- A road win is a road win. Lots of ugly, but the result still matters.
- Starting backcourt combined for 3/20 from the floor. We will need better shooting from Kolek and Morsell.
- Justin was great tonight. Scored inside and out, cleaned the glass, and five assists. And on the Kam Jones three, he was celebrating the make before it even left Kam's hands. Shades of Diener.
- The defense was solid all night long and it was a defensive play that won it.
- Greg was finally the sparkplug we've wanted tonight. Hit his shots, created for others, his best performance of the year on both ends.
- Kam continues to look like the best true freshman. In addition to the little things, he added 15 points, including the three that provided the final margin. Huge performance.
- Love our big man duo. Kur and Oso combined for 12 points/8 rebounds/4 blocks/2 assists while shooting 6/7 from the field.
- The win is good for the resume, but there was a chance to step on their throat up 7 late. Instead, K-State finished on a 9-3 run and almost stole it. It's a young team, but they will need to figure out that the kill isn't just 3 consecutive stops.
Currently sitting at a quad 1 win. It's hard to complain about that. I agree on the other points.
I like the way Shaka uses the bigs. I thought under Wojo the ball would stick in the bigs hands too long. These guys are either dunking it or passing.
You promised us a double-digit win, brewski!
If you had told me Kolek and Morsell would shoot like that, I'd have said we'd have lost by 10. Several other players, most notably Kam and Elliott, stepped up.
I think we all might have to get used to Morsell's first four games being the outlier offensively; his last 6 have pretty much mirrored his first 4 seasons.
Good for Greg! He needed a game like that ... and so did Marquette! It's a credit to Shaka, too. Every chance he had to use Mitchell in that situation, he went with Greg instead. Given that Greg was in the doghouse earlier this season, Shaka picked the right time to open the door.
Kam is going to be a real good player. I love his mentality. His shot's not bad, either!
Agree about Oso and Kur. Shaka already has developed a nice feel for which of them needs to play when. Huge, huge play by Oso to end the game.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2021, 10:19:54 PM
- A road win is a road win. Lots of ugly, but the result still matters.
- Starting backcourt combined for 3/20 from the floor. We will need better shooting from Kolek and Morsell.
- Justin was great tonight. Scored inside and out, cleaned the glass, and five assists. And on the Kam Jones three, he was celebrating the make before it even left Kam's hands. Shades of Diener.
- The defense was solid all night long and it was a defensive play that won it.
- Greg was finally the sparkplug we've wanted tonight. Hit his shots, created for others, his best performance of the year on both ends.
- Kam continues to look like the best true freshman. In addition to the little things, he added 15 points, including the three that provided the final margin. Huge performance.
- Love our big man duo. Kur and Oso combined for 12 points/8 rebounds/4 blocks/2 assists while shooting 6/7 from the field.
- The win is good for the resume, but there was a chance to step on their throat up 7 late. Instead, K-State finished on a 9-3 run and almost stole it. It's a young team, but they will need to figure out that the kill isn't just 3 consecutive stops.
Outstanding synopsis Brewcity. And your second point cannot be overstated. They have to show up.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 08, 2021, 10:29:20 PM
I like the way Shaka uses the bigs. I thought under Wojo the ball would stick in the bigs hands too long. These guys are either dunking it or passing.
Their mobility is a weapon that Shaka has used well. We saw some of this with Dawson last year, but beyond that Wojo's bigs didn't move as well.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2021, 10:19:54 PM
- Love our big man duo. Kur and Oso combined for 12 points/8 rebounds/4 blocks/2 assists while shooting 6/7 from the field.
Forgot the combined 3 steals as well
Quote from: MU82 on December 08, 2021, 10:33:48 PM
You promised us a double-digit win, brewski!
If you had told me Kolek and Morsell would shoot like that, I'd have said we'd have lost by 10. Several other players, most notably Kam and Elliott, stepped up.
The most frustrating thing tonight was missing open looks. Based on the looks alone, Kolek should've been 5/7 and we would've won going away. Our ineptitude at making open shots almost cost us a game that should've been far more comfortable than needing a final possession block to escape.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2021, 10:19:54 PM
- A road win is a road win. Lots of ugly, but the result still matters.
- Starting backcourt combined for 3/20 from the floor. We will need better shooting from Kolek and Morsell.
- Justin was great tonight. Scored inside and out, cleaned the glass, and five assists. And on the Kam Jones three, he was celebrating the make before it even left Kam's hands. Shades of Diener.
- The defense was solid all night long and it was a defensive play that won it.
- Greg was finally the sparkplug we've wanted tonight. Hit his shots, created for others, his best performance of the year on both ends.
- Kam continues to look like the best true freshman. In addition to the little things, he added 15 points, including the three that provided the final margin. Huge performance.
- Love our big man duo. Kur and Oso combined for 12 points/8 rebounds/4 blocks/2 assists while shooting 6/7 from the field.
- The win is good for the resume, but there was a chance to step on their throat up 7 late. Instead, K-State finished on a 9-3 run and almost stole it. It's a young team, but they will need to figure out that the kill isn't just 3 consecutive stops.
Great points—just watched again on Kam's 3......Justin crashed the boards...not sure what you saw there.
Kam, Greg and Shaka pulling Darryl at the end were all great tonight.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2021, 10:39:07 PM
The most frustrating thing tonight was missing open looks. Based on the looks alone, Kolek should've been 5/7 and we would've won going away. Our ineptitude at making open shots almost cost us a game that should've been far more comfortable than needing a final possession block to escape.
Absolutely. We didn't score for like 5+ mins. Execution and poise were not there until the money triple by Kam. However, it's a huge positive to win with the night Morsell/Kolek had. I think they'll be alright.
Not to be that guy, but can we give some credit to Wojo and former staff for recruiting Kam? The kid is a gamer and is very much our best freshman.
I struggle to think how he would have been utilized if under the former staff this year. Providing big minutes.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2021, 10:39:07 PM
The most frustrating thing tonight was missing open looks. Based on the looks alone, Kolek should've been 5/7 and we would've won going away. Our ineptitude at making open shots almost cost us a game that should've been far more comfortable than needing a final possession block to escape.
KSU missed open looks, too. Kolek obviously isn't as bad a shooter as he was tonight, but he's not a very good shooter. As the game went on, when KSU had to pick their poison, they more and more picked Kolek. It was the right choice. Thankfully, they left Kam open for that big 3 late!
Not so sure about the defense, Brew.
Have not seen the fast-break stats, but I don't think they're good. Yes, I'm prepared to look bad if the stats don't back up my impression.
Like it that Justin cut down on the dribbling.
A win, even by a sleazy point, is so much more satisfying than getting beat. Worried about Saturday but you never know (although for Saturday I think I do).
Way to hang in, Warriors. It could have got away.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on December 08, 2021, 10:44:22 PM
Not to be that guy, but can we give some credit to Wojo and former staff for recruiting Kam? The kid is a gamer and is very much our best freshman.
I struggle to think how he would have been utilized if under the former staff this year. Providing big minutes.
Shaka acknowledged Wojo for bringing in Kam and Stevie.
That's the best-officiated game I've seen in awhile. They let the kids play, but they had control of the game and they called all the stuff they had to call.
Quote from: MU82 on December 08, 2021, 10:48:08 PM
That's the best-officiated game I've seen in awhile. They let the kids play, but they had control of the game and they called all the stuff they had to call.
Great point. All can ask from a great crew is consistency. This crew did a great job end to end.
I have always professed that a team plays with who they have--------no excuses either way. If you're short-handed and lose, tough. A loss is a loss. If you win, all the sweeter.
But as good as it feels to have snuck out with a win tonight, I can't help but admit that no Pack and no Cockburn is probably the difference between 8-2 and 6-4 right now.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on December 08, 2021, 10:53:44 PM
I have always professed that a team plays with who they have--------no excuses either way. If you're short-handed and lose, tough. A loss is a loss. If you win, all the sweeter.
But as good as it feels to have snuck out with a win tonight, I can't help but admit that no Pack and no Cockburn is probably the difference between 8-2 and 6-4 right now.
You're definitely dribblin rn
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on December 08, 2021, 10:53:44 PM
I have always professed that a team plays with who they have--------no excuses either way. If you're short-handed and lose, tough. A loss is a loss. If you win, all the sweeter.
But as good as it feels to have snuck out with a win tonight, I can't help but admit that no Pack and no Cockburn is probably the difference between 8-2 and 6-4 right now.
I mean... you're not wrong. But we are 8-2. Some lucky non-con breaks have put us in position to maybe make the tourney. Pretty nice timing to get those breaks THIS year. Hope it snowballs into more positive momentum.
We.have a legitimate shot.at being an onside.thr bubble team in year 1. That's already exciting.
I loved Homer's line tonight when no one could hit a shot -something like: We're shooting at Dixie cups. Made me laugh.
Wasn't able to see the game, did we score 50?
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 08, 2021, 10:40:59 PM
Great points—just watched again on Kam's 3......Justin crashed the boards...not sure what you saw there.
Kam, Greg and Shaka pulling Darryl at the end were all great tonight.
Justin walked early on the Kam corner 3 a couple minutes before the last one
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on December 08, 2021, 10:44:22 PM
Not to be that guy, but can we give some credit to Wojo and former staff for recruiting Kam? The kid is a gamer and is very much our best freshman.
I struggle to think how he would have been utilized if under the former staff this year. Providing big minutes.
Wojo's recruiting was fine. His coaching and utilization of his (and Buzz's) recruits was awful. Glad Kam and Stevie re-committed to Shaka.
Wojo never recruited switchables. Athletic guys who could run the floor, slash to the basket, and defend multiple positions. Or enough big, athletic guards.
One of the things I am enjoying this year is the lack of defensive mismatches.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2021, 10:19:54 PM
- The defense was solid all night long and it was a defensive play that won it.
This is the only point I will quibble with.
Yes, the half court defense was solid. It has improved a lot in the span of a month. But the transition defense continues to be so awful that I give a negative overall grade to the defense.
Quote from: MU82 on December 08, 2021, 10:48:08 PM
That's the best-officiated game I've seen in awhile. They let the kids play, but they had control of the game and they called all the stuff they had to call.
Thought the same thing...and some inconsistent calls in a game like that can make things impossible for a team. Really impressed by that crew.
This team lives and dies off its defense. Until we develop or find a consistent scorer the offense will be our weakness. For a young team I believe we will have more wins this season than if the situation were reversed.
I was more confident last night having to get a stop vs. needing a bucket to win.
My wife noticed, and we backed the video up to check .. at the end of the game, Kolek stared into the crowd and gave a enthusiastic "EFFF YOU!"
Not sure what that was about, he seemed irked at someone in particular.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 09, 2021, 09:08:51 AM
My wife noticed, and we backed the video up to check .. at the end of the game, Kolek stared into the crowd and gave a enthusiastic "EFFF YOU!"
Not sure what that was about, he seemed irked at someone in particular.
(https://i.imgur.com/16HhtHr.gif)
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 09, 2021, 09:08:51 AM
My wife noticed, and we backed the video up to check .. at the end of the game, Kolek stared into the crowd and gave a enthusiastic "EFFF YOU!"
Not sure what that was about, he seemed irked at someone in particular.
The student section had been chanting "F you tyler"
Big win. Wasn't pretty. Tried to give it away at the end (despite solid shots from Justin and Greg in the final possessions). But we'll take that W and run. Was needed.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on December 08, 2021, 10:44:22 PM
Not to be that guy, but can we give some credit to Wojo and former staff for recruiting Kam? The kid is a gamer and is very much our best freshman.
I struggle to think how he would have been utilized if under the former staff this year. Providing big minutes.
Wojo deserves a solid amount of credit. JLEw is a fuckin dude, Oso has enormous upside and Kam/Stevie are the best 2 freshman we have. Wojo consistently brought in talent - he just sucked at coaching.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 09, 2021, 09:19:26 AM
Wojo deserves a solid amount of credit. JLEw is a unnatural carnal knowledgein dude, Oso has enormous upside and Kam/Stevie are the best 2 freshman we have. Wojo consistently brought in talent - he just sucked at coaching.
His flaw was that he would always go with the hot player, usually Rowsey, Sam and definitely Markus. He never got them to play as a unit. How many times would you see the other players just stand around while one of them took over. Yes, you can win some games that way, but not have a winning team. Yes, he was given all the tools. He just did not know how to use them. Really sad.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 09, 2021, 09:08:51 AM
My wife noticed, and we backed the video up to check .. at the end of the game, Kolek stared into the crowd and gave a enthusiastic "EFFF YOU!"
Not sure what that was about, he seemed irked at someone in particular.
I believe he was rattled by the crowd which perhaps resulted in his poorer shooting than usual.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on December 09, 2021, 09:11:55 AM
The student section had been chanting "F you tyler"
Don't know why opposing crowds always hate White PGs but they do. Kolek has to embrace it and let it fuel his game
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 09, 2021, 09:08:51 AM
My wife noticed, and we backed the video up to check .. at the end of the game, Kolek stared into the crowd and gave a enthusiastic "EFFF YOU!"
Not sure what that was about, he seemed irked at someone in particular.
I got a message from someone at the game early this morning and apparently they started a "Tyler Sucks" chant on three separate occasions.
K-State's unis were trash. Looked like the equipment manager mixed the home shorts with the road shirts. Awful.
The announcer said the players voted on it and chose that combination for the MU game.
Marquette has become the team other schools decide to wear ugly uniforms for. They all want to be Bo Ellis, but sadly there is only one.
Quote from: Jockey on December 09, 2021, 08:44:21 AM
This is the only point I will quibble with.
Yes, the half court defense was solid. It has improved a lot in the span of a month. But the transition defense continues to be so awful that I give a negative overall grade to the defense.
Per Kenpom, this defense (56th) is better than every Wojo defense except for 2019 (45th). 56th is much higher than I expected to be at this point in the season with the young guys we are rolling out there.
Quote from: lawdog77 on December 09, 2021, 11:39:59 AM
Marquette has become the team other schools decide to wear ugly uniforms for. They all want to be Bo Ellis, but sadly there is only one.
Gonna be honest - I don't think that the parents of these players ever wanted to emulate Bo Ellis...
The half court defense has generally been very good. I like the hedge for the high pick and rolls. I like that the wing defenders have enough size to contest in the lane. I like how much switching goes on out front. I like the mixed in possessions of zone just to disrupt the flow. I prefer the emphasis on disruption as opposed to containment. Get some steals!
MU has had two weaknesses on defense. Transition defense/the press getting beat and defensive rebounding.
Quote from: BM1090 on December 09, 2021, 11:40:12 AM
Per Kenpom, this defense (56th) is better than every Wojo defense except for 2019 (45th). 56th is much higher than I expected to be at this point in the season with the young guys we are rolling out there.
I think the criticism was for this game. K-State got 19 or so points on turnovers.
Quote from: tower912 on December 09, 2021, 11:47:36 AM
The half court defense has generally been very good. I like the hedge for the high pick and rolls. I like that the wing defenders have enough size to contest in the lane. I like how much switching goes on out front. I like the mixed in possessions of zone just to disrupt the flow. I prefer the emphasis on disruption as opposed to containment. Get some steals!
MU has had two weaknesses on defense. Transition defense/the press getting beat and defensive rebounding.
Am I wrong in thinking that we really stopped pressing after made baskets in the second half yesterday? Seemed like we only did so after deadballs.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 09, 2021, 09:19:26 AM
Wojo deserves a solid amount of credit. JLEw is a unnatural carnal knowledgein dude, Oso has enormous upside and Kam/Stevie are the best 2 freshman we have. Wojo consistently brought in talent - he just sucked at coaching.
Initially, I really wasn't that excited about Kam Jones. Thought he would have been set free by the new staff. He's been a huge piece to this team and MU is fortunate to have him.
The Shaka freshman are definitely behind at this point. Hope those guys (Ellis and Joplin) keep their heads up because there is a lot of ball to be played.
Quote from: tower912 on December 09, 2021, 11:37:11 AM
The announcer said the players voted on it and chose that combination for the MU game.
I found it interesting that the NCAA doesn't allow combinations like K-State had, they are allowed 1 exception per season and the players chose the MU game.
Marquette should apply for 1 game exceptions for the untucked unis!
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on December 09, 2021, 03:19:35 PM
I found it interesting that the NCAA doesn't allow combinations like K-State had, they are allowed 1 exception per season and the players chose the MU game.
Marquette should apply for 1 game exceptions for the untucked unis!
I don't know that this is true — source??
Except from Section 22 of the rule book:
" Art. 4. Opposing team uniforms shall be of contrasting colors. The home team shall wear light game jerseys and game shorts, and the away team shall wear dark game jerseys and game shorts. This rule may be altered by mutual consent of the competing institutions as long as the color of the jersey and shorts are still contrasting"
In other words, if their opponents all agreed, K-State could wear that trash every game.
Untucked doesn't appear to ever be allowed.
U think that the announcers said it, which of course does not mean that it is true.
Bring back the bumblebees, dammit!!
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 09, 2021, 03:28:32 PM
I don't know that this is true — source??
my source was the game announcers, surely I'm not the only one that heard that
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on December 10, 2021, 09:17:02 AM
my source was the game announcers, surely I'm not the only one that heard that
+1
Quote from: BrewCity83 on December 09, 2021, 04:32:25 PM
Bring back the bumblebees, dammit!!
Like those, but really love the old unis with the vertical stripe and the number in the dark circle.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on December 10, 2021, 11:37:41 AM
Like those, but really love the old unis with the vertical stripe and the number in the dark circle.
That's a great one too. MU should mine their history and bring back one classic uniform every year for one special game.