Let's talk about this Freshmen class. Obviously there is a learning curve but I also think it's conceivable they'll step in and be very solid/productive. If two bring the goods I think this MU team will be far better than expected. What are you hoping to see from this group collectively and individually?
I like Kuath, OMax, and Kolek. I think our trio of transfers will hold their own and bring tenacity and excitement.
Have we considered any nicknames for our guys?
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 01, 2021, 11:17:39 AM
Let's talk about this Freshmen class.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 01, 2021, 11:17:39 AM
I like Kuath, OMax, and Kolek. I think our trio of transfers will hold their own and bring tenacity and excitement.
Not Freshman ;D
Kidding aside, I really like the frosh class, but since even the upperclassmen (also mostly new @ MU) are stepping into a new system, it's hard for me to see them putting it all together as a team early in the year. Hopefully they all come together for some nice wins as the season goes on, but I'm expecting a lot of missteps early.
If they exceed that, and show flashes of greatness early, I'll be ecstatic.
i hope to see gradual improvement over the year. also hope to see some frosh show flashes of potential. im smelling some bias here. we all want the team to be good next year but i cant see it. could be rough for a bit. not sure how good the big east is next year but id say 6th place finish is absolute maximum Ceiling for these guys. ill go 8th place finish.
Lots of three star first years as well as second year players who did not do a ton at a P6 level during their first year. In the Joplin interview, he said there is athleticism and energy. Great. And I assume one or more first year players emerge.
Best case? National championship, undefeated, un-scored upon.
Realistic? Similar record to last year, but optimism because there are enough flashes to give hope.
Love your optimism Muggs but there are simply too many ifs, and not just regarding the freshmen but as already noted, the other players too + Shaka getting them to learn his system(s). That's a LOT.
Our best hope (besides your narrative) for a better than expected BE record may be if we luck out on BE scheduling and get both Nova and both UCONN games early in the conference part of the season. Let's admit it- those 4 games are all very highly likely to be losses. This would give our guys a better chance to get some wins against less formidable opponents since they will have more experience both as individuals and, most importantly, as a team.
Quote from: tower912 on August 01, 2021, 11:56:44 AM
Lots of three star first years as well as second year players who did not do a ton at a P6 level during their first year. In the Joplin interview, he said there is athleticism and energy. Great. And I assume one or more first year players emerge.
Best case? National championship, undefeated, un-scored upon.
Realistic? Similar record to last year, but optimism because there are enough flashes to give hope.
Do you think Kuarh and O-Max could put up better scoring numbers than anticipated? I expect Morsell to have an excellent season.
Anything is possible. But where would you honestly put your money?
Most people upset over losing Bond probably don't know that Joplin dropped 41 points on his team in the regional final game this year (Bond had 14). It's easier to be upset over the player we didn't get, but I think Joplin will contribute a lot more than many expect this year as a stretch forward.
The guards are all question marks but I'm excited for the fresh look to the team.
Quote from: tower912 on August 01, 2021, 12:06:14 PM
Anything is possible. But where would you honestly put your money?
I dunno....I was thinking between them 18 ppg and 15 rebs.
No expectations. Too young, completely new roster, new coach. Watch and see how the season unfolds
Quote from: CountryRoads on August 01, 2021, 12:13:06 PM
Most people upset over losing Bond probably don't know that Joplin dropped 41 points on his team in the regional final game this year (Bond had 14). It's easier to be upset over the player we didn't get, but I think Joplin will contribute a lot more than many expect this year as a stretch forward.
The guards are all question marks but I'm excited for the fresh look to the team.
Do they ply the same position?
Did they guard each other?
Quote from: tower912 on August 01, 2021, 11:56:44 AM
Lots of three star first years as well as second year players who did not do a ton at a P6 level during their first year. In the Joplin interview, he said there is athleticism and energy. Great. And I assume one or more first year players emerge.
Best case? National championship, undefeated, un-scored upon.
Realistic? Similar record to last year, but optimism because there are enough flashes to give hope.
In a perfect world.....you nailed it!
but you realize if they won each game 50-0, people would complain about the lack of offense.
And, if they won each game 100-10, people would say the offense looks like it's coming around, but defense looks suspect.
The season is going to come down to the half dozen games that are not decided before the final two minutes.
Go 4-2 in those games probably means a good season.
Extremely young and inexperienced, nobody with a big resume' or reputation - so no expectations regarding record or our place in the standings. If we play hard and with cohesion, I'll be happy and optimistic going forward. If not, I'll be worried.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 01, 2021, 03:55:19 PM
Extremely young and inexperienced, nobody with a big resume' or reputation - so no expectations regarding record or our place in the standings. If we play hard and with cohesion, I'll be happy and optimistic going forward. If not, I'll be worried.
This is where I am at too.
For some reason (in addition to his injury) JLew lost his way during the course of last season. We're talking about a very talented kid with a myriad of skills on both ends of the floor. He got way too 3 happy imo and his shooting slumped.
I expect the young man to rebound quite strongly and put up some formidable numbers as well as defend much better. One concern I have is we have some up front players that may have overlapping skill sets. I wish Cain had come back but maybe Joplin, O-Max, Kuath, and Oso with all of our guards will be enough.
We are young but have a lot of depth on paper. I'm wondering if Morsell and JLew can consistently score the ball and who else will emerge on that front? I'm extremely excited to watch this team despite the unknowns and have confidence that we will turn the corner so to speak much more quickly than people expect. Think of Wade crossing over some poor sap in the dust. MU will absolutely bounce back but we do need to exercise some patience.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 01, 2021, 11:17:39 AM
Let's talk about this Freshmen class. Obviously there is a learning curve but I also think it's conceivable they'll step in and be very solid/productive. If two bring the goods I think this MU team will be far better than expected. What are you hoping to see from this group collectively and individually?
I like Kuath, OMax, and Kolek. I think our trio of transfers will hold their own and bring tenacity and excitement.
Have we considered any nicknames for our guys?
I look at all freshman as prospects. I like to see how they do in non conference before rendering any analysis . The jump from high school to college is a big one and some can make the transition faster than others. That said, I think by the end of non conference season, one freshman will emerge as a rotation and ,by the end of the season, another one will also be in the rotation. That is more a function of the fact that we have 5 freshman in the class, then any judgement on their abilities.
I do like that the 5 man freshman all seem to have different skills. So if they come together and grow as a group they have an interesting potential for team chemistry.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 01, 2021, 03:55:19 PM
Extremely young and inexperienced, nobody with a big resume' or reputation - so no expectations regarding record or our place in the standings. If we play hard and with cohesion, I'll be happy and optimistic going forward. If not, I'll be worried.
Well stated. I agree.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 01, 2021, 03:55:19 PM
Extremely young and inexperienced, nobody with a big resume' or reputation - so no expectations regarding record or our place in the standings. If we play hard and with cohesion, I'll be happy and optimistic going forward. If not, I'll be worried.
Darryl Morsell won the Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year last season and was a two-time all-conference selection in the Big Ten.
Also, Morsell is just 1 of 16 players in Maryland basketball history with 1,000 points, 500 rebounds and 100 starts.
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/darryl-morsell/6659
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 01, 2021, 03:55:19 PM
Extremely young and inexperienced, nobody with a big resume' or reputation - so no expectations regarding record or our place in the standings. If we play hard and with cohesion, I'll be happy and optimistic going forward. If not, I'll be worried.
Furthermore, Tyler Kolek is the reigning A10 Freshman of the Year and O-Max played on Team Canada in the 2021 FIBA U19 World Cup this summer.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 01, 2021, 12:37:14 PM
No expectations. Too young, completely new roster, new coach. Watch and see how the season unfolds
Agree. Don't expect much
Figurin' dale surprize ya, hey?
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 01, 2021, 04:22:09 PM
I look at all freshman as prospects. I like to see how they do in non conference before rendering any analysis . The jump from high school to college is a big one and some can make the transition faster than others. That said, I think by the end of non conference season, one freshman will emerge as a rotation and ,by the end of the season, another one will also be in the rotation. That is more a function of the fact that we have 5 freshman in the class, then any judgement on their abilities.
I do like that the 5 man freshman all seem to have different skills. So if they come together and grow as a group they have an interesting potential for team chemistry.
I seen several players at MU look good in non-conference not perform well in the Big East.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 01, 2021, 03:55:19 PM
Extremely young and inexperienced, nobody with a big resume' or reputation - so no expectations regarding record or our place in the standings. If we play hard and with cohesion, I'll be happy and optimistic going forward. If not, I'll be worried.
This. I'd be overjoyed with a team that could challenge for a NCAA berth, but my realistic hope is play hard, compete, and show flashes of what our young core can become.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 01, 2021, 03:55:19 PM
Extremely young and inexperienced, nobody with a big resume' or reputation - so no expectations regarding record or our place in the standings. If we play hard and with cohesion, I'll be happy and optimistic going forward. If not, I'll be worried.
What if they play respectably hard but the talent level is clearly not what's needed to succeed in the Big East?
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on August 01, 2021, 09:08:08 PM
What if they play respectably hard but the talent level is clearly not what's needed to succeed in the Big East?
If they play hard and look well coached but look short on talent I'll expect a talent infusion in the offseason. And if we don't get it I'll be worried.
Lots of "what if's". I hope and think we'll be fine.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 01, 2021, 06:39:49 PM
Figurin' dale surprize ya, hey?
That would be great but the ship will not turn around that fast. Need to give him a few years to get it going.
Quote from: bilsu on August 01, 2021, 07:21:53 PM
I seen several players at MU look good in non-conference not perform well in the Big East.
My focus is on how well they do against the quality teams in non - conference , not the buy games .