1. Slow starts two straight games.
2. The half court offense is pick and roll and dribble drive. I have seen three sets run in two games. Any open 3 is a good look, regardless of shooter. Then try and get to the rim.
3. UNH succeeded in slowing down the game, forcing MU to play a half court game.
4. Through 2 games, Osa>>>Kur.
5. It is clear that everyone has the green light from 3. I think this is the long game. Get them use to shooting. Eventually, they will start hitting.
6. Glad to see EE on the floor.
7. It pains me, but Butch did a nice job of explaining the freshmen mistakes and process. He sounds like Dakich without the arrogance.
8. I am ready to see Greg hitting some catch and shoot 3's.
9. So many needless fouls.
10. Funny how free throws always seem to matta at the end.
11. MU has now seen two completely different styles. They have struggled and fought and hacked and slapped and slopped. They could be 0-2, but they aren't. It is a process.
Well, a win is a win. I was nervous before that game, and most of it. But W.
I am listening to the games with Homer this year, so everything was very positive. We won. Built some character.
I thought Butch was really good. And, yes, reminds me/sounds like Dakich.
Quote from: bananahammock on November 12, 2021, 09:44:39 PM
I thought Butch was really good. And, yes, reminds me/sounds like Dakich.
Agree. I was expecting him to not be good at all. Pleasantly surprised.
I am not looking forward to Monday.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on November 12, 2021, 09:51:20 PM
I am not looking forward to Monday.
I agree with this analysis. Then again...
Quote from: muwarrior69 on November 12, 2021, 09:51:20 PM
I am not looking forward to Monday.
I am. There is nothing to lose and so many lessons to be learned.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on November 12, 2021, 09:51:20 PM
I am not looking forward to Monday.
How much pain are we talking about? How should we prepare?
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 12, 2021, 09:54:54 PM
How much pain are we talking about? How should we prepare?
Without Cockburn, Frazier and Curbelo? Single digit loss.
First of all, thank you Brother Tower for your insightful instant analysis. It's the first thing I do after our games.
Second, we're gullible. Every team we play is going to collapse inside until we start hitting threes. They give us the long range jumper knowing Markus Howard is way in the rear view mirror and Dawson Garcia ply's his wares in North Carolina. For now, our game is inside.
Gosh, I hope Greg is back soon. He can really help this team.
As to Monday, there is something about this team that rises to the occasion. We seem to find a way in the end. Illinois has some problems too ... so we shall see. Don't write our guys off before Monday, very late!
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 12, 2021, 09:56:49 PM
Without Cockburn, Frazier and Curbelo? Single digit loss.
Curbelo played tonight
Quote from: muwarrior69 on November 12, 2021, 09:51:20 PM
I am not looking forward to Monday.
How can you not?
This ride is not for the squeamish.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on November 12, 2021, 09:51:20 PM
I am not looking forward to Monday.
Maybe Shaka's strategy is to just play good enough to win.
Brown took UNC to the wire. You never know what could happen in college hoops. Maybe our guys rise to the occasion with the 1st big test?
12. Morsell is really, really good
13. We commit way too many silly fouls (lots of unnecessary reaches and grabs)
14. Stevie Mitchell will be good but see #13.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 12, 2021, 09:54:54 PM
How much pain are we talking about? How should we prepare?
Root Canal Pain. Lots of Novocaine.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 12, 2021, 10:05:31 PM
12. Morsell is really, really good
13. We commit way too many silly fouls (lots of unnecessary reaches and grabs)
14. Stevie Mitchell will be good but see #13.
Yup 13 & 14 need to be cleaned up
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 12, 2021, 10:04:30 PM
Brown took UNC to the wire. You never know what could happen in college hoops. Maybe our guys rise to the occasion with the 1st big test?
Garcia sat the bench the last 6 minutes.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 12, 2021, 10:04:30 PM
Brown took UNC to the wire. You never know what could happen in college hoops. Maybe our guys rise to the occasion with the 1st big test?
And Illinois without Kofi *clobbered* an Arkansas St.team 92-53 that in theory is way better than New Hampshire. Not to mention the 71-47 drubbing of Jackson St. who is also theoretically better than UNH.
I'm not optimistic about the IL game, but I'll be watching regardless. Maybe the home court will be worth 30 points or so :)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 12, 2021, 10:15:12 PM
And Illinois without Kofi *clobbered* an Arkansas St.team 92-53 that in theory is way better than New Hampshire. Not to mention the 71-47 drubbing of Jackson St. who is also theoretically better than UNH.
I'm not optimistic about the IL game, but I'll be watching regardless. Maybe the home court will be worth 30 points or so :)
Arkansas St. has one win over a liberal arts school in Arkansas. No one is properly ranked in this season yet.
Good news is any result with single digits next week is fine.
Hate to say it, but Kur & OMax are not BE-ready interior players. They will get eaten.
Morsell and Lewis (our unquestioned leaders) took over when they needed to.
Strangely quiet night from Kolek (0-5 from 3). Sat for long periods. More hurt than we thought?
It's going to be tougher than I thought/hoped/wished to get this group playing together well.
So far, this does not look like an over .500 BE-season team. I can accept that as a transition year with almost everyone new. I'm hanging on to the thought that others have voiced, that (for once in recent history) we can play better later in the year. It does make sense, with all the transfers and frosh. We can only hope.
Overall took care of the ball pretty well yet again.
Haven't went full flop with the ball like teams of the past
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on November 12, 2021, 10:20:27 PM
Hate to say it, but Kur & OMax are not BE-ready interior players. They will get eaten.
Morsell and Lewis (our unquestioned leaders) took over when they needed to.
Strangely quiet night from Kolek (0-5 from 3). Sat for long periods. More hurt than we thought?
It's going to be tougher than I thought/hoped/wished to get this group playing together well.
So far, this does not look like an over .500 BE-season team. I can accept that as a transition year with almost everyone new. I'm hanging on to the thought that others have voiced, that (for once in recent history) we can play better later in the year. It does make sense, with all the transfers and frosh. We can only hope.
Your first sentence is my biggest concern. And frankly I'm a little surprised they have struggled to this degree.
Quote from: jfp61 on November 12, 2021, 10:18:21 PM
Arkansas St. has one win over a liberal arts school in Arkansas. No one is properly ranked in this season yet.
They're not rankings, they're estimates of how good teams are based on their statistical efficiency and expected possessions. But you're right, they're not great this early in the season. However, they're generally closer than fan wild ass speculation.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 12, 2021, 09:54:54 PM
How much pain are we talking about? How should we prepare?
Pain is good. Speeds up the learning process.
This is the year we take pain so we can learn to dish it out
Thought we played a lot better tonight than we did on Tuesday. Baby steps.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 12, 2021, 10:50:31 PM
Thought we played a lot better tonight than we did on Tuesday. Baby steps.
Agreed. Baby steps, but showed a lot of promise
Each team took 27 3-pointers; UNH got 15 more points from their attempts. I am concerned this will be a theme this season ... and we will play many, many teams that are a lot better than UNH. Opposing coaches will dare us to shoot until we show we can hit 'em with any consistency.
Either Morsell has improved significantly, or he has way more offensive game than we were led to believe. (Or way more than he was allowed to show at Md?) Mostly lets game come to him, nice looking form, confident FT shooter. So far, a great get by Shaka; we'd be doomed without him.
JL came through when we needed him but needs to be dialed in from the start. Great that he stepped up and hitting those FTs at the end after bricking some earlier ones.
Loved Oso's activity out there. Excellent hustle on several occasions, including a floor burn to set up a huge 3 by Morsell.
Based on what we've seen so far, Kuath < Theo.
Just about every time Kolek was on the court, UNH immediately went to the guy he was trying to defend ... and Shaka had to get him out of there. And offensively, Tyler never looked comfortable tonight.
I'm really looking forward to watching Kam and Stevie get better and better.
After a poor rebounding effort against SIUE and a poor start on the boards tonight, it was nice to see that part of our game improve a lot as the night went on. Shaka read them the riot act, perhaps?
In the end, I was relieved to get the win over a well-coached team. We are not good enough or experienced enough to look down our noses at any opponent. Any win is a good win.
Tyler has a banged up knee.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 12, 2021, 11:08:16 PM
Tyler has a banged up knee.
He struggled well before he banged knees.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on November 12, 2021, 10:20:27 PM
Strangely quiet night from Kolek (0-5 from 3). Sat for long periods. More hurt than we thought?
I thought people were overrating Kolek based on one half against a sub-300 team. Going to be a good player but, well, people were rushing to judgement. Going to be a good player, but folks, he isn't the 2md coming of T. Diener.
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 12, 2021, 11:10:24 PM
I thought people were overrating Kolek based on one half against a sub-300 team. Going to be a good player but, well, people were rushing to judgement. Going to be a good player, but folks, he isn't the 2md coming of T. Diener.
This.
I am not down on Kolek at all. Frankly, I don't know enough about him to have much of an opinion about him yet. But we had Scoopers comparing him to Diener and Nash after one game against a horrible team. Is he a starting Big East PG? Hopefully. We'll see soon enough. But that wasn't a good one for him tonight.
-15 from three and single digit TOs forced.
That's gonna be a loss most nights for them. Glad they found a way.
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 12, 2021, 11:10:24 PM
I thought people were overrating Kolek based on one half against a sub-300 team. Going to be a good player but, well, people were rushing to judgement. Going to be a good player, but folks, he isn't the 2md coming of T. Diener.
Dickie may have overshot when he said "Kolek will be #1 in the BEast in assists and top 3 in the nation.:
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 12, 2021, 10:05:31 PM
12. Morsell is really, really good
13. We commit way too many silly fouls (lots of unnecessary reaches and grabs)
14. Stevie Mitchell will be good but see #13.
4 out of Stevie's 5 fouls were 100% apparent 2 seconds before he committed them. You can see it coming.
Quote from: bananahammock on November 12, 2021, 09:44:39 PM
I thought Butch was really good. And, yes, reminds me/sounds like Dakich.
Yeah he was quality, much to my chagrin. Gotta hand it to him
Quote from: Jockey on November 12, 2021, 11:16:19 PM
4 out of Stevie's 5 fouls were 100% apparent 2 seconds before he committed them. You can see it coming.
Yep
Quote from: MU82 on November 12, 2021, 11:05:37 PM
Either Morsell has improved significantly, or he has way more offensive game than we were led to believe. (Or way more than he was allowed to show at Md?)
Well he is being given more minutes, but also don't forget we're playing cupcakes. I recall past MU players from past MU coaches that looked good offensively against cupcakes too, and not so much the rest of the year.
Not saying that's Morsell, but I'll reserve the "improved significantly" talk until we have a more complete picture. We've certainly needed that output the past couple games.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 12, 2021, 11:15:49 PM
Dickie may have overshot when he said "Kolek will be #1 in the BEast in assists and top 3 in the nation.:
Dickey seriously is the worst game analyst I've heard in 50 years of listening/watching basketball. I nearly choked on my iced tea when he said that. Beyond ridiculous.
I agree with several others about Brian Butch. Very solid tonight.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 12, 2021, 11:22:22 PM
Well he is being given more minutes, but also don't forget we're playing cupcakes. I recall past MU players from past MU coaches that looked good offensively against cupcakes too, and not so much the rest of the year.
Not saying that's Morsell, but I'll reserve the "improved significantly" talk until we have a more complete picture. We've certainly needed that output the past couple games.
Very fair take, rocky.
Based on what I had heard about him and on his very pedestrian offensive stats at Md, I for some reason expected a slightly better version of Derrick Wilson on offense. He obviously is far superior to that ... or at least he has been so far.
But yes, as is the case with every player on our team this season, Morsell merits a big "we'll see" at this point.
Please someone tell the team, the WHITE line is the college 3. To many NBA 3s attempted.
Quote from: MU82 on November 12, 2021, 11:05:37 PM
Either Morsell has improved significantly, or he has way more offensive game than we were led to believe. (Or way more than he was allowed to show at Md?) Mostly lets game come to him, nice looking form, confident FT shooter. So far, a great get by Shaka; we'd be doomed without him.
Just note Morsell had surgery during last season to repair a facial fracture and he also played the entire season with a torn labrum which he had surgically repaired this off-season. Dude's a baller. Probably at 80%.
When Tyler announced his transfer to Marquette, Shaka tweeted out a photo of Travis.
Let's stop this BS of "Scoop is comparing him to Travis"
FFS, Shaka is comparing him to Travis.
Rebounding was attrocious...but...after giving up 8 offensive boards in the first 9 minutes. They only gave up 1 the rest of the game, including 0 in the second half. Rough start but Shaka cleaned it up.
My biggest concern is 3P shooting on both ends of the court. We held them to 10/30 on 2P shots which is excellent even factoring the lower level of competition. Giving them 27 mostly open 3P opportunities and them making 12 of them is the only thing besides fouls that kept them in the game.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 12, 2021, 10:25:58 PM
Your first sentence is my biggest concern. And frankly I'm a little surprised they have struggled to this degree.
I thought Kuath was going to be a little better, but it's looking like he's going to end up a 10-15 minute guy this year like he was at Oklahoma.
Omax is a young guy with some good size. I'm hoping Shaka and the staff can develop him into a solid contributor eventually. He's rawer than freshman Cain though at this point. So, I'm not expecting anything consistent from him this year.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on November 12, 2021, 10:20:27 PM
Strangely quiet night from Kolek (0-5 from 3). Sat for long periods. More hurt than we thought?
It wasn't so much the 0-5, it was that all 5 were good looks and none of them were remotely close to going in. Absolute bricks.
Quote from: Silkk the Shaka on November 12, 2021, 11:18:53 PM
Yeah he was quality, much to my chagrin. Gotta hand it to him
Kolek wasn't the same after banging his knee.
Listening to Butch last night describe what MU's young guys were doing wrong defensively gave me insight into Bo's, and therefore Gard's, defensive philosophy. The talk about not reaching and the angle of the hips defensively in relation to the driving offensive player was quite insightful. We are always frustrated about Wiscy getting away with so much contact defensively. But they don't reach and their chest and hips are almost always square, so they are basically playing defense with their angles and their chest.
Quote from: The Lens on November 13, 2021, 01:09:17 AM
When Tyler announced his transfer to Marquette, Shaka tweeted out a photo of Travis.
Let's stop this BS of "Scoop is comparing him to Travis"
FFS, Shaka is comparing him to Travis.
Unless he deleted it, there is no such tweet.
Quote from: tower912 on November 13, 2021, 06:39:48 AM
Kolek wasn't the same after banging his knee.
Listening to Butch last night describe what MU's young guys were doing wrong defensively gave me insight into Bo's, and therefore Gard's, defensive philosophy. The talk about not reaching and the angle of the hips defensively in relation to the driving offensive player was quite insightful. We are always frustrated about Wiscy getting away with so much contact defensively. But they don't reach and their chest and hips are almost always square, so they are basically playing defense with their angles and their chest.
The one thing I noticed is that they oftentimes got out of place because they over-rotated or took bad angles. Young players tend to do this. Sometimes moving too fast on the defensive end when they don't have to, then get out of place, leaving to open shots. This will come with experience and confidence, but IMO it's going to take some time and be painful at times.
Yes. It takes time to learn how to defend aggressively without fouling.
This team isn't very good at the moment. My thought entering the season was, let's see how they are playing, maybe not winning, by the end of the season. As is, this isn't a tournament team and the gap between them and the top of the conference is a wide gulf. I fear they're much closer to DePaul than even Xavier.
Despite this, I understand this is a process and it'll be painful and ugly at times. There were also enough periods within last nights game that were encouraging and leads me to believe there will also be nights when it all clicks and teams they end up beating will ask how that happened.
All in all, I think .500 would be a good season.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on November 12, 2021, 10:20:27 PM
Hate to say it, but Kur & OMax are not BE-ready interior players. They will get eaten.
MU starts 3 interior players?
OMax needs to play better...but I don't consider him an interior player.
Kuath is situational based upon match-ups in my opinion. While Morsell has been great (a smarter McNeal?)....Oso has saved our ass in two games given I wasn't expecting much from him.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 13, 2021, 01:14:10 AM
Rebounding was attrocious...but...after giving up 8 offensive boards in the first 9 minutes. They only gave up 1 the rest of the game, including 0 in the second half. Rough start but Shaka cleaned it up.
My biggest concern is 3P shooting on both ends of the court. We held them to 10/30 on 2P shots which is excellent even factoring the lower level of competition. Giving them 27 mostly open 3P opportunities and them making 12 of them is the only thing besides fouls that kept them in the game.
Interestingly, MU's defense is 35th best at not giving up second chance conversions. And is 17th in overall opponent FG% versus average. This may be the quality of opponent, so we will find out more Monday, but that puts MU's overall at 39th best on defense using possession data.
As Shaka said on his Thursday show, they categorize shots on offense into three buckets: 1) At the rim, 2) open threes and 3) all others in terms of priority. Conversely, MU's defense is designed to stop opponents in that priority. At the rim rank is 4th, trey field goal is 44th, mid range 60th, for the 17th overall so far. On offense, MU plays fast (4th lowest time of possession) and plays slow on defense (228th).
As great as Morsell was in hitting big shots, stopping runs, getting to the rim, etc...in a game that MU only won because of FT discrepancy, and after fouling out the previous game, he plays 34 min giving us excellent offense and defense with 0 personal fouls. Damn near perfect game.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 12, 2021, 10:15:12 PM
And Illinois without Kofi *clobbered* an Arkansas St.team 92-53 that in theory is way better than New Hampshire. Not to mention the 71-47 drubbing of Jackson St. who is also theoretically better than UNH.
I'm not optimistic about the IL game, but I'll be watching regardless. Maybe the home court will be worth 30 points or so :)
Ken Pom:
Arkansas State - 191
New Hampshire - 214
Jackson State - 280
But I get what you are saying. SIU-E lost to friggin Chicago State by 11 last night...that's more than concerning.
Quote from: avid1010 on November 13, 2021, 07:28:52 AM
Ken Pom:
Arkansas State - 191
New Hampshire - 214
Jackson State - 280
But I get what you are saying. SIU-E lost to friggin Chicago State by 11 last night...that's more than concerning.
Change to an 8 man rotation, have a crazy crowd. IU game could be single digits. It will be hard to shoot worse than MU has, a regression game is coming.
Quote from: avid1010 on November 13, 2021, 07:28:52 AM
But I get what you are saying. SIU-E lost to friggin Chicago State by 11 last night...that's more than concerning.
Hey now. Chicago State beat future Big East member St. Thomas too.
Quote from: The Lens on November 13, 2021, 01:09:17 AM
When Tyler announced his transfer to Marquette, Shaka tweeted out a photo of Travis.
Let's stop this BS of "Scoop is comparing him to Travis"
FFS, Shaka is comparing him to Travis.
I never saw such a tweet and never heard him say anything like that, and Fluffy says the tweet no longer exists if it ever did, so the only folks I know of who made the comparison were Scoopers.
But if Shaka tweeted that, he was wrong based on all evidence so far. And Steve Nash? And leading the Big East in assists (not a Scooper but the worst announcer ever)? And just the general gushing after a way-too-close win over a shyte team?
Look, I do not want to be in a position of tearing down one of our guys. I am very much hoping that Tyler is a BEast PG or combo guard. He might be. All I've said is that based on what we know today ... we don't know if he is. I don't know how any objective observer can look at Tyler's body of work so far and say, "Diener!" (or anything else, good or bad). I also realize it's fan nature to always try to make comparisons to players we know. So-and-so is a poor man's Wade; so-and-so reminds me of Diener, etc.
So far, I have seen Kolek play 47 minutes over two games in his entire career. He had some very nice assists (mostly in the first half of his first game against a really bad team), he generally seemed to have good vision on offense, he shot poorly, and he was beaten regularly on D. He doesn't remind me of anybody yet. We'll see!
BTW, the only pic on Instagram that Shaka had about Kolek was this one. Also no comparison to Travis.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNsZqXHBwG4/
Just because Kolek is white doesn't mean he's the next Travis Diener
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 13, 2021, 08:37:56 AM
Just because Kolek is white doesn't mean he's the next Travis Diener
What if you put him in a blender ?
I thought the team looked improved vs how they looked against SIUE.
If they could make a few buckets we'd have been in much better position.
I do also think there's an element of playing down to the level of their opponent.
We'll find out Monday.
Side note. If you read brew's breakdown on UNH and the amount of experience they bring back... they may not be top tier D1 4-5* players.
But UNH played an 8 man rotation: 0 were freshmen. 2 sophomores. 1 junior and 5 seniors.
MU: 10 man rotation: 4 frosh, 4 sophomores, 2 seniors.
Don't look at the upcoming schedule. Only see maybe 1 or 2 wins until January.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 13, 2021, 06:39:59 AM
Unless he deleted it, there is no such tweet.
Yes there is: https://twitter.com/CoachShakaSmart/status/1382476355573530630
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 13, 2021, 08:37:56 AM
Just because Kolek is white doesn't mean he's the next Travis Diener
I'm not sure that such a bald reference to a player's color is PC. Certainly you meant "traditional."
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 13, 2021, 09:00:19 AM
Yes there is: https://twitter.com/CoachShakaSmart/status/1382476355573530630
OK I saw that but didn't think that was any sort of comparison. But that was the date Kolek committed I guess....
Quote from: geps on November 13, 2021, 08:58:00 AM
Don't look at the upcoming schedule. Only see maybe 1 or 2 wins until January.
Good to see Scoop is back.
As many have stated, I am looking for consistent improvement as a measure of success. Friday was better than Tuesday.
Likely that Monday is a rough game. We're definitely missing Greg right now as a catalyst for shooting. But it is and will get better.
A few more threes fall in each of these first two games and I think the tone is very different here.
Thought the halfcourt defense looked better last night. Press seemed less fixated on turnovers as much as trying to get them I their offense later. Might be time for Oso to start, or play Lewis at the 5 for some stretches. Kur has been basically unplayable the first two games.
Remember the first games are sans GE. That s a huge amount of experience on the team.
I liked when the play by play guy mentioned the highlight of Justin's freshman year was his game winning tip in against Wisconsin and Butch remained silent.
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 13, 2021, 09:44:16 AM
A few more threes fall in each of these first two games and I think the tone is very different here.
Thought the halfcourt defense looked better last night. Press seemed less fixated on turnovers as much as trying to get them I their offense later. Might be time for Oso to start, or play Lewis at the 5 for some stretches. Kur has been basically unplayable the first two games.
Gotta remember that Kuath played on an outstanding defensive team last year. He didn't need to constantly cover for young guards who can't stay on their man. It's going to take him a while to adjust.
Quote from: fjm on November 13, 2021, 08:50:18 AM
Side note. If you read brew's breakdown on UNH and the amount of experience they bring back... they may not be top tier D1 4-5* players.
But UNH played an 8 man rotation: 0 were freshmen. 2 sophomores. 1 junior and 5 seniors.
MU: 10 man rotation: 4 frosh, 4 sophomores, 2 seniors.
I felt that UNH was not a very talented team but was a well-coached team that patiently sought quality shots and played well together. Their experience -- not just their ages/years but also their time together -- showed.
Quote from: avid1010 on November 13, 2021, 07:28:52 AM
Ken Pom:
Arkansas State - 191
New Hampshire - 214
Jackson State - 280
But I get what you are saying. SIU-E lost to friggin Chicago State by 11 last night...that's more than concerning.
Also fair. I'm *attempting* to just use free T-rank this year (I don't know which would be more accurate, honestly), but He's got:
Arkansas State - 176
Jackson State - 195
New Hampshire - 225
(UNH got a decent bump from playing us close)
MU has also dropped from 89 -> 99 -> 102 after these 2 games.
Quote from: tower912 on November 13, 2021, 11:41:42 AM
I liked when the play by play guy mentioned the highlight of Justin's freshman year was his game winning tip in against Wisconsin and Butch remained silent.
To me this was the funniest part of the commentary.
Also I know this was said before, but Butch sounded a lot like Dakich
Quote from: zcg2013 on November 13, 2021, 12:31:08 PM
Also I know this was said before, but Butch sounded a lot like Dakich
I missed the first minute of the telecast when the PBP guy introduced himself and Butch, so listening to the game I just assumed it was Dakich. A couple times, I thought I heard the PBP guy make references to "Brian" and I didn't know who the hell he was talking about. Wasn't until well into the telecast that I realized he definitely was saying Brian and I looked it up to see it was Butch.
Quote from: tower912 on November 12, 2021, 09:53:47 PM
I am. There is nothing to lose and so many lessons to be learned.
Well, the game.
Quote from: MU82 on November 13, 2021, 12:34:43 PM
I missed the first minute of the telecast when the PBP guy introduced himself and Butch, so listening to the game I just assumed it was Dakich. A couple times, I thought I heard the PBP guy make references to "Brian" and I didn't know who the hell he was talking about. Wasn't until well into the telecast that I realized he definitely was saying Brian and I looked it up to see it was Butch.
Or you can look at the pinned thread at the top. The pbp guy was the former Marquette of announcer as well.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on November 13, 2021, 01:20:31 PM
Or you can look at the pinned thread at the top. The pbp guy was the former Marquette of announcer as well.
When I said "I looked it up," that's where I looked it up. I had forgotten to check beforehand, and I spend little to no time on the interwebs during games. But it was bugging me so I quickly checked your thread during a time-out.
I always appreciate you keeping that updated, Mr. N. Thank you for your service!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 13, 2021, 12:24:14 PM
Also fair. I'm *attempting* to just use free T-rank this year (I don't know which would be more accurate, honestly), but He's got:
Arkansas State - 176
Jackson State - 195
New Hampshire - 225
(UNH got a decent bump from playing us close)
MU has also dropped from 89 -> 99 -> 102 after these 2 games.
MU has dropped on KP but on Haslametrics they've jumped up actually, which I'm sure someone here can explain. He's projecting us as 3pt underdogs Monday. 73-70.
Offense 89->72
Defense 61->39
Overall 68->59
We're a top 100 team if you use the current efficiency ratings of our first two games. We're close to a top 50 team if you calculate our 3pt shooting as it currently sits is an anomaly. Even at 32% 3pt shooting percentage, lower than last year, MU would move up 11-12 ken pom spots.
Haslametrics likely integrates more shot quality data, even if its just location based, than most of these efficiency based sites.
Quote from: MU82 on November 13, 2021, 02:16:26 PM
I always appreciate you keeping that updated, Mr. N. Thank you for your service!
I appreciate you saying that.
Kolek looked a little dinged up to me last night. Thought I saw him on the bench with an ice pack on his knee.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 13, 2021, 04:41:09 PM
Kolek looked a little dinged up to me last night. Thought I saw him on the bench with an ice pack on his knee.
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Quote from: tower912 on November 12, 2021, 09:40:36 PM
1. Slow starts two straight games.
2. The half court offense is pick and roll and dribble drive. I have seen three sets run in two games. Any open 3 is a good look, regardless of shooter. Then try and get to the rim.
3. UNH succeeded in slowing down the game, forcing MU to play a half court game.
4. Through 2 games, Osa>>>Kur.
5. It is clear that everyone has the green light from 3. I think this is the long game. Get them use to shooting. Eventually, they will start hitting.
6. Glad to see EE on the floor.
7. It pains me, but Butch did a nice job of explaining the freshmen mistakes and process. He sounds like Dakich without the arrogance.
8. I am ready to see Greg hitting some catch and shoot 3's.
9. So many needless fouls.
10. Funny how free throws always seem to matta at the end.
11. MU has now seen two completely different styles. They have struggled and fought and hacked and slapped and slopped. They could be 0-2, but they aren't. It is a process.
In attendance last night. My friend and I both noticed how in the opening minutes (frankly it extended well into the 1st half) how many times our guys would beat their defender with a spin move, crossover or the like, and not finish. I lost track of how many time we missed a "bunny" once the defender was beat and the ball clanged off the rim or ricocheted off the backboard.
Atheliticism was there, but the touch or control was sorely lacking. I think that will come. I love the quickness.
Quote from: romey on November 13, 2021, 04:59:32 PM
In attendance last night. My friend and I both noticed how in the opening minutes (frankly it extended well into the 1st half) how many times our guys would beat their defender with a spin move, crossover or the like, and not finish. I lost track of how many time we missed a "bunny" once the defender was beat and the ball clanged off the rim or ricocheted off the backboard.
Atheliticism was there, but the touch or control was sorely lacking. I think that will come. I love the quickness.
Guess think underclassman Vander
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 13, 2021, 04:41:09 PM
Kolek looked a little dinged up to me last night. Thought I saw him on the bench with an ice pack on his knee.
Shaka said he saw his minutes reduced as a result of his injury.
Also said they need to start hitting 3's...pretty simple at this point.
Quote from: jfp61 on November 13, 2021, 03:03:52 PM
We're a top 100 team if you use the current efficiency ratings of our first two games. We're close to a top 50 team if you calculate our 3pt shooting as it currently sits is an anomaly. Even at 32% 3pt shooting percentage, lower than last year, MU would move up 11-12 ken pom spots.
Haslametrics likely integrates more shot quality data, even if its just location based, than most of these efficiency based sites.
We played bad teams, so our efficiency rating is inflated.
NM TAMU beat me to it.
Quote from: fjm on November 13, 2021, 08:44:00 AM
If they could make a few buckets we'd have been in much better position.
Yeah, if we were better we'd be better!
I thought Kolek started without a knee brace, then had an extended period on the bench, and then he ended the game with a black knee brace on.