Really need to play well on Friday. Hopefully a ton of energy in the building. A win Friday puts us in solid shape.
During the Pitt vs. Providence game, they mentioned that Fields may be back on Friday... just our luck. Anybody have any confirmation of his return?
it would be nice to have the students come out in full force Froday. We need the place rocking.
Getting a bye in the BE tournament is looking tough at this point, but 5th place is certainly attainable and is much in our own hands, with the game Friday as well as the conference finale at the Orange.
Tonight was nice. Marquette did what they have to do -- pounded a clearly inferior team. But it's time to grab a win against a top third BE team.
What are people thinking about the crowd for Friday night -- sellout? Sellout with a lot of no-shows? A happy medium between the two?
Hopefully the 1,000 or so students who felt that ONE 5:45pm class in early February was more important than Louisville will find their way to the BC on Friday night. There is no excuse, the place should be bananas on Friday night.
And if you're really committed you'll start drinking around Noonish. As someone who sits adjacent the student section I'm hoping to see some performances for the ages. Usually the more girls who fall down the aisles, the better MU plays.
BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR
Seeing that the game is friday night...one hour later than the usual 7 games for night time (minus big monday), I see a great crowd. Late student arrival is my prediction however...it is friday night
Quote from: CWSKeith on February 12, 2008, 08:58:49 PM
Getting a bye in the BE tournament is looking tough at this point, but 5th place is certainly attainable and is much in our own hands, with the game Friday as well as the conference finale at the Orange.
Tonight was nice. Marquette did what they have to do -- pounded a clearly inferior team. But it's time to grab a win against a top third BE team.
What are people thinking about the crowd for Friday night -- sellout? Sellout with a lot of no-shows? A happy medium between the two?
A 5v12 game would be nice for the first day of the BE tourney...hope we can get it, got to win of Friday
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 12, 2008, 09:04:46 PM
Hopefully the 1,000 or so students who felt that ONE 5:45pm class in early February was more important than Louisville will find their way to the BC on Friday night. There is no excuse, the place should be bananas on Friday night.
And if you're really committed you'll start drinking around Noonish. As someone who sits adjacent the student section I'm hoping to see some performances for the ages. Usually the more girls who fall down the aisles, the better MU plays.
BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR
Fantastic post! ;D
We need to get the BC ROCKING on Friday night. I'll be there. Nosebleeds. All I wanna know is...who's comin' with me?!
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 12, 2008, 09:04:46 PM
Hopefully the 1,000 or so students who felt that ONE 5:45pm class in early February was more important than Louisville will find their way to the BC on Friday night. There is no excuse, the place should be bananas on Friday night.
And if you're really committed you'll start drinking around Noonish. As someone who sits adjacent the student section I'm hoping to see some performances for the ages. Usually the more girls who fall down the aisles, the better MU plays.
BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR
I will be sloppy for sure. The 8 p.m. start time is clutch. An extra hour of drinking, plus I don't have to leave as early to get my lower bowl seat. The set-up for this game doesn't get much better.
Count me, my dad, and his two friends there. We have season tickets so we are at most games. And those who sit in the upper deck-i truly admire you guys. you guys are the true fans who aren't seat snobs! We will be all "greased up" by game time. Lets get the BC rockin'
GO MARQUETTE!!
I'll be driving up from Chicago, as usual, for the game! It is a BIG one - we need an all-out effort by team and fans.....
GO MARQUETTE!!
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 12, 2008, 09:04:46 PM
Hopefully the 1,000 or so students who felt that ONE 5:45pm class in early February was more important than Louisville will find their way to the BC on Friday night.
Considering there are only about 12 sessions for Monday-only classes and labs this semester (which are all close to 3 hours long or more) because of MLK day and the day after Easter there's not much students can do. I know of a few people in a class that between homework that had to be turned in during class, an in-class project, and participation had over 10% of their grade dependent on going to class. When the school offers one session and it's a requirement for their major getting them to drop all that to come with me to watch us get killed wasn't a priority and I wasn't going to argue.
Don't worry, there's nobody I know with Friday late night classes, though many students will be stumbling in late...
Quote from: chapman on February 12, 2008, 10:33:15 PM
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 12, 2008, 09:04:46 PM
Hopefully the 1,000 or so students who felt that ONE 5:45pm class in early February was more important than Louisville will find their way to the BC on Friday night.
Considering there are only about 12 sessions for Monday-only classes and labs this semester (which are all close to 3 hours long or more) because of MLK day and the day after Easter there's not much students can do. I know of a few people in a class that between homework that had to be turned in during class, an in-class project, and participation had over 10% of their grade dependent on going to class. When the school offers one session and it's a requirement for their major getting them to drop all that to come with me to watch us get killed wasn't a priority and I wasn't going to argue.
Don't worry, there's nobody I know with Friday late night classes, though many students will be stumbling in late...
Chapman, in a few years you'll leave MU and you'll realize that skipping a game, especially a Louisville game, for a class is one of the dumbest things you could do in your four years at MU.
Although, I'm sure the kids who skipped class for that one were mildly regretful. That game was brutal.
let fields play, if we play with the energy we played with tonight, it won't matter.
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 12, 2008, 10:42:47 PM
Quote from: chapman on February 12, 2008, 10:33:15 PM
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 12, 2008, 09:04:46 PM
Hopefully the 1,000 or so students who felt that ONE 5:45pm class in early February was more important than Louisville will find their way to the BC on Friday night.
Considering there are only about 12 sessions for Monday-only classes and labs this semester (which are all close to 3 hours long or more) because of MLK day and the day after Easter there's not much students can do. I know of a few people in a class that between homework that had to be turned in during class, an in-class project, and participation had over 10% of their grade dependent on going to class. When the school offers one session and it's a requirement for their major getting them to drop all that to come with me to watch us get killed wasn't a priority and I wasn't going to argue.
Don't worry, there's nobody I know with Friday late night classes, though many students will be stumbling in late...
Chapman, in a few years you'll leave MU and you'll realize that skipping a game, especially a Louisville game, for a class is one of the dumbest things you could do in your four years at MU.
A full letter grade or a basketball game? I know in the future I'd be much more proud of making the Dean's List every semester than going to a game in which we got killed, unless if it was the Final Four so I can't blame these people for caring about the education they pay much more than $70 to get. My friends who are pre-med and had to be in lab would much rather get into a good med school than watch us get killed too. It will take a little string-pulling to get those kids out of the library for Friday night's game because they have different priorities. Heck, I'd be as likely, to miss a class to go to a random Brewers game; it's just what I place value on.
My buddy who runs Buckheads told me that Marquette students are nerds now. Very sad.
By the way, the women who were on Marquette's team when I was a manager studied hard. They are all very successful in what they do. A few are physical therapists. A couple are physician's assistants. Another was a 4.0 computer science major. These girls had 3 hours of practice a day. Then, for three or four of those days, they lifted for an hour. They travelled a lot and as a result, missed a lot of class. They gave up a lot of their time to represent Marquette and still did very well in school.
If people are studying on a friday night instead of going to the game, then these people just need to face the fact that they are either not that smart and need a lot of extra time to study or they are just nerds.
Quote from: MUCrisco on February 12, 2008, 11:45:53 PM
By the way, the women who were on Marquette's team when I was a manager studied hard. They are all very successful in what they do. A few are physical therapists. A couple are physician's assistants. Another was a 4.0 computer science major. These girls had 3 hours of practice a day. Then, for three or four of those days, they lifted for an hour. They travelled a lot and as a result, missed a lot of class. They gave up a lot of their time to represent Marquette and still did very well in school.
If people are studying on a friday night instead of going to the game, then these people just need to face the fact that they are either not that smart and need a lot of extra time to study or they are just nerds.
Definitely nerds.
The funny thing is, what do you think those same people who seem to make the library a routine on weekends instead of a last resort call those whose life revolves around the basketball games, and who know and memorize every players' stats? Nerds. I know people love to rip on the kids who are practically in tears when we lose a game. The dialogue between the library-dweller and the basketball-obsessed is good comedy.
Chapman it's not about memorizing DJ's Asst / TO ratio, it's about being part of something bigger. About watching with 4,000 of your closest friends as Reece Gaines / Fransisco Garcia / Jerry Smith rips your heart out, or as Dameon Mason makes your heart pound or as Travis Diener gives you a glimmer of hope even if it ended up lasting just another few seconds. If you think you're at MU just for some lab, fine, but what I found was I was there as part of a community. Dorms, Hoops, Real Chili, Library, Group Projects, Exams...they were all vital to my experience.
And to paraphrase Crisco, if you can't skip one class and still keep your grade, maybe you're swimming in too deep of water. Besides, it's MU, not Harvard. Enjoy it.
Quote from: chapman on February 12, 2008, 10:33:15 PM
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 12, 2008, 09:04:46 PM
Hopefully the 1,000 or so students who felt that ONE 5:45pm class in early February was more important than Louisville will find their way to the BC on Friday night.
Considering there are only about 12 sessions for Monday-only classes and labs this semester (which are all close to 3 hours long or more) because of MLK day and the day after Easter there's not much students can do. I know of a few people in a class that between homework that had to be turned in during class, an in-class project, and participation had over 10% of their grade dependent on going to class. When the school offers one session and it's a requirement for their major getting them to drop all that to come with me to watch us get killed wasn't a priority and I wasn't going to argue.
Don't worry, there's nobody I know with Friday late night classes, though many students will be stumbling in late...
Sorry, but I'm not buying this one. I'm sure it had an impact, but probably a minor one. What's MU's enrollment these days, 10,000 or so? How many students are at a game, when it is packed to the rafters, maybe 2500? There were probably 1500 (or less) at the UL game. You do the math, that's an awful lot of kids who have Monday evening classes.
Quote from: chapman on February 12, 2008, 11:25:56 PM
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 12, 2008, 10:42:47 PM
Quote from: chapman on February 12, 2008, 10:33:15 PM
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 12, 2008, 09:04:46 PM
Hopefully the 1,000 or so students who felt that ONE 5:45pm class in early February was more important than Louisville will find their way to the BC on Friday night.
Considering there are only about 12 sessions for Monday-only classes and labs this semester (which are all close to 3 hours long or more) because of MLK day and the day after Easter there's not much students can do. I know of a few people in a class that between homework that had to be turned in during class, an in-class project, and participation had over 10% of their grade dependent on going to class. When the school offers one session and it's a requirement for their major getting them to drop all that to come with me to watch us get killed wasn't a priority and I wasn't going to argue.
Don't worry, there's nobody I know with Friday late night classes, though many students will be stumbling in late...
Chapman, in a few years you'll leave MU and you'll realize that skipping a game, especially a Louisville game, for a class is one of the dumbest things you could do in your four years at MU.
A full letter grade or a basketball game? I know in the future I'd be much more proud of making the Dean's List every semester than going to a game in which we got killed, unless if it was the Final Four so I can't blame these people for caring about the education they pay much more than $70 to get. My friends who are pre-med and had to be in lab would much rather get into a good med school than watch us get killed too. It will take a little string-pulling to get those kids out of the library for Friday night's game because they have different priorities. Heck, I'd be as likely, to miss a class to go to a random Brewers game; it's just what I place value on.
Wow, I have to say its a shame that these students are missing out on a well rounded education. The whole point of going to Marquette is to not just stick your nose in a book for 4 years. The basketball experience is a top 3 experience of my life, bonded with so many of my friends, walking to games, watching games, driving to games, and waiting outside the BC.
Someone needs to tell these library nerds that the good jobs don't require a 4.0. In fact, I wouldn't hire anyone with a 3.7 or higher unless they could prove them have done a bunch of other stuff outside of school as well. Scares me to death, the people who study their whole life without going out on a Friday night having a beer and taking in a great college game.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on February 13, 2008, 07:56:13 AM
Quote from: chapman on February 12, 2008, 10:33:15 PM
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 12, 2008, 09:04:46 PM
Hopefully the 1,000 or so students who felt that ONE 5:45pm class in early February was more important than Louisville will find their way to the BC on Friday night.
Considering there are only about 12 sessions for Monday-only classes and labs this semester (which are all close to 3 hours long or more) because of MLK day and the day after Easter there's not much students can do. I know of a few people in a class that between homework that had to be turned in during class, an in-class project, and participation had over 10% of their grade dependent on going to class. When the school offers one session and it's a requirement for their major getting them to drop all that to come with me to watch us get killed wasn't a priority and I wasn't going to argue.
Don't worry, there's nobody I know with Friday late night classes, though many students will be stumbling in late...
Sorry, but I'm not buying this one. I'm sure it had an impact, but probably a minor one. What's MU's enrollment these days, 10,000 or so? How many students are at a game, when it is packed to the rafters, maybe 2500? There were probably 1500 (or less) at the UL game. You do the math, that's an awful lot of kids who have Monday evening classes.
Enrollment is pushing the high 12k. Student section, the last time I had it memorized was 4,100.
Quote from: chapman on February 12, 2008, 11:25:56 PM
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 12, 2008, 10:42:47 PM
Quote from: chapman on February 12, 2008, 10:33:15 PM
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 12, 2008, 09:04:46 PM
Hopefully the 1,000 or so students who felt that ONE 5:45pm class in early February was more important than Louisville will find their way to the BC on Friday night.
Considering there are only about 12 sessions for Monday-only classes and labs this semester (which are all close to 3 hours long or more) because of MLK day and the day after Easter there's not much students can do. I know of a few people in a class that between homework that had to be turned in during class, an in-class project, and participation had over 10% of their grade dependent on going to class. When the school offers one session and it's a requirement for their major getting them to drop all that to come with me to watch us get killed wasn't a priority and I wasn't going to argue.
Don't worry, there's nobody I know with Friday late night classes, though many students will be stumbling in late...
Chapman, in a few years you'll leave MU and you'll realize that skipping a game, especially a Louisville game, for a class is one of the dumbest things you could do in your four years at MU.
I know in the future I'd be much more proud of making the Dean's List every semester than going to a game in which we got killed,
The Dean's List!? Are you serious? Nobody gives a rat's ass about the "Dean's List" except your parents. Oh my God. I didn't even know such a list existed!
As far as a Monday night is concerned, I have to side with those who choose to go to class/lab over the game. When I took general & organic chemistry we were allowed to miss one lab per semester, and that required written excuse such as D1 athletics (participation, not attendance) or record of an ER visit. I took an evening lab for a semester my freshman year. It sucked, but due to my registration time, that's where I ended up.
As for Monday night classes, most of those are once-a-week, so if you miss one class, it's basically missing an entire week's worth of class. I'm all for skipping an hour of class to go to a game, but I'm not sure I'd skip a whole week.
Don't get me wrong. Basketball games were one of my favorite things during my time at MU. Those of you who have mentioned community/"college experience/etc, I hear you. That's a big part of the reason why I went to Marquette. But I'll never fault a student for choosing a lab/once-a-week class over an early evening basketball game.
That said, there's no excuse to miss an 8pm Friday night game against a team who is quickly becoming one of our better rivals.
I agree if you had class/lab, that is the place to be in most cases. I'm saying class/lab does not explain that many empty seats. A small percentage? Yes, but lameness and laziness is the likely explanation for the overwhelming majority of those empty seats.
Quote from: reesiecup210 on February 13, 2008, 01:30:55 AM
Quote from: MUCrisco on February 12, 2008, 11:45:53 PM
By the way, the women who were on Marquette's team when I was a manager studied hard. They are all very successful in what they do. A few are physical therapists. A couple are physician's assistants. Another was a 4.0 computer science major. These girls had 3 hours of practice a day. Then, for three or four of those days, they lifted for an hour. They travelled a lot and as a result, missed a lot of class. They gave up a lot of their time to represent Marquette and still did very well in school.
If people are studying on a friday night instead of going to the game, then these people just need to face the fact that they are either not that smart and need a lot of extra time to study or they are just nerds.
Definitely nerds.
(http://www.thelightisgreen.com/Revenge%20of%20the%20Nerds.jpg)
Quote from: HarveysWallbangers on February 13, 2008, 08:19:52 AM
The Dean's List!? Are you serious? Nobody gives a rat's ass about the "Dean's List" except your parents. Oh my God. I didn't even know such a list existed!
Well, I think it's ridiculous that people who don't give a rat's ass about basketball are blamed for not showing up to games on a Monday night. There are probably over 1,000 students who will only show up to the game drunk and don't really pay attention to what's going on. Basketball is a very tiny part of a lot of people's "college experience". Some kids live at the Rec Center, other make it to the bar every night, others are in that club that dresses up like medievel characters and battles in the field by Schroeder. If you tell them they didn't have a good experience because they didn't go to a basketball game they will beg to differ.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on February 13, 2008, 07:56:13 AM
Sorry, but I'm not buying this one. I'm sure it had an impact, but probably a minor one. What's MU's enrollment these days, 10,000 or so? How many students are at a game, when it is packed to the rafters, maybe 2500? There were probably 1500 (or less) at the UL game. You do the math, that's an awful lot of kids who have Monday evening classes.
Besides class and work, there had to be at least a few hundred that could have gone and didn't. So it's pretty bad that the first people attacked are the small group that went to the classes they paid $27,000 for instead of games they paid $70 for. When I had to go with only one other person to the Louisville game, I didn't tell my friends their college experience was ruined because they made their decision to go to class. That might be some good ammunition for anyone who doesn't plan on going Friday though.
Quote from: chapman on February 13, 2008, 11:53:45 AM
Quote from: HarveysWallbangers on February 13, 2008, 08:19:52 AM
The Dean's List!? Are you serious? Nobody gives a rat's ass about the "Dean's List" except your parents. Oh my God. I didn't even know such a list existed!
Well, I think it's ridiculous that people who don't give a rat's ass about basketball are blamed for not showing up to games on a Monday night. There are probably over 1,000 students who will only show up to the game drunk and don't really pay attention to what's going on. Basketball is a very tiny part of a lot of people's "college experience". Some kids live at the Rec Center, other make it to the bar every night, others are in that club that dresses up like medievel characters and battles in the field by Schroeder. If you tell them they didn't have a good experience because they didn't go to a basketball game they will beg to differ.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on February 13, 2008, 07:56:13 AM
Sorry, but I'm not buying this one. I'm sure it had an impact, but probably a minor one. What's MU's enrollment these days, 10,000 or so? How many students are at a game, when it is packed to the rafters, maybe 2500? There were probably 1500 (or less) at the UL game. You do the math, that's an awful lot of kids who have Monday evening classes.
Besides class and work, there had to be at least a few hundred that could have gone and didn't. So it's pretty bad that the first people attacked are the small group that went to the classes they paid $27,000 for instead of games they paid $70 for. When I had to go with only one other person to the Louisville game, I didn't tell my friends their college experience was ruined because they made their decision to go to class. That might be some good ammunition for anyone who doesn't plan on going Friday though.
C's, Ds & summer school get degrees and just as good of a job as the jerkass with a gold cord around his neck at graduation who has zero social ability and zero ability to apply what they learned to real life scenarios.
Somebody before said that they wouldn't hire anyone with a 3.7 or higher. I won't hire anyone that puts their GPA on their resume. :)
Plus, the best nights at Murf's were during finals weeks.
Quote from: chapman on February 13, 2008, 11:53:45 AM
others are in that club that dresses up like medievel characters and battles in the field by Schroeder.
Are you making this up or do some kids actually do this? This is an honest question.
The basketball games are not just about basketball. It's a social thing. If some kids don't pay attention to the game and are there just to have fun, so be it. At least they are socializing with other students, instead of just trying to get attention by dressing up in tights.
Many people don't go to the games to just watch what I believe is the greatest sport ever. They go there in celebration. It's a time when they can feel united with their classmates and create excitement with each other. They can let loose and act like a fool for once, instead of being so studious. It is a source of school pride. It creates enthusiam for the school which can be demonstrated by record apllicants.
When students leave college, they will find that besides hanging out with their friends, the one and maybe only connection that they have to Marquette is the basketball game. If they enjoyed their time in school, basketball might be their only gateway to their past/ Even if they don't like the sport, it's an opportunity and a reason to not only hang out with old friends, but run into people you forgot about as well.
If people are studying at 8 o'clock on a friday night, they are missing out on a big part of their life. Work hard, play hard.
Just my $.02, but maybe instead of going on a bash crusade of those students who don't care too much about basketball, shouldn't we instead use this forum to praise those who do? The ones who show up game after game, win or loss, and truly bring the noise are the true 6th men and women here. I've been to games at schools where basketball isn't a big deal (ND when they're not doing well, for example), and our "low turnout" student crowd is still better than what a lot of schools bring to just about every game. Let's take a step back and remember what a DePaul student crowd looks like.
I know it can be frustrating when the fair weather fans come and go, and playing in the BC makes a lower turnout look REALLY empty, but we shouldn't take what we do have for granted, and we should be happy we have the support we do, year after year, from the students.
Again, just my $.02, but I feel that those who DO show up deserve some recognition here.
Quote from: MUCrisco on February 13, 2008, 12:25:26 PM
Quote from: chapman on February 13, 2008, 11:53:45 AM
others are in that club that dresses up like medievel characters and battles in the field by Schroeder.
Are you making this up or do some kids actually do this? This is an honest question.
They do this, and are pretty serious about it. Costumes, armor, swords. You get a hell of an ab workout watching it.
Quote from: Ahoya06 on February 13, 2008, 12:33:30 PM
I've been to games at schools where basketball isn't a big deal (ND when they're not doing well, for example), and our "low turnout" student crowd is still better than what a lot of schools bring to just about every game. Let's take a step back and remember what a DePaul student crowd looks like.
I know it can be frustrating when the fair weather fans come and go, and playing in the BC makes a lower turnout look REALLY empty, but we shouldn't take what we do have for granted, and we should be happy we have the support we do, year after year, from the students.
I was thinking this while watching the Seton Hall game last night. I'm not just patting the MU students on the back either, but the whole fan base. MU isn't -fill in the blank of a few dozen schools who do have better fan bases- but overall they have a good gig going. I realize bad weather kept SH fans from coming to the game, but lets be honest, how full would the prudential center really have been w/good weather?
Quote from: chapman on February 13, 2008, 01:04:03 PM
Quote from: MUCrisco on February 13, 2008, 12:25:26 PM
Quote from: chapman on February 13, 2008, 11:53:45 AM
others are in that club that dresses up like medieval characters and battles in the field by Schroeder.
Are you making this up or do some kids actually do this? This is an honest question.
They do this, and are pretty serious about it. Costumes, armor, swords. You get a hell of an ab workout watching it.
They don't call themselves "Warriors" do they? Or are they the "Gold Knights"? And, why don't they show up at the BC in their armor...their costumes make more sense than Tigger.
Oh dear god. Someone get some video of the MU "LARP"ing.
http://www.break.com/index/what_is_larping.html
Quote from: chapman on February 13, 2008, 01:04:03 PM
Quote from: MUCrisco on February 13, 2008, 12:25:26 PM
Quote from: chapman on February 13, 2008, 11:53:45 AM
others are in that club that dresses up like medievel characters and battles in the field by Schroeder.
Are you making this up or do some kids actually do this? This is an honest question.
They do this, and are pretty serious about it. Costumes, armor, swords. You get a hell of an ab workout watching it.
Saw them from my room in Schroeder a couple times. I always wondered why they did stuff like that out in the open.
Is that why those guys dress up in hats, sunglasses and boxing gloves?
Nothing like trying to play a pickup football game around a jousting match...
Monty Python enthusiasts maybe?
In case anyone is interested, here's the story that made front page of the Tribune last fall...
http://media.www.marquettetribune.org/media/storage/paper1130/news/2007/09/20/News/Jousting.And.Calligraphy.Part.Of.A.Knights.Work-2978338.shtml
If this isn't proof that we seriously need to lower admission standards and bring back FFP, I don't know what is.
Quote from: chapman on February 14, 2008, 11:33:11 AM
In case anyone is interested, here's the story that made front page of the Tribune last fall...
http://media.www.marquettetribune.org/media/storage/paper1130/news/2007/09/20/News/Jousting.And.Calligraphy.Part.Of.A.Knights.Work-2978338.shtml
FREAK.....SHOWS.......WOW
Having said that, thats at least a little better than being in the library at 8PM on Friday night
Quote from: mu03eng on February 14, 2008, 12:33:45 PM
Having said that, thats at least a little better than being in the library at 8PM on Friday night
You sure about that...?
I'm driving from Omaha to be at the game Friday and I go to college. So the way I look at it no student has any excuse to be in the library on Friday night. Nor do I believe that anyone will be anyway
Quote from: IAmMarquette on February 14, 2008, 12:36:17 PM
Quote from: mu03eng on February 14, 2008, 12:33:45 PM
Having said that, thats at least a little better than being in the library at 8PM on Friday night
You sure about that...?
Well how much different is that from my friends and I spending an entire Friday night getting drunk, filling in all the names in NCAA '03, simming the season, importing the draft class to Madden '03 and then doing the draft, setting up the season and then starting the new Madden season?
It seems ridiculous but at least its something semi-social and not studying all night. As long as they aren't missing games for this behavior I can keep my laughing at them to a minimum. :o ;)
Quote from: mu03eng on February 14, 2008, 01:34:22 PM
Well how much different is that from my friends and I spending an entire Friday night getting drunk, filling in all the names in NCAA '03, simming the season, importing the draft class to Madden '03 and then doing the draft, setting up the season and then starting the new Madden season?
Wow, that's dedication! Thank god for Action Replays, I've been able to download the named rosters for NCAA Football and 2k College Hoops for several years now.
Quote from: chapman on February 14, 2008, 11:33:11 AM
In case anyone is interested, here's the story that made front page of the Tribune last fall...
http://media.www.marquettetribune.org/media/storage/paper1130/news/2007/09/20/News/Jousting.And.Calligraphy.Part.Of.A.Knights.Work-2978338.shtml
Gaurunteed, not a single person in that article has been laid. Not a chance.
But then again, being at the library at 8pm on a Friday night doesn't do much in that department either.
Say what you will about the role players (they are indeed a little weird), but at least they have found a social group at MU that they can identify with (albeit a dorky one).
The guy who wrote this article comes off like he doesn't like ANYBODY.
While I understand that some people aren't into binge drinking, if you can't go out and just enjoy a beer on your own campus (with your fellow students), your probably just a stuck-up a-hole.
http://media.www.marquettetribune.org/media/storage/paper1130/news/2008/01/24/Viewpoints/Night.Life.At.Marquette.The.Way.I.See.It-3163939.shtml?reffeature=recentlycommentedstoriestab
Night life at Marquette, the way I see it
By Brandon Stokes
The life of the college student includes a multitude of things—classes, sporting events and student organizations. A part of student life that is buried under all of this is the partying that occurs once the weekend is upon us. I decided to detail a typical experience. People do not like to discuss this topic openly because this is, after all, a place of higher education.
I have decided to give those not in the know a glimpse of the nightlife at Marquette through the eyes of yours truly.
The night begins with me deciding what to wear. I look in my closet and see things too dressy or too casual. I decide on jeans, a polo shirt and loafers because athletic shoes are not in this year. I call a friend or two and we head out to see what Marquette has to offer.
The first place we enter is a house party at Renee Row. The party is filled with intoxicated Neanderthals and women who love them. I notice a young woman I have class with but pretend not to see her because there is no need to make friends with a drunk. She runs over to me and pretends to befriend me despite both of us knowing she will ignore my very existence on Monday.
She leaves me to go vomit up the absurd amount of alcohol she drank about the same time a new person with beer coming out of his pores walks up and says, "Here's a brew bro." I take the drink and hand it off to someone nearby. I find my friends and let them know it is time to leave.
We decide to make a stop at Murphy's before going to another party. Inside Murphy's the older alcoholics on campus are convening. We look for the drunkest person there because it is more likely that they will buy you a drink, as they have no control of the part of the brain that says 'no'. After getting the free drinks, we head to an apartment party held by one of my acquaintances. We enter the party and it immediately feels like a sauna.
The party is packed with what looks like the entire ethnic population of Marquette; I assume the diversity push is working. Out of the 40 or so women who are there, about four are attractive. I head to the bar area because that's my usual spot to see everything and watch as the people dance inside the sardine can to obnoxious southern rap music. I see the one woman that catches my eye as she dances with a voluptuously curvaceous body, brown eyes and a wonderful smile.
I see various drunken men vie for her attention, but the aggressiveness turns her off. I approach with apprehensiveness knowing my wingmen are doing things that will be the topic of laughter with photos on Facebook. Unlike my counterparts, I approach the mystery woman with confidence and suggest she call me later to hang out, putting the ball in her court.
The party starts to die down and I begin my walk back to my apartment. I see public safety holding a student as he vomits from alcohol poisoning, and I wonder if this campus can have fun without drinking. I walk past random yells and mindless freshmen excited about absolutely nothing. I enter my apartment, take off my jacket and check my e-mail. I sit and ask myself 'what am I doing here?' and look forward to the next phase of my life. That is a look into the nightlife at Marquette from my perspective. It may not be how you see things, but hey, you may be too drunk to remember.
Brandon Stokes equals big DB and horrible writer. Man the Trib has gone downhill in the last 5 years.
At least we have a trouncing of Pitt on Friday to look forward to....and perhaps being too drunk to remember;)
Quote from: mu03eng on February 14, 2008, 03:12:16 PM
Brandon Stokes equals big DB and horrible writer. Man the Trib has gone downhill in the last 5 years.
At least we have a trouncing of Pitt on Friday to look forward to....and perhaps being too drunk to remember;)
i thought it was a great article. it was truthful without being too critical, he was just stating the facts. this is how it is guys. i'm sure the trib just like everything else @ MU isn't as good as it once was, right? back in your day of course.
As one of the people who was frequently "too drunk to remember," and probably will be again tomorrow night after the game, yeah, this article is pretty much spot-on.
Yikes - what happened to my school?? I started school in '76, and one of the first things that we had to do was to find 10 people, one of whom had access to a tent, and get registered to buy bball tickets. Not sure what week of school it was, but on Tuesday morning you could get in line with your tent of 10 people and stay there until Saturday when you could purchase tickets. 5 people had to be at the tent at any time, and there were visits by ASMU during the week checking on the number of folks.
Of course it was a great big party, I seem to remember Miller, Pabst and Schlitz even had beer trucks there during the week (I might be imagining that though). I still remember falling in love with about 20 or 30 girls I met that week, and listening to Blinded by the Light.
Man, everyone went to the games, started on Wells street before the games, usually the 'Lanche, and stopped by the State street bars after the game before going to the Gym or Grunts. We wouldn't think of missing a game, and scheduled studying around that. BTW, my friends and I all graduated in 4 years, law school for them and MBA for me.
Have fun in school, you've got to work after that!
Quote from: muhoosier260 on February 14, 2008, 03:23:47 PM
Quote from: mu03eng on February 14, 2008, 03:12:16 PM
Brandon Stokes equals big DB and horrible writer. Man the Trib has gone downhill in the last 5 years.
At least we have a trouncing of Pitt on Friday to look forward to....and perhaps being too drunk to remember;)
i thought it was a great article. it was truthful without being too critical, he was just stating the facts. this is how it is guys. i'm sure the trib just like everything else @ MU isn't as good as it once was, right? back in your day of course.
I don't know the Trib enough to know the writers, but I'll have to say I agree with this article too. I usually have more fun getting a group of friends together and going downtown on weekends, and I know a lot of students do the same. Actually, to further shame the alumni, I'll go right out and say that a night at UWM is usually more fun than a night at MU these days.
Quote from: chapman on February 14, 2008, 09:09:17 PM
Quote from: muhoosier260 on February 14, 2008, 03:23:47 PM
Quote from: mu03eng on February 14, 2008, 03:12:16 PM
Brandon Stokes equals big DB and horrible writer. Man the Trib has gone downhill in the last 5 years.
At least we have a trouncing of Pitt on Friday to look forward to....and perhaps being too drunk to remember;)
i thought it was a great article. it was truthful without being too critical, he was just stating the facts. this is how it is guys. i'm sure the trib just like everything else @ MU isn't as good as it once was, right? back in your day of course.
I don't know the Trib enough to know the writers, but I'll have to say I agree with this article too. I usually have more fun getting a group of friends together and going downtown on weekends, and I know a lot of students do the same. Actually, to further shame the alumni, I'll go right out and say that a night at UWM is usually more fun than a night at MU these days.
Crisco's friend was right - you are all turning into a bunch of nerds. For shame. :'(
Quote from: chapman on February 14, 2008, 09:09:17 PM
I usually have more fun getting a group of friends together and going downtown on weekends, and I know a lot of students do the same.
agreed
Quote from: Chili on February 14, 2008, 09:24:15 PM
Crisco's friend was right - you are all turning into a bunch of nerds. For shame. :'(
i don't get how a weak campus party scene makes MU students "nerds". Marquette isn't the same school it was 30, 20, 15 years ago...at least from what i gather. regardless, i'm pumped about tomorrow night! I'll be @ the BC @ 4, c u there
Quote from: muhoosier260 on February 14, 2008, 09:38:47 PM
Quote from: Chili on February 14, 2008, 09:24:15 PM
Crisco's friend was right - you are all turning into a bunch of nerds. For shame. :'(
i don't get how a weak campus party scene makes MU students "nerds". Marquette isn't the same school it was 30, 20, 15 years ago...at least from what i gather. regardless, i'm pumped about tomorrow night! I'll be @ the BC @ 4, c u there
What does that mean, it's not the same school as it was 30, 20, 15 years ago? Are you implying that the school is dfferent b/c the mean ACT / GPA of a incoming freshman has risen? Well FYI Hoosier boy, you're getting the same profs & same cirriculum that all of us dumb-ass beer-drinking derelics (sp) got back in 1993, 1988 and 1978. The only difference is your classmates maybe smarter and apparently can't party. You're getting no better of an education than I got, you're just deciding that it takes twice as long to study for the same exam I did.
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 14, 2008, 11:14:55 PM
Quote from: muhoosier260 on February 14, 2008, 09:38:47 PM
Quote from: Chili on February 14, 2008, 09:24:15 PM
Crisco's friend was right - you are all turning into a bunch of nerds. For shame. :'(
i don't get how a weak campus party scene makes MU students "nerds". Marquette isn't the same school it was 30, 20, 15 years ago...at least from what i gather. regardless, i'm pumped about tomorrow night! I'll be @ the BC @ 4, c u there
What does that mean, it's not the same school as it was 30, 20, 15 years ago? Are you implying that the school is dfferent b/c the mean ACT / GPA of a incoming freshman has risen? Well FYI Hoosier boy, you're getting the same profs & same cirriculum that all of us dumb-ass beer-drinking derelics (sp) got back in 1993, 1988 and 1978. The only difference is your classmates maybe smarter and apparently can't party. You're getting no better of an education than I got, you're just deciding that it takes twice as long to study for the same exam I did.
Defensive damon,
i'll tell you what it means- its just not the same school. meaning different student body, different interests, i guess more lame. there i said it, we can't party like its 1988! who cares? i mean i still have my fun, i get my stuff done, i'm content. if alumni view today's student w/contempt b/c they don't party as much then so be it.
i wasn't even thinking about the sat's and whatnot, apparently you are though so i'll leave it at that. However, I do have to ask one question: do you really think Marquette hasn't made any progress for the better in the last 30 years? I think you're fooling yourself if you really believe that. I don't even mean that in a condescending way, but every school strives to improve.
don't get so riled up. oh and don't call me boy, unless of course i can call you old timer. enjoy the game
*not to mention the physical landscape of the campus is much different, fewer bars for one
Quote from: 2002mualum on February 14, 2008, 03:06:23 PM
Out of the 40 or so women who are there, about four are attractive.
Wow, the percentage of attractive women has certainly increased since I was there! I think beer goggles was what most of us drinkers were going for back in the early 80's!
As soon as the guy pointed out that he had decided upon loafers for an evening out on the town, I knew something was amiss. This is completely lame. It's no wonder there are so many kids dressing up in costumes for the games.
I don't think the guy's column is necessarily inaccurate, its just the general tone and disdain that he has for his fellow students that makes him sound like an a-hole.
If you don't like the parties that are going on around campus, then throw your own party, cool guy.
If you can't relax and have a beer (or soda if you choose) in a campus social environment (bar or party), then find something else to do.
A lot of kids enjoy going out and blowing off some steam. And yes, drunk dudes hitting on girls is not the height of social interaction... but it is part of the real world that we live in. If you don't like it, then find something else to do.
Quote from: chapman on February 14, 2008, 09:09:17 PM
Quote from: muhoosier260 on February 14, 2008, 03:23:47 PM
Quote from: mu03eng on February 14, 2008, 03:12:16 PM
Brandon Stokes equals big DB and horrible writer. Man the Trib has gone downhill in the last 5 years.
At least we have a trouncing of Pitt on Friday to look forward to....and perhaps being too drunk to remember;)
i thought it was a great article. it was truthful without being too critical, he was just stating the facts. this is how it is guys. i'm sure the trib just like everything else @ MU isn't as good as it once was, right? back in your day of course.
I don't know the Trib enough to know the writers, but I'll have to say I agree with this article too. I usually have more fun getting a group of friends together and going downtown on weekends, and I know a lot of students do the same. Actually, to further shame the alumni, I'll go right out and say that a night at UWM is usually more fun than a night at MU these days.
Dude, I graduated a little less than 5 years ago and its already gotten that lame? Senior year we were at Murph's or Caff's at least three nights a week, along with a house party or two thrown in before or after. I refuse to believe things have gotten this lame that fast.
And 2002mu is right, its really the tone that makes him sound like a DB. Perhaps he was trying to be satirical and didn't pull it off. Either hate or love the party social scene its at least something social. Plus having had those experiences have helped me in the business world when I have to attend evening work functions.
Whether you are at MU now or were there 20 years ago as I was, I think we can all agree, the deutsche bank who wrote/made up that article sucks!
Quote from: 2002mualum on February 15, 2008, 09:06:50 AM
I don't think the guy's column is necessarily inaccurate, its just the general tone and disdain that he has for his fellow students that makes him sound like an a-hole.
If you don't like the parties that are going on around campus, then throw your own party, cool guy.
Amen
For decade upon decades one of the rites of graduation has been the ability to claim you partied harder than the kids now in school. We all knew it was just a joke, playful banter etc. I'll even concede that since the fabled block party was gone when I enrolled in '93 and since the 'Lanche closed my senior year, that older alums did "see more action". This group enrolled now though has reshaped the race; they seem to pride themselves on how academic it has gotten. 2002mualum, I was talking with 2006 alum last night that felt crowds (student section) were different now as the typical MU student has changed (and this kid has been out for 18 months). I guess after 125 years of adolescence, our little school is all grown up.
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 15, 2008, 11:43:54 AM
For decade upon decades one of the rites of graduation has been the ability to claim you partied harder than the kids now in school. We all knew it was just a joke, playful banter etc. I'll even concede that since the fabled block party was gone when I enrolled in '93 and since the 'Lanche closed my senior year, that older alums did "see more action". This group enrolled now though has reshaped the race; they seem to pride themselves on how academic it has gotten. 2002mualum, I was talking with 2006 alum last night that felt crowds (student section) were different now as the typical MU student has changed (and this kid has been out for 18 months). I guess after 125 years of adolescence, our little school is all grown up.
Hahaha... completely agree that the whole "we partied harder" argument is really cliche and always happens.
I have heard that MPD has been more strict about underage drinking since I graduated, but obviously I'm not on campus nor do I have a scientific study to support it.
My gut tell me that some years there is more drinking/partying some years there are less... but on the whole the "average consumption" probably remains somewhat similar. 19 year olds are 19 year olds.
Murphs and Caff's might not be packed every night... but maybe more people are hitting Jim's Timeout or something.
MY ALUMNI BRAGGING:I remember when the Bradley would serve you 12 beers for 1 ID. We would come back with trays of beers to the student section (most of us were only 19 or 20)... but I'm sure the modern day students have figured out ways to consume a ton of beer at games.
EDIT: Also, the girls were uglier when I was in school... they look way better now. I drank more and the girls were ugly. That's the typical argument, isn't it? :-)
I challenge all you alum to a drink off right now.
Quote from: 2002mualum on February 15, 2008, 12:00:17 PM
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 15, 2008, 11:43:54 AM
For decade upon decades one of the rites of graduation has been the ability to claim you partied harder than the kids now in school. We all knew it was just a joke, playful banter etc. I'll even concede that since the fabled block party was gone when I enrolled in '93 and since the 'Lanche closed my senior year, that older alums did "see more action". This group enrolled now though has reshaped the race; they seem to pride themselves on how academic it has gotten. 2002mualum, I was talking with 2006 alum last night that felt crowds (student section) were different now as the typical MU student has changed (and this kid has been out for 18 months). I guess after 125 years of adolescence, our little school is all grown up.
Hahaha... completely agree that the whole "we partied harder" argument is really cliche and always happens.
I have heard that MPD has been more strict about underage drinking since I graduated, but obviously I'm not on campus nor do I have a scientific study to support it.
My gut tell me that some years there is more drinking/partying some years there are less... but on the whole the "average consumption" probably remains somewhat similar. 19 year olds are 19 year olds.
Murphs and Caff's might not be packed every night... but maybe more people are hitting Jim's Timeout or something.
MY ALUMNI BRAGGING:
I remember when the Bradley would serve you 12 beers for 1 ID. We would come back with trays of beers to the student section (most of us were only 19 or 20)... but I'm sure the modern day students have figured out ways to consume a ton of beer at games.
EDIT: Also, the girls were uglier when I was in school... they look way better now. I drank more and the girls were ugly. That's the typical argument, isn't it? :-)
Don't disagree with you at all about the partying. However, I have a theory about the girls and their appearances. I don't think that they have really gotten better looking....I just think the things they are wearing has changed. I went to high school during the grunge era so it was big floppy flannel shirts, then by my freshmen year of college the attire started changing and by senior year girls who didn't look good 4 years ago, started looking pretty good. Thats my theory anyway. 80's and 90's doesn't seem like a good era for attractive chicks. ;)
Quote from: MUPete on February 15, 2008, 12:48:21 PM
I challenge all you alum to a drink off right now.
I don't think you want to do that. The last time someone challenged my group of friends, we ended up carrying him to an apt, paramedics came, they had to wake him up with smelling salts, and they took him to the emergency room.
Edit: BTW, we're not proud of this story.
Quote from: MUPete on February 15, 2008, 12:48:21 PM
I challenge all you alum to a drink off right now.
Wouldn't be a fair fight anymore, you have the advantage of youth. 10, 15, 20 years ago we could have taken care of you inside an hour. Although knowing today's students...well, maybe it would take 2 hours.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on February 15, 2008, 01:13:48 PM
Quote from: MUPete on February 15, 2008, 12:48:21 PM
I challenge all you alum to a drink off right now.
Wouldn't be a fair fight anymore, you have the advantage of youth. 10, 15, 20 years ago we could have taken care of you inside an hour. Although knowing today's students...well, maybe it would take 2 hours.
Which is another reason why students should be enjoying themselves while they are in college.
Quote from: MUCrisco on February 15, 2008, 01:19:23 PM
Which is another reason why students should be enjoying themselves while they are in college.
Something I continue to preach to college kids when I talk to them. Unfortunately you just don't realize what a vacation college is until you encounter the cold harsh realities of the real world. I would never want to go back, but compared to life after college, those 4 years are an unbelievable cake walk.
http://media.www.marquettetribune.org/media/storage/paper1130/news/2008/01/29/Viewpoints/Dont-Take.Life.Too.Seriously-3172046.shtml
This was written in response to that column by Brandon Stokes. I found it very well done.
The way I see it is that whatever you're looking for-- anywhere from I just want to get A's and get out to I don't remember Tuesday night-- you can find a solid group of friends to be right there with you. Not everybody is looking for an alcohol-fueled college experience, and for various reasons.
That being said, I'm getting hammered as soon as I finish this paper. Should be a GREAT night. :)
Quote from: drewm88 on February 15, 2008, 01:26:53 PM
http://media.www.marquettetribune.org/media/storage/paper1130/news/2008/01/29/Viewpoints/Dont-Take.Life.Too.Seriously-3172046.shtml
This was written in response to that column by Brandon Stokes. I found it very well done.
That response column
was well done.
MY ALUMNI BRAGGING:Graduated in 1983; the legal drinking age was 18 for my full 4-year stint. There was no stigma attached to drinking and driving in those days--it was just a ticket. So the bars and parties were well attended by members of all classes, including commuters and those who lived off-campus.
...and, by the way, I'll be starting my fish fry and my first High Life at around 6:00 at Turner Hall (if I can squeeze in there) before the game. I plan to be peaking by the middle of the 1st half (just in time for the Converse break).
Quote from: mu03eng on February 15, 2008, 12:51:55 PM
Quote from: 2002mualum on February 15, 2008, 12:00:17 PM
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 15, 2008, 11:43:54 AM
For decade upon decades one of the rites of graduation has been the ability to claim you partied harder than the kids now in school. We all knew it was just a joke, playful banter etc. I'll even concede that since the fabled block party was gone when I enrolled in '93 and since the 'Lanche closed my senior year, that older alums did "see more action". This group enrolled now though has reshaped the race; they seem to pride themselves on how academic it has gotten. 2002mualum, I was talking with 2006 alum last night that felt crowds (student section) were different now as the typical MU student has changed (and this kid has been out for 18 months). I guess after 125 years of adolescence, our little school is all grown up.
Hahaha... completely agree that the whole "we partied harder" argument is really cliche and always happens.
I have heard that MPD has been more strict about underage drinking since I graduated, but obviously I'm not on campus nor do I have a scientific study to support it.
My gut tell me that some years there is more drinking/partying some years there are less... but on the whole the "average consumption" probably remains somewhat similar. 19 year olds are 19 year olds.
Murphs and Caff's might not be packed every night... but maybe more people are hitting Jim's Timeout or something.
MY ALUMNI BRAGGING:
I remember when the Bradley would serve you 12 beers for 1 ID. We would come back with trays of beers to the student section (most of us were only 19 or 20)... but I'm sure the modern day students have figured out ways to consume a ton of beer at games.
EDIT: Also, the girls were uglier when I was in school... they look way better now. I drank more and the girls were ugly. That's the typical argument, isn't it? :-)
Don't disagree with you at all about the partying. However, I have a theory about the girls and their appearances. I don't think that they have really gotten better looking....I just think the things they are wearing has changed. I went to high school during the grunge era so it was big floppy flannel shirts, then by my freshmen year of college the attire started changing and by senior year girls who didn't look good 4 years ago, started looking pretty good. Thats my theory anyway. 80's and 90's doesn't seem like a good era for attractive chicks. ;)
Very true. Sometimes the clothing can dictate what "looks good".
I just think that all alumni think they drank more and now the girls are better looking... when in reality the kids probably drink about the same and the girls look better because we (alumni) are old (er).
Ah well... I hope all of the students are having enough fun and still getting a good education. There are some good book lessons, social lessons and even life lessons in those 4 years.
EDIT: That is a well written article. Great job to the guys who wrote it.
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 15, 2008, 11:43:54 AM
This group enrolled now though has reshaped the race; they seem to pride themselves on how academic it has gotten. 2002mualum, I was talking with 2006 alum last night that felt crowds (student section) were different now as the typical MU student has changed (and this kid has been out for 18 months). I guess after 125 years of adolescence, our little school is all grown up.
I don't know that it is just academics. The generation of kids is just different in a lot of ways compared to the older ones. The old crappy houses that people lived in at MU for years aren't good enough anymore. People want modern, clean, sterile places, with cable and internet...forget the cost. They don't care about having a good place to party or cheap rent for more beer money. I've even heard of people living downtown in new apartments there because they didn't like the options on campus...that never would have happened years ago.
Plus, look at the changes to campus. How many bars were there in the seventies and eighties...even up to the mid nineties? It was double digits for sure up until the end. Now there's what 4, maybe 5? And that's if you count the Annex. How many of the old houses and apartments that gave the place character are gone? How many of the restaurants have been raplced by chains? It will never be the same place when you change all of those things.
Quote from: bma725 on February 15, 2008, 03:02:53 PM
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 15, 2008, 11:43:54 AM
This group enrolled now though has reshaped the race; they seem to pride themselves on how academic it has gotten. 2002mualum, I was talking with 2006 alum last night that felt crowds (student section) were different now as the typical MU student has changed (and this kid has been out for 18 months). I guess after 125 years of adolescence, our little school is all grown up.
I don't know that it is just academics. The generation of kids is just different in a lot of ways compared to the older ones. The old crappy houses that people lived in at MU for years aren't good enough anymore. People want modern, clean, sterile places, with cable and internet...forget the cost. They don't care about having a good place to party or cheap rent for more beer money. I've even heard of people living downtown in new apartments there because they didn't like the options on campus...that never would have happened years ago.
Plus, look at the changes to campus. How many bars were there in the seventies and eighties...even up to the mid nineties? It was double digits for sure up until the end. Now there's what 4, maybe 5? And that's if you count the Annex. How many of the old houses and apartments that gave the place character are gone? How many of the restaurants have been raplced by chains? It will never be the same place when you change all of those things.
What you're saying is that the current kids -- at least the ones you described -- are spoiled, pampered and enabled by their parents.
Quote from: HarveysWallbangers on February 15, 2008, 03:04:35 PM
Quote from: bma725 on February 15, 2008, 03:02:53 PM
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on February 15, 2008, 11:43:54 AM
This group enrolled now though has reshaped the race; they seem to pride themselves on how academic it has gotten. 2002mualum, I was talking with 2006 alum last night that felt crowds (student section) were different now as the typical MU student has changed (and this kid has been out for 18 months). I guess after 125 years of adolescence, our little school is all grown up.
I don't know that it is just academics. The generation of kids is just different in a lot of ways compared to the older ones. The old crappy houses that people lived in at MU for years aren't good enough anymore. People want modern, clean, sterile places, with cable and internet...forget the cost. They don't care about having a good place to party or cheap rent for more beer money. I've even heard of people living downtown in new apartments there because they didn't like the options on campus...that never would have happened years ago.
Plus, look at the changes to campus. How many bars were there in the seventies and eighties...even up to the mid nineties? It was double digits for sure up until the end. Now there's what 4, maybe 5? And that's if you count the Annex. How many of the old houses and apartments that gave the place character are gone? How many of the restaurants have been raplced by chains? It will never be the same place when you change all of those things.
What you're saying is that the current kids -- at least the ones you described -- are spoiled, pampered and enabled by their parents.
Maybe the alumni can refute this; I've heard a couple of professors say that they're surprised at how busy students are these days, specifically with working as much as they do. I would guess about 80% have some kind of job, with around half of upperclassmen working in a "career-oriented" job such as an internship, co-op, etc. Most students probably work in the range of 15-20 hours a week, and many of their jobs are a decent drive away. Was it like this back in the day?