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Title: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: NCMUFan on December 21, 2021, 10:11:01 PM
Like to stay optimistic but man.
Missed uncontested open dunk by a guy 6-10.
Brick open 6-footer.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team
Post by: TallTitan34 on December 21, 2021, 10:13:38 PM
Am I the only optimistic one?

Young team fought to the end with two of the best teams in the conference.  Lot's of mistakes no doubt but I think they are mistakes that can be fixed.

Anyone who thought this team was going to be a well oiled machine was foolish.  There was always going to be a learning curve.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team
Post by: MUeng on December 21, 2021, 10:14:00 PM
Pinnacle was probably west Virginia. Will be a long conference season here for us. Covid might determine a lot too
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: warriors141 on December 21, 2021, 10:15:40 PM
well I was optimistic for a time there in this team, fun while it lasted. unfortunately expectations for this program seem to be at the basement
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: NCMUFan on December 21, 2021, 10:18:01 PM
Joplin is a stud.  More minutes for Joplin.  He seems built for the Big East.
Lewis is a stud.
Prosper did much better today.
When Kolek or Cam drive, look to get the pass, not be looking at the rim for a rebound.
Oso looked lost the majority of the game.  Out of his league this game.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 21, 2021, 10:18:41 PM
This team isn't good, unfortunately
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: TallTitan34 on December 21, 2021, 10:19:57 PM
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 21, 2021, 10:18:41 PM
This team isn't good, unfortunately

What did people expect?  A smooth oiled machine this year? 
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on December 21, 2021, 10:20:51 PM
So many idiotic takes in the game thread and then some more here.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: cheese ball chaser on December 21, 2021, 10:21:48 PM
Once again just can't shoot
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: MuggsyB on December 21, 2021, 10:22:22 PM
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 21, 2021, 10:18:01 PM
Joplin is a stud.  More minutes for Joplin.  He seems built for the Big East.
Lewis is a stud.
Prosper did much better today.
When Kolek or Cam drive, look to get the pass, not be looking at the rim for a rebound.
Oso looked lost the majority of the game.  Out of his league this game.

Notwithstanding the missed dunk to tie the game at 67, the bottom line is we didn't get enough scoring from our guards tonight.  We missed several good shots down rhe stretch but never got a lead which was a killer. 
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on December 21, 2021, 10:22:51 PM
Quote from: cheese ball chaser on December 21, 2021, 10:21:48 PM
Once again just can't shoot

They shot 48% tonight.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: Tha Hound on December 21, 2021, 10:24:57 PM
Lmaoing @ people on this website with thousands of posts but not enough common sense/basic knowledge to realize we wouldn't be smooth sailing through top 25 teams all year.

It was a good battle against a good team, all without one of our main players and undisputed leader.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: warriors141 on December 21, 2021, 10:25:12 PM
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 21, 2021, 10:22:51 PM
They shot 48% tonight.

good teams, even decent ones, finish the job at home
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 21, 2021, 10:25:34 PM
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 21, 2021, 10:18:01 PM
Joplin is a stud.  More minutes for Joplin.  He seems built for the Big East.
Lewis is a stud.
Prosper did much better today.
When Kolek or Cam drive, look to get the pass, not be looking at the rim for a rebound.
Oso looked lost the majority of the game.  Out of his league this game.

Lewis needs at least 20 touches in the post per game. He was fearless against bigger, longer guys. We went away from that down the stretch.

Really likes what O-Max and Joplin brought tonight.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: mu.n8ball on December 21, 2021, 10:26:04 PM
I'm pumped. within 1 late, and that's without morsell. new guys getting extended minutes and still we're in the game late. very encouraging
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on December 21, 2021, 10:26:13 PM
The lack of 3 point shooting will kill us all year. Glad we made the adjustment at half to get into the paint, but the scouting report is out on Marquette. Sag off the 3 point line and push our young guys, (Kolek/jones) away from the basket. Lewis is a stud, but he won't be able to do what he did tonight the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on December 21, 2021, 10:26:46 PM
Quote from: warriors141 on December 21, 2021, 10:25:12 PM
good teams, even decent ones, finish the job at home

Hard to take you seriously.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: MUBBau on December 21, 2021, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: warriors141 on December 21, 2021, 10:25:12 PM
good teams, even decent ones, finish the job at home

Guess Alabama isn't a decent team
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: warriors141 on December 21, 2021, 10:28:05 PM
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 21, 2021, 10:26:46 PM
Hard to take you seriously.

every post of yours just rips on people you disagree with. That's fine though, glad to see you are content with where we are at
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team
Post by: MUCam on December 21, 2021, 10:28:54 PM
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 21, 2021, 10:13:38 PM
Am I the only optimistic one?

Young team fought to the end with two of the best teams in the conference.  Lot's of mistakes no doubt but I think they are mistakes that can be fixed.

Anyone who thought this team was going to be a well oiled machine was foolish.  There was always going to be a learning curve.

The last two games I've honestly expected us to get blown out. We fought and fought hard. We could be 2-0, but a missed dunk here, poor decision there, lucky shot by an opponent everywhere, and we are 0-2.

As the broadcast guy said, Marquette is playing much better than the 9th best team in the Big East.

I'm not a "moral victory" guy, but honestly, I felt positive about the performance overall. The last two games have been much better than UCLA and St Bonnie, where I was concerned.

The chicken littles squawking after every loss this year are annoying, but you'll never get rid of them. That's life. Some people are just built that way.

But, I agree with you. I have some optimism, and frankly, despite the 0-2 start, I am more optimistic for the rest of this season than I was before those two games were played. The kids are young and they're going to miss shots and make dumb mistakes, but they're fighting. Oh, and Omax and Joplin showed signs, which was encouraging.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on December 21, 2021, 10:29:00 PM
Quote from: warriors141 on December 21, 2021, 10:25:12 PM
good teams, even decent ones, finish the job at home

Young teams don't. Let's see what happens next year. Shaka knows we need at least 2 3 point shooting transfers. Plus the underclassmen get a year older. UConn senior laden team, graduates.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on December 21, 2021, 10:29:43 PM
Quote from: warriors141 on December 21, 2021, 10:28:05 PM
every post of yours just rips on people you disagree with. That's fine though, glad to see you are content with where we are at

That's not true but when I see that level of idiocy it's difficult not to respond.

Losing always sucks but plenty of positives to take away from tonight.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 21, 2021, 10:31:42 PM
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 21, 2021, 10:11:01 PM
Like to stay optimistic but man.
Missed uncontested open dunk by a guy 6-10.
Brick open 6-footer.

Yep.  I'd stop watching if I were you.  Midnight madness around the corner.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: PointWarrior on December 21, 2021, 10:32:36 PM

better than the team predicted to score in the 50's frequently apparently?

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 21, 2021, 10:18:41 PM
This team isn't good, unfortunately
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: NolongerWarriors on December 21, 2021, 10:33:25 PM
Quote from: warriors141 on December 21, 2021, 10:28:05 PM
every post of yours just rips on people you disagree with. That's fine though, glad to see you are content with where we are at

100% true.

Interesting thing is the posters most critical of the team are also the most polite and don't personally attack other posters.

The knee jerk defenders just throw out insults.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: nyg on December 21, 2021, 10:34:43 PM
Like last game in which they scored two points in final three minutes

Tonight 5 points (including Johnson bomb three) in final six minutes.  Terrible. Shaka has to clean that up.  The miss dunk just popped the balloon mentally I believe.

RJ Cole ate Kolek and Elliott for lunch. 

Lewis so much better when playing in paint.  Big game inside tonight. But in order to make the NBA, he must show some sort of outside shooting to impress.  Still not going good, believe 1 for last 18 from three.

Layups missed: Prosper 2, Kolek 3, Lewis 3, Kuath 1, Jones 1, Elliott 1.  Layups, not blocked shots, all hit rim.
Two front end free throw misses.  Uconn was clutch.

Ceiling? Probably.  They beat Illinois in last few seconds without their best player, who now is averaging 24 and 10.       Beat Miss, who got beat on their home court tonight by Samford.

I'm sticking with 6 BE wins.  Process........

I hope the 5ft10 PG recruit Jones is good.  Mitchell and Ellis might see one minute a game from now on.



Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: cheese ball chaser on December 21, 2021, 10:35:21 PM
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 21, 2021, 10:22:51 PM
They shot 48% tonight.

Point blank shots
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: MU82 on December 21, 2021, 10:37:18 PM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 21, 2021, 10:25:34 PM
Lewis needs at least 20 touches in the post per game. He was fearless against bigger, longer guys. We went away from that down the stretch.

Really likes what O-Max and Joplin brought tonight.

Hurley made a nice adjustment, started running a second big at Lewis every time he tried to post up down the stretch. He had to pass every time, or couldn't get the ball in the first place. That's when, if you have a scoring PG, you can make some hay. Or if you've got a couple good 3-point shooters. Of course, it would be nice if your big can make a wide-open dunk.

Agree about O-Max and Joplin.

Otherwise (not saying you), a lot of effen mopes in this thread.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: NCMUFan on December 21, 2021, 10:45:17 PM
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 21, 2021, 10:31:42 PM
Yep.  I'd stop watching if I were you.  Midnight madness around the corner.
I will root for them.  It is my team. 
Your post just makes me smile.
And if I want to put out a comment or opinion I will.
Maybe you are the one that needs a hug.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 21, 2021, 10:56:00 PM
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 21, 2021, 10:45:17 PM
I will root for them.  It is my team. 
Your post just makes me smile.
And if I want to put out a comment or opinion I will.
Maybe you are the one that needs a hug.

Give up.  This team is terrible.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: tower912 on December 22, 2021, 05:22:42 AM
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 21, 2021, 10:32:36 PM
better than the team predicted to score in the 50's frequently apparently?
I said there would be games where MU scores in the 50's due to their youth and a lack of proven scorer.   There has been two games.   No one anywhere ever predicted 'frequently. '
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: MU82 on December 22, 2021, 09:26:49 AM
I'm not worried one iota about the ceiling for this year's team.

I'm thinking about the ceiling of our program, and I believe it's very high.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: Newsdreams on December 22, 2021, 08:35:23 PM
Quote from: MU82 on December 21, 2021, 10:37:18 PM
Hurley made a nice adjustment, started running a second big at Lewis every time he tried to post up down the stretch. He had to pass every time, or couldn't get the ball in the first place. That's when, if you have a scoring PG, you can make some hay. Or if you've got a couple good 3-point shooters. Of course, it would be nice if your big can make a wide-open dunk.

Agree about O-Max and Joplin.

Otherwise (not saying you), a lot of effen mopes in this thread.
This, Hurley decided to let someone else beat them and doubled Lewis. No one else was able to really take over.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 22, 2021, 09:22:17 PM
Quote from: tower912 on December 22, 2021, 05:22:42 AM
I said there would be games where MU scores in the 50's due to their youth and a lack of proven scorer.   There has been two games.   No one anywhere ever predicted 'frequently. '

Villanova has scored in the 50s once and in the 30s once. What's their excuse?
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: pbiflyer on December 22, 2021, 09:24:27 PM
No.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: MU82 on December 22, 2021, 09:55:52 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 22, 2021, 08:35:23 PM
This, Hurley decided to let someone else beat them and doubled Lewis. No one else was able to really take over.

Using 20/20 hindsight, the proper question to ask might be: "What took Hurley so long?"
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 23, 2021, 04:28:28 AM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 22, 2021, 09:22:17 PM
Villanova has scored in the 50s once and in the 30s once. What's their excuse?

They're 345th in tempo and 47% of their shots come from 3.  When they ain't making 3's and with limited possessions, they're going to have some terrible offensive outputs.  Plus, they're just not as talented as previous Wildcat teams
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: hawk on December 23, 2021, 04:26:24 PM
What ever happened to the "I don't care if they win as long as they grow through the season" crowd?  There are 20 conference games if they all get played. so far there have been two, you people have to lighten up a little.  This team shows growth and identity.  Don't judge harshly so soon.  The key to this season is Butler, De Paul  and Georgetown. If they can go 5-1 and steal a couple of games they are fine.  I thought Pros[per had a breakout game ,if he remembers how hard and well he played he could yet thrive this season.  The same for Joplin if he continues to improve MU is solid.  Kolek grew his game as well by driving to the basket instead of passing on every drive. I would suggest holding judgement until after the 5th game at least.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: MU82 on January 08, 2022, 09:16:43 AM
This thread aged like fine sewage.
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: pbiflyer on January 20, 2022, 08:58:28 AM
Just a reminder, the answer is still no.  ;D
Title: Re: Have we seen the ceiling for this team?
Post by: VanderBlueFanClub on January 20, 2022, 11:53:32 AM
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 21, 2021, 10:11:01 PM
Like to stay optimistic but man.
Missed uncontested open dunk by a guy 6-10.
Brick open 6-footer.
Just being negative for no reason. We battled and played very well against one of the top teams in the nation.
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