At least they are playing. A shame about those who cannot make it. Would love to see Brooks and Bryson with a weekend pairing in some weather.
Rahm or Koepka, until someone else takes it.
Quote from: tower912 on July 13, 2021, 01:09:42 PM
At least they are playing. A shame about those who cannot make it. Would love to see Brooks and Bryson with a weekend pairing in some weather.
Rahm or Koepka, until someone else takes it.
I'm gonna go with a first time winner Tower. Maybe Tyrrell Hatton or Schauffele.
Royal St. George's in the "modern era":
1981: Bill Rogers -4
1985: Sandy Lyle +2
1993: Greg Norman -13
2003: Ben Curtis -1
2011: Darren Clarke -5
Rogers won 4 times in 1981 and was the PGA Tour player of the year.
Lyle would win the Masters in 1988 along with 3 European Tour Order of Merit titles, in an era that meant something, including 1985.
Norman was brilliant in '93 outdueling 10 players who had won majors that finished in the top-10 including ties at that Open.
Curtis and Clarke were very fluky. Clarke never won again while Curtis would have one more real solid season in 2008 before fading into oblivion.
Recent past champs are a mixed group with the last two being definitive surprises.
The weather looks benign, so scoring should be closer to '93 scoring. Seems to me if that's the case, one of the alphas should win this. Quite bullish on Rahm
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 13, 2021, 07:26:21 PM
Curtis and Clarke were very fluky. Clarke never won again while Curtis would have one more real solid season in 2008 before fading into oblivion.
Curtis and Clarke aren't comparable for me. Clarke was a consistent player who won a ton in Europe, had won on the PGA tour, won a couple WGC's including beating a prime Tiger in a match play final, and I'm pretty sure he was a top 10 guy for awhile. He had top 10s at all 4 majors before finally breaking through.
Curtis meanwhile was an unremarkable college golfer, was on the Hooters tour, and then didn't even have a top 25 as a rookie. He won the Open and then did nothing. I think he had 2 top 10s the next 3 years.
The Open is great cause of the random people that appear atop the leaderboard for sure. Surprised Herman hasn't appeared to present the case for an easy Tiger victory
Not sure why, but I keep thinking this could be a spot for Spieth to re-emerge as a major champ.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 13, 2021, 07:44:03 PM
Curtis and Clarke aren't comparable for me. Clarke was a consistent player who won a ton in Europe, had won on the PGA tour, won a couple WGC's including beating a prime Tiger in a match play final, and I'm pretty sure he was a top 10 guy for awhile. He had top 10s at all 4 majors before finally breaking through.
Curtis meanwhile was an unremarkable college golfer, was on the Hooters tour, and then didn't even have a top 25 as a rookie. He won the Open and then did nothing. I think he had 2 top 10s the next 3 years.
The Open is great cause of the random people that appear atop the leaderboard for sure. Surprised Herman hasn't appeared to present the case for an easy Tiger victory
2011 Darren Clarke was a surprise winner. Had Clarke won earlier in his career, it wouldn't have been that big a surprise. Couple that with the fact he hadn't had a top-10 in a major in decade at that point and was 42, he was an unlikely winner in the sense that he won when he won. He definitely had a better career than Curtis but his win in '11 was unexpected. That is probably better than calling it fluky.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 13, 2021, 07:44:03 PM
Curtis and Clarke aren't comparable for me. Clarke was a consistent player who won a ton in Europe, had won on the PGA tour, won a couple WGC's including beating a prime Tiger in a match play final, and I'm pretty sure he was a top 10 guy for awhile. He had top 10s at all 4 majors before finally breaking through.
Curtis meanwhile was an unremarkable college golfer, was on the Hooters tour, and then didn't even have a top 25 as a rookie. He won the Open and then did nothing. I think he had 2 top 10s the next 3 years.
The Open is great cause of the random people that appear atop the leaderboard for sure. Surprised Herman hasn't appeared to present the case for an easy Tiger victory
Tiger is on the bench recovering from his car accident so he is out. However, if he wasn't I would say this course gives him his best chance at another Open at his current stage .
That said , I think the leaderboard will be full of top 30-50 type players if the wind isn't blowing. A guy like Spieth might make a run at it.
Quote from: MU82 on July 13, 2021, 07:52:57 PM
Not sure why, but I keep thinking this could be a spot for Spieth to re-emerge as a major champ.
Not far fetched but I wonder if it becomes a shootout if he has enough ammo to match the Koepkas and Rahms
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 13, 2021, 07:54:12 PM
Tiger is on the bench recovering from his car accident so he is out. However, if he wasn't I would say this course gives him his best chance at another Open at his current stage .
That said , I think the leaderboard will be full of top 30-50 type players if the wind isn't blowing. A guy like Spieth might make a run at it.
Are we underestimating the Euros in the field?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 13, 2021, 07:53:05 PM
2011 Darren Clarke was a surprise winner. Had Clarke won earlier in his career, it wouldn't have been that big a surprise. Couple that with the fact he hadn't had a top-10 in a major in decade at that point and was 42, he was an unlikely winner in the sense that he won when he won. He definitely had a better career than Curtis but his win in '11 was unexpected. That is probably better than calling it fluky.
That's fair. I agree it was a surprise and he wasn't on the radar coming in. Just saying he was a very accomplished golfer who had been in the realm before.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 13, 2021, 07:54:12 PM
Tiger is on the bench recovering from his car accident so he is out. However, if he wasn't I would say this course gives him his best chance at another Open at his current stage .
It was a joke my man. Tiger isn't winning another, time to let it go
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 13, 2021, 08:11:48 PM
Are we underestimating the Euros in the field?
Including those Euros in my top 30-50
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 13, 2021, 08:31:29 PM
Including those Euros in my top 30-50
My bad Herman. I wasn't thinking about Euros when you mentioned the top 30-50.
Rahm?
Quote from: tower912 on July 13, 2021, 08:39:24 PM
Rahm?
Oh...right. But I was thinking of non-favorites. Is Lowry on his game?
I think if Bryson were to get caught in weather, it would look like the back nine at Torrey Pines. I just don't think his current game translates to gusty winds and sideways rain.
Quote from: tower912 on July 14, 2021, 06:51:14 AM
I think if Bryson were to get caught in weather, it would look like the back nine at Torrey Pines. I just don't think his current game translates to gusty winds and sideways rain.
Forecast looks sunny but windy. St. George's has a lot of "bad luck" bounces. I think Bryson will have as much trouble with that as the weather
Edit: Winds forecast up to 25MPH all 4 days now. Giddy up
Quote from: tower912 on July 13, 2021, 01:09:42 PM
At least they are playing. A shame about those who cannot make it. Would love to see Brooks and Bryson with a weekend pairing in some weather.
Rahm or Koepka, until someone else takes it.
Would love to see Koepka win it. We went to the same high school, both played on the golf team, though decades apart. One of us played far better than the other. ;)
I can also brag about beating a two time Open champion during a tournament at PGA National. Granted, it was one hole, at 1 in the morning at a party on a house on the course. He hit a 7 iron that went into the trees and I hit a putter that went 50 yards at a time down the fairway. But hey, still, winning! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: pbiflyer on July 14, 2021, 07:47:14 AM
Would love to see Koepka win it. We went to the same high school, both played on the golf team, though decades apart. One of us played far better than the other.
You really were that much better than Koepka in high school? Wow!
spieth and reed in a dog fight with kooch leishman lowry and ancer applying some pressure
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on July 14, 2021, 01:39:39 PM
spieth and reed in a dog fight with kooch leishman lowry and ancer applying some pressure
kooch ... haven't heard his name in awhile. He and Fowler seemed on the precipice of greatness forever, and they obviously were very very good (and still are), but never broke through. It would be interesting to have him in the mix on Sunday.
Quote from: MU82 on July 14, 2021, 03:31:11 PM
kooch ... haven't heard his name in awhile. He and Fowler seemed on the precipice of greatness forever, and they obviously were very very good (and still are), but never broke through. It would be interesting to have him in the mix on Sunday.
I'm surprised Kuchar drops the cash to fly over
He would. But don't be his bellhop.
Quote from: tower912 on July 14, 2021, 03:43:04 PM
He would. But don't be his bellhop.
or caddy
remember 2017 open, spieth and kuchar going at it until jordan got stupid starting at hole #14
"go get that"
Not a good start for Rahm.. Speith -3 through 13.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 15, 2021, 07:13:24 AM
Not a good start of Rahm.. Speith -3 through 13.
Oosthizen with a nice start -4 through 13. Always seems to be around the top of these major leaderboards.
Great player. They are shredding this course. .
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 15, 2021, 07:24:01 AM
Great player. They are shredding this course. .
Clubhouse leader in 2011 was -5 after round one, which was the eventual winning score
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 15, 2021, 07:40:26 AM
Clubhouse leader in 2011 was -5 after round one, which was the eventual winning score
The wind is about to pick up. The greens are crazy slow. Who ya got? I guess it's still early.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 15, 2021, 07:51:38 AM
The wind is about to pick up. The greens are crazy slow. Who ya got? I guess it's still early.
Going to wait to see how things shake out Friday.
You just know that the guys who go out early and post a score walk off the 18th green and start muttering "Blow, wind, blow."
The R&A take a different attitude about setting up the courses than does the USGA or PGA. The R&A has the course grow the rough and gorse up, sets the pins, and then lets the weather dictate score. They can't speed the greens up to Augusta/Oakmont standards because then the ball will not stop on them in the wind. They don't care if -20 wins, if that is what the conditions permit. St. Andrews is far too short for the modern professional. But if the rain is howling sideways.....
Quote from: tower912 on July 15, 2021, 08:23:08 AM
You just know that the guys who go out early and post a score walk off the 18th green and start muttering "Blow, wind, blow."
The R&A take a different attitude about setting up the courses than does the USGA or PGA. The R&A has the course grow the rough and gorse up, sets the pins, and then lets the weather dictate score. They can't speed the greens up to Augusta/Oakmont standards because then the ball will not stop on them in the wind. They don't care if -20 wins, if that is what the conditions permit. St. Andrews is far too short for the modern professional. But if the rain is howling sideways.....
Yes. But the course is playing so soft. I'm not sure the wind will cause too much havoc today. Rahm and De Charcuterie have probs Tower.
i wanted so bad to add harmon to my team, but i had to go with guys who've been there...i might be sorry. 1st round 65 was solid, but i'll take jordie's play on and around green all day long
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 15, 2021, 08:35:29 AM
Yes. But the course is playing so soft. I'm not sure the wind will cause too much havoc today. Rahm and De Charcuterie have probs Tower.
Bryson is going to struggle playing links golf until he learns to flight the ball. He hits it too high for the wind. Rahm is coming off a major victory. These aren't problems. These are challenges.
Bunch of huge names floundering around what figures to be the cut line.
Quote from: tower912 on July 15, 2021, 08:59:21 AM
Bryson is going to struggle playing links golf until he learns to flight the ball. He hits it too high for the wind. Rahm is coming off a major victory. These aren't problems. These are challenges.
until bryson understands he can't play "grip n rip it" on every course or hole, he's going to struggle. mr scientist has got to learn how to finesse some shots in between flexing
Quote from: MU82 on July 15, 2021, 09:02:45 AM
Bunch of huge names floundering around what figures to be the cut line.
how can they have a "projected cut line" before all of the golfers have started round one, the conditions are ever changing, etc
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on July 15, 2021, 09:17:22 AM
until bryson understands he can't play "grip n rip it" on every course or hole, he's going to struggle. mr scientist has got to learn how to finesse some shots in between flexing
"Struggle". Dude has won 3 times in the last year including the US Open and a top 5 in the PGA. One of 3 players to win a NCAA, US Am, and a US Open. The other 2 are the consensus best golfers of all time. He's top 5 in the world right now. We could all hope to struggle so much.
If you mean at the Open Championship? Sure. But there are many greats who have struggled there.
Dude is a firebrand who has made himself a target, I get it. But his demise and "failures" are always over exaggerated.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 15, 2021, 10:21:27 AM
"Struggle". Dude has won 3 times in the last year including the US Open and a top 5 in the PGA. One of 3 players to win a NCAA, US Am, and a US Open. The other 2 are the consensus best golfers of all time. He's top 5 in the world right now. We could all hope to struggle so much.
If you mean at the Open Championship? Sure. But there are many greats who have struggled there.
Dude is a firebrand who has made himself a target, I get it. But his demise and "failures" are always over exaggerated.
yes, he struggles when he could be even better. the masters comes to mind. he wouldn't change his game plan. trying to beat augusta is like trying to beat mother nature. you have to respect her. but he wanted to try to over power augusta, it wasn't working and he doubled down. you can be "jack armstrong" and still have the discipline to know when to let your foot off the gas a little.
i like the guy. i don't care what's going on with he and koepka. as a matter of fact, bryson seems like he's being the adult in the room, but whatever. "firebrand" ? maybe. great interview on feherty and he was fantastic in "the match" with rodgers. helluva a talent and a nice guy
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on July 15, 2021, 12:16:43 PM
yes, he struggles when he could be even better. the masters comes to mind. he wouldn't change his game plan. trying to beat augusta is like trying to beat mother nature. you have to respect her. but he wanted to try to over power augusta, it wasn't working and he doubled down. you can be "jack armstrong" and still have the discipline to know when to let your foot off the gas a little.
i like the guy. i don't care what's going on with he and koepka. as a matter of fact, bryson seems like he's being the adult in the room, but whatever. "firebrand" ? maybe. great interview on feherty and he was fantastic in "the match" with rodgers. helluva a talent and a nice guy
I don't like Bryson. He believes in science. Burn the witch
I am not a Bryson fan. But not so much that I really give it a lot of thought. He hits the ball high and far. In the wind, the 'high' part can be an immense liability. He has a need to quantify everything, down to how different amounts of moisture on a ball can effect spin rate. That is fine. You be you, Bryson. Links golf is not about flying the ball 167.5 yards and having it check. Which is difficult for his amazing mind to handle.
The best think for Bryson would be for him to spend a month or so on vacation playing links courses. Learning to flight his irons and his wedges. Learning how to hit low spin 3/4 6 irons to fly 175 and run out 25.
French guy with a man bun. Siem's unusual for an Open.
Quote from: tower912 on July 15, 2021, 12:49:46 PM
French guy with a man bun. Siem's unusual for an Open.
He's German
I should have done a Google search first. Shame on me.
Quote from: tower912 on July 15, 2021, 12:48:14 PM
I am not a Bryson fan. But not so much that I really give it a lot of thought. He hits the ball high and far. In the wind, the 'high' part can be an immense liability. He has a need to quantify everything, down to how different amounts of moisture on a ball can effect spin rate. That is fine. You be you, Bryson. Links golf is not about flying the ball 167.5 yards and having it check. Which is difficult for his amazing mind to handle.
The best think for Bryson would be for him to spend a month or so on vacation playing links courses. Learning to flight his irons and his wedges. Learning how to hit low spin 3/4 6 irons to fly 175 and run out 25.
Shade aside, I don't think your concluding point is a bad one. That is if he's intent on winning the Open. Otherwise, I think his methods and mentality will do just fine in the US, how they set courses up, etc..
Recent off the field nightmares aside, I think there are some similarities between him and Trevor Bauer. Both are extremely analytical and confident outside the box thinkers when it comes to their approach in their respective sports, rubbing people the wrong way while doing so. Both were very accomplished as young amateurs and both took awhile to get it going with their approaches at the professional level but then broke through big. Remains to be seen if its enduring or not.
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on July 15, 2021, 10:20:05 AM
how can they have a "projected cut line" before all of the golfers have started round one, the conditions are ever changing, etc
"They" don't.
Top 70 and ties make the cut. I was just looking at those who already were tied for 72nd or worse after their rounds, knowing they wouldn't move up based on anything those in the afternoon shot. Now that the round is over, there are even more big names on the fence.
I guess I was wrong. Clearly the morning guys had the better draw today.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 15, 2021, 02:37:22 PM
I guess I was wrong. Clearly the morning guys had the better draw today.
Never admit you were wrong. This is in the Scoop handbook
Quote from: JWags85 on July 15, 2021, 02:25:55 PM
Shade aside, I don't think your concluding point is a bad one. That is if he's intent on winning the Open. Otherwise, I think his methods and mentality will do just fine in the US, how they set courses up, etc..
Recent off the field nightmares aside, I think there are some similarities between him and Trevor Bauer. Both are extremely analytical and confident outside the box thinkers when it comes to their approach in their respective sports, rubbing people the wrong way while doing so. Both were very accomplished as young amateurs and both took awhile to get it going with their approaches at the professional level but then broke through big. Remains to be seen if its enduring or not.
I expect he will win more majors. I accept his mind works differently. It can be fascinating to watch. Links golf is different. Can Bryson make the mental adjustments? It took Phil a couple of decades. It took Tiger and Spieth just a couple of years. Which will Bryson be?
Quote from: tower912 on July 15, 2021, 12:49:46 PM
French guy with a man bun. Siem's unusual for an Open.
Gareth Bale made the Open field?
(I know he's Cymraeg)
Zalatoris needs to keep looking for a better putting routine. That looked like a Monday night golf league when the dude was ticked you didn't concede his putt. If he makes the Ryder cup, I cannot see Europe telling him to pick any thing up.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 15, 2021, 02:25:55 PM
Shade aside, I don't think your concluding point is a bad one. That is if he's intent on winning the Open. Otherwise, I think his methods and mentality will do just fine in the US, how they set courses up, etc..
Recent off the field nightmares aside, I think there are some similarities between him and Trevor Bauer. Both are extremely analytical and confident outside the box thinkers when it comes to their approach in their respective sports, rubbing people the wrong way while doing so. Both were very accomplished as young amateurs and both took awhile to get it going with their approaches at the professional level but then broke through big. Remains to be seen if its enduring or not.
bryson commits a sponsor "no-no" blames bad first round on his driver-cobra says what???? bryson says i'm sorry...nothing worse than getting the stink eye from rickie
https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/31823540/a-frustrated-bryson-dechambeau-blames-first-round-open-woes-driver
Some bigger numbers in this morning wave but still a few decent rounds. Course is showing itself well. Morikawa -4 on his round through 9, though Finau was, too and gave 2 back on the first 3 on the back
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 16, 2021, 05:04:00 AM
Some bigger numbers in this morning wave but still a few decent rounds. Course is showing itself well. Morikawa -4 on his round through 9, though Finau was, too and gave 2 back on the first 3 on the back
Morikawa has apparentky decided to go low. It doesn't look like the wind is expected to blow much the next few days.
On the wrong side of cut line with a few holes to play ...
If only Bryson wasn't stuck with that sucky Cobra driver ...
that Cobra pays him a bazillion dollars to promote!
Can't play bomb and gouge out of knee high fescue.
Uhhhh....it looks like Louie decided he's not playing around. -12 with four to play? The dude can seriously swing it.
Oosthuizen gives one back so he finishes at -11. You have Morikawa, who won the PGA in dreary cooler windy conditions last year, 2 back. You have Spieth 3 back and looking steady. Then you have Dustin Johnson lurking at -7.
Should be fun. Oosthuizen has been playing fantastic golf this year, but he had narrow leads in the 2nd/3rd round in both the US Open and the PGA. So its not like he's been off to the races when he's had the bit in his mouth.
Personally pulling for Morikawa cause I think he could be a superstar but Spieth would be really fun too if he can avoid an implosion along the way.
Rooting for a Stenson-Mickelson Nicklaus-watson shootout.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 16, 2021, 02:22:24 PM
Oosthuizen gives one back so he finishes at -11. You have Morikawa, who won the PGA in dreary cooler windy conditions last year, 2 back. You have Spieth 3 back and looking steady. Then you have Dustin Johnson lurking at -7.
Should be fun. Oosthuizen has been playing fantastic golf this year, but he had narrow leads in the 2nd/3rd round in both the US Open and the PGA. So its not like he's been off to the races when he's had the bit in his mouth.
Personally pulling for Morikawa cause I think he could be a superstar but Spieth would be really fun too if he can avoid an implosion along the way.
Fun top of the leaderboard heading into the weekend. Looking forward to brunch and the British Open for two days!
Related:
If Cobra has a behavior clause in its endorsement contract with BD, this is a pretty good time to exercise it. To a corporation, having your No. 1 endorser tell the entire world that your product "sucks" is just about as bad as (or maybe even worse than) having him kill somebody.
Bryson walked it back. Acknowledging that he sucks, not his driver
Love where Rahm is.
Solid bounce back rounds for Rahm and Koepka. It should be a great weekend but I can't see Louie or Morikawa backing up much with the forecast.
Quote from: tower912 on July 16, 2021, 04:03:53 PM
Bryson walked it back. Acknowledging that he sucks, not his driver
Yeah ... but the damage was done, no?
"You lookin' at the Cobra driver?"
"Well, I was, but DeChambeau says it sucks."
"Yeah, but he came back out and said he was wrong."
"Sure, only after he had to. I'm not using that piece of crud. There are too many good drivers out there."
Seriously, I don't see how Cobra doesn't fire him.
Oh, and after he was asked about the wind, Koepka responded: "Drove the ball great. Love my driver! Everything's going really well."
Gotta love it.
Quote from: tower912 on July 16, 2021, 04:03:53 PM
Bryson walked it back. Acknowledging that he sucks, not his driver
It was bound to happen. Dude was clearly just frustrated and venting. As has been mentioned here before, despite all the nonsense, he's a nice dude and not some pretty boy who is a douche to everyone. I think the pressure and noise around everything is getting to him.
Quote from: MU82 on July 16, 2021, 04:48:19 PM
Yeah ... but the damage was done, no?
"You lookin' at the Cobra driver?"
"Well, I was, but DeChambeau says it sucks."
"Yeah, but he came back out and said he was wrong."
"Sure, only after he had to. I'm not using that piece of crud. There are too many good drivers out there."
Seriously, I don't see how Cobra doesn't fire him.
I could understand if they did. But that's likely cancelled out by one of the best players on Tour winning with it going forward. If they think he's still a force to be reckoned with then it's probably a gamble worth taking. Having that in the bag as he's atop leader boards makes people forget a throw away comment pretty quick
Looks like a fun weekend ahead at The Open. Lots of quality players in contention.
A good explanation of why it is so difficult for ANY driver to go consistently straight when swung as hard as Bryson is swinging.
https://golf.com/gear/drivers/bryson-dechambeau-cobra-driver-limits/
Quote from: JWags85 on July 16, 2021, 05:47:11 PM
It was bound to happen. Dude was clearly just frustrated and venting. As has been mentioned here before, despite all the nonsense, he's a nice dude and not some pretty boy who is a douche to everyone. I think the pressure and noise around everything is getting to him.
I could understand if they did. But that's likely cancelled out by one of the best players on Tour winning with it going forward. If they think he's still a force to be reckoned with then it's probably a gamble worth taking. Having that in the bag as he's atop leader boards makes people forget a throw away comment pretty quick
I don't know if DeChambeau is a nice dude, a bad guy or, most likely, just a regular guy with some interesting quirks.
The pressure and noise ... well ... that's largely of his own creation, Wags. It's kinda like Cam Newton doing the Superman thing; when he wasn't Superman, he was easy to ridicule, and it didn't matter to many observers that he was one of the most charitable athletes in Charlotte sports history.
I'm not sure yet whether it would benefit Cobra or not to remain associated with a guy who told the entire world that their drivers suck. Would Gatorade have stayed with Jordan if, on live TV, he took a swig, spat it out, and said, "That's the most disgusting thing I've ever tasted!"? Maybe they would have. But if you're a corporation, you have to protect your brand. Who knows? Maybe the damage DeChambeau did to Cobra's brand can't even be repaired.
Quote from: tower912 on July 16, 2021, 06:59:57 PM
A good explanation of why it is so difficult for ANY driver to go consistently straight when swung as hard as Bryson is swinging.
https://golf.com/gear/drivers/bryson-dechambeau-cobra-driver-limits/
So my swing is just too damn powerful? That's my takeaway from this.
Quote from: pbiflyer on July 16, 2021, 07:39:21 PM
So my swing is just too damn powerful? That's my takeaway from this.
It's good to know we've never taken bad hacks at it before. Feel better tossing that driver towards the cart now
Complete meltdown from Koepka on 2 and 3. I'm rooting for Speith or Morikawa but it would also be great if DJ found a way.
It appears the course is playing much harder with the pin placements but what do you expect the number to be by the end of the day? I still think someone could shoot a 65 but I'm going with Morikawa leading at -13. He could be an absolute superstar imo.
Quote from: tower912 on July 16, 2021, 06:59:57 PM
A good explanation of why it is so difficult for ANY driver to go consistently straight when swung as hard as Bryson is swinging.
https://golf.com/gear/drivers/bryson-dechambeau-cobra-driver-limits/
My Callaway driver sucks.
It's the only possible explanation for me hitting an average of about 5 fairways per round!
Bryson has the same issues when he misses the sweet spot. His swing speed dictates that the outcomes are magnified. He has to try to keep the ball in the fairway at 320 and have it stay in the fairway as it rolls out to 350. So his swing path and contact point have to be more exact.
Many courses, he can get away with missing the fairways and still have a shot, based on rough thickness, trees, what is in front of the green.
Not at a British Open.
His driver is fine. There is not one made that is perfect for his needs
Quote from: tower912 on July 17, 2021, 09:59:25 AM
Bryson has the same issues when he misses the sweet spot. His swing speed dictates that the outcomes are magnified. He has to try to keep the ball in the fairway at 320 and have it stay in the fairway as it rolls out to 350. So his swing path and contact point have to be more exact.
Many courses, he can get away with missing the fairways and still have a shot, based on rough thickness, trees, what is in front of the green.
Not at a British Open.
His driver is fine. There is not one made that is perfect for his needs
Logical.
Sweet Jesus.... what was that from Morikawa? Nerves? Look out for Rahm and Cam Smith.
Louie, Louie
Oh-no
Me gotta go
Aye yi yi yi
Every nite at 10....,hey?
Holy cow how many pounds of muscle has Danny Willett added since he won the Masters? He and Bryson train together or what?
Morikawa just had 202 yards to go to the 8th hole ... and used a 9-iron.
Yeah, he was hitting with the wind, but that kind of thing still makes me chuckle.
Starting to look like Louie is on cruise control. I know he's only up 2 but there's just no strain in his game. When he putts well? Look out.
I like the top of the leaderboard. Lot of good shot makers
Huge break and then the par save for Speith on 12.
If Looie ends up not winning, he can look back on the numerous opportunities he's had to open up a multiple-stroke lead in the third round.
Meanwhile, Spieth keeps gutting out tough par after tough par.
Quote from: MU82 on July 17, 2021, 12:35:13 PM
If Looie ends up not winning, he can look back on the numerous opportunities he's had to open up a multiple-stroke lead in the third round.
Meanwhile, Spieth keeps gutting out tough par after tough par.
Agreed. Who finishes strong on top of the leaderboard? It's becoming a three man race.
Not a fan of several of the putting angles NBC gave us this morning.
Quote from: MU82 on July 17, 2021, 12:35:13 PM
If Looie ends up not winning, he can look back on the numerous opportunities he's had to open up a multiple-stroke lead in the third round.
Meanwhile, Spieth keeps gutting out tough par after tough par.
Knock on wood and a ton of golf left, but for someone who has had mental meltdowns repeatedly, Spieth has been tough as nails today
Quote from: JWags85 on July 17, 2021, 01:13:44 PM
Knock on wood and a ton of golf left, but for someone who has had mental meltdowns repeatedly, Spieth has been tough as nails today
As has Morikawa
Damn. That bump and run on 17 by Speith was about a foot from being perfect. Maybe you play more conservative there?
Holy crap. That 2 foot putt on 18 could really cost Speith. And unlike Speith and Louie, Morikawa made the right decision on 17 going less than Driver .
Moving day was more like wheel spinning day.
Quote from: tower912 on July 17, 2021, 01:49:32 PM
Moving day was more like wheel spinning day.
There's no way you would have bogeyed the final two holes Tower. It's going to be Morikawa or Louie tomorrow.
Au contraire. There are a dozen ways I could have bogeyed the last two holes.
Quote from: tower912 on July 17, 2021, 02:11:48 PM
Au contraire. There are a dozen ways I could have bogeyed the last two holes.
I strongly disagree. You would not have kicked away two shots like that under any possible circumstances. That was less than a two footer on 18 which means a complete lack of focus.
Will Zalatoris is on the line.
Everybody misses short putts. Spieth picked a crap time to do so. 18 to go.
Quote from: tower912 on July 17, 2021, 03:21:01 PM
Will Zalatoris is on the line.
Everybody misses short putts. Spieth picked a crap time to do so. 18 to go.
You're underestimating your mental fortitude Tower. He also made a poor decision on 17 and those two bogeys could very well cost him the tournament.
You are overestimating my mental fortitude.
If they set the course up easy tomorrow, I think anyone -7 or better can win this championship. The Pin placements were tough today.
It may be an advantage for Spieth not to be in the last group.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 17, 2021, 05:22:57 PM
If they set the course up easy tomorrow, I think anyone -7 or better can win this championship. The Pin placements were tough today.
It may be an advantage for Spieth not to be in the last group.
I actually agree with this. If he can straighten out off the tee, he can put up numbers quick. Like I mentioned before, I don't fully trust Louie to close. Morikawa's irons have been sublime, hes gonna be very dangerous if hes locked in from the jump
If I bet, it would be on Morikawa. But I think I am rooting for Louis.
If you are Europe, do you ever concede a putt to Spieth?
Quote from: tower912 on July 17, 2021, 05:50:24 PM
If I bet, it would be on Morikawa. But I think I am rooting for Louis.
If you are Europe, do you ever concede a putt to Spieth?
Morikawa with the putter is scary. He hits it so close, though, it may not matter
He is. But the greens are running 10.2 on the stimpmeter. It should somewhat mitigate this shaky putting.
A topic for a soon to be started thread will be about all of the erratic play by Americans and what it means for the Ryder Cup. Hint: I am not as optimistic as I would like that he.
Quote from: tower912 on July 17, 2021, 07:34:44 PM
He is. But the greens are running 10.2 on the stimpmeter. It should somewhat mitigate this shaky putting.
A topic for a soon to be started thread will be about all of the erratic play by Americans and what it means for the Ryder Cup. Hint: I am not as optimistic as I would like that he.
It's a mess for the Americans but the Euro team isn't exactly firing on all cylinders outside Rahm. They'll set up the Straits to be a bombers paradise, so the Americans will have some advantage. The team mix will be fascinating with 6 captains picks. I think they'd have been better served leaving 8/9 auto spots and going from there but I get it.
Sounds crazy, but that was a huge 2-3 foot putt on No. 1 by Spieth.
Miss that, and the putting nightmares start early. But he drilled it dead-center. Hoping that gets him going with the blade.
Quote from: MU82 on July 18, 2021, 08:39:21 AM
Sounds crazy, but that was a huge 2-3 foot putt on No. 1 by Spieth.
Miss that, and the putting nightmares start early. But he drilled it dead-center. Hoping that gets him going with
It's looking like a 2 man race. Speith has to make that par putt on 4.
Yeah, doesn't look good for Spieth. He's simply not hitting the ball well enough. His approaches have been wayward, and his putting is still letting him down. Oh well ... he gave it a nice run till the final few holes of R3.
Looking forward to Morikawa vs Oosthuizen the rest of the day.
Quote from: MU82 on July 18, 2021, 09:19:10 AM
Yeah, doesn't look good for Spieth. He's simply not hitting the ball well enough. His approaches have been wayward, and his putting is still letting him down. Oh well ... he gave it a nice run till the final few holes of R3.
Looking forward to Morikawa vs Oosthuizen the rest of the day.
Way too much thinking on his approach shot on 4. He needs like a 3 birdie run to close the F-9 to have any chance imo.
Koepka had some beautiful shotmaking but couldn't make a freakin' putt. He could have gotten to 11 or 12 under and really put pressure on the leaders. Instead ...
Wow what a shot by Rahm.
Omg. Advantage Morikowa.
I love watching Morikawa, and it would be great if he wins. But I always root for drama on the last couple holes, so I hope he doesn't pull away like he's threatening to do.
The kid looks like he's on cruise control. We very well could be seeing a superstar in the making. Morikawa has an unflappable quality to his game.
Wow....not Louie's day. Didn't expect this at all. Great run by Speith after the two bogeys but I just don't see Morikawa giving up a 3 shot lead.
I counted out Spieth too soon. 4 birdies in his last 6 holes, and now he's within a stroke after 14. Morikawa gets to play the (relatively) easy par-5 14th now, so we'll see if extends his lead. Fun!
Amazing stretch for Speith starting with the eagle on 7. It may be too little too late but it's great to see him back to his former self.
This is great stuff from Morikawa and Spieth. And Rahm is amazing, too
Wow....what a birdie for Morikawa on 14.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2021, 10:38:10 AM
Wow....not Louie's day. Didn't expect this at all. Great run by Speith after the two bogeys but I just don't see Morikawa giving up a 3 shot lead.
Didn't expect the guy who has had leads in 2 different majors this year and couldnt close....to not close?
Quote from: JWags85 on July 18, 2021, 11:44:19 AM
Didn't expect the guy who has had leads in 2 different majors this year and couldnt close....to not close?
Touche JWags. I just thought the guy was due.
Whoa...this just got more interesting.
28 straight holes without a bogey for Morikawa. Unflappable. Speith needs to birdie, birdie for any chance.
What a stat:
Coming into this week, Morikawa was the 124th-ranked putter on Tour ... but this week, he has been the No. 1-ranked putter in the British Open.
Given his shotmaking ability, it is a lethal combination.
Even though I am thoroughly enjoying this guy's game, a part of me is rooting for him to give a stroke or two back just so he has to do something special on 18. But he has been a cold-blooded assassin, and refuses to give anything back!
Quote from: MU82 on July 18, 2021, 11:59:33 AM
What a stat:
Coming into this week, Morikawa was the 124th-ranked putter on Tour ... but this week, he has been the No. 1-ranked putter in the British Open.
Given his shotmaking ability, it is a lethal combination.
Even though I am thoroughly enjoying this guy's game, a part of me is rooting for him to give a stroke or two back just so he has to do something special on 18. But he has been a cold-blooded assassin, and refuses to give anything back!
He's the best iron player in the world and it may not be close. When the putter is cooperating, he's a killer
Thanks NBC for showing us the hole on Speith's birdie putt on 17. Smh.
Congrats to Morikawa. Tremendous young player.
Quote from: tower912 on July 17, 2021, 05:50:24 PM
If I bet, it would be on Morikawa. But I think I am rooting for Louis.
If you are Europe, do you ever concede a putt to Spieth?
Bump
Another deserving major winner. No fluke. Morikawa won this
Quote from: tower912 on July 18, 2021, 12:14:05 PM
Bump
I'm playing
How many majors for this kid do you foresee?
Excellent win for Morikowa.
He faced down strong competition and won it. Leaderboard full of major winners.
Collin stripes his irons. When he puts well he is going to be right there in these big events.
A few. The question will be putting and super long set ups. The irons and the brain are primo.
Quote from: tower912 on July 18, 2021, 12:51:38 PM
A few. The question will be putting and super long set ups. The irons and the brain are primo.
Very good head in his shoulders . Nice acceptance speech and interview after was well done
Quote from: tower912 on July 18, 2021, 12:51:38 PM
A few. The question will be putting and super long set ups. The irons and the brain are primo.
I'll give an over/under of 5 since only Tiger and Phil have beaten that number this century.
His mental toughness makes me think he could snag 8 or more.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2021, 01:32:45 PM
His mental toughness makes me think he could snag 8 or more.
Thought the Dane of Rory, JDay, Spieth, etc.
He's an incredible player but winning majors is hard. Nonetheless, it's a great to have a player of his caliber winning them early. Going for more is fun to watch
Entering a golden age. Look forward to the Spieth, Morikawa, Koepka, JT, DJ, Bryson, Hovland, Rahm shootouts.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 18, 2021, 01:50:53 PM
Thought the Dane of Rory, JDay, Spieth, etc.
He's an incredible player but winning majors is hard. Nonetheless, it's a great to have a player of his caliber winning them early. Going for more is fun to watch
Its crazy to think how good Day was for a stretch. His back really let him down.
Also crazy to think the Spieth is on some sort of redemption/comeback tour...at 27. Just shows how unreal he was at a super young age.
Quote from: tower912 on July 18, 2021, 02:16:58 PM
Entering a golden age. Look forward to the Spieth, Morikawa, Koepka, JT, DJ, Bryson, Hovland, Rahm shootouts.
Bit too early for Hovland to be in that group IMO. But he shows promise.
Hopefully this can finally shut people up about Tiger. There are so many fun, charismatic, exciting young golfers out there right now. If you cant find a reason to watch golf now without Tiger, you never really liked golf, you just like the relentless Nike marketing of Tiger
I absolutely thought Rory would have 6, 7, 8 or more majors by now and that folks would be talking about his chances to be considered an all-time great.
That he hasn't won another in 7 full years since taking the 2014 PGA Championship -- his 4th major after having just turned 25 -- is beyond surprising to me.
And Spieth, what a roll he was on before he was 24.
So while Morikawa looks like he has everything, I'll join Rico and others in saying, "We'll see."
I agree with those who say that the next several years should be a lot of fun to follow the Tour.
I think one of Rory's problems is he seem to not have his game peaked at the majors.
Seems like since his last major win he has done well on things like the FedEx Cup tournaments , WGC and Race to Dubai events. For example he had a big year in 2019 with 4 wins including The Players but got shut out of the majors .
With the current depth of competition now it gets much harder to win a major in any given year . In the post Tiger era so many different guys have won a major it makes it so hard to close out a tournament.
The Open leaderboard today is a great example . 6 players in the top 8 have previous major wins.
How would you pair up our Ryder Cup team?
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 18, 2021, 03:44:17 PM
I think one of Rory's problems is he seem to not have his game peaked at the majors.
Perhaps, but nobody was saying this when Rory was Morikawa's age ... because he was winning majors.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 18, 2021, 03:44:17 PM
I think one of Rory's problems is he seem to not have his game peaked at the majors.
Seems like since his last major win he has done well on things like the FedEx Cup tournaments , WGC and Race to Dubai events. For example he had a big year in 2019 with 4 wins including The Players but got shut out of the majors .
Rory is a fascinating example of perception. He won 4 majors by 25 and around 2014 people were talking about him as a future legend.
Now a lot of people are like "man what happened to Rory? he fell off" cause he hasn't won a major since.
The reality? Since 2014, Rory has 13, THIRTEEN top 10 finishes in majors. He's finished out of the top 15 in the money list once in 7 years. Outside of the top 8 on the money list only twice, in 2017 and 2018. He's been a really damn good golfer, he just hasn't won a major.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 18, 2021, 08:37:47 PM
Rory is a fascinating example of perception. He won 4 majors by 25 and around 2014 people were talking about him as a future legend.
Now a lot of people are like "man what happened to Rory? he fell off" cause he hasn't won a major since.
The reality? Since 2014, Rory has 13, THIRTEEN top 10 finishes in majors. He's finished out of the top 15 in the money list once in 7 years. Outside of the top 8 on the money list only twice, in 2017 and 2018. He's been a really damn good golfer, he just hasn't won a major.
All true, Wags.
The only thing is that these guys themselves -- especially the best players -- use majors to define their golfing success, not to mention their place in history.
Same with tennis. Sure, they'll happily take wins in Florida and Spain, but the best use majors to judge everything.
Tiger and Djokovic, among others, have talked about this at length.
So yes, Rory is a hell of a golfer, and only an idiot would dispute that. But no majors in 7 years for a guy who looked like he'd win a ton of them ... I'm quite sure he's more disappointed about that than anybody.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 18, 2021, 08:37:47 PM
Rory is a fascinating example of perception. He won 4 majors by 25 and around 2014 people were talking about him as a future legend.
Now a lot of people are like "man what happened to Rory? he fell off" cause he hasn't won a major since.
The reality? Since 2014, Rory has 13, THIRTEEN top 10 finishes in majors. He's finished out of the top 15 in the money list once in 7 years. Outside of the top 8 on the money list only twice, in 2017 and 2018. He's been a really damn good golfer, he just hasn't won a major.
Yep. I have a friend who has won two majors, both the open.
He describes how many things have to go right to win a major. Heck to even make it on the tour is a fine line.
Quote from: pbiflyer on July 18, 2021, 11:57:17 PM
Yep. I have a friend who has won two majors, both the open.
He describes how many things have to go right to win a major. Heck to even make it on the tour is a fine line.
You're friends with Big Easy?
Quote from: Retire0 on July 19, 2021, 05:52:18 AM
You're friends with Big Easy?
No, though I live close to the Els Center and I do know his son's guide. So a degree away from him.
But I misspoke my friend only won it once. Came close a second time. Sorry.
Quote from: pbiflyer on July 19, 2021, 07:01:34 AM
No, though I live close to the Els Center and I do know his son's guide. So a degree away from him.
But I misspoke my friend only won it once. Came close a second time. Sorry.
Louie?! No he's had several close calls.
I'm sure ZJ is a cool guy.
Mark Calcavecchia. But have not seen him since B.C. (Before Covid).
Not sure why I always think he won two. And if it weren't for Sandy Lyle's birdie run at Augusta he would have had a green jacket to match.
Wild to think his daughter, Britney, will be turning 32 years old shortly. Where has time gone?????
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2021, 04:24:21 PM
How would you pair up our Ryder Cup team?
Spieth-JT
Morikawa-Schauffele
DJ-Cantlay
Koepka-?????
Dechambeau-Simpson
?????
DJ- Finau
Spieth-JT
Reed-Morikawa
Bryson-Phil. Seriously
Xander-Cantlay
Koepka-Simpson
I know the Bryson/Koepka feud is cute but it doesn't seem to me that the rest of the players get along that well with either of them. And we know Reed can ruffle some feathers but he's a great R-Cup player. The question is which pairings would be most effective? Morikawa and Schauffele seem like guys that can play with anyone. Finau is a cool dude as well and could probably handle the fake tough guy nonsense of Kopeka or De Charcuterie.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 19, 2021, 10:12:07 AM
I know the Bryson/Koepka feud is cute but it doesn't seem to me that the rest of the players get along that well with either of them. And we know Reed can ruffle some feathers but he's a great R-Cup player. The question is which pairings would be most effective? Morikawa and Schauffele seem like guys that can play with anyone. Finau is a cool dude as well and could probably handle the fake tough guy nonsense of Kopeka or De Charcuterie.
Is Finau playing good enough to put on the team?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 19, 2021, 10:20:30 AM
Is Finau playing good enough to put on the team?
I don't know. I thought he was on the team. Anyway, I would imagine neither of them would fk with Finau if they had a little tantrum. :)
Is Brooks that disliked on Tour? I kind of thought he kept to himself but was reasonably well-liked.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 19, 2021, 10:54:09 AM
Is Brooks that disliked on Tour? I kind of thought he kept to himself but was reasonably well-liked.
He's not. He's buddies with DJ. He's civil with all the top guys. He's not buddy buddy like Spieth and JT or the vacay crew with Fowler and stuff. And thats fine.
Honestly, I think the Bryson stuff is blown out of proportion too. He and Koepka clearly don't get along, but other than that, I don't think he's hated. People probably roll their eyes and his antics, but he's a decent dude off the course and I'm sure they are all fine. Its not like Reed.
Also, not sure where this idea of Finau being some intimidating tough guy comes from. Just cause he's Tongan? Are you mixing that with Samoan thinking he comes from some huge family of burly rugby players and brawlers? He's easy going and laid back from all accounts.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 19, 2021, 11:04:14 AM
He's not. He's buddies with DJ. He's civil with all the top guys. He's not buddy buddy like Spieth and JT or the vacay crew with Fowler and stuff. And thats fine.
Honestly, I think the Bryson stuff is blown out of proportion too. He and Koepka clearly don't get along, but other than that, I don't think he's hated. People probably roll their eyes and his antics, but he's a decent dude off the course and I'm sure they are all fine. Its not like Reed.
Also, not sure where this idea of Finau being some intimidating tough guy comes from. Just cause he's Tongan? Are you mixing that with Samoan thinking he comes from some huge family of burly rugby players and brawlers? He's easy going and laid back from all accounts.
He's very laid back but if he wanted to he could squash Kopeka or De Charcuterie. He's a big man with excellent athleticism, not steroid enhanced. I believe he could easily take then out if neccessary.
As for Brooks' likability? I don't get that impression. Tremendous player but my guess is his hubris and overall vibe annoys most of the other players. I might stick Bryson/Koepka together and tell them to both check themselves and stop acting ridiculously. It's "overblown" because Koepka is a fake tough guy and Bryon says stupid stuff constantly. Meanwhile Morikawa is kicking ass and not acting like a clown.
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Quote from: JWags85 on July 19, 2021, 11:04:14 AM
He's not. He's buddies with DJ. He's civil with all the top guys. He's not buddy buddy like Spieth and JT or the vacay crew with Fowler and stuff. And thats fine.
Honestly, I think the Bryson stuff is blown out of proportion too. He and Koepka clearly don't get along, but other than that, I don't think he's hated. People probably roll their eyes and his antics, but he's a decent dude off the course and I'm sure they are all fine. Its not like Reed.
Also, not sure where this idea of Finau being some intimidating tough guy comes from. Just cause he's Tongan? Are you mixing that with Samoan thinking he comes from some huge family of burly rugby players and brawlers? He's easy going and laid back from all accounts.
Him and DJ don't get along at all anymore
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 19, 2021, 11:20:12 AM
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Him and DJ don't get along at all anymore
That's what I thought.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 19, 2021, 11:23:24 AM
That's what I thought.
From what I've heard/read, they were never close at all but shared a trainer at one time
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 19, 2021, 11:19:25 AM
He's very laid back but if he wanted to he could squash Kopeka or De Charcuterie. He's a big man with excellent athleticism, not steroid enhanced. I believe he could easily take then out if neccessary.
You're just making stuff up. And Finau weighs less than both of them. Kopeka and Bryson are both 6'-6'1. Finau is 6'3-6'4. He's not some hulking behemoth compared to them. And no idea what "steroid enhanced" has to do with anything. I'm sure roided up NFL players are easily bested by smaller, all natural people ::)
You like Finau. You don't like Brooks or Bryson, thus you've created some bizarre my dad could beat up your dad fantasy.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 19, 2021, 11:24:42 AM
From what I've heard/read, they were never close at all but shared a trainer at one time
Yup. We have two great players but because of various reasons it's tough to figure out who to pair them with at the R-Cup. Again, I would think about pairing them together and telling them to cut the crap and man up.
If I were going to go with a stereotype on Finau, its that he's Mormon so has a very positive attitude and gets along with everyone so would be a good influence on a moody player.
Maybe I'm overlooking the team chemistry aspect of this and that's why the Euros perform well in the Ryder Cup. But it's not like you're asking these guys to live together for a few months. It's a business. They can put differences aside for a round or two.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 19, 2021, 11:26:24 AM
You're just making stuff up. And Finau weighs less than both of them. Kopeka and Bryson are both 6'-6'1. Finau is 6'3-6'4. He's not some hulking behemoth compared to them. And no idea what "steroid enhanced" has to do with anything. I'm sure roided up NFL players are easily bested by smaller, all natural people ::)
You like Finau. You don't like Brooks or Bryson, thus you've created some bizarre my dad could beat up your dad fantasy.
That's part of it, I do like Finau. He's a cool dude. But I still think he could take them out if of he had to and I don't think my conclusion is based in fantasy. I think you're underestimating his natural strength and power. And that's fair, I do not like Kopeka or Bryson other than Ryder Cup time. That's why they need to get their act together. :)
Reed and Finau have no business being captain's picks.
Locks
Morikawa
DJ
Bryson
Brooks
JT
Xander
Spieth
Harris
Stricker Picks
Zalatoris (if heathly)
Scheffler
Berger
Simpson (babysitter)
Quote from: Retire0 on July 19, 2021, 01:43:55 PM
Reed and Finau have no business being captain's picks.
Locks
Morikawa
DJ
Bryson
Brooks
JT
Xander
Spieth
Harris
Stricker Picks
Zalatoris (if heathly)
Scheffler
Berger
Simpson (babysitter)
I would think Reed is a lock based on his former performances. Harris English is certainly not a lock but may be a better pick than Finau....I dunno.
Quote from: Retire0 on July 19, 2021, 01:43:55 PM
Reed and Finau have no business being captain's picks.
Locks
Morikawa
DJ
Bryson
Brooks
JT
Xander
Spieth
Harris
Stricker Picks
Zalatoris (if heathly)
Scheffler
Berger
Simpson (babysitter)
What? Reed is basically even with Scheffler and Berger in the FedEx Cup standings, is ranked higher than Zalatoris in every ranking, and while he's a jackass, he's a stone cold killer in singles play. Reed is 7 wins, 3 losses, and 2 halves in his Ryder Cup career and 2 of those losses were in a bad pairing with him and Tiger in 2018. He's a super logical Captains pick especially over someone like Scheffler who hasn't won anything.
Quote from: Retire0 on July 19, 2021, 01:43:55 PM
Reed and Finau have no business being captain's picks.
Locks
Morikawa
DJ
Bryson
Brooks
JT
Xander
Spieth
Harris
Stricker Picks
Zalatoris (if heathly)
Scheffler
Berger
Simpson (babysitter)
Zalatoris putter 😬
Quote from: JWags85 on July 19, 2021, 02:25:52 PM
What? Reed is basically even with Scheffler and Berger in the FedEx Cup standings, is ranked higher than Zalatoris in every ranking, and while he's a jackass, he's a stone cold killer in singles play. Reed is 7 wins, 3 losses, and 2 halves in his Ryder Cup career and 2 of those losses were in a bad pairing with him and Tiger in 2018. He's a super logical Captains pick especially over someone like Scheffler who hasn't won anything.
Multiple times caught cheating, brother-in-law punches a fan during the last international team event and his wife's Twitter account. Do the rest of the Americans a favor and leave him home if he doesn't qualify on points.
Anyone using FedEx Cup points as a measuring stick, tough scene. Harris English and Scottie Scheffler have played better golf in majors this year than locks like DJ and Bryson.
I'm sure they'll throw the same guys out there and hope the course setup brings them a win. Euros will be a more interesting and likable team.
Quote from: Retire0 on July 19, 2021, 04:00:01 PM
Multiple times caught cheating, brother-in-law punches a fan during the last international team event and his wife's Twitter account. Do the rest of the Americans a favor and leave him home if he doesn't qualify on points.
Anyone using FedEx Cup points as a measuring stick, tough scene. Harris English and Scottie Scheffler have played better golf in majors this year than locks like DJ and Bryson.
I'm sure they'll throw the same guys out there and hope the course setup brings them a win. Euros will be a more interesting and likable team.
None of that diminishes from the fact that he's been a stud in team golf. Who gives a rip about his wife's Twitter.
And English has finished behind Bryson at the PGA and The British and was trailing him at the US Open until Bryson blew up on the back 9. Bryson also significantly outperformed him last year in the big tournaments.
And sure, DJ played bad at the PGA and the Masters, but he has a win and 5 top 10s in the last 3 years of Majors, 3 of those top 10s are runners up. Sure, write him off over English who was never in contention at the US Open regardless of final score and who didn't finish in the top 20 of the other 4 majors.
Track record of performance is more important for me at the Ryder Cup in deciding team members over someone who has only played well this year. No mention of no shows at the Players (the 5th major) by Scheffler and English not even playing it (though he hadnt made a cut there in over 5 years)?
Quote from: Retire0 on July 19, 2021, 04:00:01 PM
Multiple times caught cheating, brother-in-law punches a fan during the last international team event and his wife's Twitter account. Do the rest of the Americans a favor and leave him home if he doesn't qualify on points.
Anyone using FedEx Cup points as a measuring stick, tough scene. Harris English and Scottie Scheffler have played better golf in majors this year than locks like DJ and Bryson.
I'm sure they'll throw the same guys out there and hope the course setup brings them a win. Euros will be a more interesting and likable team.
This is a competition, not a popularity contest. What Reed's BIL does or what his wife posts on Twitter are irrelevant. Multiple times caught cheating? He was cleared re the only incident I know of as a professional.
Like the Europeans more? Go ahead and root for them. Free country.
I said DJ and Bryson were locks.
When Justine becomes a storyline she is an issue, bet it happens again.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 19, 2021, 04:33:45 PM
This is a competition, not a popularity contest. What Reed's BIL does or what his wife posts on Twitter are irrelevant. Multiple times caught cheating? He was cleared re the only incident I know of as a professional.
Like the Europeans more? Go ahead and root for them. Free country.
A caddy punching a fan isn't an issue?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 19, 2021, 04:33:45 PM
This is a competition, not a popularity contest. What Reed's BIL does or what his wife posts on Twitter are irrelevant. Multiple times caught cheating? He was cleared re the only incident I know of as a professional.
Like the Europeans more? Go ahead and root for them. Free country.
I'd put Reed on the team but he brings a lot of negative attention to the captain and team. If you think the team can either rally around that or ignore the noise, fine. And he's a known cheater going back to his college days
I'd put Scheffler on the team over Finau at the moment. What's the difference between the two? I like Berger, too, because he's a red ass. Harris English is 10th in the world. He's a lock for this team
Here's how Data Golf sees 2021 results overall. I'm not sure the exact formula but it's a respected model
https://datagolf.com/datagolf-rankings
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 19, 2021, 04:53:50 PM
I'd put Reed on the team but he brings a lot of negative attention to the captain and team. If you think the team can either rally around that or ignore the noise, fine. And he's a known cheater going back to his college days
I'd put Scheffler on the team over Finau at the moment. What's the difference between the two? I like Berger, too, because he's a red ass. Harris English is 10th in the world. He's a lock for this team
With all due respect Uncle R, Harris English being 10th in the world doesn't make him a lock for this team. And regardless of Reed's issues, he has been excellent in both the RC and PC. Reed is way closer to a lock than English and frankly I don't even think it's debatable.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 19, 2021, 05:03:35 PM
With all due respect Uncle R, Harris English being 10th in the world doesn't make him a lock for this team. And regardless of Reed's issues, he has been excellent in both the RC and PC. Reed is way closer to a lock than English and frankly I don't even think it's debatable.
Harris English has 2 wins, one in January and one in June and finished 3rd at the US Open. He's legit been one of the top golfers in the world since the return to golf last summer.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 19, 2021, 05:07:52 PM
Harris English has 2 wins, one in January and one in June and finished 3rd at the US Open. He's legit been one of the top golfers in the world since the return to golf last summer.
I just think Reed's past success in this format can't be overlooked. I would be shocked if Harris was chosen in lieu of Reed despite the fact that he's been the better player this season.
Wow.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 19, 2021, 05:52:34 PM
I just think Reed's past success in this format can't be overlooked. I would be shocked if Harris was chosen in lieu of Reed despite the fact that he's been the better player this season.
Reed's also been on two losing teams, bombed in Paris and was bad in Australia in 2019. And he ain't playing with Spieth anymore
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 19, 2021, 06:10:51 PM
Reed's also been on two losing teams, bombed in Paris and was bad in Australia in 2019. And he ain't playing with Spieth anymore
Stricker will also have to juggle the team room and figure out who will go out with the guy during this team competition.
The team competition that lesser talent finds a way of becoming a team and defeats the US.
Quote from: Retire0 on July 19, 2021, 06:12:38 PM
Stricker will also have to juggle the team room and figure out who will go out with the guy during this team competition.
The team competition that lesser talent finds a way of becoming a team and defeats the US.
I'm sure some dudes would step up and play with Reed, even if they don't want to. But like you say, it's a potentially bad dynamic. Then again, most of team Europe hated one another in the 80's and that didn't stop them
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 19, 2021, 06:26:01 PM
I'm sure some dudes would step up and play with Reed, even if they don't want to. But like you say, it's a potentially bad dynamic. Then again, most of team Europe hated one another in the 80's and that didn't stop them
It happened in France. Jordan didn't want anything to do with Team Reed. Justine tweeted, made it a big deal.
Tiger takes one for the team and they drop two points. Then Tiger "apologized to Reed" for letting him down.
Reed then torches everyone to the press after France.
Leave his ass home.
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I take it all back after this beauty. Just put them together and let it ride.
They can play 4-ball and sit alternate shot.
Quote from: Retire0 on July 19, 2021, 06:51:20 PM
It happened in France. Jordan didn't want anything to do with Team Reed. Justine tweeted, made it a big deal.
Tiger takes one for the team and they drop two points. Then Tiger "apologized to Reed" for letting him down.
Reed then torches everyone to the press after France.
Leave his ass home.
Clearly he's not the most well liked human being.