This team is really talented and going to win a lot of games this year!!!
I know this is in direct contradiction to the funeral procession of constant negative posts about the outlook of this year's team. The board's propensity to group think, while acting as if they are the majority, when they are in fact a very small minority of Marquette's total fan base reminds me of Twitter in many ways.
Somehow having a roster of many new players, with some of them being relatively young is a problem unique only to Marquette and not to just about every other participant in Div. I Basketball. And since "we" believe only Marquette has these problems then we should all be very pessimistic about the outlook of this year's team. ::)
In reality, like Buzz's teams, this roster if full of players with the potential to flirt with NBA rosters someday.
Kolek - Is really good and reminds me some of Steve Nash in that he keeps his dribble even under the basket while constantly looking for his shot or for someone to break open to pass to.
OMP - Has an amazing body as he's a legit 6'8 with guard and forward skills. He'll provide a lot of matchup problems.
Oso - Is very long and smart with a very high ceiling. He's also very muscular with wide shoulders and is already a physical presence and he's still only 19.
Morsell/Lewis/Kuath - All very talented and proven and will be impact players all season.
Mitchell/Jones - Are not as good as they will be, but are going to collectively contribute to many victories this year. Mitchell is a very smart player that plays within himself although he doesn't dazzle you with athletic ability. Jones is very clever and smooth with the basketball and finds ways to create separation to get his shot off.
Greg Elliot - Not a huge fan of his as he's always falling down and hurt. However I acknowledge his ability to positively impact some games as he has a little bit of Vinny Johnson "Microwave" in him.
Other players like Joplin and Ellis probably won't see as much action this year. Joplin mostly because of the talent in front of him right now. Ellis might be the team's most talented player but hopefully he doesn't get frustrated and works to improve his basketball IQ and discipline this year so he can possibly take over Morsell's role next year. I like Itejere's talent also and think it was a smart decision for him/us to redshirt.
SIUE had a lot of team speed and quickness and contested every shot. They were a reflection of their coach and came out fighting. As mentioned before we'll always get opposing player's best games as we play in an NBA arena that tends to bring out extra gumption from opposing players. This was a great first test for us as we got challenged and still answered the bell.
I like this team now and expect us to beat Illinois at home and compete and win many, many games this year!
Too bad our home court atmosphere won't be as dynamic this year due to lingering Covid worries, a sluggish economy and the damage from past left wing political statements made by last year's team... I personally know this kept some people from renewing their tickets.
Go Marquette! It will be fun to watch a team continue to get better and win all year long instead of showing early flashes and religiously collapsing by February. ;D
Like your optimism, but that's Illinois coming in, not SIU, and certainly not SIUE.
Quote from: duanewade on November 10, 2021, 11:57:29 AM
This team is really talented and going to win a lot of games this year.!!!
I know this is in direct contradiction to the funeral procession of constant negative posts about the outlook of this year's team. The board's propensity to group think, while acting as if they are the majority, when they are in fact a very small minority of Marquette's total fan base reminds me of Twitter in many ways.
Somehow having a roster of many new players, with some of them being relatively young is a problem unique only to Marquette and not to just about every other participant in Div. I Basketball. And since "we" believe only Marquette has these problems then we should all be very pessimistic about the outlook of this year's team. ::)
In reality, like Buzz's teams, this roster if full of players with the potential to flirt with NBA rosters someday.
Kolek - Is really good and reminds me some of Steve Nash in that he keeps his dribble even under the basket while constantly looking for his shot or for someone to break open to pass to.
OMP - Has an amazing body as he's a legit 6'8 with guard and forward skills. He'll provide a lot of matchup problems.
Oso - Is very long and smart with a very high ceiling. He's also very muscular with wide shoulders and is already a physical presence and he's still only 19.
Morsell/Lewis/Kuath - All very talented and proven and will be impact players all season.
Mitchell/Jones - Are not as good as they will be, but are going to collectively contribute to many victories this year. Mitchell is a very smart player that plays within himself although he doesn't dazzle you with athletic ability. Jones is very clever and smooth with the basketball and finds ways to create separation to get his shot off.
Greg Elliot - Not a huge fan of his as he's always falling down and hurt. However I acknowledge his ability to positively impact some games as he has a little bit of Vinny Johnson "Microwave" in him.
Other players like Joplin and Ellis probably won't see as much action this year. Joplin mostly because of the talent in front of him right now. Ellis might be the team's most talented player but hopefully he doesn't get frustrated and works to improve his basketball IQ and discipline this year so her can possibly take over Morsell's role next year. I like Itejere's talent also and think it was a smart decision for him/us to redshirt.
SIUE had a lot of team speed and quickness and contested every shot. They were a reflection of their coach and came out fighting. As mentioned before we'll always get opposing players best games as we play in an NBA arena that tends to bring out extra gumption from opposing players. This was a great first test for us as we got challenged and still answered the bell.
I like this team now and expect us to beat Illinois at home and compete and win many, many games this year!
Too bad our home court atmosphere won't be as dynamic this year due to lingering Covid worries, a sluggish economy and the damage from past left wing political statements made by last year's team... I personally know this kept some people from renewing their tickets.
Go Marquette! It will be fun to watch a team continue to get better and win all year long instead of showing early flashes and religiously collapsing by February. ;D
Tremendous optimism! It's conceivable we had a dud game and can find a way to get our act together. A bit concerned about 11/15. :)
Could have sworn that we already knew Shaka didn't have "it" when he missed on Leon Bond.
Quote from: duanewade on November 10, 2021, 11:57:29 AM
This team is really talented and going to win a lot of games this year.!!!
I know this is in direct contradiction to the funeral procession of constant negative posts about the outlook of this year's team. The board's propensity to group think, while acting as if they are the majority, when they are in fact a very small minority of Marquette's total fan base reminds me of Twitter in many ways.
Somehow having a roster of many new players, with some of them being relatively young is a problem unique only to Marquette and not to just about every other participant in Div. I Basketball. And since "we" believe only Marquette has these problems then we should all be very pessimistic about the outlook of this year's team. ::)
In reality, like Buzz's teams, this roster if full of players with the potential to flirt with NBA rosters someday.
Kolek - Is really good and reminds me some of Steve Nash in that he keeps his dribble even under the basket while constantly looking for his shot or for someone to break open to pass to.
OMP - Has an amazing body as he's a legit 6'8 with guard and forward skills. He'll provide a lot of matchup problems.
Oso - Is very long and smart with a very high ceiling. He's also very muscular with wide shoulders and is already a physical presence and he's still only 19.
Morsell/Lewis/Kuath - All very talented and proven and will be impact players all season.
Mitchell/Jones - Are not as good as they will be, but are going to collectively contribute to many victories this year. Mitchell is a very smart player that plays within himself although he doesn't dazzle you with athletic ability. Jones is very clever and smooth with the basketball and finds ways to create separation to get his shot off.
Greg Elliot - Not a huge fan of his as he's always falling down and hurt. However I acknowledge his ability to positively impact some games as he has a little bit of Vinny Johnson "Microwave" in him.
Other players like Joplin and Ellis probably won't see as much action this year. Joplin mostly because of the talent in front of him right now. Ellis might be the team's most talented player but hopefully he doesn't get frustrated and works to improve his basketball IQ and discipline this year so her can possibly take over Morsell's role next year. I like Itejere's talent also and think it was a smart decision for him/us to redshirt.
SIUE had a lot of team speed and quickness and contested every shot. They were a reflection of their coach and came out fighting. As mentioned before we'll always get opposing player's best games as we play in an NBA arena that tends to bring out extra gumption from opposing players. This was a great first test for us as we got challenged and still answered the bell.
I like this team now and expect us to beat Illinois at home and compete and win many, many games this year!
Too bad our home court atmosphere won't be as dynamic this year due to lingering Covid worries, a sluggish economy and the damage from past left wing political statements made by last year's team... I personally know this kept some people from renewing their tickets.
Go Marquette! It will be fun to watch a team continue to get better and win all year long instead of showing early flashes and religiously collapsing by February. ;D
I agree with this analysis.
I'm really not sure if I preferred wildly negative duanewade, or this new wildly positive duanewade.
Maybe duanewade is like cowbell, "fellas -- you're gonna want that cowbell on the track!"
Quote from: duanewade on November 10, 2021, 11:57:29 AM
Somehow having a roster of many new players, with some of them being relatively young is a problem unique only to Marquette and not to just about every other participant in Div. I Basketball. And since "we" believe only Marquette has these problems then we should all be very pessimistic about the outlook of this year's team. ::)
No one has ever said it's unique to Marquette. It is true about this year's team and no it is not true about every other participant in Div. I Basketball this season.
Of the 240 teams who have played a basketball game so far this season, Marquette ranks 237th in Experience per KenPom (his ranks don't populate until teams play their first game). That's the 1st percentile. We are younger and more inexperienced than almost 99% of every other D1 team that has played a game. That's not an excuse, just a fact. Inexperienced teams tend to be inconsistent and make more mistakes than experienced ones. It doesn't mean that we will be bad this season but I do think it means that we will be better at the end of the season than we are now and that if the majority of the core returns that we will be better next season than we are this season.
Quote from: duanewade on November 10, 2021, 11:57:29 AM
This team is really talented and going to win a lot of games this year.!!!
I know this is in direct contradiction to the funeral procession of constant negative posts about the outlook of this year's team. The board's propensity to group think, while acting as if they are the majority, when they are in fact a very small minority of Marquette's total fan base reminds me of Twitter in many ways.
........
That is something I have thought for a long time on Scoop.
As to the rest of your post, I love the optimism even if I don't agree with all of the takes.
I think our guard rotation will be pretty good as we get into the season.
The center rotation will be OK. Lots of blocks, but will worry about foul trouble there almost every game. Pts/Rebounds per game will be at least as good and probably better than the Theo era.
The forward rotation is what has me worried. Justin should be OK if he stops pretending to be a ball-handler. Needs to get the ball in the low post more often, but should be close to a double-double guy. O-Max was my biggest disappointment of the game and Joplin isn't near ready yet.
Teas defense and half court offense will be the issues.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 10, 2021, 12:12:02 PM
I'm really not sure if I preferred wildly negative duanewade, or this new wildly positive duanewade.
Maybe duanewade is like cowbell, "fellas -- you're gonna want that cowbell on the track!"
Have to admit I was expecting the complete opposite when I clicked the thread.
Optimism is not reality. Just hope to see improvement as the year progresses.
Duh fuq? This is a sign the apocalypse is imminent
I hope you are right for a change.
I'm not going to recopy Brother Duane's entire comment but I share the optimism.
How many of you went into a class and struggled with your first examination? You learned very quickly what the professor expected and adapted your classroom performance to prevailing expectations.
Our team is no different. Yes, they had teaching (aka, practice) sessions and yes, Bowie State amounted to a practice test. But last night was the first quiz of the term and we passed. Might have been a B-/C+ effort but we learned what it took to succeed. I'm looking for much improvement Friday evening.
Some things I saw:
-- Oso was exciting. He rode the back end of the Wojo bench last year. This year he is an integral part of our rotation. The improvement this year over last year, including strength and stamina, justifies the effort Wojo put into recruiting him.
-- Morsell shows he may be the real deal. Not a big fan of Dickey Simpkins but he did make a point during the broadcast that Morsell was looking to be more than a one dimensional player that he was at Maryland. Morsell showed what he can do and I'm looking for big things from him this year.
-- Kurath is getting there. Fear he could be a Theo V2.0. Let's hope he is more.
-- Mitchell shows enormous promised. Kid has poise for a guy playing in his first NCAA D1 game.
-- Kolak is better than almost all of the Wojo era transfers. Love his passing skills and his shooting will come around.
-- Greg Elliott will be fine when he joins this group.
Again, I would caution everyone from making conclusions of a single game. Including me ;D
Why do you hate to break that to the board?
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 10, 2021, 01:38:20 PM
-- Kurath
-- Kolak
Hm, clearly we need more time with this team, those players don't exist ;D
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 10, 2021, 01:58:45 PM
Hm, clearly we need more time with this team, those players don't exist ;D
What do you mean? They're on our bench next to Justin Fields!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 10, 2021, 01:58:45 PM
Hm, clearly we need more time with this team, those players don't exist ;D
I've never referred to the online roster as many times as I did during last night's game. Frequently heard in my living room: "Wait a minute...who is that?"
I was looking closely for numbers.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 10, 2021, 02:00:20 PM
I've never referred to the online roster as many times as I did during last night's game. Frequently heard in my living room: "Wait a minute...who is that?"
My wife had the roster up on her phone almost the whole game and I saw a few people sitting around us did too lol
Quote from: tower912 on November 10, 2021, 02:15:29 PM
I was looking closely for numbers.
It absolutely didn't help that Lewis changed his number
and his hair.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 10, 2021, 12:54:50 PM
Have to admit I was expecting the complete opposite when I clicked the thread.
"aw shiet, here we go again"
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 10, 2021, 01:38:20 PM
Some things I saw:
-- Oso was exciting. He rode the back end of the Wojo bench last year. This year he is an integral part of our rotation. The improvement this year over last year, including strength and stamina, justifies the effort Wojo put into recruiting him.
Oso was physically pushed around last night. He is bigger and stronger and did some good things for sure, but he is going be be abused a lot this year and will be a detriment to defense and rebounding unless he gets a lot tougher.
Quote from: duanewade on November 10, 2021, 11:57:29 AM
This team is really talented and going to win a lot of games this year!!!
I know this is in direct contradiction to the funeral procession of constant negative posts about the outlook of this year's team. The board's propensity to group think, while acting as if they are the majority, when they are in fact a very small minority of Marquette's total fan base reminds me of Twitter in many ways.
Somehow having a roster of many new players, with some of them being relatively young is a problem unique only to Marquette and not to just about every other participant in Div. I Basketball. And since "we" believe only Marquette has these problems then we should all be very pessimistic about the outlook of this year's team. ::)
In reality, like Buzz's teams, this roster if full of players with the potential to flirt with NBA rosters someday.
Kolek - Is really good and reminds me some of Steve Nash in that he keeps his dribble even under the basket while constantly looking for his shot or for someone to break open to pass to.
OMP - Has an amazing body as he's a legit 6'8 with guard and forward skills. He'll provide a lot of matchup problems.
Oso - Is very long and smart with a very high ceiling. He's also very muscular with wide shoulders and is already a physical presence and he's still only 19.
Morsell/Lewis/Kuath - All very talented and proven and will be impact players all season.
Mitchell/Jones - Are not as good as they will be, but are going to collectively contribute to many victories this year. Mitchell is a very smart player that plays within himself although he doesn't dazzle you with athletic ability. Jones is very clever and smooth with the basketball and finds ways to create separation to get his shot off.
Greg Elliot - Not a huge fan of his as he's always falling down and hurt. However I acknowledge his ability to positively impact some games as he has a little bit of Vinny Johnson "Microwave" in him.
Other players like Joplin and Ellis probably won't see as much action this year. Joplin mostly because of the talent in front of him right now. Ellis might be the team's most talented player but hopefully he doesn't get frustrated and works to improve his basketball IQ and discipline this year so he can possibly take over Morsell's role next year. I like Itejere's talent also and think it was a smart decision for him/us to redshirt.
SIUE had a lot of team speed and quickness and contested every shot. They were a reflection of their coach and came out fighting. As mentioned before we'll always get opposing player's best games as we play in an NBA arena that tends to bring out extra gumption from opposing players. This was a great first test for us as we got challenged and still answered the bell.
I like this team now and expect us to beat Illinois at home and compete and win many, many games this year!
Too bad our home court atmosphere won't be as dynamic this year due to lingering Covid worries, a sluggish economy and the damage from past left wing political statements made by last year's team... I personally know this kept some people from renewing their tickets.
Go Marquette! It will be fun to watch a team continue to get better and win all year long instead of showing early flashes and religiously collapsing by February. ;D
Archman
tm is impressed with your word count.
Quote from: tower912 on November 10, 2021, 01:16:24 PM
I hope you are right for a change.
If you really look at his post it was more of a political statement.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 10, 2021, 01:58:45 PM
Hm, clearly we need more time with this team, those players don't exist ;D
Cousins!
Quote from: duanewade on November 10, 2021, 11:57:29 AM
This team is really talented and going to win a lot of games this year!!!
I know this is in direct contradiction to the funeral procession of constant negative posts about the outlook of this year's team. The board's propensity to group think, while acting as if they are the majority, when they are in fact a very small minority of Marquette's total fan base reminds me of Twitter in many ways.
Just wait until the end of the year, when people jump on board the "Marquette overachieved" bandwagon rather than admit they simply underpredicted.
This game didn't change my feelings for the year over all. I am expecting a clunker against Illinois and UCLA a la Iowa, Indiana, Michigan. A good game against Wisco. Middle of the road Big East.
There is a solid foundation but I think we are going to see several shooting games like last night. I expect us to be better at the end of the season.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 10, 2021, 05:31:05 PM
If you really look at his post it was more of a political statement.
Good call. I had given up by the end.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 10, 2021, 05:31:05 PM
If you really look at his post it was more of a political statement.
I don't think most of us read that far.
Quote from: duanewade on November 10, 2021, 11:57:29 AM
Too bad our home court atmosphere won't be as dynamic this year due to lingering Covid worries, a sluggish economy and the damage from past left wing political statements made by last year's team... I personally know this kept some people from renewing their tickets.
You're an idiot.
This is a basketball board
Quote from: Jockey on November 10, 2021, 06:29:29 PM
I don't think most of us read that far.
What can I say, I love to read.
Quote from: The Equalizer on November 10, 2021, 05:42:21 PM
Just wait until the end of the year, when people jump on board the "Marquette overachieved" bandwagon rather than admit they simply underpredicted.
So...by that logic can any team overachieve? Or are they always underpredicted?
At least I'm not the only one who remembers BLM is the reason wojo got fired
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 10, 2021, 08:46:17 PM
So...by that logic can any team overachieve? Or are they always underpredicted?
Well it is...and It isnt.
Quote from: tower912 on November 10, 2021, 06:18:28 PM
Good call. I had given up by the end.
Me too. I hadn't realized it was a political screed.
I'm actually a lot less optimistic about this season than I was before the first game after watching the team play.
My main concern is that despite our size, it doesn't seem like the bigs have enough physicality or enough of a "motor" currently. I think our best lineup will end up being Lewis at 5 and Morsell at 4 (like he did at Maryland).
Only time I'll make this distinction ever again, but the Wojo freshman look to be ahead of the Shaka freshman at this point. I thought Ellis would make a difference on this team, but I may have really whiffed on that if he can't even get in a game like this.
I will say I'm optimistic about Shaka though. Proven guy and will have MU at least be a round of 32 program which is all I ask for. Somewhere between Crean and Buzz.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 10, 2021, 02:00:20 PM
I've never referred to the online roster as many times as I did during last night's game. Frequently heard in my living room: "Wait a minute...who is that?"
Lol - I had the MU Gameday open to Roster to figure out who was who. It felt at time I was watching some other team. We will get used to it
Quote from: BallBoy on November 10, 2021, 06:08:18 PM
This game didn't change my feelings for the year over all. I am expecting a clunker against Illinois and UCLA a la Iowa, Indiana, Michigan. A good game against Wisco. Middle of the road Big East.
There is a solid foundation but I think we are going to see several shooting games like last night. I expect us to be better at the end of the season.
14, maybe 15 wins. 17 losses.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 10, 2021, 09:52:51 PM
My main concern is that despite our size, it doesn't seem like the bigs have enough physicality or enough of a "motor" currently. I think our best lineup will end up being Lewis at 5 and Morsell at 4 (like he did at Maryland).
If there is anything I took from the game it is that Shaka has everyone, including the bigs, playing with high motors, maybe too high on the offense end.
You didn't think Oso, Kur, or OMax were playing with high motors??
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 10, 2021, 01:58:45 PM
Hm, clearly we need more time with this team, those players don't exist ;D
Ok my spelling sucks. Where are we, copy editing class? LOL
I admit, Luke Staudaucher or John Vivian would have flagged me if I was still in class at MU. But I'm just a humble Scooper, so I get a break this time.
Right?
Quote from: Viper on November 11, 2021, 06:56:04 AM
14, maybe 15 wins. 17 losses.
Agreed. If Shaka gets to .500 he overachieved. If he has less than 14 wins he underachieved for the year.
It seems like this year we are playing better competition in the nonconf and the Big East is always good. I don't see a team where we are guaranteed two wins but I do see a few where we are guaranteed two losses on paper. If Shaka gets the team to 5/6 in Big East he overachieved. Good news is I don't see much down side as consensus is we are bottom 4.
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 11, 2021, 07:56:39 AM
Ok my spelling sucks. Where are we, copy editing class? LOL
I admit, Luke Staudaucher or John Vivian would have flagged me if I was still at MU in class. But I'm just a humble Scooper, so I get a break this time.
Right?
As long as you do not write like forever, yeah, you deserve a break. Your crime was misspelling players' names. Anyone who wrote "Marcus" during his time at MU got the same treatment.
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 11, 2021, 07:46:22 AM
If there is anything I took from the game it is that Shaka has everyone, including the bigs, playing with high motors, maybe too high on the offense end.
You didn't think Oso, Kur, or OMax were playing with high motors??
No issue with their efforts whatsoever, but I felt there were a number of 50/50 balls and defensive rebound opportunities that were missed. Personally, I think it was time for both parties to explore new things, but a guy with Theo's physicality was noticeably absent Tuesday.
It was probably too much to make the statement after one bunny game, but I think this year's team will gain it's advantage by going smaller.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 11, 2021, 08:24:51 AM
As long as you do not write like forever, yeah, you deserve a break. Your crime was misspelling players' names. Anyone who wrote "Marcus" during his time at MU got the same treatment.
Yeah, I think I did that once without thinking. :D
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 11, 2021, 09:25:28 AM
Yeah, I think I did that once without thinking. :D
Spelling of players' names aside, I agree that Kolak is way better than any of Wojo's tranfers. ;D Love his passing!
You seem to be a favorite punching bag for some scoopers. Did you get beat up a lot when you were a kid?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 10, 2021, 08:46:17 PM
So...by that logic can any team overachieve? Or are they always underpredicted?
That's an interesting question. I'm inclined to say that "overachievement" is almost always a situation of being underestimated by someone else.
I start with an isolated case--some pundit states that Tyler Kolek is a bench player who won't contribue much. Then Tyler actually earns a starting role and dishes out 9 assists in his first game, a far better performance than that pundit thought he was capable of.
Did Tyler merely "overachieve?" Or did he actually put in the hard work to achieve to the level that his talent allowed him to perform? I suggest it's the latter.
Moreover, calling the outstanding prformance an "overachievement" seems to minimize the whole of Tyler's effort while at the same time absolving the initial pundit from taking any responsiblity for his erroneous prediction.
Saying the player or team overachieved to me seems to be a polite way to avoid saying "I was wrong in my prediction."
Quote from: The Equalizer on November 11, 2021, 10:04:02 AM
That's an interesting question. I'm inclined to say that "overachievement" is almost always a situation of being underestimated by someone else.
I start with an isolated case--some pundit states that Tyler Kolek is a bench player who won't contribue much. Then Tyler actually earns a starting role and dishes out 9 assists in his first game, a far better performance than that pundit thought he was capable of.
Did Tyler merely "overachieve?" Or did he actually put in the hard work to achieve to the level that his talent allowed him to perform? I suggest it's the latter.
Moreover, calling the outstanding prformance an "overachievement" seems to minimize the whole of Tyler's effort while at the same time absolving the initial pundit from taking any responsiblity for his erroneous prediction.
Saying the player or team overachieved to me seems to be a polite way to avoid saying "I was wrong in my prediction."
I think you'd need a larger data set to say someone over or under achieved. Last year we had two games where we overachieved. John Dawson had a game where he over achieved. We know this because we saw the larger data set and can point to outliers. On the other hand, as of now, it would seem that Tyler has the ability to play effectively at this level and is reaching his potential.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 11, 2021, 09:33:43 AM
Spelling of players' names aside, I agree that Kolak is way better than any of Wojo's tranfers. ;D
You seem to be a favorite punching bag for some scoopers. Did you get beat up a lot in grade school?
Dj Carton, Matt Carlino, Andrew Rowsey, Katin Reinhardt would beg to differ
Jayce Johnson, Ed Morrow, and Koby Mcewen are saying let's see.
Quote from: BallBoy on November 11, 2021, 10:22:08 AM
Dj Carton, Matt Carlino, Andrew Rowsey, Katin Reinhardt would beg to differ
Jayce Johnson, Ed Morrow, and Koby Mcewen are saying let's see.
Yep. If Kolek is as good at his job as Katin and AR were, most Marquette fans would be pretty happy.
Here's hoping he's a real good player for us. We'll know a lot more a month from now -- not only about Kolek but about a lot of stuff -- after Illinois, Charleston, Madison and UCLA.
Quote from: BallBoy on November 11, 2021, 10:22:08 AM
Dj Carton, Matt Carlino, Andrew Rowsey, Katin Reinhardt would beg to differ
Jayce Johnson, Ed Morrow, and Koby Mcewen are saying let's see.
True. I was just having a little fun with dgies' comment in order to repeat the spelling error. Guess I wasn't clear on that. Agree that Wojo had some really good tranfers and Kolek has only one game under his belt.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop link=topic= 62326.msg1382747#msg1382747 date=1636644823
Spelling of players' names aside, I agree that Kolak is way better than any of Wojo's tranfers. ;D Love his passing!
You seem to be a favorite punching bag for some scoopers. Did you get beat up a lot when you were a kid?
Brother Dgies is a Cardinals fan, main problem ;)
Quote from: The Equalizer on November 11, 2021, 10:04:02 AM
That's an interesting question. I'm inclined to say that "overachievement" is almost always a situation of being underestimated by someone else.
I start with an isolated case--some pundit states that Tyler Kolek is a bench player who won't contribue much. Then Tyler actually earns a starting role and dishes out 9 assists in his first game, a far better performance than that pundit thought he was capable of.
Did Tyler merely "overachieve?" Or did he actually put in the hard work to achieve to the level that his talent allowed him to perform? I suggest it's the latter.
Moreover, calling the outstanding prformance an "overachievement" seems to minimize the whole of Tyler's effort while at the same time absolving the initial pundit from taking any responsiblity for his erroneous prediction.
Saying the player or team overachieved to me seems to be a polite way to avoid saying "I was wrong in my prediction."
That makes sense. For me, when I talk about a team overachieving, I'm talking about a team performing better than the math says they should. We can argue until the cows come home about how accurate it is and whose math is the most legitimate, but it is possible to assign mathematical value to each player and project how good a team should be on paper. When a team performs better than that, I tend to say the overachieved. Not in the sense that they aren't as good as they seem or are overrated, but in the sense that for whatever reason be it coaching or system or strong player development or freshmen being underranked (or underperdicted), they are better than the math says they should be.
Quote from: BallBoy on November 11, 2021, 10:22:08 AM
Dj Carton, Matt Carlino, Andrew Rowsey, Katin Reinhardt would beg to differ
Jayce Johnson, Ed Morrow, and Koby Mcewen are saying let's see.
DJ Carton -- We shall see. With us one year and commanded a talented team with a losing record. Maybe he will play pro ball but don't hold your breath!
Matt Carlino, Andrew Rowsey & Katin Reinhardt -- Are you kidding me? Every damn one of them thought defense was an extra credit point when it came to playing basketball. Yeah, they could all shoot, but they probably gave up far more points than they ever scored. Having these guys play defense in a Marquette uniform was Al McGuire's purgatory. It's akin to having Satan throw another wad of hot coal on the cleansing flames of purgatory.
Quote from: Viper on November 11, 2021, 07:00:22 AM
opinions not allowed, comrade?
"Comrade". Adorable.
Opinions are certainly allowed as is the right to highlight the idiocy of said opinions.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 11, 2021, 09:33:43 AM
You seem to be a favorite punching bag for some scoopers. Did you get beat up a lot when you were a kid?
Oh hell no. Too tall and too mean.
I was the kid most likely to stir the pot. With that privilege comes the reality that my intellect just might be over the heads of some. LOL
8-)
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 11, 2021, 11:57:00 AM
Oh hell no. Too tall and too mean.
I was the kid most likely to stir the pot. With that privilege comes the reality that my intellect just might be over the heads of some. LOL
8-)
The Chef!
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 11, 2021, 03:53:46 PM
Could just be the saucier
Dead on. I also believe he samples some sauce before posting.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 11, 2021, 05:10:24 PM
Dead on. I also believe he samples some sauce before posting.
Uh, I'm pretty sure that's required in our terms of service. Topper made us put it there for horsey sauce, but dgies wouldn't be the first to interpret it differently.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 11, 2021, 05:15:30 PM
Uh, I'm pretty sure that's required in our terms of service. Topper made us put it there for horsey sauce, but dgies wouldn't be the first to interpret it differently.
Dgies hates Arby's & Real Chili
Quote from: duanewade on November 10, 2021, 11:57:29 AM
I like this team now and expect us to beat Illinois at home and compete and win many, many games this year!
Don't look now but duane might know what he's talking about. To think, so many "experts" on this board chose to dismiss him during the great Wojo depression. That's too bad.
Quote from: joparks on November 15, 2021, 08:45:55 PM
Don't look now but duane might know what he's talking about. To think, so many "experts" on this board chose to dismiss him during the great Wojo depression. That's too bad.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
You're looking like a prophet tonight, Duane.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on November 15, 2021, 08:57:07 PM
You're looking like a prophet tonight, Duane.
His post was not about what the team was or is going to be.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 15, 2021, 09:05:39 PM
His post was not about what the team was or is going to be.
Yep. It was a clueless rant that was concluded with a political diatribe.
The people Duane "personally" knows who avoided the game over stupid politics missed a great time!