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Title: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 08, 2021, 08:49:11 AM
Fanta is one of the smarter college bball guys out there IMHO, tend to follow his stuff more than others. He went to one of our practices two days ago and shared some thoughts on twitter, most that we will like to hear, one we probably won't:

https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1445951681867526145

QuoteHave a lot of thoughts on Marquette after seeing the Golden Eagles practice today. Will share them tomorrow. The first takeaway? The moment Shaka Smart's team stepped onto the practice floor, there was no easing into the session. It was 0 to 100, and nonstop. High tempo evident!

https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1446161969841676295

QuoteFirst takeaway from Marquette practice: Justin Lewis, in every way, looks like a lead breakout candidate in the Big East. The 6-7, 245-pound soph is built + has evolved offensively. The way he defends and rebounds fits well in what Shaka Smart wants to do. Really talented. #mubb

https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1446162812418547714

QuoteWhat really stood out to me at Marquette practice was how much Shaka Smart mobilized his bigs. MU is geared for 4-out, 1-in. Oklahoma transfer Kur Kuath had a really good session - his athleticism stood out. Oso Ighodaro also is springy and should help this team. #mubb

https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1446163682837286918

QuoteMarquette freshman Kam Jones has a well-rounded skillset and can be a first-year guy who impacts this team / puts up some numbers. In terms of Stevie Mitchell, his defense was impressive - active hands, fits Shaka's style. A freshman may very well start in the backcoourt. #mubb

https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1446164311613784070

QuoteIt's evident that Darryl Morsell is the leader for Marquette. His activity inside huddles and the amount of conversations he was having with the freshmen said a lot, and his teammates raved about what he's added. He will need to be the man for this team this year. #mubb

https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1446165379970129932

QuoteFinally, Shaka Smart gives Marquette an identity. Watching them practice, never once did I wonder what they're trying to do. Smart feels comfortable at MU, and has a chip on his shoulder. He's able to coach with the style he has succeeded with before Texas. #mubb

https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1446166117647532034

QuoteMarquette is not ready to be in the top 5 of the Big East this season. However, they could sneak up on some teams because they have a DNA and the tempo that they play with could cause some problems. In 2-3 years? Look out. I just think Shaka Smart and MU fit each other well.

Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Shooter McGavin on October 08, 2021, 08:57:34 AM
"Marquette is not ready to be in the top 5 of the Big East this season. However, they could sneak up on some teams because they have a DNA and the tempo that they play with could cause some problems. In 2-3 years? Look out. I just think Shaka Smart and MU fit each other well."

That is what many on here have been wanting (Goose for one).  An identity/system.  Hope he's right and in 3 years we are really good.  It will be worth the wait.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: tower912 on October 08, 2021, 08:58:13 AM
I read these over on Dodd's board.   A lot to unpack.   It is good that Justin, Stevie, and Kam are playing well.  4-out is the current vogue.   Shaka does pick and roll from all over, not just from the top.   I love up tempo.

Finally, I agree with his assessment of MU's chances this year and going forward.   If he can keep the young guys together, year 3 will be filthy.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Scoop Snoop on October 08, 2021, 09:03:30 AM
Plenty to be happy about but my favorite was "Finally, Shaka Smart gives Marquette an identity" and never wondering what they were trying to do. No more "whatever!" basketball.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: wadesworld on October 08, 2021, 09:23:13 AM
Athleticism can go a long way in college basketball.  If you have athleticism but not a lot of skill, you won't consistently beat the top teams, but you'll win more than you lose.  This team has athleticism.  And when you have a defense that starts with one of the best defenders in the country at the point of attack and rim protection behind him, that's a good place to start.  The combination of Morsell being an elite perimeter defender and then having the freedom to get into the perimeter players because if he does get beat he has rim protection behind him will do wonders for the team.

So it comes down to some "Ifs" that I think are fairly attainable for this team.

If Justin can hit perimeter jumpers this year
If Greg continues to shoot like he did last year
If one of Kolek, Jones, Mitchell, or even Joplin can be a consistent scorer, OR if Ellis can consistently create for others on the floor

Then this team will be a top 5 team in the Big East.  The last "If" is my biggest worry.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 08, 2021, 09:27:25 AM
I liked reading his thoughts on Morsell. While he will certainly makes the team better this season, I don't think it can be understated how much value his leadership may bring for years to come. It is important for young teams to have senior leaders to show them how it's done.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: brewcity77 on October 08, 2021, 09:32:14 AM
Fine commentary, but Fanta is about on par with Rothstein in terms of showering praise on everyone in these visits.

I think if we slow the pace outside transition and grind games out, we'll be a tough out for a lot of teams, but plenty of questions about where the scoring will come from and how we'll keep up with more seasoned teams, which is a lot of our schedule in this year of super seniors.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: bilsu on October 08, 2021, 09:32:36 AM
Quote from: BLM on October 08, 2021, 09:23:13 AM
Athleticism can go a long way in college basketball.  If you have athleticism but not a lot of skill, you won't consistently beat the top teams, but you'll win more than you lose.  This team has athleticism.  And when you have a defense that starts with one of the best defenders in the country at the point of attack and rim protection behind him, that's a good place to start.  The combination of Morsell being an elite perimeter defender and then having the freedom to get into the perimeter players because if he does get beat he has rim protection behind him will do wonders for the team.

So it comes down to some "Ifs" that I think are fairly attainable for this team.

If Justin can hit perimeter jumpers this year
If Greg continues to shoot like he did last year
If one of Kolek, Jones, Mitchell, or even Joplin can be a consistent scorer, OR if Ellis can consistently create for others on the floor

Then this team will be a top 5 team in the Big East.  The last "If" is my biggest worry.
It is more important that Justin realizes he is an inside player.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: tower912 on October 08, 2021, 09:36:49 AM
If Shaka is playing 4-out, Lewis is not going to spend a lot of time posting up.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 08, 2021, 09:42:42 AM
Quote from: tower912 on October 08, 2021, 08:58:13 AM
I read these over on Dodd's board.   A lot to unpack.   It is good that Justin, Stevie, and Kam are playing well.  4-out is the current vogue.   Shaka does pick and roll from all over, not just from the top.   I love up tempo.

Finally, I agree with his assessment of MU's chances this year and going forward.   If he can keep the young guys together, year 3 will be filthy.

Shaka's Texas teams didn't play uptempo. In fact, they were mid to slow tempo teams which is what pick and roll gets you. I think your comment is about movement with a purpose within an offense.

What will be greatly improved is defense. Opponent time of possession will be sloooow.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: MuggsyB on October 08, 2021, 09:48:15 AM
I think we will start to gel midway through the season, this is a young squad.  But I think people are selling short the versatility on this roster.  We will turn the corner in due time.  I expect us to establish a defensive and overall identity this year, surprise some people, and be ready to make some noise sooner than expected.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: mubb3434 on October 08, 2021, 09:52:05 AM
Quote from: BLM on October 08, 2021, 09:23:13 AM
Athleticism can go a long way in college basketball.  If you have athleticism but not a lot of skill, you won't consistently beat the top teams, but you'll win more than you lose.  This team has athleticism.  And when you have a defense that starts with one of the best defenders in the country at the point of attack and rim protection behind him, that's a good place to start.  The combination of Morsell being an elite perimeter defender and then having the freedom to get into the perimeter players because if he does get beat he has rim protection behind him will do wonders for the team.

So it comes down to some "Ifs" that I think are fairly attainable for this team.

If Justin can hit perimeter jumpers this year
If Greg continues to shoot like he did last year
If one of Kolek, Jones, Mitchell, or even Joplin can be a consistent scorer, OR if Ellis can consistently create for others on the floor

Then this team will be a top 5 team in the Big East.  The last "If" is my biggest worry.

I watched some tape on Kolek last night and I think he is going to have a major impact on this team. He can take it to the rack, hit the floater, and hits very difficult long-range shots. I think he's going to be an incredible player in this program for the next couple of years.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 08, 2021, 09:54:38 AM
Quote from: mubb3434 on October 08, 2021, 09:52:05 AM
I watched some tape on Kolek last night and I think he is going to have a major impact on this team. He can take it to the rack, hit the floater, and hits very difficult long-range shots. I think he's going to be an incredible player in this program for the next couple of years.

Let's see what he can do against high D1 competition before we crown him.  We get these feelings about a lot of transfers that play against inferior competition.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: tower912 on October 08, 2021, 09:56:15 AM
Quote from: mubb3434 on October 08, 2021, 09:52:05 AM
I watched some tape on Kolek last night and I think he is going to have a major impact on this team. He can take it to the rack, hit the floater, and hits very difficult long-range shots. I think he's going to be an incredible player in this program for the next couple of years.

I hope you are right.  My expectations are tempered by Chartouny.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: rocky_warrior on October 08, 2021, 10:00:29 AM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 08, 2021, 09:42:42 AM
What will be greatly improved is defense.

I hope, and believe so - but again, with everybody new to shaka's style, it may be a while before the defense even looks serviceable.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: MUfan12 on October 08, 2021, 10:03:51 AM
Quote from: mubb3434 on October 08, 2021, 09:52:05 AM
I watched some tape on Kolek last night and I think he is going to have a major impact on this team. He can take it to the rack, hit the floater, and hits very difficult long-range shots. I think he's going to be an incredible player in this program for the next couple of years.

He can play. He'll need to tighten up the handle. But the shot is pure, and release is quick.

My hope is he ends up like all the Nova guards who we think "that dude's still there?!"
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: cheebs09 on October 08, 2021, 10:19:00 AM
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on October 08, 2021, 09:03:30 AM
Plenty to be happy about but my favorite was "Finally, Shaka Smart gives Marquette an identity" and never wondering what they were trying to do. No more "whatever!" basketball.

This was the one that jumped out to me too. That was one of the biggest things missing from the Wojo era.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: JWags85 on October 08, 2021, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on October 08, 2021, 09:54:38 AM
Let's see what he can do against high D1 competition before we crown him.  We get these feelings about a lot of transfers that play against inferior competition.

He had a couple of his higher scoring games against St Bonnie and Dayton, which were among the best teams they played all year, so thats mildly encouraging.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: mileskishnish72 on October 08, 2021, 10:36:33 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 08, 2021, 09:27:25 AM
I liked reading his thoughts on Morsell. While he will certainly makes the team better this season, I don't think it can be understated how much value his leadership may bring for years to come. It is important for young teams to have senior leaders to show them how it's done.

Understated?
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Goose on October 08, 2021, 11:02:32 AM
The chip on Shaka's shoulder is why I think we exceed expectations. Everything tweeted out is exactly what I have heard from others and I believe the Shaka system is going to surprise some teams this year.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: JakeBarnes on October 08, 2021, 11:10:31 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 08, 2021, 09:32:14 AM
Fine commentary, but Fanta is about on par with Rothstein in terms of showering praise on everyone in these visits.

I think if we slow the pace outside transition and grind games out, we'll be a tough out for a lot of teams, but plenty of questions about where the scoring will come from and how we'll keep up with more seasoned teams, which is a lot of our schedule in this year of super seniors.

I think that is going to be key and is demonstrated by some of the whispers we've been hearing about Nevada/Shaka's goal on defense--success defined as a longer possession for the other team (e.g., making them work hard for every basket).

The "not just high pick and roll" defense will also eat up clock if run appropriately. A lot of success on the offensive end is going to be tied to ownership of being "a guy" at different points. We can't have timid frosh with upperclassmen that won't take a bigger role and expect success. I think Kam and Joplin are going to be surprising sources of scoring. The hope is that O-Max and Kolek can step up and take 10ppg sort of roles to complement what we expect from Morsell and Justin (and hopefully, Greg).

So many ifs. But also a lot of potential in an actual system. That's what gives me some hope here.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: The Equalizer on October 08, 2021, 11:17:12 AM
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on October 08, 2021, 08:57:34 AM
"Marquette is not ready to be in the top 5 of the Big East this season. However, they could sneak up on some teams because they have a DNA and the tempo that they play with could cause some problems. In 2-3 years? Look out. I just think Shaka Smart and MU fit each other well."

That is what many on here have been wanting (Goose for one).  An identity/system.  Hope he's right and in 3 years we are really good.  It will be worth the wait.

Given the Big East standings are usually bunched up in the middle, I'm not sure what "not ready to be in the top 5" means. Even last year's disappointing 9th place finish was only two games out of 4th place, and the bunch in the middle arguably extended to 10th place Butler.

Is "fifth place" shorthand for "teams bunched in the middle?" 










Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: panda on October 08, 2021, 11:24:41 AM
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 08, 2021, 10:03:51 AM
He can play. He'll need to tighten up the handle. But the shot is pure, and release is quick.

My hope is he ends up like all the Nova guards who we think "that dude's still there?!"

He's going to be an instant fan favorite. Great shooter but the most underrated part of his game is his floor awareness. He's an excellent passer and spaces the floor exceptionally well.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Golden Avalanche on October 08, 2021, 11:26:03 AM
Quote from: The Equalizer on October 08, 2021, 11:17:12 AM
Given the Big East standings are usually bunched up in the middle, I'm not sure what "not ready to be in the top 5" means. Even last year's disappointing 9th place finish was only two games out of 4th place, and the bunch in the middle arguably extended to 10th place Butler.

Is "fifth place" shorthand for "teams bunched in the middle?"

This is a good point.

It's Nova. Random team that finishes one or two games behind Nova. And then seven teams that are indecipherable from each other. Pretty bad team. And, DePaul. Rinse and repeat.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: brewcity77 on October 08, 2021, 11:32:05 AM
Quote from: The Equalizer on October 08, 2021, 11:17:12 AM
Given the Big East standings are usually bunched up in the middle, I'm not sure what "not ready to be in the top 5" means. Even last year's disappointing 9th place finish was only two games out of 4th place, and the bunch in the middle arguably extended to 10th place Butler.

Is "fifth place" shorthand for "teams bunched in the middle?"

It's worth noting this is Seton Hall alum Fanta. He's going to shill for the East Coast teams above the rest in general. I think you can paint in 'Nova, UConn, SHU, and the Johnnies to his top-5. Basically, he's saying we aren't the best out of us and all of Xavier, Providence, Butler, and Creighton.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 08, 2021, 11:52:51 AM
Orange or Grape?
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 08, 2021, 12:10:56 PM
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on October 08, 2021, 10:36:33 AM
Understated?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/understate
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 08, 2021, 12:13:41 PM
Quote from: The Equalizer on October 08, 2021, 11:17:12 AM
Given the Big East standings are usually bunched up in the middle, I'm not sure what "not ready to be in the top 5" means. Even last year's disappointing 9th place finish was only two games out of 4th place, and the bunch in the middle arguably extended to 10th place Butler.

Is "fifth place" shorthand for "teams bunched in the middle?"

He could literally mean what place they finish in the Big East. He could also mean one of the 5 best teams in the Big East.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 08, 2021, 12:28:57 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 08, 2021, 12:13:41 PM
He could literally mean what place they finish in the Big East. He could also mean one of the 5 best teams in the Big East.

He could also mean the university as a whole is not ready for the emotional rollercoaster ride of being a top 5 team.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Herman Cain on October 08, 2021, 01:53:13 PM
John Fanta does a solid job as always. I like that he covers our league so well.

However, I believe we are ready to compete for the #3 spot in the league. I like our 3 Super Seniors , I like our two Sophs with experience, I think the other two sophs will add a lot athletically, and I think one out of the 5 freshman will emerge as a rotation guy.

I also agree our coach has a chip on his shoulder.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: willie warrior on October 08, 2021, 05:14:44 PM
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on October 08, 2021, 09:03:30 AM
Plenty to be happy about but my favorite was "Finally, Shaka Smart gives Marquette an identity" and never wondering what they were trying to do. No more "whatever!" basketball.
I am thankful that Shaka gives MU an identity. But then Wojo-Dukiet gave Mu an identity, cant make the dance,
Thoings are on the upswing.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 08, 2021, 05:21:05 PM
Quote from: willie warrior on October 08, 2021, 05:14:44 PM
Thoings are on the upswing.

Things or thongs?  ;D
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: We R Final Four on October 08, 2021, 07:54:16 PM
Quote from: willie warrior on October 08, 2021, 05:14:44 PM
I am thankful that Shaka gives MU an identity. But then Wojo-Dukiet gave Mu an identity, cant make the dance,
Thoings are on the upswing.
Indeed...thongs are on the upswing!
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 08, 2021, 08:03:47 PM
Quote from: We R Final Four on October 08, 2021, 07:54:16 PM
Indeed...thongs are on the upswing!
Now here, I thought they were on the downswing. Kids nowadays.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Newsdreams on October 08, 2021, 08:04:24 PM
Quote from: We R Final Four on October 08, 2021, 07:54:16 PM
Indeed...thongs are on the upswing!
Tight
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Newsdreams on October 08, 2021, 08:06:36 PM
Like I said for this year my expectations for this year, bubble team, if we don't make NIT would be disappointed. I think some people here are going to be disappointed.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: tower912 on October 09, 2021, 07:10:29 AM
https://twitter.com/goldeneagles_mu/status/1446563329892356098?s=21


A morsell of good news.   
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: MU82 on October 09, 2021, 08:42:35 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 08, 2021, 11:32:05 AM
It's worth noting this is Seton Hall alum Fanta. He's going to shill for the East Coast teams above the rest in general. I think you can paint in 'Nova, UConn, SHU, and the Johnnies to his top-5. Basically, he's saying we aren't the best out of us and all of Xavier, Providence, Butler, and Creighton.

So brew, you read that from Fanta on Marquette and said, "This guy obviously has East Coast bias and doesn't like Marquette"?

I read that stuff, which sounded decidedly pro-Marquette (and downright worshipful of Shaka), and it pumped me up for the season.

We Are Marquette!
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Viper on October 09, 2021, 09:20:54 AM
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 08, 2021, 10:03:51 AM
He can play. He'll need to tighten up the handle. But the shot is pure, and release is quick.

My hope is he ends up like all the Nova guards who we think "that dude's still there?!"
in terms of shooting, how would he (Kolek) compare to, say, Rowsey? Similar? Not quite?
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Herman Cain on October 09, 2021, 09:32:05 AM
Quote from: tower912 on October 09, 2021, 07:10:29 AM
https://twitter.com/goldeneagles_mu/status/1446563329892356098?s=21


A morsell of good news.
Looks very smooth
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 09, 2021, 09:46:19 AM
Quote from: MU82 on October 09, 2021, 08:42:35 AM
So brew, you read that from Fanta on Marquette and said, "This guy obviously has East Coast bias and doesn't like Marquette"?

I read that stuff, which sounded decidedly pro-Marquette (and downright worshipful of Shaka), and it pumped me up for the season.

We Are Marquette!

John Fanta's primary job is to pump and dump Big East teams on social media, who employs him in that role.  He has the three DePaul fans worked up into a lather thinking they are going to the Big Dance this year with his Chicago post on DePaul yesterday. He is awesome in that role.

I think we all remember him (and may confuse his roles) for his play by play gig with Fox Sports. But that is just his freelance job, but will be his future. He looks 50, but he is just 26, four years out of Seton Hall Scoop.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 09, 2021, 09:48:29 AM
Quote from: Viper on October 09, 2021, 09:20:54 AM
in terms of shooting, how would he (Kolek) compare to, say, Rowsey? Similar? Not quite?

Not close. Rowsey made twice as many threes with significantly better accuracy as a freshman. Kolek will be a better defender and distributor. Rowdy is a better pure scorer
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: brewcity77 on October 09, 2021, 09:52:26 AM
Quote from: MU82 on October 09, 2021, 08:42:35 AM
So brew, you read that from Fanta on Marquette and said, "This guy obviously has East Coast bias and doesn't like Marquette"?

I read that stuff, which sounded decidedly pro-Marquette (and downright worshipful of Shaka), and it pumped me up for the season.

We Are Marquette!

I was answering the quoted question. Fanta is Big East Rothstein. He'll always give positivity (even his DePaul commentary was all designed to pump up) but he also tends to more heavily emphasize the "traditional" EC schools, which is likely why he made the not-top-5 comment.

It's even more evident on the podcast with Dauster, where his co-hosts have frequently given the "respond to X without talking about the Big East" because his biases are always pretty clearly on display. It's not surprising, his job is basically Big East PR & he's located on the East Coast, but it's also not very covert.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: MU82 on October 09, 2021, 09:55:59 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 09, 2021, 09:52:26 AM
I was answering the quoted question. Fanta is Big East Rothstein. He'll always give positivity (even his DePaul commentary was all designed to pump up) but he also tends to more heavily emphasize the "traditional" EC schools, which is likely why he made the not-top-5 comment.

It's even more evident on the podcast with Dauster, where his co-hosts have frequently given the "respond to X without talking about the Big East" because his biases are always pretty clearly on display. It's not surprising, his job is basically Big East PR & he's located on the East Coast, but it's also not very covert.

Thanks for the info on Fanta. As I said, I'm not overly familiar with his work or his style.

It didn't seem outrageous to predict a non-top-5 finish for Marquette this season. I'll hope he's wrong!

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 09, 2021, 09:46:19 AM
John Fanta's primary job is to pump and dump Big East teams on social media, who employs him in that role.  He has the three DePaul fans worked up into a lather thinking they are going to the Big Dance this year with his Chicago post on DePaul yesterday. He is awesome in that role.

I think we all remember him (and may confuse his roles) for his play by play gig with Fox Sports. But that is just his freelance job, but will be his future. He looks 50, but he is just 26, four years out of Seton Hall Scoop.

Thanks to you too, Dr. B.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Scoop Snoop on October 09, 2021, 10:05:47 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 09, 2021, 09:48:29 AM
Not close. Rowsey made twice as many threes with significantly better accuracy as a freshman. Kolek will be a better defender and distributor. Rowdy is a better pure scorer

Absolutely loved watching Rowsey but this is a perfect example of how easy it is to focus only on a player's scoring and ignoring how many blow by points he cost us on the other end of the court. The points given up by poor defense do not show up in the stats. Kolek may develop into a better overall player without the excitement that Rowsey generated, especially with his ability to draw fouls on 3 pointers. 
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: MU82 on October 09, 2021, 10:45:06 AM
Like many here, I've been closely following MU hoops for 45+ years. I have never seen a worse perimeter defender than Rowsey. I hope Kolek can be a better all-around player, even though I enjoyed watching Rowsey on O.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 09, 2021, 11:19:30 AM
Quote from: MU82 on October 09, 2021, 10:45:06 AM
Like many here, I've been closely following MU hoops for 45+ years. I have never seen a worse perimeter defender than Rowsey. I hope Kolek can be a better all-around player, even though I enjoyed watching Rowsey on O.

While I am not advocating for Rowsey's defense, and I know and appreciate that you are an eye test guy with your vast years of experience. I like to also consider objective stats to ward off biases of my opinions which I know you are not a fan of.

But, using defensive ValueAdd, there are plenty worse defensively than Rowsey including senior year Jake and Katin especially on the perimeter), and junior year Derrick and Diener, among others including Chapman early years (which may be why Crean recruited over him). I also see JJJ up there.

These stats confirm some of my eye test observations, mainly Katin and JJJ had no interest in playing perimeter defense either. In fact, even Wojo sat them at times as a result.

We can discuss perimeter vs. overall, coach scheme vs. roster composition, but in 45+ years than have been plenty as bad or worse defensively by the numbers at least. (Type in MARQ under team)

http://valueaddbasketball.com/ballall.html
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: MU82 on October 09, 2021, 03:38:23 PM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 09, 2021, 11:19:30 AM
While I am not advocating for Rowsey's defense, and I know and appreciate that you are an eye test guy with your vast years of experience. I like to also consider objective stats to ward off biases of my opinions which I know you are not a fan of.

But, using defensive ValueAdd, there are plenty worse defensively than Rowsey including senior year Jake and Katin especially on the perimeter), and junior year Derrick and Diener, among others including Chapman early years (which may be why Crean recruited over him). I also see JJJ up there.

These stats confirm some of my eye test observations, mainly Katin and JJJ had no interest in playing perimeter defense either. In fact, even Wojo sat them at times as a result.

We can discuss perimeter vs. overall, coach scheme vs. roster composition, but in 45+ years than have been plenty as bad or worse defensively by the numbers at least. (Type in MARQ under team)

http://valueaddbasketball.com/ballall.html

Thanks.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 10, 2021, 05:01:57 PM
Quote from: tower912 on October 09, 2021, 07:10:29 AM
https://twitter.com/goldeneagles_mu/status/1446563329892356098?s=21


A morsell of good news.

He looks like he is Wes Matthews' younger brother.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on October 10, 2021, 09:11:49 PM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on October 10, 2021, 05:01:57 PM
He looks like he is Wes Matthews' younger brother.

Blended with ???
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Mu8891 on October 10, 2021, 10:37:38 PM
Please don't use the word
" blender " ...
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Warrior of Law on October 11, 2021, 11:08:09 AM
Without having any data, it seems like Wojo's teams were just terrible defensively.  Even when they were successful, it was simply a matter of outscoring teams.  Even Theo John would often take himself out of position to go for a blocked shot, resulting in an offensive rebound or foul call.  If you play solid team defense, and you have the athletes to do so, then MU should be able to keep games close and maybe get a few breaks. I'm really looking forward to seeing a team with a different approach to the game, even if it takes a while to get there.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Scoop Snoop on October 11, 2021, 11:59:42 AM
Quote from: Warrior of Law on October 11, 2021, 11:08:09 AM
Without having any data, it seems like Wojo's teams were just terrible defensively.  Even when they were successful, it was simply a matter of outscoring teams.  Even Theo John would often take himself out of position to go for a blocked shot, resulting in an offensive rebound or foul call.  If you play solid team defense, and you have the athletes to do so, then MU should be able to keep games close and maybe get a few breaks. I'm really looking forward to seeing a team with a different approach to the game, even if it takes a while to get there.

Loved Theo's enthusiasm but I would have preferred his staying in position more often and being in semi control (somewhat- it's a block after all) so that he could maybe direct the blocked shot towards a team member rather than sending it into a third row seat and setting up the opponents for an in bounds close to their basket. In fairness to Theo, a lot of shot blockers send the ball wildly out of bounds. The crowds love it but a more disciplined approach to defense will often reward you with more than cheers from the crowd. Not as exciting but better bball.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Warrior of Law on October 11, 2021, 12:15:20 PM
Absolutely loved Theo's energy and toughness.  Unlike McIlvaine, Theo would have to leave his feet (jump) to block shots which put him out of position defensively.  Even if you don't block the shot, obstructing ball's path alters the shot and improves defensive efficiency.  Some of the length on this team (Kuath, O-Max) will help a lot in this regard.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on October 11, 2021, 11:59:42 AM
Loved Theo's enthusiasm but I would have preferred his staying in position more often and being in semi control (somewhat- it's a block after all) so that he could maybe direct the blocked shot towards a team member rather than sending it into a third row seat and setting up the opponents for an in bounds close to their basket. In fairness to Theo, a lot of shot blockers send the ball wildly out of bounds. The crowds love it but a more disciplined approach to defense will often reward you with more than cheers from the crowd. Not as exciting but better bball.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Scoop Snoop on October 11, 2021, 01:06:38 PM
Quote from: Warrior of Law on October 11, 2021, 12:15:20 PM
Absolutely loved Theo's energy and toughness.  Unlike McIlvaine, Theo would have to leave his feet (jump) to block shots which put him out of position defensively.  Even if you don't block the shot, obstructing ball's path alters the shot and improves defensive efficiency.  Some of the length on this team (Kuath, O-Max) will help a lot in this regard.

Good observations. It will be interesting to see Theo at UNC. I doubt that he will be given the British "carry on!" message. More likely he will receive different instructions and coaching and develop into a better, more productive player than he was under the Wojo Whatever "System". 
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: bilsu on October 11, 2021, 01:34:41 PM
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on October 11, 2021, 01:06:38 PM
Good observations. It will be interesting to see Theo at UNC. I doubt that he will be given the British "carry on!" message. More likely he will receive different instructions and coaching and develop into a better, more productive player than he was under the Wojo Whatever "System".
I think he will only play in one game at UNC.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Nukem2 on October 11, 2021, 02:01:54 PM
Quote from: bilsu on October 11, 2021, 01:34:41 PM
I think he will only play in one game at UNC.
Yup
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 11, 2021, 02:02:56 PM
Hoo kares, hey?
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Viper on October 11, 2021, 02:11:22 PM
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on October 11, 2021, 01:06:38 PM
Good observations. It will be interesting to see Theo at UNC. I doubt that he will be given the British "carry on!" message. More likely he will receive different instructions and coaching and develop into a better, more productive player than he was under the Wojo Whatever "System".
no mistakes allowed on Scoop, Scoop. Scoop shows no mercy.
Title: Re: John Fanta Thoughts on MU Practice
Post by: Scoop Snoop on October 11, 2021, 04:02:02 PM
Quote from: bilsu on October 11, 2021, 01:34:41 PM
I think he will only play in one game at UNC.

Good one! OK, I knew just a few minutes after posting that I listed UNC rather than Duke but I was already in the car and headed on a long drive. Hopefully Rocky does not send me on a vacation.
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