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Title: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 13, 2021, 02:54:39 PM
Congrats Mr. Jones on being Shaka's first 2022 commit!

https://www.270hoops.com/news_article/show/1178476
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: We R Final Four on August 13, 2021, 03:00:39 PM
Yes!
The shiftiest player in HS!
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Billy Hoyle on August 13, 2021, 03:03:31 PM
I don't see any vitals. Is he a thin man?
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Tha Hound on August 13, 2021, 03:04:16 PM
His highlight tape looks very legit. Happy to have him on board.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Newsdreams on August 13, 2021, 03:06:21 PM
Welcome to the MU family MR Jones
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: wadesworld on August 13, 2021, 03:08:19 PM
Excellent.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 13, 2021, 03:08:35 PM
Blue and Gold weenie, aina?
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: MuggsyB on August 13, 2021, 03:09:56 PM
Bam.  Let's go now!
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: jesmu84 on August 13, 2021, 03:10:38 PM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 13, 2021, 03:08:35 PM
Blue and Gold weenie, aina?

You should get that looked at, doc
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 13, 2021, 03:12:36 PM
weeeeeeee and mr
Mr Jones
We got a thing
Going on
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: rocky_warrior on August 13, 2021, 03:13:42 PM
Scholarship table updated:

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=page4655

Note, I left 1 scholarship in 2021-2022, even though unless something radical happens there's really 3 left for 2022 and 0 this year.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: The Equalizer on August 13, 2021, 03:14:18 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 13, 2021, 02:54:39 PM
Congrats Mr. Jones on being Shaka's first 2022 commit!

https://www.270hoops.com/news_article/show/1178476

And the 2nd Mr. Jones overall.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Clueless Boomer on August 13, 2021, 03:14:57 PM
This is fake news. Not possible that Shaka will ever get a recruit.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Pakuni on August 13, 2021, 03:15:15 PM
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Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Its DJOver on August 13, 2021, 03:19:07 PM
Welcome.  Hope he's still got some growing left, I've seen the 5-10 PG story before.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: DienerTime34 on August 13, 2021, 03:19:14 PM
Adding Mr. Jones is a great way to start August (and everything after)
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: CountryRoads on August 13, 2021, 03:20:03 PM
Fantastic news. Expecting him to make a big impact here. The fact that's he under 6ft and still in the top 100 leads me to believe he is very talented.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: tower912 on August 13, 2021, 03:21:32 PM
Great
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Lennys Tap on August 13, 2021, 03:21:43 PM
Quote from: DienerTime34 on August 13, 2021, 03:19:14 PM
Adding Mr. Jones is a great way to start August (and everything after)

Mr Jones and me
We're gonna be big stars
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Boone on August 13, 2021, 03:24:42 PM
Pass first and defensive-oriented PG. Game looks similar to Posh Alexander's. I'll take it
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 13, 2021, 03:26:14 PM



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x_dtKRzbCTU&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 13, 2021, 03:34:40 PM
Quote from: Its DJOver on August 13, 2021, 03:19:07 PM
Welcome.  Hope he's still got some growing left, I've seen the 5-10 PG story before.

I think the difference between Mr. Jones and the previous 5'10 PG stories at MU is that he is known as a defensive plus whereas the the ones under Wojo were known for their offensive prowess. That doesn't make him better or worse (though I seriously doubt he'll be as good as Howard or Rowdy), just different.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 13, 2021, 03:40:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex3VE5YZEwI

Peach Jam highlights from a few weeks ago. He's very quick and good handles. As an added bonus, he destroys a guy in a man bun at the 10 second mark of this video.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Billy Hoyle on August 13, 2021, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: Its DJOver on August 13, 2021, 03:19:07 PM
Welcome.  Hope he's still got some growing left, I've seen the 5-10 PG story before.

yeah, we wouldn't want him to be like this dude:  https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/aaron_hutchins
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Skatastrophy on August 13, 2021, 03:46:28 PM
The young man certainly doesn't skip leg day.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: MuggsyB on August 13, 2021, 03:58:21 PM
I like kids with prime-time quicks, handles, and what I would call overall bounce.  What's with the pessimism??  The young man appears to check these boxes and will only add to his current arsenal.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on August 13, 2021, 04:10:05 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 13, 2021, 03:34:40 PM
I think the difference between Mr. Jones and the previous 5'10 PG stories at MU is that he is known as a defensive plus whereas the the ones under Wojo were known for their offensive prowess. That doesn't make him better or worse (though I seriously doubt he'll be as good as Howard or Rowdy), just different.

I think the era of recruiting just combo guards is over as well (excluding The Engine). Now, let's get a shooting guard and a big.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: MU82 on August 13, 2021, 04:17:57 PM
Looks like a talented, exciting PG. Thrilled to have him at our alma mater.

Congrats, Shaka ... and welcome, Sean!
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: muwarrior97 on August 13, 2021, 04:19:20 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on August 13, 2021, 03:06:21 PM
Welcome to the MU family MR Jones

Time to get some user rights to the "Counting Crows" for the inevitable "Mr. Jones & me" montage on the Fiserv BIG Screen :)
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 13, 2021, 04:30:45 PM
Quote from: Boone on August 13, 2021, 03:24:42 PM
Pass first and defensive-oriented PG. Game looks similar to Posh Alexander's. I'll take it
Or Derrick Wilson's.

/hides
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Viper on August 13, 2021, 04:59:32 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 13, 2021, 03:40:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex3VE5YZEwI

Peach Jam highlights from a few weeks ago. He's very quick and good handles. As an added bonus, he destroys a guy in a man bun at the 10 second mark of this video.
definitely looks good. Bonus points for destroying man-bun-boy twice.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on August 13, 2021, 05:10:10 PM
Basketball Jones
I got a basketball Jones
I got a basketball Jones (oh baby oh)
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Its DJOver on August 13, 2021, 05:26:03 PM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 13, 2021, 03:46:18 PM
yeah, we wouldn't want him to be like this dude:  https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/aaron_hutchins

Do you not think he would have been better had he been taller?

Do you not think the game has changed in the past 25 years, where size is even more important?
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: marquette20 on August 13, 2021, 05:35:56 PM
Quote from: TSmith34 on August 13, 2021, 04:30:45 PM
Or Derrick Wilson's.

/hides

I immediately thought Derrick Wilson watching his game. Thought the shot looked good so hopefully it's TBT Derrick.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: rocky_warrior on August 13, 2021, 05:42:34 PM
I assume we only recruited him because his initials were SJ and somebody got confused.

(Yes, teal)

Welcome Sean.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on August 13, 2021, 05:52:58 PM
Quote from: TSmith34 on August 13, 2021, 04:30:45 PM
Or Derrick Wilson's.

/hides

Let's hope Sean never reads Scoop.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTH3s8L_ab6gtkgBb-3Yfbkitriw-dzR-ELog&usqp=CAU)
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: tower912 on August 13, 2021, 05:57:05 PM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on August 13, 2021, 05:42:34 PM
I assume we only recruited him because his initials were SJ and somebody got confused.

(Yes, teal)

Welcome Sean.

SJ.    Warrior
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: MUfan12 on August 13, 2021, 06:06:20 PM
The way Shaka is building the roster, defensively I think you can get away with a guy like Jones. Strong enough to hold his own through screens, and with the rest of roster skewing switchable there should be enough help if needed.

If he can get that outside shot cooking it could be a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Herman Cain on August 13, 2021, 06:22:59 PM
Welcome aboard Mr. Jones. We have been looking for a PG Prospect like you for a long time. Also you have your own official theme song to be played during pregame warm ups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oqAU5VxFWs
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: JustinLewisFanClubPres on August 13, 2021, 06:25:15 PM
Quote from: Skatastrophy on August 13, 2021, 03:46:28 PM
The young man certainly doesn't skip leg day.

Haha. I thought the same thing watching the highlight reel. Also looks like he has a high motor and great quickness. Hopefully, that translates to some fast break buckets when he gets here.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: MUWarrior4Life on August 13, 2021, 06:29:05 PM
Welcome 2 Warrior Nation Mr Jones!
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: HutchwasClutch on August 13, 2021, 06:38:57 PM
Great news!  Also glad we got him over conference rival with a local recruiting advantage.  👏
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Johnny B on August 13, 2021, 07:08:37 PM
5 10 3 star eh
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: DarkWarrior on August 13, 2021, 07:56:30 PM
So glad to land such a quality PG! Congrats to Shaka!
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: pbiflyer on August 13, 2021, 08:40:31 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 13, 2021, 03:34:40 PM
I think the difference between Mr. Jones and the previous 5'10 PG stories at MU is that he is known as a defensive plus whereas the the ones under Wojo were known for their offensive prowess. That doesn't make him better or worse (though I seriously doubt he'll be as good as Howard or Rowdy), just different.

Wait, he isn't going to be as good as Howard???? Why'd we even bother?  ;D
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: mileskishnish72 on August 13, 2021, 09:08:22 PM
After watching the highlight films, it looks like he'd be a hard guy to stay in front of defensively.
Here's to a great MU career, Sean!
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: MU82 on August 13, 2021, 10:26:43 PM
Quote from: marquette20 on August 13, 2021, 05:35:56 PM
I immediately thought Derrick Wilson watching his game. Thought the shot looked good so hopefully it's TBT Derrick.

During 4 years at Marquette, how many times did Derrick Wilson break down an opponent off the dribble?

Zero times that I remember, but maybe I forgot one or two.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 13, 2021, 11:27:46 PM
Quote from: MU82 on August 13, 2021, 10:26:43 PM
During 4 years at Marquette, how many times did Derrick Wilson break down an opponent off the dribble?

Zero times that I remember, but maybe I forgot one or two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8P6GoTO4WE
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on August 14, 2021, 02:36:57 AM
Welcome Sean Jones!!
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Scoop Snoop on August 14, 2021, 07:47:43 AM
I am really looking forward to seeing an in-your-face point guard next season. My guess is that Muggsy is especially happy that Sean is 5'10" . Hopefully the "what the Hell! - Shaka can't get any '22 recruits" buzz will stop.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Shooter McGavin on August 14, 2021, 08:03:59 AM
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on August 14, 2021, 07:47:43 AM
I am really looking forward to seeing an in-your-face point guard next season. My guess is that Muggsy is especially happy that Sean is 5'10" . Hopefully the "what the Hell! - Shaka can't get any '22 recruits" buzz will stop.

Welcome to the family Mr. Jones!  Go MU!
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: MuggsyB on August 14, 2021, 10:07:07 AM
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on August 14, 2021, 07:47:43 AM
I am really looking forward to seeing an in-your-face point guard next season. My guess is that Muggsy is especially happy that Sean is 5'10" . Hopefully the "what the Hell! - Shaka can't get any '22 recruits" buzz will stop.

All I care about is if the guy can ball Scoop Snoop.  I am not really biased towards shorter players.  Believe me I would like 12 Dwyane Wade's every year.  What bothers me are those that besmirch diminutive people for no reason whatsoever or automatically assume they can't play. 
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Scoop Snoop on August 14, 2021, 10:32:16 AM
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 14, 2021, 10:07:07 AM
All I care about is if the guy can ball Scoop Snoop.  I am not really biased towards shorter players.  Believe me I would like 12 Dwyane Wade's every year.  What bothers me are those that besmirch diminutive people for no reason whatsoever or automatically assume they can't play.

Agree. No offense intended Muggs.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: MuggsyB on August 14, 2021, 10:47:25 AM
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on August 14, 2021, 10:32:16 AM
Agree. No offense intended Muggs.

No offense taken at all!  We also shouldn't pigeon hole players based on size.  Mr.  Jones plays a much different game than say Rowsey, Howard, Acker, or Hutch.  I like quickness and blow by speed.  The ability to create, and at the same time disrupt defensively, can lead to tremendous success .  I see a young man with excellent handles and comfortable attacking downhill.  We haven't had this in awhile scoop snoop.  :)
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Scoop Snoop on August 14, 2021, 11:17:09 AM
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 14, 2021, 10:47:25 AM
No offense taken at all!  We also shouldn't pigeon hole players based on size.  Mr.  Jones plays a much different game than say Rowsey, Howard, Acker, or Hutch.  I like quickness and blow by speed.  The ability to create, and at the same time disrupt defensively, can lead to tremendous success .  I see a young man with excellent handles and comfortable attacking downhill.  We haven't had this in awhile scoop snoop.  :)

You hit on quite a number of often missing things that drove me up the wall during Wojo's reign. If, despite a solid defensive effort, an opponent scores on Marquette, at least make him earn it! Although I remain very cautious in my expectations this coming season, it is going to be fun to watch the team gel, especially the defense. I think some fans view defense as boring, especially if the final score is low. I love great defensive teams. Remember Chris Beard's TT in the NC vs. UVA? They were ferocious!

Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: MuggsyB on August 14, 2021, 11:36:10 AM
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on August 14, 2021, 11:17:09 AM
You hit on quite a number of often missing things that drove me up the wall during Wojo's reign. If, despite a solid defensive effort, an opponent scores on Marquette, at least make him earn it! Although I remain very cautious in my expectations this coming season, it is going to be fun to watch the team gel, especially the defense. I think some fans view defense as boring, especially if the final score is low. I love great defensive teams. Remember Chris Beard's TT in the NC vs. UVA? They were ferocious!

Ferocity a.k.a. tenacity pumps me up on the defensive end.   I wish there were more videos of the real Muggsy driving guys nuts when they brought the ball up the court.  Rex Chapman said the only guys he couldn't guard were Magic and Gary Payton.  :)
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: MU82 on August 14, 2021, 01:49:08 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 13, 2021, 11:27:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8P6GoTO4WE

He didn't exactly break down an opponent on the dribble there, but if we count it ... that's one!

I admired Derrick for his attitude and hard work during his time at Marquette.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: tower912 on August 14, 2021, 01:57:09 PM
I look forward to seeing him play at MU.   He seems like the kind of dynamic 2 way PG that has been absent for some time.

His size makes me wonder about big picture things like how Coach Smart is going to defend the high pick and roll.   And whether young Mr. Jones is going to be able to fight through a Villanova pick to stay on their next Brunson and not switched on to their next Robinson-Earl.

I am looking forward to it.   He looks like a Warrior.

Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Dawson Rental on August 16, 2021, 08:17:13 AM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on August 13, 2021, 03:13:42 PM
Scholarship table updated:

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=page4655

Note, I left 1 scholarship in 2021-2022, even though unless something radical happens there's really 3 left for 2022 and 0 this year.

That seems like unnecessary caution, but you're the boss.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: f/k/a humanlung on August 16, 2021, 03:47:24 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 13, 2021, 03:34:40 PM
I think the difference between Mr. Jones and the previous 5'10 PG stories at MU is that he is known as a defensive plus whereas the the ones under Wojo were known for their offensive prowess. That doesn't make him better or worse (though I seriously doubt he'll be as good as Howard or Rowdy), just different.

Rowdy couldn't guard my grandmother.  What he gave us on offense he more than gave back on defense.

Howard a greater scorer, wasn't much better on "D".  Exciting but not what you can build a winner on, sad to say.

Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: f/k/a humanlung on August 16, 2021, 03:52:02 PM
Quote from: Johnny B on August 13, 2021, 07:08:37 PM
5 10 3 star eh

Interesting post for someone who has a 3/4 star, 6' 6" power forward as his profile pic...
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on August 16, 2021, 04:35:07 PM
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on August 16, 2021, 03:47:24 PM

Howard a greater scorer, wasn't much better on "D".  Exciting but not what you can build a winner on, sad to say.

Absurd.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Newsdreams on August 16, 2021, 08:01:18 PM
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on August 16, 2021, 03:52:02 PM
Interesting post for someone who has a 3/4 star, 6' 6" power forward as his profile pic...
I think you're missing the sarcasm
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: f/k/a humanlung on August 17, 2021, 10:33:10 AM
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on August 16, 2021, 04:35:07 PM
Absurd.

We won how many postseason games with Markus here?

Refresh my memory, please.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: f/k/a humanlung on August 17, 2021, 10:34:22 AM
Quote from: Newsdreams on August 16, 2021, 08:01:18 PM
I think you're missing the sarcasm

My apologies.  It wasn't in teal and I missed it.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 17, 2021, 10:37:31 AM
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on August 17, 2021, 10:33:10 AM
We won how many postseason games with Markus here?

Refresh my memory, please.


Two.  And one postseason was cancelled.

But you are making a poor argument that postseason success is determined by one player.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: f/k/a humanlung on August 17, 2021, 10:50:47 AM
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 17, 2021, 10:37:31 AM

Two.  And one postseason was cancelled.

But you are making a poor argument that postseason success is determined by one player.

Two in the NIT.  That's fair.  But a doughnut in the NCAAs.  I should have asked the question more specifically.

You are correct on Markus being only one player in a team sport.  No doubt.  But a lot of that goes to coaching, as Markus was made THE one player on the team by Wojo.  That said, be it one player or a floor full of them, being able to shoot the lights out but not stop anyone, has not usually been a successful strategy.  Again, very fun to watch but not a strategy that is the foundation for winning.  My opinion.

Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Its DJOver on August 17, 2021, 10:54:34 AM
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/markus-howard-1.html

Markus Howard DRtg improved 14 pp100 once Rowsey left.  Rowsey was a bad defender, Markus got a rep as a bad defender because he was of similar stature and played with Rowsey for two years.  Once Rowsey was gone, Markus was more than serviceable on that end.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: MU82 on August 17, 2021, 10:58:21 AM
IMHO, major difference between Markus and Rowsey on D.

Markus became a decent defensive player. He usually stayed in front of his man, he became quite good at drawing charges, he had deflections, he closed out on shooters, etc. He was limited by his size; when he closed out, it wasn't the same as a 6-7 guy closing out. But he was a willing defender who didn't embarrass himself on D, especially as a senior.

Rowsey? Loved watching him become a dangerous offensive player, but he barely even bothered trying to play defense. 
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 17, 2021, 11:12:41 AM
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on August 17, 2021, 10:50:47 AM
Two in the NIT.  That's fair.  But a doughnut in the NCAAs.  I should have asked the question more specifically.

You are correct on Markus being only one player in a team sport.  No doubt.  But a lot of that goes to coaching, as Markus was made THE one player on the team by Wojo.  That said, be it one player or a floor full of them, being able to shoot the lights out but not stop anyone, has not usually been a successful strategy.  Again, very fun to watch but not a strategy that is the foundation for winning.  My opinion.


That's not a Markus Howard problem.  That's a Wojo problem.  You can definitely "build a winner" on Howard with the right coaching.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: f/k/a humanlung on August 17, 2021, 11:25:01 AM
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 17, 2021, 11:12:41 AM

That's not a Markus Howard problem.  That's a Wojo problem.  You can definitely "build a winner" on Howard with the right coaching.

I really wish we could have seen that...  He was such a talent and great representative of MU.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 17, 2021, 11:37:42 AM
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on August 17, 2021, 10:50:47 AM
Two in the NIT.  That's fair.  But a doughnut in the NCAAs.  I should have asked the question more specifically.

You are correct on Markus being only one player in a team sport.  No doubt.  But a lot of that goes to coaching, as Markus was made THE one player on the team by Wojo.  That said, be it one player or a floor full of them, being able to shoot the lights out but not stop anyone, has not usually been a successful strategy.  Again, very fun to watch but not a strategy that is the foundation for winning.  My opinion.

To be fair he had one opportunity as "the player". It's disengenuous to say he was the go to guy on the 2017 year. That team collectively got there and collectively crapped the bed.

So as "the guy" he went 0-1 in ncaa tournament appearances
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: lawdog77 on August 17, 2021, 12:07:02 PM
Welcome Mr. Jones. Let's get you some NIL $$
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on August 17, 2021, 06:36:30 PM
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on August 17, 2021, 10:33:10 AM
We won how many postseason games with Markus here?

Refresh my memory, please.

It wasn't a Howard problem. It was a team construction and coaching problem.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: brewcity77 on August 17, 2021, 08:42:10 PM
Quote from: Its DJOver on August 17, 2021, 10:54:34 AM
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/markus-howard-1.html

Markus Howard DRtg improved 14 pp100 once Rowsey left.  Rowsey was a bad defender, Markus got a rep as a bad defender because he was of similar stature and played with Rowsey for two years.  Once Rowsey was gone, Markus was more than serviceable on that end.

The biggest problem with Rowsey and Howard was Markus ended up defending the opponent's best guard every night. That's not a recipe for success.

Though "not a recipe for success" describes Wojo's tenure on the whole.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Its DJOver on August 17, 2021, 08:52:56 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 17, 2021, 08:42:10 PM
The biggest problem with Rowsey and Howard was Markus ended up defending the opponent's best guard every night. That's not a recipe for success.

Though "not a recipe for success" describes Wojo's tenure on the whole.

Kind of in line with your thinking, but I think that a huge problem was that Wojo never really figured out that your couldn't play both of them together for an extended period.  To some extent you can hide one sub 6' player on defense, but if you roll with two of them together for 25+ish mpg, you're going to get burned. 

Would have been somewhat difficult to justify at the time, but I really wonder how that 17-18 season would have gone if instead of them both playing 30+ mpg, they each would have only played 25 mpg with 5 together.  I also think that if Haani doesn't transfer midseason, we're a tourney team that year, but Wojo had more than enough time after that transfer to figure it out, and he never did.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 17, 2021, 09:39:31 PM
Quote from: Its DJOver on August 17, 2021, 08:52:56 PM
Would have been somewhat difficult to justify at the time, but I really wonder how that 17-18 season would have gone if instead of them both playing 30+ mpg, they each would have only played 25 mpg with 5 together.  I also think that if Haani doesn't transfer midseason, we're a tourney team that year, but Wojo had more than enough time after that transfer to figure it out, and he never did.
The sum total of his strategy was to get highly ranked recruits and extort them to play hard. That was it. He didn't figure out because that was the beginning and end of his strategy.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: MU82 on August 17, 2021, 11:25:36 PM
Quote from: TSmith34 on August 17, 2021, 09:39:31 PM
The sum total of his strategy was to get highly ranked recruits and extort them to play hard. That was it. He didn't figure out because that was the beginning and end of his strategy.

Extort them?
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 18, 2021, 07:15:19 AM
Quote from: MU82 on August 17, 2021, 11:25:36 PM
Extort them?
LOL. Exhort.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: f/k/a humanlung on August 18, 2021, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on August 17, 2021, 06:36:30 PM
It wasn't a Howard problem. It was a team construction and coaching problem.

I agree with this 1000%.  Wish Howard had better...something/everything...from the HC.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: f/k/a humanlung on August 18, 2021, 01:24:51 PM
Quote from: MU82 on August 17, 2021, 11:25:36 PM
Extort them?

Fuhgeddabowtit....
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: MU82 on August 18, 2021, 01:38:17 PM
Quote from: TSmith34 on August 18, 2021, 07:15:19 AM
LOL. Exhort.

I thought that's what you meant but I didn't want to assume. I mean, Wojo has been accused of just about everything else, so why not extortion, too?
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on August 18, 2021, 01:45:49 PM
Quote from: MU82 on August 18, 2021, 01:38:17 PM
I thought that's what you meant but I didn't want to assume. I mean, Wojo has been accused of just about everything else, so why not extortion, too?

The FBI teams bribed and won. Wojo extorted and lost. Too bad his teams were bad on steals as well. Wojo just couldn't get the criminal thing down, hey?
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: MU82 on August 18, 2021, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 18, 2021, 01:45:49 PM
The FBI teams bribed and won. Wojo extorted and lost. Too bad his teams were bad on steals as well. Wojo just couldn't get the criminal thing down, hey?

Indeed, his teams ended up getting whacked year after year!
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on August 18, 2021, 03:41:11 PM
Quote from: MU82 on August 18, 2021, 01:46:42 PM
Indeed, his teams ended up getting whacked year after year!

His numbers game was not good either. Too often his crew paid out more than they took in.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Hards Alumni on August 19, 2021, 12:24:26 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 13, 2021, 03:34:40 PM
I think the difference between Mr. Jones and the previous 5'10 PG stories at MU is that he is known as a defensive plus whereas the the ones under Wojo were known for their offensive prowess. That doesn't make him better or worse (though I seriously doubt he'll be as good as Howard or Rowdy), just different.

His moves and body language remind me a lot of Derrick Wilson.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: MU82 on August 19, 2021, 01:22:55 PM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on August 19, 2021, 12:24:26 PM
His moves and body language remind me a lot of Derrick Wilson.

From the little bit we saw on film, our new PG is quicker than Derrick, and with a far better handle. But yes, I definitely see some similarities, too.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: mileskishnish72 on August 19, 2021, 01:29:39 PM
There are some similarities, but unlike Derrick (or Junior for that matter) he appears to be able to go to his left when the occasion calls for it.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 19, 2021, 09:33:13 PM
https://www.cerebrosports.com/blog/eybl-review-floor-general-skills-fgs

A really good article breaking down Mr. Jones' game. Gotta say I'm excited about this pickup
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Herman Cain on August 19, 2021, 09:41:07 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 19, 2021, 09:33:13 PM
https://www.cerebrosports.com/blog/eybl-review-floor-general-skills-fgs

A really good article breaking down Mr. Jones' game. Gotta say I'm excited about this pickup
Mr. Jones is an excellent prospect .
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: MU82 on August 19, 2021, 10:07:57 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 19, 2021, 09:33:13 PM
https://www.cerebrosports.com/blog/eybl-review-floor-general-skills-fgs

A really good article breaking down Mr. Jones' game. Gotta say I'm excited about this pickup

Love that, TAMU. Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: brewcity77 on August 20, 2021, 12:33:42 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 19, 2021, 09:33:13 PM
https://www.cerebrosports.com/blog/eybl-review-floor-general-skills-fgs

A really good article breaking down Mr. Jones' game. Gotta say I'm excited about this pickup

Great article. I really hope he likes Milwaukee
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Marqevans on August 24, 2021, 11:56:59 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 20, 2021, 12:33:42 PM
Great article. I really hope he likes Milwaukee

What's not to like about 36 degrees and rainy?
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 24, 2021, 12:15:13 PM
Quote from: Marqevans on August 24, 2021, 11:56:59 AM
What's not to like about 36 degrees and rainy?

The fact that that's considered a warm spring day
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: tower912 on August 24, 2021, 12:46:50 PM
Quote from: Marqevans on August 24, 2021, 11:56:59 AM
What's not to like about 36 degrees and rainy?
Golf weather.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: muwarrior69 on August 24, 2021, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 19, 2021, 09:33:13 PM
https://www.cerebrosports.com/blog/eybl-review-floor-general-skills-fgs

A really good article breaking down Mr. Jones' game. Gotta say I'm excited about this pickup

Looks like he traveled on one or two of those plays.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: LAZER on August 24, 2021, 12:57:32 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 24, 2021, 12:56:30 PM
Looks like he traveled on one or two of those plays.
LOL
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 24, 2021, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 24, 2021, 12:56:30 PM
Looks like he traveled on one or two of those plays.

He didn't.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: MU82 on August 24, 2021, 02:44:53 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 24, 2021, 12:56:30 PM
Looks like he traveled on one or two of those plays.

Yeah, Mr. Naismith, it was the one where the ball ended up in the peach basket.
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: tower912 on August 24, 2021, 03:17:53 PM
Before or after the 5 passes leading to a set shot?
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 09, 2021, 08:48:16 AM
https://twitter.com/JakeSpegal270/status/1435675170333724672

Can we get a neck analysis Herman?
Title: Re: Welcome Mr. Jones
Post by: Herman Cain on September 09, 2021, 09:44:23 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 09, 2021, 08:48:16 AM
https://twitter.com/JakeSpegal270/status/1435675170333724672

Can we get a neck analysis Herman?
Absolutely perfect very strong and muscular.
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