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Quote from: sportprof101 on January 05, 2022, 09:47:28 AM
Hey Marquette Fans,
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Marquette basketball only has one rival and that rival is Scoop
Interesting exercise. Here's how I allocated:
1) Wisconsin, 40 points
2) Notre Dame, 20 points
3) Seton Hall, 10 points
4) Creighton, 10 points
5) DePaul, 5 points
6) Louisville, 5 points
7) Cincinnati, 3 points
8) Butler, 3 points
9) Xavier, 3 points
10) Providence, 1 point
I could see arguments for Detroit or Loyola, but I think those rivalries are pretty dead. Could argue any other Big East teams, but I didn't feel like those were super-significant. Maybe Memphis or Dayton, but those aren't played regularly enough anymore.
If I walk into a bar and end up talking with a rival fan and we both just agree on how much we hate each other, how much we respect each other and how much we understand each other...it's gonna be Lousiville.
We're basketball centric programs in large cities with a big brother in state that looks down on us.
No rivalry felt as right as Louisville.
They probably claim UK is bigger, just as we would claim Wisconsin. But deep down we know we're meant for each other.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 05, 2022, 10:45:11 AM
Interesting exercise. Here's how I allocated:
1) Wisconsin, 40 points
2) Notre Dame, 20 points
3) Seton Hall, 10 points
4) Creighton, 10 points
5) DePaul, 5 points
6) Louisville, 5 points
7) Cincinnati, 3 points
8) Butler, 3 points
9) Xavier, 3 points
10) Providence, 1 point
I could see arguments for Detroit or Loyola, but I think those rivalries are pretty dead. Could argue any other Big East teams, but I didn't feel like those were super-significant. Maybe Memphis or Dayton, but those aren't played regularly enough anymore.
I'd say that depauls rivalry is completely dead. Their lack of support for the team, and the team being trash for the past 40 years makes that a useless one.
Notre dame has got to be close to dying since we never play anymore.
Quote from: #UnleashKolek on January 05, 2022, 11:12:12 AM
I'd say that depauls rivalry is completely dead. Their lack of support for the team, and the team being trash for the past 40 years makes that a useless one.
Notre dame has got to be close to dying since we never play anymore.
If we owned DePaul the past decade, I'd agree, but they seem to keep beating us from time to time and always let us know loudly when it happens. It isn't the rivalry it once was, but there's still something to it.
As far as ND, that is probably one more for the past fans, but who is bigger currently? Especially with us renewing the series next year. The Big East rivals just feel too new to have the same rivalry and animosity that ND still stirs up, especially among old-timers.
I do agree with Lens that Louisville is a perfect fit for that rival, but we just don't see them enough anymore. Even if it produced some of the best rival moments for both fanbases in the past 20-30 years.
Wisconsin 50
Notre Dame 20
Louisville 10
Seton Hall 10
Cincy 5
DePaul 5
Wisconsin 75
Notre Dame 15
Louisville 10
I missed them, but Seton Hall does deserve a place at the table.
As a Marquette fan since '97 and someone who lived in Louisville from '02-'06, I completely agree with this. I miss the rivalry.
https://www.cardchronicle.com/2012/1/16/2710357/ten-most-memorable-louisville-vs-marquette-games-rivalry-cardinals-knowles-jerry-smith
Quote from: The Lens on January 05, 2022, 10:59:50 AM
If I walk into a bar and end up talking with a rival fan and we both just agree on how much we hate each other, how much we respect each other and how much we understand each other...it's gonna be Lousiville.
We're basketball centric programs in large cities with a big brother in state that looks down on us.
No rivalry felt as right as Louisville.
They probably claim UK is bigger, just as we would claim Wisconsin. But deep down we know we're meant for each other.
Quote from: MauraDay on January 05, 2022, 11:32:31 AM
As a Marquette fan since '97 and someone who lived in Louisville from '02-'06, I completely agree with this. I miss the rivalry.
https://www.cardchronicle.com/2012/1/16/2710357/ten-most-memorable-louisville-vs-marquette-games-rivalry-cardinals-knowles-jerry-smith
Thank you for that link.
I had Wisconsin number one and then all the other Big East Schools except DePaul to round out the 10 gave all equal weighting. Those are the teams we battle year in and year out.
Didn't put ND and Louisville, because we really don't play them much any more. They would definitely be rivals if they were consistently on our schedule.
Crean sucks
Quote from: The Lens on January 05, 2022, 10:59:50 AM
If I walk into a bar and end up talking with a rival fan and we both just agree on how much we hate each other, how much we respect each other and how much we understand each other...it's gonna be Lousiville.
We're basketball centric programs in large cities with a big brother in state that looks down on us.
No rivalry felt as right as Louisville.
They probably claim UK is bigger, just as we would claim Wisconsin. But deep down we know we're meant for each other.
Louisville never really gave a damn about us as a "rival." We had great games against them but it wasn't any more "rivalry" than other CUSA teams, we were competitors with them.
Wisconsin
DePaul
Notre Dame
I got to know a lot of Louisville fans through a Louisville transplant living in MKE. Met a dozen or so diehards who would pilgrimage up here for games.
MU was their #1 in conference
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 05, 2022, 12:04:17 PM
Crean sucks
He lost by 2 to the Texan last night and Buzz is all over Twitter talking about how great of a start A&M is having after his typical bounty soft OOC scheduling
Pitt and WVU used to be in the discussion. WVU fans were sentimental in SC. Pitt sucks at basketball now and WVU basketball feels orphaned in the B12.
Quote from: The Lens on January 05, 2022, 12:16:16 PM
I got to know a lot of Louisville fans through a Louisville transplant living in MKE. Met a dozen or so diehards who would pilgrimage up here for games.
MU was their #1 in conference
I had a project in Lulvul while we were in the Big East together. We were definitely on their hate list as it related to the conference. Now that we are no longer in conference I imagine that they don't think about us much anymore.
Yeah, the Louisville rival was absolutely mutual when we were playing every season. I really miss playing them. Cincinnati too, for that matter. Grew a begrudging and deeply ambivalent respect for Bob Huggins' teams from those games during the 2000-2003 years.
I'd personally love a non conference series with either UL or UC on the schedule.
I was in Atlanta last week the day before the Peach Bowl. Seeing all the people in Pitt gear still made my stomach turn a little bit. That was a pretty decent rivalry back then too.
I had to put Cinci in mine
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 05, 2022, 11:29:05 AM
Wisconsin 50
Notre Dame 20
Louisville 10
Seton Hall 10
Cincy 5
DePaul 5
That's pretty close to mine, but I excluded SHU and Cincy. I had:
UW 40
ND 30
UL 15
DPU 15
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on January 05, 2022, 01:17:08 PM
I had to put Cinci in mine
I get the Cinci thing but to me it was Huggins. He transfered to West Va and that followed. Cinci never rose to their prior levels rivalry wise when Mick was in charge.
Quote from: The Lens on January 05, 2022, 01:29:38 PM
I get the Cinci thing but to me it was Huggins. He transfered to West Va and that followed. Cinci never rose to their prior levels rivalry wise when Mick was in charge.
Same here. Our rivalry with UL transcended Crum, Pitino, etc, but for me the UC rivalry was mostly about Huggy.
Based it on when I was a student:
Wisconsin: 30
ND: 30
DePaul:20 (had a personal stake back then)
Cincinnati: 10
Louisville: 10
I went:
Wisconsin 60
Notre Dame 20
DePaul 10
Seton Hall 4
Creighton 2
Providence 2
Louisville 1
Cinci 1
Back when we were playing ND, Louisville, and Cincy on the regular it would have looked a lot differently but all three took major hits when the BEast split. DePaul is mostly based on longevity and how infuriating it is when we lose to them. I picked Seton Hall, Creighton, and Providence as the fledgling rivalries because we always seem to play tough, contested games against them, and weird sh*t always happens vs. Creighton and Providence.
I gave Wisconsin 40 points and Villanova 25 points.
Everything else was ancient or minimal and included Notre Dame, Providence, West Virginia (love ya Huggie), DePaul (think of them the way Wisconsin thinks of us), Louisville, Kentucky (dates to Al and DWade) and Dayton for a point (we hated them way back when...)
Villanova has been a big game for us and we've had some incredible moments against them. Yeah, they're not Notre Dame and Louisville in hatred, but we have not played those guys in years.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 05, 2022, 02:41:57 PM
I gave Wisconsin 40 points and Villanova 25 points.
Everything else was ancient or minimal and included Notre Dame, Providence, West Virginia (love ya Huggie), DePaul (think of them the way Wisconsin thinks of us), Louisville, Kentucky (dates to Al and DWade) and Dayton for a point (we hated them way back when...)
Villanova has been a big game for us and we've had some incredible moments against them. Yeah, they're not Notre Dame and Louisville in hatred, but we have not played those guys in years.
I think you and I might have been the only two too realistically put in Nova. This unfortunately goes to show, after the old Big east rupture Marquette really only has a single rival they consistently play.
Wisconsin Wisconsin Wisconsin and...Wisconsin
-Better Dead, Than RED
Wisconsin - 20
DePaul - 10
Butler - 10
Xavier - 10
Notre Dame - 10
Louisville - 10
Cincinnati - 10
Villanova - 10
Seton Hall - 10
UConn - 10
I don't live in Wisconsin, but I recognize they are our top rival these days. I really miss Louisville, Cincy and ND. I think if DePaul ever turns it around they will quickly become our biggest rival, in conference, anyway.
I ranked the teams based on how insufferable their fan base is.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 05, 2022, 02:41:57 PM
I gave Wisconsin 40 points and Villanova 25 points.
Everything else was ancient or minimal and included Notre Dame, Providence, West Virginia (love ya Huggie), DePaul (think of them the way Wisconsin thinks of us), Louisville, Kentucky (dates to Al and DWade) and Dayton for a point (we hated them way back when...)
Villanova has been a big game for us and we've had some incredible moments against them. Yeah, they're not Notre Dame and Louisville in hatred, but we have not played those guys in years.
We're playing Notre Dame next year.
We last played Louisville in the 2018-19 season. Not like it was that long ago.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 05, 2022, 03:08:44 PM
I ranked the teams based on how insufferable their fan base is.
So we're like our own rivals then???
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Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 05, 2022, 03:14:23 PM
So we're like our own rivals then???
We're sufferable, or Scoop wouldn't have lasted 15 years!
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 05, 2022, 03:08:44 PM
I ranked the teams based on how insufferable their fan base is.
They don't allow enough votes to do that for ND or Wisconsin
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 05, 2022, 03:08:44 PM
I ranked the teams based on how insufferable their fan base is.
100 on ND, eh?
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 05, 2022, 03:36:29 PM
We're sufferable, or Scoop wouldn't have lasted 15 years!
Scoop is in drivers ed? F me.
Quote from: #UnleashKolek on January 05, 2022, 02:43:57 PM
I think you and I might have been the only two too realistically put in Nova. This unfortunately goes to show, after the old Big east rupture Marquette really only has a single rival they consistently play.
I hung 25 on Nova too
As someone who suffered through the early MCC days, I'm just glad that nobody is voting for Evansville.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 05, 2022, 04:21:53 PM
As someone who suffered through the early MCC days, I'm just glad that nobody is voting for Evansville.
That league and those teams. Grrrrr
I'd say our only true rivalry is Wisconsin. For a rivalry to take place, both sides need to consider it one. UW fans love to beat MU and vice versa. I'm not sure any other fan base in the Big East considers Marquette to be a rival.
We did have one with Cincinnati and Louisville in CUSA, but those days are long gone.
As for Notre Dame, they long ago stopped considering Marquette to be a rival. Since the 70's the series was pretty one-sided in ND's favor. I went to a game there in 1988 and there hundreds of tickets lying on the ground outside the Joyce Center for people to claim and the place was half empty on a Saturday afternoon.
Quote from: Norm on January 05, 2022, 04:46:28 PM
I'd say our only true rivalry is Wisconsin. For a rivalry to take place, both sides need to consider it one. UW fans love to beat MU and vice versa. I'm not sure any other fan base in the Big East considers Marquette to be a rival.
We did have one with Cincinnati and Louisville in CUSA, but those days are long gone.
As for Notre Dame, they long ago stopped considering Marquette to be a rival. Since the 70's the series was pretty one-sided in ND's favor. I went to a game there in 1988 and there hundreds of tickets lying on the ground outside the Joyce Center for people to claim and the place was half empty on a Saturday afternoon.
That was probably true in 1988 but since then we had two solid renaissances of basketball I've been to two MU games there and there wasn't an empty seat in the place
I went:
Wisconsin - 60
DePaul - 20
Notre Dame - 10
Xavier - 5
Milwaukee - 5
The Xavier and UWM points are mostly because I think those have the most likelihood to evolving into more of a rivalry.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 05, 2022, 03:36:29 PM
We're sufferable, or Scoop wouldn't have lasted 15 years!
I think Wojo and Scholl differed with you in their presser following the Hausers departure when they were obviously pissed about criticism. Pretty sure Scoop was the "noise" they kept referring to repeatedly while trying to sell whoever would listen to them that all was just fine with the program. Imagine anyone calling us noise. The nerve! Insufferable is a classier description than "noise".
60 Wisconsin
40 seton hall cause I fn hate their fans.
Quote from: fjm on January 05, 2022, 07:10:59 PM
60 Wisconsin
40 seton hall cause I fn hate their fans.
Pretty much this. Although I'd probably go 30 SHU, 5 Butler, 5 Creighton for the same reasons as SHU.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 05, 2022, 06:54:34 PM
I think Wojo and Scholl differed with you in their presser following the Hausers departure when they were obviously pissed about criticism. Pretty sure Scoop was the "noise" they kept referring to repeatedly while trying to sell whoever would listen to them that all was just fine with the program. Imagine anyone calling us noise. The nerve! Insufferable is a classier description than "noise".
So you're saying if it weren't for MUScoop, Wojo would still be the coach!
Blessed be the fruit.
Quote from: fjm on January 05, 2022, 07:10:59 PM
60 Wisconsin
40 seton hall cause I fn hate their fans.
I would agree with this as it currently stands. Wisconsin will always be a natural rival for us, but it's pretty tame and friendly relative to other rivalries. Many fans are indifferent about UW/MU or even like the other school when they aren't playing each other. We also don't really cross paths in recruiting all that much either.
Seton Hall is another temporary good conference rival (like Pitt, Louisville, etc). Run this poll again in 10 years and they likely won't be on here. I've spent a lot of time the last few years in NYC and always try and catch the MU games. When they play Seton Hall, their fans are the most obnoxious and malevolent of them all. I still really wish Markus would have made that shot at the buzzer in the BET against them a few years back. My calendar is circled for that one next Saturday. We've lost about 5 in a row and it's time that changes.
A lot of people say Notre Dame, but I think that one is just before my time. That game never even did anything for me when we were in the "old" Big East. Aside from the fact it was a high major conference opponent obviously.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 06, 2022, 09:04:14 AM
I would agree with this as it currently stands. Wisconsin will always be a natural rival for us, but it's pretty tame and friendly relative to other rivalries. Many fans are indifferent about UW/MU or even like the other school when they aren't playing each other. We also don't really cross paths in recruiting all that much either.
Seton Hall is another temporary good conference rival (like Pitt, Louisville, etc). Run this poll again in 10 years and they likely won't be on here. I've spent a lot of time the last few years in NYC and always try and catch the MU games. When they play Seton Hall, their fans are the most obnoxious and malevolent of them all. I still really wish Markus would have made that shot at the buzzer in the BET against them a few years back. My calendar is circled for that one next Saturday. We've lost about 5 in a row and it's time that changes.
A lot of people say Notre Dame, but I think that one is just before my time. That game never even did anything for me when we were in the "old" Big East. Aside from the fact it was a high major conference opponent obviously.
I feel like a lot of ND people had MU as a backup school and a lot of MU kids had applied to ND (some accepted & some rejected), add that to the general entitlement of their fan base that they are expected to win, the fact that their the only Catholic school since Georgetown in the 80s that has a massive non affiliated fanbase, and that they're generally snobby people then it becomes a pretty big rivalry. Then add how many times we've played them which (in 2013) was only behind WI as the most played series. Then there's the similar colors which just bugs me.
It'd be hard for me not to include WVU at least in some capacity. Huggy's still there and they always had the worst fans IMO, probably down to the fact that the only Beast tourney I've been to was the year Jay won POTY, and WVU fans wouldn't shut up about it.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 06, 2022, 09:33:57 AM
I feel like a lot of ND people had MU as a backup school
I had ND as a backup school. Eff ND.
Can't wait till we beat 'em next season, and beat 'em again the following year. And then hopefully Brey or whoever is in charge then won't be too wussy to keep the series going.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 06, 2022, 08:48:29 AM
So you're saying if it weren't for MUScoop, Wojo would still be the coach!
Blessed be the fruit.
This should have been in teal, right? Not saying that
at all. Simply a case of Wojo and Scholl trying to shift the blame for the fiasco (not that the blame was Scholl's at all to begin with) from Wojo being exposed for what he was and wallpapering over the cracks in the foundation. Scoop was their punching bag.
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2022, 09:45:30 AM
I had ND as a backup school. Eff ND.
Can't wait till we beat 'em next season, and beat 'em again the following year. And then hopefully Brey or whoever is in charge then won't be too wussy to keep the series going.
That's why I didn't write a lot of MU people were rejected by ND. I feel like MU people mostly wanted a city, jesuit stuff, yadda yadda. Though I did know a couple people who went to MU purely to up the GPA to transfer to ND and a few more who went to MU and yet still would root for ND over MU on game day.
I was accepted at ND and Michigan. I chose MU.
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2022, 10:25:03 AM
I was accepted at ND and Michigan. I chose MU.
Didn't want to exceed expectations eh?
I have always reacted negatively to elitist arrogance. My campus visits to ND and UM were hosted people who represent the worst of their universities. Elitist. Arrogant. My visit to MU involved a floor party.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 06, 2022, 10:23:23 AM
That's why I didn't write a lot of MU people were rejected by ND. I feel like MU people mostly wanted a city, jesuit stuff, yadda yadda. Though I did know a couple people who went to MU purely to up the GPA to transfer to ND and a few more who went to MU and yet still would root for ND over MU on game day.
I actually didn't apply to ND, I was just jokin'. But I did choose MU because I wanted to be in a real city that had pro sports and other stuff I liked.
One of my friends freshman year did transfer to ND, and a couple of us went to visit him the next year; they party pretty good, too (or at least did back then). Reinforced my belief that EVERY school is a party school.
I didn't know anybody at MU who publicly cheered for ND over MU, but I wouldn't be surprised if what you said was true. The ba$tards.
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2022, 11:17:24 AM
I actually didn't apply to ND, I was just jokin'. But I did choose MU because I wanted to be in a real city that had pro sports and other stuff I liked.
One of my friends freshman year did transfer to ND, and a couple of us went to visit him the next year; they party pretty good, too (or at least did back then). Reinforced my belief that EVERY school is a party school.
I didn't know anybody at MU who publicly cheered for ND over MU, but I wouldn't be surprised if what you said was true. The ba$tards.
I could be wrong but if I recall correctly Heisenberg on here does
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 06, 2022, 11:20:42 AM
I could be wrong but if I recall correctly Heisenberg on here does
I knew a lot of Warriors who cheered for ND in football (and Madison too), but none who cheered for 'em in basketball.
Hope that's not true about Smuggles, but he did say to sell AAPL about 1,000% ago, so who knows?
Wisconsin 35
Notre Dame 24
Louisville 22
DePaul 18
UW-Milwaukee 1
My comments below the scoring: "Marquette's conference history (none for many years, then in different conferences, then too much conference realignment) impacts its rivalries. That's most notable now the MU doesn't play Notre Dame and Louisville much any more.
Is it a rivalry (with UW-Milwaukee) if one team has not won a single game?! MU is 39-0 against Milwaukee."
Quote from: mug644 on January 06, 2022, 01:51:50 PMIs it a rivalry (with UW-Milwaukee) if one team has not won a single game?! MU is 39-0 against Milwaukee."
I considered UW-Milwaukee and left them off in part because we don't play them that often of late and also because of the incredibly lopsided record disparity.
This exercise made me sad & nostalgic because we only play one of these teams regularly. Clearly you can tell I'm a graduate of the 00s:
Wisconsin 40
Louisville 20
Cincinnati 20
Notre Dame 20
While I had Wisconsin as far and away our biggest rival, I think I would still rather win a Big East game than the game against them. I feel like a conference win is more important at the end of the year even though a win over Wisconsin is considered a good win.
No game on the current schedule gets me more excited than Wisconsin. Conference games are great but there's always another one is 4 days. You only play Bucky once a year. That makes it special.
And in the NBE the "rivals" vary by year. The closest seemed to be Seton Hall with Markus and Powell. My biggest pet peeve with the NBE is everyone loves each other. I was excited when DePaul's AD went rogue about the forfeit policy. Often times it's just a lovefest.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 06, 2022, 09:04:14 AM
I would agree with this as it currently stands. Wisconsin will always be a natural rival for us, but it's pretty tame and friendly relative to other rivalries. Many fans are indifferent about UW/MU or even like the other school when they aren't playing each other. We also don't really cross paths in recruiting all that much either.
A lot of people say Notre Dame, but I think that one is just before my time. That game never even did anything for me when we were in the "old" Big East. Aside from the fact it was a high major conference opponent obviously.
for me, the key to a true rivalry is the intermingling of the fan base and student body. At MU we all grew up with a lot of classmates who went to or were fans of ND, Madison, and DePaul. You also have people from those schools who also applied to MU, or were rejected by MU (DePaul). And yes, there are MU students/grads who were rejected at ND for one reason or another. Are there bragging rights tied to the game with friends, family, or coworkers?
I don't know anyone who actually went to Louisville or Seton Hall (are they actual schools that hold classes?) so those games, other than being competitive games, haven't meant more to me personally than most others on the conference schedule.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 06, 2022, 04:39:35 PM
While I had Wisconsin as far and away our biggest rival, I think I would still rather win a Big East game than the game against them. I feel like a conference win is more important at the end of the year even though a win over Wisconsin is considered a good win.
do you live in WI? I have MU classmates that live in NY, Philly, NCarolina. They don't understand the WI hate. They don't live in WI, and in our day, RED sucked. Now? RED fan base is like lava. They overwhelm. No escape. Last season was rough for MU...except we beat RED!
Quote from: The Lens on January 06, 2022, 04:52:41 PM
My biggest pet peeve with the NBE is everyone loves each other. I was excited when DePaul's AD went rogue about the forfeit policy. Often times it's just a lovefest.
I mentioned this in the survey. I felt like the rivalries were more fierce in the old Big East. I think it would help if we had multiple teams winning the league and competing for it regularly.
Quote from: DienerTime34 on January 06, 2022, 02:18:19 PM
This exercise made me sad & nostalgic because we only play one of these teams regularly. Clearly you can tell I'm a graduate of the 00s:
Wisconsin 40
Louisville 20
Cincinnati 20
Notre Dame 20
If we had done the survey while I was in school, it would have been:
Notre Dame 50
DePaul 20
Louisville 15
Wisconsin 10
Loyola 2
Detroit 2
Kentucky 1
We played Notre Dame annually and it was quite a rivalry. Same for DePaul and Louisville.
From the Hughes game until the meltdown, we never lost to Wisconsin. Ever. They were a nobody.
Kentucky is on the list because of the rivalry between Al and the Bigot.
UW 35
DP 25
ND, SH 10
UL, Butler, Vill, X 5
Still feel some rivalries with the old independents even though haven't played many in a long time. Need these BE ones to percolate a little more like SH has.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 06, 2022, 10:33:41 PM
Need these BE ones to percolate a little more like SH has.
https://twitter.com/MUOverload/status/1233429151379423237?s=20
https://twitter.com/MUOverload/status/1339631446663815168?s=20
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Does any team/school/student body consider Marquette to be their rival?
When it was Al and Digger, and for a few years (maybe even a decade or so) after that, ND definitely considered us their rival. Obviously, they've moved on, and so have we.
Wisconsin? Some there might begrudgingly consider us a rival, but not "the" rival.
One of the cool things if we actually get really, really good again is that a couple/few schools will hate our arses.
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2022, 10:46:14 PM
Does any team/school/student body consider Marquette to be their rival?
When it was Al and Digger, and for a few years (maybe even a decade or so) after that, ND definitely considered us their rival. Obviously, they've moved on, and so have we.
Wisconsin? Some there might begrudgingly consider us a rival, but not "the" rival.
One of the cool things if we actually get really, really good again is that a couple/few schools will hate our arses.
DePaul.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 07, 2022, 01:24:51 AM
DePaul.
Could be. It would make sense.
We had some great games with DePaul when I was at MU -- Aguirre & Co. had ushered in a renaissance at DePaul. It would be great if both programs got off the schneid and went at it again as rivals battling for something worthwhile.
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2022, 10:46:14 PM
Does any team/school/student body consider Marquette to be their rival?
When it was Al and Digger, and for a few years (maybe even a decade or so) after that, ND definitely considered us their rival. Obviously, they've moved on, and so have we.
Wisconsin? Some there might begrudgingly consider us a rival, but not "the" rival.
One of the cool things if we actually get really, really good again is that a couple/few schools will hate our arses.
Dayton probably still has some delusions about rivalries with all the Midwest catholic schools
I think DePaul and Marquette would definitely have considered one another top rivals in the 70s and early 80s. It's really cooled off though.
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2022, 10:46:14 PMDoes any team/school/student body consider Marquette to be their rival?
UW-Madison doesn't want us to be their biggest rival, but who else is there that would consider them a rival? Indiana and Purdue have each other? Ohio State and Michigan State both look at Michigan first. For Iowa, Cy-Hawk will always be bigger. So who does that leave? Minnesota? I suppose, but like Marquette, it's not the rival UW wants.
It's us, whether they want to admit it or not. And in the last 20 years, UW is 27-8 against Minnesota and 10-10 against us. Is it a rivalry when you win 77% of the time?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 07, 2022, 08:06:08 AM
Dayton probably still has some delusions about rivalries with all the Midwest catholic schools
Based on the number of comments about Dayton posted on this board, one could argue they're probably our third biggest rival (after Wisconsin and Notre Dame).
The hate is still strong nearly 14 years removed from the last meeting.
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 07, 2022, 08:49:15 AM
Based on the number of comments about Dayton posted on this board, one could argue they're probably our third biggest rival (after Wisconsin and Notre Dame).
The hate is still strong nearly 14 years removed from the last meeting.
Have to wonder, if we'd won that game in 08 and/or UDpride never came on here to troll, would there be nearly as much disdain for them? I'm not sure I'd have given them a second thought.
Wisconsin 65 (the ONLY current non conference rival, and it is not up for debate)
Big East:
St. John's 0
Providence 10 (this stands out for me-lots of good games, competing for similar upper middle class of BE)
Villanova 5 (we think they are a rival; they do not)
Creighton 5 (see Providence and the number of close, fun games merits rivalry status)
Xavier 5 (dislike helps this one)
Connecticut 0 (not yet)
Butler 0 (meh)
Georgetown 0 (don't feel it; and they certainly don't)
Seton Hall 5 (dislike helps this one)
DePaul 5 (should be bigger, but it just doesn't feel that way)
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 07, 2022, 08:34:15 AM
UW-Madison doesn't want us to be their biggest rival, but who else is there that would consider them a rival? Indiana and Purdue have each other? Ohio State and Michigan State both look at Michigan first. For Iowa, Cy-Hawk will always be bigger. So who does that leave? Minnesota? I suppose, but like Marquette, it's not the rival UW wants.
It's us, whether they want to admit it or not. And in the last 20 years, UW is 27-8 against Minnesota and 10-10 against us. Is it a rivalry when you win 77% of the time?
Yeah! They're stuck with us ... and with the knowledge that they lost 4 of 7 to The Worst Coach In Basketball History!!
Seriously, brew, good points.
For me, I reluctantly moved Madison ahead of ND a few years ago simply because we play one and not the other ... but with ND back on the schedule for the next two years, I'll probably reverse that again. I plan on doing whatever I can to get to the ND game in Milwaukee next season, so Shaka better have our heroes ready!!!
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 07, 2022, 08:34:15 AM
UW-Madison doesn't want us to be their biggest rival, but who else is there that would consider them a rival? Indiana and Purdue have each other? Ohio State and Michigan State both look at Michigan first. For Iowa, Cy-Hawk will always be bigger. So who does that leave? Minnesota? I suppose, but like Marquette, it's not the rival UW wants.
It's us, whether they want to admit it or not. And in the last 20 years, UW is 27-8 against Minnesota and 10-10 against us. Is it a rivalry when you win 77% of the time?
for Wisconsin? Obviously Harvard, since all of their students turned down the Crimson to go to Madison.
Yes, it still is a rivalry, since it's still a game that gets circled on the schedule, is for bragging rights, and they're extra pissed off if they lose, kind of us like us with DePaul. Losing to Butler or Villanova is one thing, this place melts down when we lose to DePaul. Bucky fans only denly we're a rival out of arrogance and to needle us. They know we are.
Wisconsin doesn't have rivals. Everyone wants to be them and the fans are too classy to hate another team or school. They mostly pity other schools
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 07, 2022, 11:18:46 AM
Losing to Butler or Villanova is one thing, this place melts down when we lose to DePaul.
Does Scoop melt down because it's our archrival DePaul ... or because DePaul has sucked for years and years and years, and any loss to a sucky program is automatically a bad loss?
When we lost to DePaul in 2016, this place did melt down ... but it was because we all knew that a loss to that sh!t team was gonna kill us when it came to Selection Sunday. As it did.
And after we lost to DePaul last year, I said Wojo should be fired -- right then and there, during the season. It wasn't because it was DePaul, it was because we needed to win but we instead lost to the worst team in the Big East. Again.
Quote from: mug644 on January 06, 2022, 01:51:50 PM
Wisconsin 35
Notre Dame 24
Louisville 22
DePaul 18
UW-Milwaukee 1
My comments below the scoring: "Marquette's conference history (none for many years, then in different conferences, then too much conference realignment) impacts its rivalries. That's most notable now the MU doesn't play Notre Dame and Louisville much any more.
Is it a rivalry (with UW-Milwaukee) if one team has not won a single game?! MU is 39-0 against Milwaukee."
Can I change my votes? I'd like to give Seton Hall 25, taking them equally from ND and Louisville.
They've become quite hated around here, partly because of Willard and partly the tight games. But mostly because there seems to always be "villains" on their side that match up with "our heroes". Powell-Markus, Delgado-Theo. Today was Aiken-Morsell.
Fun, intense games. It will be a real battle at their place.