“How do you like them apples” was locked and loaded and had to stay in the chamber. DamnIf MU had won, it was going to be 'Blizzard Bee-yotch'. Alas.
Were any of Buzz's teams as soft as this group?
Were any of Buzz's teams as soft as this group?
I won’t lose sleep, but it was far from max effort.
Were any of Buzz's teams as soft as this group?
Were any of Buzz's teams as soft as this group?
Were any of Buzz's teams as soft as this group?
Dumb comment. We played our asses off. We only have 1 physical guy..JLew..so the boards are going to be a problem.
Were any of Buzz's teams as soft as this group?
Why some don’t have that douche blocked is beyond me.Treat him as the unintentional comedian he is.
Mods: it’s your board to do with what you want but how you haven’t permabanned this loser is beyond me
1. MU is doing some really great things on defense. Great scout, anticipating passing lanes, anticipating off the ball movement in order to keep size down low and guards on the perimeter. Having size everywhere helps.
#nolongerworriers
ROFLMFAO
I have a football game to go watch now …
Would argue the defense in the second half was not very good. Plenty of time Friars got to the rim and plenty of times we didn't get the rebound. Gave up 40 in 2H.The Providence offense was to quit running sets and cuts and to bully their way to the basket and then attack the boards. Neutralized MU's length by making it about Providence strength and additional years in the weight room.
I take it that's a "yes."
Which year?
I take it that's a "yes."Your premise is flawed. The last thing this team is is soft. But you know that. You are simply here to celebrate a loss for the first time in a long time.
Which year?
Were any of Buzz's teams as soft as this group?
The Providence offense was to quit running sets and cuts and to bully their way to the basket and then attack the boards. Neutralized MU's length by making it about Providence strength and additional years in the weight room.
The Providence offense was to quit running sets and cuts and to bully their way to the basket and then attack the boards. Neutralized MU's length by making it about Providence strength and additional years in the weight room.
Theo John spent years in the weight room and he was a horrible rebounder.
How is the team “soft?” Can someone please explain this one? Please enlighten me what you mean by “soft.” The squad is never out of a game and just rattled off seven wins in a row. Providence has been impossible to beat this year on its home floor and just won a thriller. This comment is comical!
Dumb comment. We played our asses off. We only have 1 physical guy..JLew..so the boards are going to be a problem.
Respectable loss to a good team. Played good but not great. I’m fine with a loss here to learn from moving forward. Don’t want to fall into the peak in January trap.
Oh and NLW - Buzz isn’t gonna f**k you bro. Quit trying - it’s cringe.
LOL, I love it!Cringe
Cringe
The three main reasons we lost this one are rebounding, rebounding, and rebounding.It has nothing to do with poor shooting from three? Missing couple of bunnies might have helped.
Fairly pathetic last possession out of a TO, Shak.
I still love it.Just so cringe….
Just so cringe….
I love every minute of this...Yikes
Respectable loss to a good team. Played good but not great. I’m fine with a loss here to learn from moving forward. Don’t want to fall into the peak in January trap.
Oh and NLW - Buzz isn’t gonna f**k you bro. Quit trying - it’s cringe.
Yikes
Honestly mods, at a certain point you have to ban the troll even if they’re just going to make a new account.
There’s legitimate criticism and then there’s just being a dickhead for the sake of it.
What’s funny is that this poster’s first post was telling Rocky to go F himself.
Honestly mods, at a certain point you have to ban the troll even if they’re just going to make a new account.
There’s legitimate criticism and then there’s just being a dickhead for the sake of it.
Kolek and Morsell prayed very well.
Half this thread goes to comments on a poster.
Half the Game Thread goes to comments on the refs.
Here's a b-ball post:
Kur and Oso played 40 minutes total. Kur with one rebound, Oso with one rebound.
MU lost because of their inability to protect the defensive glass. But the fact that Watson was allowed to throw Kur to the ground on his and-one with 44 seconds left was ridiculous.
Half this thread goes to comments on a poster.
Half the Game Thread goes to comments on the refs.
Here's a b-ball post:
Kur and Oso played 40 minutes total. Kur with one rebound, Oso with one rebound.
He didn’t throw him to the ground.
Kolek and Morsell prayed very well. Lewis and the rest, not so much. So many chances to get a big rebound that we missed. Some dumb plays - like Kur giving them 2 points when he stepped into the lane early on a missed one and one. In the end, it was “Elementary, my dear Watson”.
Shaka has been great virtually all season...but he made a big mistake today keeping Kolek on the bench from 13:06 mark to the 7:17 mark. Tyler just played 27 minutes. I get that he needs rest but I'd have like to seen him play 4ish more minutes.We agree. I said that in my initial post.
On the road against a top-25 team with a chance (or 2) at the end---yes I'm disappointed, but I'm also ok. Funny what 7 straight conference wins will do because I was beside myself after Creighton.
Agreed times ten! But do you think Homer would ever notice that and question it during the post game interview? Uh, no!!!!!!!Why would you expect Homer to hit Shaka with that level of minutiae in the post game?
Shaka has been great virtually all season...but he made a big mistake today keeping Kolek on the bench from 13:06 mark to the 7:17 mark. Tyler just played 27 minutes. I get that he needs rest but I'd have like to seen him play 4ish more minutes.
Were any of Buzz's teams as soft as this group?
No bigger Buzz fan than me on this board but you’re dead wrong - this team is not the least bit soft.
Marquette was up 4 when Kolek went out during that stretch and up 2 when he subbed back in. MU was down 39-44 with Kolek on the floor all game and up 24-21 with him on the bench. Meh
What an exciting game to watch. I was on the edge of my seat throughout the whole game. I can't be more pleased with this team. We destroyed them at home and took them to the wire on their court and was just one play from winning the game. Now lets see if we can beat Nova at home and start our next run.
What an exciting game to watch. I was on the edge of my seat throughout the whole game. I can't be more pleased with this team. We destroyed them at home and took them to the wire on their court and was just one play from winning the game. Now lets see if we can beat Nova at home and start our next run.
I don't really care about those numbers. Kolek is probably our 3rd best rebounder, crazy as that is to say and he played a great game today. Toss up as to if he or JLew is the most valuable player for our team to have on the floor.
Agreed times ten! But do you think Homer would ever notice that and question it during the post game interview? Uh, no!!!!!!!Surprised Homer didn’t ask Shaka where he thinks Aaron Rogers ends up next season.
IMO, we lost this game because of poor shooting, not because of rebounding
Lot of things you can say about this team, but lack of toughness is not one of them.
We Are Marquette means we are the Toughest SOBs in the valley. Shaka has restored this!
No need to panic or even get upset. We beat them by 32 at our place. They beat us by 2 at their place. We rebound even just a couple and make just one of the no-footers we missed, and we’re celebrating a win. I’ll take our chances against Providence every single time. This Marquette team is very good and significantly better than any of us could have imagined.
I have a football game to go watch now …
No need to panic or even get upset. We beat them by 32 at our place. They beat us by 2 at their place. We rebound even just a couple and make just one of the no-footers we missed, and we’re celebrating a win. I’ll take our chances against Providence every single time. This Marquette team is very good and significantly better than any of us could have imagined.
I have a football game to go watch now …
IMO, we lost this game because of poor shooting, not because of rebounding
Okay. Your post said Shaka made a big mistake by keeping him out. The numbers show it wasn't a big mistake. You are arguing a hypothetical then that Kolek would have been better than he had been all game.
There are some people here that like to see the 30+ point shellacking we gave PC at home. I prefer the game we saw yesterday. Sure we came up short but it was a great game. How man NC championship games do you remember that were bow outs that are highlighted: very few. The games people remember are the close ones, the buzzer beaters with the last shot going in or bouncing out. We celebrate our 77 championship, but we remember Whiteheads basket at the end of the semi-final game.
Let the complainers complain. For a young team to play this competitive shows the program is in good hands, regardless if the players are 3, 4 or 5 stars. I am enjoying this season more than any over the past 7 years.
There are some people here that like to see the 30+ point shellacking we gave PC at home. I prefer the game we saw yesterday. Sure we came up short but it was a great game. How man NC championship games do you remember that were bow outs that are highlighted: very few. The games people remember are the close ones, the buzzer beaters with the last shot going in or bouncing out. We celebrate our 77 championship, but we remember Whiteheads basket at the end of the semi-final game.
Let the complainers complain. For a young team to play this competitive shows the program is in good hands, regardless if the players are 3, 4 or 5 stars. I am enjoying this season more than any over the past 7 years.
I'm not jumping off a cliff based on yesterday's loss, but this is a strange take. I would ALWAYS take a curb stomp win as opposed to a close loss over the same team. I would always take any win over any loss.100%. Win…win bigly, every night out. Put fear in the heart of the opponent from the time the schedule is released.
There are some people here that like to see the 30+ point shellacking we gave PC at home. I prefer the game we saw yesterday.Yeah, no, give me the dumptrucking win over the close loss 100 times out of 100.
I think it's worth noting that MU has been in a position to win all 11 of their BEast games. This is a much more well rounded and solid overall roster than I had anticipated . We have all mentioned some of our deficiencies but we can absolutely compete against the top teams in the country. Let's take care of business Wednesday and move on to better things from there.
Here we go again with the "numbers." Much like when you argued earlier this season that Wojo's first team was better offensively than this team based on numbers at that time - anyone who knows basketball knew this team was more talented/better offensively. Just as anyone who knows basketball knows the team is better with Kolek on the floor, and particularly on a day with zero tournvoers, 5 rebounds, 13 points on a 124 O-Rating. He created good looks again for others but today they didn't hit them.
Maybe you're just trying to be obtuse, because in my experience here you do know a lot about basketball and have good takes. Just think you are way off on these two instances.
Numbers like the score? Kolek went out with MU in the lead and came back in the lead, which MU then lost when he returned. Yet, you called out Shaka for his bad mistake for sitting him. I am not knocking Kolek, PC earned the victory. I am knocking your take that Shaka made a bad mistake for sitting him an extra minute waiting for the media time out.
Numbers like the score? Kolek went out with MU in the lead and came back in the lead, which MU then lost when he returned. Yet, you called out Shaka for his bad mistake for sitting him. I am not knocking Kolek, PC earned the victory. I am knocking your take that Shaka made a bad mistake for sitting him an extra minute waiting for the media time out.
As to MU’s offense AT THAT TIME when I posted, as I have stated numerous times, it was statistically worse per Pomeroy than Wojo’s first team. It was playing too fast for the talent. And has been documented on other MU blog sites, MU has since slowed it down and improved. Kudos.
If Marquette had PC's luck, we'd be undefeated in league play. 1-2 more shots that were in and out drop in the first half yesterday, we foul against Creighton, or score on the possessions where we got within 1 with the ball against both Xavier and UConn and who knows where we could be. But this is still way ahead of schedule and honestly, I think we are probably the most likely Big East team to make a deep tourney run, outside maybe Villanova. Our defense is good enough that we can be in position to win even when the shots aren't falling. This feels like a second weekend team.
There are some people here that like to see the 30+ point shellacking we gave PC at home. I prefer the game we saw yesterday. Sure we came up short but it was a great game. How man NC championship games do you remember that were bow outs that are highlighted: very few. The games people remember are the close ones, the buzzer beaters with the last shot going in or bouncing out.
Numbers like the score? Kolek went out with MU in the lead and came back in the lead, which MU then lost when he returned. Yet, you called out Shaka for his bad mistake for sitting him. I am not knocking Kolek, PC earned the victory. I am knocking your take that Shaka made a bad mistake for sitting him an extra minute waiting for the media time out.
End of the day, do you believe our team is better when Kolek is on the floor or off?
I believe our coach has an excellent feel for which players to use and when, which is one reason we were the hottest team in the country.
I also believe you have the right to criticize the coach -- just as I have for our poor plays at the end of the half and the game (the latter of which was too darn much Kolek dribbling to nowhere).
Just realize that what you're saying is an opinion, not a fact. Maybe if Kolek plays another 6 minutes, he bricks 3 shots and commits 3 live-ball turnovers. We just don't know.
For myself, I'm fine with Kolek's PT yesterday. Given the way both he and Morsell played throughout the game, I'd have put the ball in Morsell's hands on the final play instead of having him stand in the far corner doing nothing.
But I also realize that I don't have any more proof that Morsell having the ball there would have led to victory than you have of Kolek playing more leading to victory.
I agree that Shaka has been great all year on substitutions, rotation, etc. Just felt he kept him on the bench too long yesterday.
I also agree that it probably would have been better to put the ball in Morsell's hands on the final possession, yet Shaka clearly feels Kolek is a playmaker and could either collapse D and kick to an open shooter or possibly get all the way to the rack and score on his own. It's possible the thought was that they'd be able to create an open 3 and shoot for the win...
I believe our coach has an excellent feel for which players to use and when, which is one reason we were the hottest team in the country.Greg started in that corner, then he left that corner. When TKo stopped, he looked to that corner like he thought someone would be there. Ah, well. Get back on the horse Wednesday.
I also believe you have the right to criticize the coach -- just as I have for our poor plays at the end of the half and the game (the latter of which was too darn much Kolek dribbling to nowhere).
Just realize that what you're saying is an opinion, not a fact. Maybe if Kolek plays another 6 minutes, he bricks 3 shots and commits 3 live-ball turnovers. We just don't know.
For myself, I'm fine with Kolek's PT yesterday. Given the way both he and Morsell played throughout the game, I'd have put the ball in Morsell's hands on the final play instead of having him stand in the far corner doing nothing.
But I also realize that I don't have any more proof that Morsell having the ball there would have led to victory than you have of Kolek playing more leading to victory.
He didn’t throw him to the ground.http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=33180342 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=33180342)
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=33180342 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=33180342)
Kur was backing up, Watson went to the side and made a little swim move. Not a foul.Agreed, but if that was Theo instead of Watson, a foul probably would have been called.
I agree that Shaka has been great all year on substitutions, rotation, etc. Just felt he kept him on the bench too long yesterday.
I also agree that it probably would have been better to put the ball in Morsell's hands on the final possession, yet Shaka clearly feels Kolek is a playmaker and could either collapse D and kick to an open shooter or possibly get all the way to the rack and score on his own. It's possible the thought was that they'd be able to create an open 3 and shoot for the win...
Agreed, but if that was Theo instead of Watson, a foul probably would have been called.
Definitely felt like Greg ran the wrong way on that last play. Someone messed up somewhere because that was clearly not the play they meant to run.
I'm going to respectfully disagree with you for the simple reason that teams are going to have bad shooting games. Keep in mind Providence shot like 38% and 8-26 from distance. Where they killed us was 2nd chance points. I think they scored 23 on the offensive glass. We have to find a way to get better in this area.
On the final play, pretty sure Greg was supposed to be in the corner. No way he and Justin were supposed to go to the same spot, and Morsell was in the opposite corner if Tyler had been able to make the turn. Just an offensive miscue.
Shaka called timeout to sub in offense. Greg and Kam came in, Kur and OMP went out.Shaka in post radio interview said the play was designed to have help come down low when Kolek penetrated so he could pass to an open shooter, but he said Cooley made the right decision no help no collapsing inside.
Shaka called timeout to sub in offense. Greg and Kam came in, Kur and OMP went out.Agree.
Shaka in post radio interview said the play was designed to have help come down low when Kolek penetrated so he could pass to an open shooter, but he said Cooley made the right decision no help no collapsing inside.
Also of note, after Horchler hit a FT to make it a 2-point game with 20.7 seconds left, Kolek took his time and strolled up the court as if he didn't have a care in the world. Shaka was desperately signaling for him to dribble toward the bench so he could call the time-out and have an inbounds play from the spot he wanted. That should have been communicated before the FT even was taken. Kolek could have saved at least 3 seconds if he had just quickly gone where he was supposed to.
Yes, agree, and I just said that. But had he stayed in the corner it wouldn't have changed anything IMHO. His defender #10, was right on top of him. Greg moved to try to get open.
You're probably right, but if there's a cleaner cut for Lewis without another defender being dragged into it, maybe that's an option for Ty.
I feel like this game showed how much of an X-Factor Justin Lewis really is. Also could see teams focusing a lot on shutting him down so we need a second player to step up. And in this game Kolek stepped up and Darryl played decent, but sometimes he gets to caught up in the refs. But when JLew is shut down we really need Darryl to step up and play well.
I was calling for Morsell to trigger the play from the middle of the floor, but maybe that wouldn't have worked, either.