There are a lot of unknowns right now in College Basketball, so there is a chance this game doesn't get played at all, however...
Assuming the game is able to be played I think this Marquette team is up against its biggest test of the year. Is St. John's the best team they've played? Probably not but given the circumstances this would be the best win of the season to this point.
First of all it would be the 1st Conference win of the season. They are also coming off of Christmas break in which they'll likely have to regain some of the conditioning they built up before the break. To add to that they will be traveling to New York, which is difficult in it's own right, but now even moreso with COVID surging. In addition to that, they are almost certainly going to be an underdog on the road. A lot is happening and I'm sure it's a whirlwind for a lot of these young guys.
If they are somehow able to focus on just playing basketball once the ball is tipped and they find a way to come home with a win, I think it deserves some major celebration from us as fans.
Would be a very good win.
I celebrate them all!
If we win by forfeit will C. Ovid Omicron be voted SOTG?
Quote from: lawdog77 on December 27, 2021, 07:48:22 AM
If we win by forfeit will C. Ovid Omicron be voted SOTG?
Forfeits are no longer a thing
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 27, 2021, 08:38:14 AM
Forfeits are no longer a thing
Did not know that. Thanks. Clearly I have spent too much time away from Scoop.
Is this game even going to happen?
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(Actually, I have no idea if this is true; I just saw an opportunity and went for it ... )
Postponed
Quote from: MU82 on December 27, 2021, 09:06:24 AM
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(Actually, I have no idea if this is true; I just saw an opportunity and went for it ... )
Postponed.
https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1475532572767789061
Postponed...
Good grief. This is quickly getting ridiculous
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Not at all surprised. CBB is in big time trouble.
If the Big East wants to be proactive to get as many games in as possible, MU @ Creighton on Wednesday would make a lot of sense.
Looks like Creighton's arena is open that evening. Both programs had their midweek games canceled due to Covid.
Yes, they need to get very creative and flexible with scheduling going forward.
Postponed, forfeited, who cares?
Missed games are missed games. And it's just gonna get worse over the next few weeks, so many will never be replayed.
Very disappointing news. We are on lockdown at our house due to multiple positive covid cases in the family and the game on Wednesday was the one bright spot for the week.
Quote from: Goose on December 27, 2021, 01:34:53 PM
Very disappointing news. We are on lockdown at our house due to multiple positive covid cases in the family and the game on Wednesday was the one bright spot for the week.
Hope everyone is safe and doing OK.
News
A handful of mild cases in the family, all vaccinated and boosted, but laying low for the moment. Easy week to lay low and be extra careful. That said, I think I might limit exposure to big crowds until things get better.
Just play. If people don't want to go or players don't want to play, fine. But they do
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 27, 2021, 12:28:28 PM
Postponed.
https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1475532572767789061
Darn you, Ron Paul!
Seriously ... bummer. Was looking forward to the game.
Until they just let them play with omnicron if they are vaxxed and boosted, this is gonna be a month of postponements and random players missing games.
They won't. And yes.
Postponed means it's put off 'til a later time. With all these postponements, it seems unlikely that all these games will ever be played, given the scheduling difficulties and the constraints of time. Why not be honest and call it a cancellation? Are they trying to not hurt people's feelings?
And why the overreaction? If Omicron causes only mild symptoms, but confers immunity to Covid,
why not let it spread? That would take care of the unvaccinated, and perhaps we'd have a real chance to see the end of this thing.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on December 27, 2021, 02:40:08 PM
Postponed means it's put off 'til a later time. With all these postponements, it seems unlikely that all these games will ever be played, given the scheduling difficulties and the constraints of time. Why not be honest and call it a cancellation? Are they trying to not hurt people's feelings?
And why the overreaction? If Omicron causes only mild symptoms, but confers immunity to Covid,
why not let it spread? That would take care of the unvaccinated, and perhaps we'd have a real chance to see the end of this thing.
I'm no doctor (of medicine that is), but that does not seem to be a good idea. I really don't think anyone knows exactly what's next in line with Covid. Will it combine with other coronaviruses? Here's a good article written even before Omicron spread like wildfire.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03619-8 (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03619-8)
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on December 27, 2021, 02:40:08 PM
Postponed means it's put off 'til a later time. With all these postponements, it seems unlikely that all these games will ever be played, given the scheduling difficulties and the constraints of time. Why not be honest and call it a cancellation? Are they trying to not hurt people's feelings?
And why the overreaction? If Omicron causes only mild symptoms, but confers immunity to Covid,
why not let it spread? That would take care of the unvaccinated, and perhaps we'd have a real chance to see the end of this thing.
Because hospitals are filling up.
Quote from: lawdog77 on December 27, 2021, 02:53:00 PM
I'm no doctor (of medicine that is), but that does not seem to be a good idea. I really don't think anyone knows exactly what's next in line with Covid. Will it combine with other coronaviruses? Here's a good article written even before Omicron spread like wildfire.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03619-8 (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03619-8)
Affirmative. The more spread, the more new mutations and the more chance for one that is even more lethal. We have been relatively lucky on the latter front with Omicron, but we might not be with the next one....
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 27, 2021, 02:57:04 PM
Affirmative. The more spread, the more new mutations and the more chance for one that is even more lethal. We have been relatively lucky on the latter front with Omicron, but we might not be with the next one....
Flatten the curve
Quote from: panda on December 27, 2021, 02:57:40 PM
Flatten the curve
Try to stop spread and replication as much as possible - correct. It reduces the chance of more fatal variants.
In before the lock
Quote from: BM1090 on December 27, 2021, 12:40:59 PM
If the Big East wants to be proactive to get as many games in as possible, MU @ Creighton on Wednesday would make a lot of sense.
Looks like Creighton's arena is open that evening. Both programs had their midweek games canceled due to Covid.
Agreed. And would open both teams up on the weekend of February 20.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on December 27, 2021, 02:40:08 PM
And why the overreaction? If Omicron causes only mild symptoms,
It causes mild symptoms if you have had it before or are vaccinated. Breakthrough cases. The symptoms are the same as the others for the unvaccinated and immuno-compromised. And it is the most contagious so far.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 27, 2021, 03:10:33 PM
Agreed. And would open both teams up on the weekend of February 20.
Creighton wont agree to that unless they can refill that weekend immediately with the game that was just cancelled. At the end of the day C.R.E.A.M. and these games arent empty like last year.
Quote from: jfp61 on December 27, 2021, 03:19:45 PM
Creighton wont agree to that unless they can refill that weekend immediately with the game that was just cancelled. At the end of the day C.R.E.A.M. and these games arent empty like last year.
No need to cancel the game. You can try to schedule someone else later, if not, MU and Creighton just play three times.
Might be the year to split the Big East into West and East for scheduling purposes.
West: Creighton, Marquette, DePaul, Butler, Xavier
East: Georgetown, Providence, St. John's, Villanova, UConn and Seton Hall
Reschedule the BEast so that everyone in their division plays each other, to the extent possible. You play everyone else in the conference once. There may be some odd games and odd scheduling because the conference has 11 teams. The goal would be to keep teams closer to home.
Worth a try if done quickly.
Outdated protocols need to be changed. We don't need to test like it's march 2020.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on December 27, 2021, 02:40:08 PM
Postponed means it's put off 'til a later time. With all these postponements, it seems unlikely that all these games will ever be played, given the scheduling difficulties and the constraints of time. Why not be honest and call it a cancellation? Are they trying to not hurt people's feelings?
And why the overreaction? If Omicron causes only mild symptoms, but confers immunity to Covid,
why not let it spread? That would take care of the unvaccinated, and perhaps we'd have a real chance to see the end of this thing.
And we could finally rid ourselves of a lot of those pesky old folks once and for all..
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 27, 2021, 03:53:35 PM
No need to cancel the game. You can try to schedule someone else later, if not, MU and Creighton just play three times.
Way too logical, Brew.
Quote from: Jockey on December 27, 2021, 04:10:03 PM
Way too logical, Brew.
Marquette already plays Creighton on Saturday in Milwaukee.
No way they'd want to play twice in the same week.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 27, 2021, 04:13:26 PM
Marquette already plays Creighton on Saturday in Milwaukee.
No way they'd want to play twice in the same week.
Makes scouting easier.
I doubt it happens but it should. If the focus is on getting games in, it makes perfect sense.
Ask the TarHeels for another game. Or Duke.
CDC has reduced recommended isolation time from 10 days down to 5 today.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 27, 2021, 04:28:57 PM
CDC has reduced recommended isolation time from 10 days down to 5 today.
For people who aren't symptomatic.
This is just the first of many. We've got 6(maybe more) breakthroughs at my work. Everyone is fully vaxed or boosted. Omicron doesn't care. Gonna he a really long or really short season
Quote from: seakm4 on December 27, 2021, 04:43:25 PM
Omicron doesn't care.
All that really needs to be said.
wth seems like every team in the league has covid issues right now.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on December 27, 2021, 02:40:08 PM
Postponed means it's put off 'til a later time. With all these postponements, it seems unlikely that all these games will ever be played, given the scheduling difficulties and the constraints of time. Why not be honest and call it a cancellation? Are they trying to not hurt people's feelings?
And why the overreaction? If Omicron causes only mild symptoms, but confers immunity to Covid,
why not let it spread? That would take care of the unvaccinated, and perhaps we'd have a real chance to see the end of this thing.
They don't want it to end, hey?
Everyone wants it to end. The virus doesn't care.
Quote from: panda on December 27, 2021, 04:01:05 PM
Outdated protocols need to be changed. We don't need to test like it's march 2020.
I agree. But don't say "flatten the curve" because it isn't flattened.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 27, 2021, 03:00:20 PM
Try to stop spread and replication as much as possible - correct. It reduces the chance of more fatal variants.
People have to get vaccinated to end the pandemic.
Wrong. Why are sport teams, for example, who are vaccinated, continuing to get covid? I wish the vaccines worked great...they don't. They lessen symptoms and hospitalizations, but they don't eliminate the disease. There is, fortunately, a phenomenon called "herd immunity" and that's our best hope, aina?
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 27, 2021, 04:25:19 PM
Ask the TarHeels for another game. Or Duke.
They took Theo last year, you want them to take Justin this year?!?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 27, 2021, 07:56:49 PM
Wrong. Why are sport teams, for example, who are vaccinated, continuing to get covid? I wish the vaccines worked great...they don't. They lessen symptoms and hospitalizations, but they don't eliminate the disease. There is, fortunately, a phenomenon called "herd immunity" and that's our best hope, aina?
They also lessen the likelihood of contracting it and spreading it. You're skipping over some information which is intellectually dishonest and trying to spin it to suit your sided message.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 27, 2021, 07:56:49 PM
Wrong. Why are sport teams, for example, who are vaccinated, continuing to get covid? I wish the vaccines worked great...they don't. They lessen symptoms and hospitalizations, but they don't eliminate the disease. There is, fortunately, a phenomenon called "herd immunity" and that's our best hope, aina?
And mouthwash
Do I think people don't want the pandemic to end? No, that's lunacy.
However, I do think there are WILDLY different opinions/comforts/complacencies with how long till it ends, what is or isn't ok until it's over, and what post pandemic "should" look like. That can often read like not wanting it to end IMO.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 27, 2021, 08:04:21 PM
And mouthwash
Good point Rico Carty or Rico Petrocelli. Speaking as a medical professional (eat chit, jes) it is well known that molecular iodine rinses kill viruses, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 27, 2021, 07:56:49 PM
Wrong. Why are sport teams, for example, who are vaccinated, continuing to get covid? I wish the vaccines worked great...they don't. They lessen symptoms and hospitalizations, but they don't eliminate the disease. There is, fortunately, a phenomenon called "herd immunity" and that's our best hope, aina?
This is correct.
People should get vaccinated - it lowers your chances of death or hospitalization.
Contrary to what many have said, though, the vaccines we currently have don't appear to have the ability to stop people from getting infected. The original numbers we saw (95% effective) were either exaggerated or temporary or both.
Quote from: seakm4 on December 27, 2021, 04:43:25 PM
For people who aren't symptomatic.
This is just the first of many. We've got 6(maybe more) breakthroughs at my work. Everyone is fully vaxed or boosted. Omicron doesn't care. Gonna he a really long or really short season
Same. 8 people where I work (all asymptomatic) tested positive and are fully vaxed and boosted.
Vaccination does nothing to prevent one from being a carrier/spreader. Yes, it likely means lesser (if any) effects from the virus. Those who have not been vaccinated put themselves at risk for more serious consequences from the virus, but to call it a pandemic of the non-vaccinated is erroneous.
My friend's son (an ER doc), had Covid in 2020, had two shots, and then a booster, and has tested positive for Covid again. No symptoms, thankfully.
Like the honey badger, Covid don't care. Looks like it's going to be around for the foreseeable.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 27, 2021, 07:05:51 PM
I agree. But don't say "flatten the curve" because it isn't flattened.
I was being facetious
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 27, 2021, 08:10:14 PM
This is correct.
People should get vaccinated - it lowers your chances of death or hospitalization.
Contrary to what many have said, though, the vaccines we currently have don't appear to have the ability to stop people from getting infected. The original numbers we saw (95% effective) were either exaggerated or temporary or both.
Not really it is called evolution and not enough people around the world and sadly not enough in the US where vaccine is available have gotten the vaccine. Variants make the virus adapt to the vaccine. Incredible that some "doctors" want the so called herd immunity which would mean near 2 million dead in US. The true herd immunity would be reached when enough people get vaccinated and the virus can't evolved. Natural immunity does not help you with Delta or Omicron.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on December 27, 2021, 08:29:16 PM
Vaccination does nothing to prevent one from being a carrier/spreader. Yes, it likely means lesser (if any) effects from the virus. Those who have not been vaccinated put themselves at risk for more serious consequences from the virus, but to call it a pandemic of the non-vaccinated is erroneous.
My friend's son (an ER doc), had Covid in 2020, had two shots, and then a booster, and has tested positive for Covid again. No symptoms, thankfully.
Like the honey badger, Covid don't care. Looks like it's going to be around for the foreseeable.
"COVID-19 vaccines are effective at protecting people from COVID-19 and help keep adults and
children from getting seriously sick. COVID-19 vaccines can reduce the risk of people spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. Getting everyone ages 5 years and older vaccinated can help the entire family, including siblings who are not eligible for vaccination and family members who may be at risk of getting very sick if they are infected."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html#:~:text=COVID%2D19%20vaccines%20can,if%20they%20are%20infected.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 27, 2021, 07:56:49 PM
Wrong. Why are sport teams, for example, who are vaccinated, continuing to get covid? I wish the vaccines worked great...they don't. They lessen symptoms and hospitalizations, but they don't eliminate the disease. There is, fortunately, a phenomenon called "herd immunity" and that's our best hope, aina?
"Health care professional"
People who have had Covid before may be at greater risk than those who are vaccinated.
You've been saying this line for 18 months. 800,000 Americans dead and you still trot it out? What a joke.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 27, 2021, 04:28:57 PM
CDC has reduced recommended isolation time from 10 days down to 5 today.
#SCIENCE, aina? Lol
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 27, 2021, 08:10:14 PM
This is correct.
People should get vaccinated - it lowers your chances of death or hospitalization.
Contrary to what many have said, though, the vaccines we currently have don't appear to have the ability to stop people from getting infected. The original numbers we saw (95% effective) were either exaggerated or temporary or both.
Or didn't anticipate omicron. But those who are vaccinated are still way better off.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 27, 2021, 04:28:57 PM
CDC has reduced recommended isolation time from 10 days down to 5 today.
Which is smart.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 27, 2021, 10:37:33 PM
#SCIENCE, aina? Lol
So they're still learning about a brand new virus? Shocking. Forget science, these people are clearly incompetent.
Quote from: BLM on December 27, 2021, 10:54:53 PM
So they're still learning about a brand new virus? Shocking. Forget science, these people are clearly incompetent.
Then every statement should come with a huge disclaimer such as "we don't have an effin clue but 5 seems better than 10"
I see warning signs / disclaimers all over the place, but when it comes to covid there are many who simply demand "follow the science"
Just be honest. They don't have answers
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 27, 2021, 07:56:49 PM
Wrong. Why are sport teams, for example, who are vaccinated, continuing to get covid? I wish the vaccines worked great...they don't. They lessen symptoms and hospitalizations, but they don't eliminate the disease. There is, fortunately, a phenomenon called "herd immunity" and that's our best hope, aina?
That's how vaccines work. They lessen the symptoms and prevent severe illness. Nothing more, nothing less. People need to get past the fact that you can inhale the virus wether you are vaccinated or not. You can carry it during the incubation phase even if you are vaccinated. The vaccinated people just do a better job of getting rid of it without major symptoms. It would have been the same with measles or any other virus if we tested people as much when those vaccines came out.
Unfortunately people who won't get vaccinated are getting really sick and it emphasizes every day why we need to protect them from themselves. If everyone was vaccinated the curve would be so low normal life would be attainable. But because of misinformation many people won't get vaccinated and these protocols are still in place for their protection. They want their lives to get back to normal but they choose to risk their lives daily. It's really strange. They are trying to bend logic for reasons they don't even know or at least can't defend logically.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 27, 2021, 11:03:08 PM
Then every statement should come with a huge disclaimer such as "we don't have an effin clue but 5 seems better than 10"
I see warning signs / disclaimers all over the place, but when it comes to covid there are many who simply demand "follow the science"
Just be honest. They don't have answers
"They" have never claimed to have complete answers.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 27, 2021, 11:17:07 PM
"They" have never claimed to have complete answers.
They don't disclaim that they're clueless, while making others disclaim nonstop. "Follow the science!" should be "our ever-changing thinking is currently that.... but that has and likely will again change in a significant way. We just don't know."
It's similar to your posts. Every one should start off with, "I'm an idiot, but here's what I think..."
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 27, 2021, 11:23:51 PM
They don't disclaim that they're clueless, while making others disclaim nonstop. "Follow the science!" should be "our ever-changing thinking is currently that.... but that has and likely will again change in a significant way. We just don't know."
It's similar to your posts. Every one should start off with, "I'm an idiot, but here's what I think..."
"They" are constantly saying "we just don't know." "They" are giving the best information they have. If "you" don't want to trust them and "you" want to risk your own well being because "you" are smarter than everyone, "you" go right ahead. That's nothing new there. But "you" and people like "you" are why kids can't "just play if they want to. Don't if they don't." "We" will never get past this because people don't follow "their" guidelines.
"Their" willingness to change "their" guidelines as "they" learn more is a very good thing.
But it is absolutely wild that "they" would err on the cautious side of things when it comes to a new deadly virus.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on December 27, 2021, 07:25:13 PM
People have to get vaccinated to end the pandemic.
They should get vaccinated for sure but there are countries with very high vaccination rates that are getting significant resurgences. And the length these vaccines are effective may be shorter than originally thought. We may be looking at bi or tri-annual boosters for future variants to be as protected as possible, who really knows?
I think the narrative has to change and we have to accept it's endemic and will be more potent certain seasons like the flu. It's also pretty clear that if people aren't vaccinated by now they have no plans to get vaccinated. Now maybe the unvaccinated will take the pills that are coming on the market and that will help? Nevertheless, there is no indication that vaccines can eliminate covid like polio or small pox.
Quote from: BLM on December 27, 2021, 11:29:12 PM
"They" are constantly saying "we just don't know." "They" are giving the best information they have. If "you" don't want to trust them and "you" want to risk your own well being because "you" are smarter than everyone, "you" go right ahead. That's nothing new there. But "you" and people like "you" are why kids can't "just play if they want to. Don't if they don't." "We" will never get past this because people don't follow "their" guidelines.
"Their" willingness to change "their" guidelines as "they" learn more is a very good thing.
But it is absolutely wild that "they" would err on the cautious side of things when it comes to a new deadly virus.
Why 5 days instead of 10? Why not 6? Or 4?
It's nonsense.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 27, 2021, 11:34:53 PM
Why 5 days instead of 10? Why not 6? Or 4?
It's nonsense.
Do what you want to. You know better than "them."
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 27, 2021, 11:17:07 PM
"They" have never claimed to have complete answers.
But to Jay Bee's point (although I don't know why he's hostile and attacking you) there have been many totally random public health decisions with regards to Covid that have nothing to do with "the science". Including masking a 3 yr old but not a two year old on a plane. This 5 day vs 10 day seems like one of those random non data decisions. Data takes time to accumulate and honestly we know so little about omicron right now other than it's more contagious than other variants.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 27, 2021, 11:23:51 PM
They don't disclaim that they're clueless, while making others disclaim nonstop. "Follow the science!" should be "our ever-changing thinking is currently that.... but that has and likely will again change in a significant way. We just don't know."
It's similar to your posts. Every one should start off with, "I'm an idiot, but here's what I think..."
Ah yes. Insulting instead of actually proving your point. So very JB.
Anyway "they" have never claimed to be 100% right. But "they" have been more right than wrong. By a long shot.
And I thought you weren't going to post here any longer. And you actually made a big deal about it. Yet no one really cared that you were gone.
Back here with your tail between your legs aniina?
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 27, 2021, 11:40:02 PM
But to Jaybee's point (although I don't know why he's hostile and attacking you) there have been many totally random public health decisions with regards to Covid that have nothing to do with "the science". Including masking a 3 yr old but not a two year old on a plane. This 5 day vs 10 day seems like one of those random non data decisions. Data takes time to accumulate and honestly we know so little about omicron right now other than it's more contagious than other variants.
The movement from 10 to 5 days is firmly rooted in science. If you don't understand that, you should read more.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 27, 2021, 11:42:55 PM
The movement from 10 to 5 days is firmly rooted in science. If you don't understand that, you should read more.
So the 10 day quarantine was "rooted in science" and now the 5 day is "rooted is science"? Gotcha. Makes perfect sense.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 27, 2021, 11:54:05 PM
So the 10 day quarantine was "rooted in science" and now the 5 day is "rooted is science"? Gotcha. Makes perfect sense.
Lol. Do you understand what "science" is? It isn't perfectly known at any given time. So ten days made sense when it wasn't perfectly known. As knowledge is gained, five days with a negative antigen test makes sense.
Don't you think we know now more than we did 18 months ago?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 28, 2021, 12:08:06 AM
Lol. Do you understand what "science" is? It isn't perfectly known at any given time. So ten days made sense when it wasn't perfectly known. As knowledge is gained, five days with a negative antigen test makes sense.
Don't you think we know now more than we did 18 months ago?
Uhh...yes I do Fluffy. And no sht we know more now than we did 18 mos ago but that doesn't change the fact that we have always had asymptomatic positives with every variant. Nothing is "perfectly known" especially how long one has had covid before they are actually tested positive. So whether you are vaccinated or unvaccinated, if you are asymptomatic and test positive, there is no way to know whether it's your 1st day of having it or you have had it for much longer.
You could literally take a test for the purpose of being safe with family, get a negative test, and then with no symptoms the next day have the virus. In order to be "safe" you would have to test constantly, maybe twice a day. So while the ability of spreading the virus is always greater soon after initial symptoms, this does not take into account asymptomatic spread. Asymptomatic people are spreading omicron, not just the sick or unvaccinated.
No, I don't think you know what science is.
Read this and report back to me Mugs. This is basically why they went to five days plus negative antigen test for isolation.
https://twitter.com/ashishkjha/status/1475138732424822789
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 27, 2021, 08:10:07 PM
Good point Rico Carty or Rico Petrocelli. Speaking as a medical professional (eat chit, jes) it is well known that molecular iodine rinses kill viruses, hey?
Bleach kills viruses too, ai'na?
Quote from: DoctorV on December 27, 2021, 07:59:32 PM
They took Theo last year, you want them to take Justin this year?!?
No, you have it wrong, it is so MU can poach North Carolina.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 27, 2021, 11:54:05 PM
So the 10 day quarantine was "rooted in science" and now the 5 day is "rooted is science"? Gotcha. Makes perfect sense.
Actually, Muggs, like most of the CDC's decisions, the 5-day is rooted in politics and economics.
The aim is to not bankrupt as many small businesses and allow the hospitals to try and maintain adequate staffing (what you will not read about is the labor shortages caused by the unscientific, illegal vaccine mandates which caused many to lose their jobs).
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 27, 2021, 11:54:05 PM
So the 10 day quarantine was "rooted in science" and now the 5 day is "rooted is science"? Gotcha. Makes perfect sense.
Its almost as if science changes with more information. Its almost the nature of science.
CDC was sticking with 10 days. Private businesses and sports league (NFL and NBA) hired intendent doctors and evaluators to allow vaccinated people, without symptoms, who test negative, to return to society within 5 days instead of 10. CDC revaluated there policy. And the CDC readjusted there protocols for the airlines and other business who follow their guidelines.
Quote from: jfp61 on December 28, 2021, 10:20:38 AM
Its almost as if science changes with more information. Its almost the nature of science.
CDC was sticking with 10 days. Private businesses and sports league (NFL and NBA) hired intendent doctors and evaluators to allow vaccinated people, without symptoms, who test negative, to return to society within 5 days instead of 10. CDC revaluated there policy. And the CDC readjusted there protocols for the airlines and other business who follow their guidelines.
I don't buy it! Tea with honey should be the only treatment for pneumonia. It worked for thousands of years until the science nerds ruined it with "more information".
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 27, 2021, 11:42:55 PM
The movement from 10 to 5 days is firmly rooted in science. If you don't understand that, you should read more.
and of course your boy Fauci...IS SCIENCE!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 27, 2021, 07:56:49 PM
Wrong. Why are sport teams, for example, who are vaccinated, continuing to get covid? I wish the vaccines worked great...they don't. They lessen symptoms and hospitalizations, but they don't eliminate the disease. There is, fortunately, a phenomenon called "herd immunity" and that's our best hope, aina?
There is no such thing as herd immunity, because the virus will keep mutating just like the common cold.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on December 28, 2021, 09:44:59 AM
Actually, Muggs, like most of the CDC's decisions, the 5-day is rooted in politics and economics.
The aim is to not bankrupt as many small businesses and allow the hospitals to try and maintain adequate staffing (what you will not read about is the labor shortages caused by the unscientific, illegal vaccine mandates which caused many to lose their jobs).
Hospitals being understaffed is the correct answer to the drop in quarantine days.
Quote from: bilsu on December 28, 2021, 11:22:23 AM
There is no such thing as herd immunity, because the virus will keep mutating just like the common cold.
Huh? The common cold is literally the definition of herd immunity. Our bodies are so adapted to fighting it, it's a completely minimal disease.
Unless you have no immune system, then it'll kill you.
I can hardly wait until Covid is no more dangerous than the common cold.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 28, 2021, 11:31:35 AM
I can hardly wait until Covid is no more dangerous than the common cold.
Hopefully omnicron is close to that. So far I've only seem 1 recorded death in the US, UK, and Australia each.
Quote from: #UnleashKolek on December 28, 2021, 11:30:28 AM
Huh? The common cold is literally the definition of herd immunity. Our bodies are so adapted to fighting it, it's a completely minimal disease.
Unless you have no immune system, then it'll kill you.
Correct, hey?
Quote from: #UnleashKolek on December 28, 2021, 11:30:28 AM
Huh? The common cold is literally the definition of herd immunity. Our bodies are so adapted to fighting it, it's a completely minimal disease.
Unless you have no immune system, then it'll kill you.
You have immunity against the cold you have this week. The problem is during the typical cold season there are about 50 different cold viruses circulating, so you can catch a different cold every week. We all know there are head colds and chest colds and some are worse than others. Depending on how much one strain of covid differs from the strain you already had effects the amount of immunity you have. There is no such thing as heard immunity against viruses, because viruses keep changing. That is also why vaccines are not 100% full proof. I am triple vaccinated, but I understand I can still get sick. Hopefully, if I do the vaccination keeps me from getting too sick.
My 11 year old granddaughter's best friend's dad just died from covid. The parents were anti-vaxers and were not going to let the government tell them what to do. He died at age 53, so I guess the government won.
Quote from: #UnleashKolek on December 28, 2021, 11:34:12 AM
Hopefully omnicron is close to that. So far I've only seem 1 recorded death in the US, UK, and Australia each.
I fear the omicron is just suckering people into not taking covid seriously. Omicron's mutation into the next strain can be much more dangerous and catch more people off guard.
This thread sure became fun. Carry on!
My 11 year old granddaughter's best friend's dad just died from covid. The parents were anti-vaxers and were not going to let the government tell them what to do. He died at age 53, so I guess the government won.
Bilsu,
What is above is the saddest part of all this. Never needed to happen. I'm glad seat belt laws were not implemented in this political environment. Many more people would die or be seriously injured in car accidents under the guise of freedom. People are way overthinking this.
Shooter
That is horrible news. I know a number of anti-vaxers and wonder why they still are taking an unneeded risk, IMO.
Quote from: Goose on December 28, 2021, 12:14:31 PM
Shooter
That is horrible news. I know a number of anti-vaxers and wonder why they still are taking an unneeded risk, IMO.
Goose I was only quoting bilsu's paragraph. But agree it is horrible and i think we all have or will have similar experiences unfortunately.
Main reason it went from 10 to 5, is the newer strains are reaching peak infectiousness sooner (2/3 days vs. 4/5). Working in a hospital, seeing COVID patients, I agree with the new guidelines. With vaccines, there's no reason for asymptomatic to stay home, if they have a negative ANTIGEN test. PCR will test positive for weeks sometimes. Our biggest problem is we don't have enough antigen tests right now.
Quote from: MUDPT on December 28, 2021, 12:36:29 PM
Main reason it went from 10 to 5, is the newer strains are reaching peak infectiousness sooner (2/3 days vs. 4/5). Working in a hospital, seeing COVID patients, I agree with the new guidelines. With vaccines, there's no reason for asymptomatic to stay home, if they have a negative ANTIGEN test. PCR will test positive for weeks sometimes. Our biggest problem is we don't have enough antigen tests right now.
Oh ... you and your facts and your science and your real-world experience.
Quote from: tower912 on December 27, 2021, 05:57:29 PM
Everyone wants it to end. The virus doesn't care.
Yep.
Quote from: bilsu on December 28, 2021, 11:54:44 AM
I fear the omicron is just suckering people into not taking covid seriously. Omicron's mutation into the next strain can be much more dangerous and catch more people off guard.
And double yep. Everyone who thinks we can "just all get omicron and be fine" is forgetting that more transmission means more mutation. They are also ignoring the fact that hospitals and healthcare providers are completely overwhelmed the way it is. If omicron were so innocuous, hospitals would not be overwhelmed like this.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 27, 2021, 11:03:08 PM
Then every statement should come with a huge disclaimer such as "we don't have an effin clue but 5 seems better than 10"
I see warning signs / disclaimers all over the place, but when it comes to covid there are many who simply demand "follow the science"
Just be honest. They don't have answers
Real scientists give the best answer they can based on the available data. That's why, as the data evolves and the virus mutates, the recommendations change.
I would be far more worried about recommendations that stayed the same from beginning to end of the pandemic. That would be a clear indication that scientists are not learning as new data becomes available.
Keep "following the science" of the CDC , lol
73%! Ooops, actually 22.5%. Science changed, or they are effin idiots?
What a joke. Can't believe jack about what they say.
CDC learned more about what was going on, and changed its public statement to reflect it. It's never ideal for people who want a single, static, non-changing answer. But it's how science works.
When I was in college at MU, the big disease that scared everyone was aids. Aids is still around, we just got better at treating it.
Covid will probably never go away, but we have and will still get better at treating it.
I love going on cruises, but I do not think I will ever get on a cruise ship again.
I have not gotten covid due partly to luck and partly to being smart.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 28, 2021, 04:50:41 PM
CDC learned more about what was going on, and changed its public statement to reflect it. It's never ideal for people who want a single, static, non-changing answer. But it's how science works.
Chopping 73% down to under 23% is not a good look.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 28, 2021, 05:06:46 PM
Chopping 73% down to under 23% is not a good look.
No, it is not a good look. But it is good science to publicly acknowledge it.
It wasn't a "good look" back in the 80s when we realized that you could not get AIDS from shaking an infected person's hand or sitting on a toilet seat after an infected person had. But good scientists acknowledged the incorrect earlier assumptions as the data evolved. That's simply how it works....
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on December 28, 2021, 09:44:59 AM
Actually, Muggs, like most of the CDC's decisions, the 5-day is rooted in politics and economics.
The aim is to not bankrupt as many small businesses and allow the hospitals to try and maintain adequate staffing (what you will not read about is the labor shortages caused by the unscientific, illegal vaccine mandates which caused many to lose their jobs).
Lol
No.
#endoftimes
Quote from: Goose on December 28, 2021, 12:14:31 PM
Shooter
That is horrible news. I know a number of anti-vaxers and wonder why they still are taking an unneeded risk, IMO.
I know people in the 30-50 age range not vax'd. I asked one why, and she said she'd rather rely on her own immune system than a vaccine where long-term effects are an unknown. Hence, which way is the risk?
Quote from: Viper on December 28, 2021, 06:36:59 PM
I know people in the 30-50 age range not vax'd. I asked one why, and she said she'd rather rely on her own immune system than a vaccine where long-term effects are an unknown. Hence, which way is the risk?
Anyone worried about 'long-term effects' of an mRNA vaccine clearly doesn't understand how they work.
It's almost Wednesday. Is the game cancelled or postponed? Does anybody care. I miss Chicos.
Quote from: Viper on December 28, 2021, 06:36:59 PM
I know people in the 30-50 age range not vax'd. I asked one why, and she said she'd rather rely on her own immune system than a vaccine where long-term effects are an unknown. Hence, which way is the risk?
Anyone afraid of the vaccine should be afraid of covid.
Quote from: bilsu on December 28, 2021, 07:10:43 PM
Anyone afraid of the vaccine should be afraid of covid.
100% correct. Everyday there are thousands of unnecessary deaths in the US.
I reiterate, people are overthinking it. If you have had any vaccines you know they prevent unnecessary illness or worst case, deaths. People are literally choosing to end their life early daily. It is dumbfounding.
If you're pro-vaccine then you hate baby Jesus because God made you as he wished. Stop the nonsense!!!!
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 28, 2021, 07:49:16 PM
If you're pro-vaccine then you hate baby Jesus because God made you as he wished. Stop the nonsense!!!!
Shut it down
I just got Covid 2x over the course of 3 weeks.
Yes the science says it shouldn't be done, but my body says otherwise.
It's a new bug, no one really knows anything about it for sure, outside of the fact that it sucks arse.
No one is trying to fool you, including the CDC and Fauci. If you think they are I won't pass judgement but perhaps just take a step back and think it through.
No one is trying to poison you with a vaccine, either.
If you think they are I won't pass judgement but perhaps just take a step back and think it through.
Now that that's out of the way- if you dont want to take a vaccine because of the unknown, or possible future dangers, or because ain't no one telling you what to do, or because your body is your temple and it'll fight the thing off- well I don't agree with you but I don't have to, I see your logic.
At the end of the day was are all only responsible for ourselves so whatever comes of our decision is our cross to bear.
That said, you can't even start to argue that the thing doesn't spread like wildfire, or that it doesn't kill (even if you want to qualify that with 'you have to be old or weak'). You also can't argue that you then become a bigger risk/danger to those in the above mentioned groups.
Not sure where I was going with this but I'm glad I got it in before the lock.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 28, 2021, 07:49:16 PM
If you're pro-vaccine then you hate baby Jesus because God made you as he wished. Stop the nonsense!!!!
Is it this vaccine or all vaccines Jay Bee? Just curious. I'm trying to understand the logic.
I can't embed this or else I'd have to ban myself or lock the thread. So click at your own risk.
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I hate doing this since I'm just prolonging a thread derailment but for those of you who do not believe the CDC is a believable authority for guidance on COVID precautions, who or what do you rely on for guidance?
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Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on December 28, 2021, 09:26:22 PM
I hate doing this since I'm just prolonging a thread derailment but for those of you who do not believe the CDC is a believable authority for guidance on COVID precautions, who or what do you rely on for guidance?
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BeeJay is my go to source for...well, everything.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on December 28, 2021, 09:26:22 PM
I hate doing this since I'm just prolonging a thread derailment but for those of you who do not believe the CDC is a believable authority for guidance on COVID precautions, who or what do you rely on for guidance?
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My doctor for one.
Medical research from multiple independent sources, for another, including drug companies, universities and publication of results from around the world.
Ultimately, every predication model has assumptions that must be disclosed and validated. Too often, the government's predictions are dire and the assumptions vague. It is as if they are trying to scare the hell out of everybody, consequences be damned.
Also, it is one thing for the CDC and Infectious Disease Centers to comment on disease prevention. It is completely another thing for the CDC to void contracts with foreclosure moratoriums and the like.
P.S. — I'm fully vaccinated and boosted.
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 28, 2021, 09:51:20 PM
My doctor for one.
Medical research from multiple independent sources, for another, including drug companies, universities and publication of results from around the world.
Ultimately, every predication model has assumptions that must be disclosed and validated. Too often, the government's predictions are dire and the assumptions vague. It is as if they are trying to scare the hell out of everybody, consequences be damned.
Also, it is one thing for the CDC and Infectious Disease Centers to comment on disease prevention. It is completely another thing for the CDC to void contracts with foreclosure moratoriums and the like.
P.S. — I'm fully vaccinated and boosted.
There is so much nuance in medicine, everything is gray. And unfortunately during the pandemic, you either have to be black and white for some weird reason.
Masks work, but some masks work better than others.
Vaccines prevent transmission, but don't do it 100%.
You should quarantine for 10 days or 5 days.
I love this conversation, because I don't really believe the CDC cares much for people that are arguing any of this stuff. The CDC cares more about people who aren't vaccinated, don't know the reason behind wearing masks or doesn't even know what COVID symptoms are to isolate themselves. Trust me, there are a lot of these people out there. The fact that anyone on either "side" has spent time in thinking or reading about any of this stuff, is way more then a lot of people.
As for MUBB, test to stay is how it should be after the 5 day quarantine with a positive test. The 10 day mandatory isolation is way over the top.
This thread causes brain cells to die. We are dealing with a "novel" virus and learning as we go. In Johns Hopkins Medical School I believe, while not always right when in doubt rely on the people who have been studying viruses and pandemics, not football quarterbacks, former pro wrestlers who do podcasts, or politicians trying to make points against the other team. If we are unwilling to work together as a society, try not to infect me.
Quote from: BLM on December 28, 2021, 07:12:45 AM
Bleach kills viruses too, ai'na?
umm, yes it does, the ADA initially recommended a couple drops of iodine or betadine or bleach(diluted sodium hypochlorite) in glass of water-rinse pre op for dentists. also hydrogen peroxide or chlorhexidine. you know what they use in public drinking water to purify? chlorine(sodium hypochlorite) what do they put into swimming pools to disinfect all the piss you are swimming in? chlorine(sodium hypochlorite) ya think anyone gets any pool water in their mouths? some have even swallowed it and lived-gasp!
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on December 28, 2021, 11:53:30 PM
umm, yes it does, the ADA initially recommended a couple drops of iodine or betadine or bleach(diluted sodium hypochlorite) in glass of water-rinse pre op for dentists. also hydrogen peroxide or chlorhexidine. you know what they use in public drinking water to purify? chlorine(sodium hypochlorite) what do they put into swimming pools to disinfect all the piss you are swimming in? chlorine(sodium hypochlorite) ya think anyone gets any pool water in their mouths? some have even swallowed it and lived-gasp!
9 of 10 for missing the obvious
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 28, 2021, 07:32:12 PM
100% correct. Everyday there are thousands of unnecessary deaths in the US.
I reiterate, people are overthinking it. If you have had any vaccines you know they prevent unnecessary illness or worst case, deaths. People are literally choosing to end their life early daily. It is dumbfounding.
My doctor's exact words yesterday when I visited for a routine appointment.
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on December 28, 2021, 11:53:30 PM
umm, yes it does, the ADA initially recommended a couple drops of iodine or betadine or bleach(diluted sodium hypochlorite) in glass of water-rinse pre op for dentists. also hydrogen peroxide or chlorhexidine. you know what they use in public drinking water to purify? chlorine(sodium hypochlorite) what do they put into swimming pools to disinfect all the piss you are swimming in? chlorine(sodium hypochlorite) ya think anyone gets any pool water in their mouths? some have even swallowed it and lived-gasp!
Perfect!
Fill those syringes with Lysol and get the jab -- the better to get those healing chemicals right into the lungs, just as your demented hero wanted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLjNSFxluTs
(The look on Birx's face was one of the most precious moments of 2020.)
I know that the BE is the clearing house for rescheduling conference games, but does anyone here know if BE teams are looking for substitute opponents from other conferences when their BE opponent is paused due to Covid? We need games more than other BE teams so that we can get experience for our freshmen. I was hoping that an alternative game would be worked out for tonight, but days went by with no info from MU.
Wish we had a game tonight. Winter is boring AF.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 29, 2021, 08:12:32 AM
I know that the BE is the clearing house for rescheduling conference games, but does anyone here know if BE teams are looking for substitute opponents from other conferences when their BE opponent is paused due to Covid? We need games more than other BE teams so that we can get experience for our freshmen. I was hoping that an alternative game would be worked out for tonight, but days went by with no info from MU.
With games no longer being forfeited (and ideally rescheduled), you can't really find other opponents until you're certain that you won't get your 20 game schedule in. To me, its obvious that will eventually happen (not getting 20 BE games in), but for now, you can't really replace games that there is still time to make up.
Quote from: DoctorV on December 28, 2021, 09:03:23 PM
I just got Covid 2x over the course of 3 weeks.
Yes the science says it shouldn't be done, but my body says otherwise.
It's a new bug, no one really knows anything about it for sure, outside of the fact that it sucks arse.
No one is trying to fool you, including the CDC and Fauci. If you think they are I won't pass judgement but perhaps just take a step back and think it through.
No one is trying to poison you with a vaccine, either.
If you think they are I won't pass judgement but perhaps just take a step back and think it through.
Now that that's out of the way- if you dont want to take a vaccine because of the unknown, or possible future dangers, or because ain't no one telling you what to do, or because your body is your temple and it'll fight the thing off- well I don't agree with you but I don't have to, I see your logic.
At the end of the day was are all only responsible for ourselves so whatever comes of our decision is our cross to bear.
That said, you can't even start to argue that the thing doesn't spread like wildfire, or that it doesn't kill (even if you want to qualify that with 'you have to be old or weak'). You also can't argue that you then become a bigger risk/danger to those in the above mentioned groups.
Not sure where I was going with this but I'm glad I got it in before the lock.
Congratulations on coming through to the other side. And thank you for your perspective.
Petition to move this to the covid board?
Quote from: MU82 on December 29, 2021, 07:30:53 AM
Perfect!
Fill those syringes with Lysol and get the jab -- the better to get those healing chemicals right into the lungs, just as your demented hero wanted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLjNSFxluTs
(The look on Birx's face was one of the most precious moments of 2020.)
just when i didn't think you were this stupid 82...use your head and quit trying to be funny cuz you ain't. you get your subliminal political points in with the subtlety of a bull elephant in heat.
there are varying amounts, dosages and mixes of ingredient that do have beneficial and therapeutic effects. taken at face value, i.e. fish tank, chlorox, animal doses of ivermectin are dangerous as overdosing on heroin. there are therapeutic doses of peroxide, iodine, betadine, sodium hypochlorite and yes, even hydroxy, regimines that need to be determined by a doctor, drug combinations, that are antiviral, anti inflammatory meds, antibiotics that fight opportunistic infections, and much more that should supercede these vaccines which may only be a small part of the antidote.
we should be preaching better health(obesity), diets and exercise as well, but in todays world, everyone is afraid to "shame" someone. hell, we can't even establish what is male and female
we re not going to vaccinate ourselves out of this problem. the virus is mutating and changing faster than we can get vaccines out. need to open our eyes and ears to epidemiologists, biochemists, pharmacists to get to the real root virulence of this critter
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on December 29, 2021, 11:32:33 AM
the virus is mutating and changing faster than we can get vaccines out.
Absolutely false. We can get a new vaccine rolling in a couple of weeks if needed. It's currently not.
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on December 29, 2021, 11:32:33 AM
we should be preaching better health(obesity), diets and exercise as well, but in todays world, everyone is afraid to "shame" someone. hell, we can't even establish what is male and female.
Gender has nothing to do with obesity so I have no idea why you brought that up.
And shaming people doesn't really work either. I am all for investing more into getting people to live healthier lifestyles, but that will mean a carrot and stick approach involving government and insurance company intervention. Which a lot of people don't seem to like.
I mean, I think a government sponsored Covid vaccination plan giving $$ to those vaccinated and penalties to those who aren't, would do wonders for health, but my guess is that is against your freedoms or something.
Quote from: #UnleashKolek on December 29, 2021, 11:37:55 AM
Absolutely false. We can get a new vaccine rolling in a couple of weeks if needed. It's currently not.
Exactly. What we have now works! It keeps people from hospitalizations and dying.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 29, 2021, 09:09:09 AM
With games no longer being forfeited (and ideally rescheduled), you can't really find other opponents until you're certain that you won't get your 20 game schedule in. To me, its obvious that will eventually happen (not getting 20 BE games in), but for now, you can't really replace games that there is still time to make up.
I was not referring to conference games (that is a separate issue) but rather negotiated OOC games in lieu of not playing at all on the date when a game was scheduled (or close to the date). Last season we played UNC by negotiating a deal on short notice. I would have been happy with a game tonight against almost any decent opponent not named St. Bonaventure.
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on December 29, 2021, 11:32:33 AM
just when i didn't think you were this stupid 82...use your head and quit trying to be funny cuz you ain't. you get your subliminal political points in with the subtlety of a bull elephant in heat.
there are varying amounts, dosages and mixes of ingredient that do have beneficial and therapeutic effects. taken at face value, i.e. fish tank, chlorox, animal doses of ivermectin are dangerous as overdosing on heroin. there are therapeutic doses of peroxide, iodine, betadine, sodium hypochlorite and yes, even hydroxy, regimines that need to be determined by a doctor, drug combinations, that are antiviral, anti inflammatory meds, antibiotics that fight opportunistic infections, and much more that should supercede these vaccines which may only be a small part of the antidote.
we should be preaching better health(obesity), diets and exercise as well, but in todays world, everyone is afraid to "shame" someone. hell, we can't even establish what is male and female
we re not going to vaccinate ourselves out of this problem. the virus is mutating and changing faster than we can get vaccines out. need to open our eyes and ears to epidemiologists, biochemists, pharmacists to get to the real root virulence of this critter
Topical preparations and mouth washes serve an antimicrobial purpose, no doubt. But they are not meant to work systemically.
As far as therapeutics for viruses, we do not have many good ones if any at all. Many of the remedies you list even at non lethal levels have been shown to be only as good as placebos. Even tamiflu for flu isn't effective most years but only worth a try if you have $125. It sounds like the Pfizer antiviral pill may be effective though so that is very encouraging.
Vaccines are truly the best we have to date to help lower morbidity and mortality from several deadly viruses or ones that can cause horrible and unnecessary outcomes (paralysis for polio, encephalitis for measles, etc.).
You are right about obesity and smoking. People are not helping themselves with these issues. However perfectly healthy people are also getting hit fairly hard with Covid with inflammatory effects that will effect them long term and many will die because of it.
Vaccines take advantage of our natural immune system without the negative of getting really sick. It's a no brainer. People are overthinking this.
Stay safe everyone and go MU!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 29, 2021, 12:06:41 PM
I was not referring to conference games (that is a separate issue) but rather negotiated OOC games in lieu of not playing at all on the date when a game was scheduled (or close to the date). Last season we played UNC by negotiating a deal on short notice. I would have been happy with a game tonight against almost any decent opponent not named St. Bonaventure.
Its not really a separate issue, though. You can only play 31 games. Marquette played 11 non con games and have a 20 game BE schedule. The plan is to try to reschedule games PPD by Covid. Until they rack up to the point that making them all up is impossible, you can't really schedule a game against a non-con opponent.
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on December 29, 2021, 11:32:33 AM
just when i didn't think you were this stupid 82...use your head and quit trying to be funny cuz you ain't. you get your subliminal political points in with the subtlety of a bull elephant in heat.
there are varying amounts, dosages and mixes of ingredient that do have beneficial and therapeutic effects. taken at face value, i.e. fish tank, chlorox, animal doses of ivermectin are dangerous as overdosing on heroin. there are therapeutic doses of peroxide, iodine, betadine, sodium hypochlorite and yes, even hydroxy, regimines that need to be determined by a doctor, drug combinations, that are antiviral, anti inflammatory meds, antibiotics that fight opportunistic infections, and much more that should supercede these vaccines which may only be a small part of the antidote.
we should be preaching better health(obesity), diets and exercise as well, but in todays world, everyone is afraid to "shame" someone. hell, we can't even establish what is male and female
we re not going to vaccinate ourselves out of this problem. the virus is mutating and changing faster than we can get vaccines out. need to open our eyes and ears to epidemiologists, biochemists, pharmacists to get to the real root virulence of this critter
9.5 of 10
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on December 29, 2021, 11:32:33 AM
need to open our eyes and ears to epidemiologists, biochemists, pharmacists to get to the real root virulence of this critter
And dentists!
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on December 29, 2021, 11:32:33 AM
just when i didn't think you were this stupid 82...use your head and quit trying to be funny cuz you ain't. you get your subliminal political points in with the subtlety of a bull elephant in heat.
there are varying amounts, dosages and mixes of ingredient that do have beneficial and therapeutic effects. taken at face value, i.e. fish tank, chlorox, animal doses of ivermectin are dangerous as overdosing on heroin. there are therapeutic doses of peroxide, iodine, betadine, sodium hypochlorite and yes, even hydroxy, regimines that need to be determined by a doctor, drug combinations, that are antiviral, anti inflammatory meds, antibiotics that fight opportunistic infections, and much more that should supercede these vaccines which may only be a small part of the antidote.
we should be preaching better health(obesity), diets and exercise as well, but in todays world, everyone is afraid to "shame" someone. hell, we can't even establish what is male and female
we re not going to vaccinate ourselves out of this problem. the virus is mutating and changing faster than we can get vaccines out. need to open our eyes and ears to epidemiologists, biochemists, pharmacists to get to the real root virulence of this critter
We could absolutely vaccinate ourselves right out of about 88% of the deaths and ICU needs...
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 29, 2021, 12:41:46 PM
Its not really a separate issue, though. You can only play 31 games. Marquette played 11 non con games and have a 20 game BE schedule. The plan is to try to reschedule games PPD by Covid. Until they rack up to the point that making them all up is impossible, you can't really schedule a game against a non-con opponent.
OK,
now I gotcha! I thought we could play a few extra games but if that's not allowed, yeah- it is wise to hold out for possible rescheduling of conference games. With all the other allowances for Covid (like the additional year of eligibility e.g.) it's too bad that the NCAA did not allow for a few extra games.
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on December 29, 2021, 11:32:33 AM
just when i didn't think you were this stupid 82...use your head and quit trying to be funny cuz you ain't. you get your subliminal political points in with the subtlety of a bull elephant in heat.
This isn't a "subliminal political point" at all. America got this potential cure directly from your senile hero's mouth.
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on December 29, 2021, 11:32:33 AM
we should be preaching better health(obesity), diets and exercise as well, but in todays world, everyone is afraid to "shame" someone.
Preach, roQQet!
You're absolutely right about obesity being a killer. Your obese hero got a bunch of people killed on 1/6/21. And he even did it without injecting them with Lysol.
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on December 29, 2021, 11:32:33 AM
hell, we can't even establish what is male and female
More perfection! Bravo!
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 29, 2021, 12:02:32 PM
Gender has nothing to do with obesity so I have no idea why you brought that up.
And shaming people doesn't really work either. I am all for investing more into getting people to live healthier lifestyles, but that will mean a carrot and stick approach involving government and insurance company intervention. Which a lot of people don't seem to like.
I mean, I think a government sponsored Covid vaccination plan giving $$ to those vaccinated and penalties to those who aren't, would do wonders for health, but my guess is that is against your freedoms or something.
Modern society glorifies and celebrates obesity with the "body positive" movement even though science shows those people are at higher risk of death from COVID. But, if you point that out one is shamed and labeled "fatphobic" while the fat are called "brave."
Quote from: MU82 on December 29, 2021, 01:02:56 PM
This isn't a "subliminal political point" at all. America got this potential cure directly from your senile hero's mouth.
You're absolutely right about obesity being a killer. Your obese hero got a bunch of people killed on 1/6/21. And he even did it without injecting them with Lysol.
^^^ ban dis guy
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 29, 2021, 01:24:39 PM
Modern society glorifies and celebrates obesity with the "body positive" movement even though science shows those people are at higher risk of death from COVID. But, if you point that out one is shamed and labeled "fatphobic" while the fat are called "brave."
Uh...OK. None of this comes close to refuting (or supporting) what I have said. Shaming doesn't usually work.
It sounds like you are shifting goalposts to make some point instead. We used to have another poster around here who would regularly do that too.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 29, 2021, 01:33:34 PM
What would Jesus do?
Change the Bible to ban procreation? Idk
I gotta say, I'm really confident we don't lose tonight.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on December 29, 2021, 02:24:16 PM
I gotta say, I'm really confident we don't lose tonight.
We all lose tonight :(((
With tonight's game off, those in Milwaukee can go to the Pabst Theater instead.
https://www.pabsttheatergroup.com/events/detail/bodeans-gufs-2021?fbclid=IwAR3uORKxHnA8J5bt4NjQb1vm_LELbEhPPuBkcR4lGgSB2gfzDnzp73PeGRc
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on December 29, 2021, 11:32:33 AM
just when i didn't think you were this stupid 82...use your head and quit trying to be funny cuz you ain't. you get your subliminal political points in with the subtlety of a bull elephant in heat.
there are varying amounts, dosages and mixes of ingredient that do have beneficial and therapeutic effects. taken at face value, i.e. fish tank, chlorox, animal doses of ivermectin are dangerous as overdosing on heroin. there are therapeutic doses of peroxide, iodine, betadine, sodium hypochlorite and yes, even hydroxy, regimines that need to be determined by a doctor, drug combinations, that are antiviral, anti inflammatory meds, antibiotics that fight opportunistic infections, and much more that should supercede these vaccines which may only be a small part of the antidote.
we should be preaching better health(obesity), diets and exercise as well, but in todays world, everyone is afraid to "shame" someone. hell, we can't even establish what is male and female
we re not going to vaccinate ourselves out of this problem. the virus is mutating and changing faster than we can get vaccines out. need to open our eyes and ears to epidemiologists, biochemists, pharmacists to get to the real root virulence of this critter
Wow. Just wow.