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A conundrum - the home town squad takes on a foe with a prominent MU player.

Quote from: mileskishnish72 on July 06, 2021, 05:37:18 PM
A conundrum - the home town squad takes on a foe with a prominent MU player.

Since Jae never made a Final 4 nor play for Al McGuire, this is easy.  I took the Bucks

As stated in the NBA thread ... rooting for the Bucks, picking the Suns.

Frank Kaminski plays for the Suns. As does CP3. Even if I wasn't a Bucks fan, that's a no for me.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 06, 2021, 05:41:06 PM
Since Jae never made a Final 4 nor play for Al McGuire, this is easy.  I took the Bucks

BE POY doesn't get him any cred?

I am pretty consistent, will root for what is best for MU. So I go with the MU Alum. Especially one starting and playing a prominent role the way Jae is.

If the Bucks win it's good for MU as well. Playing in the same arena and close ties to the NBA champions can only help. .

So overall a win win situation no matter what happens

Quote from: mileskishnish72 on July 06, 2021, 08:04:41 PM
BE POY doesn't get him any cred?

Nice player but no Final 4. 

I didn't know who I would be rooting for until I started watching.    Turns out to be Phoenix.   


But that could change.   Not really feeling committed

I lived in Phoenix for several years and most of my family is still there. The Suns were the first NBA team I ever really followed. So this was easy for me. The fact that Jae is on the team is gravy.

Quote from: StillAWarrior on July 06, 2021, 09:29:44 PM
I lived in Phoenix for several years and most of my family is still there. The Suns were the first NBA team I ever really followed. So this was easy for me. The fact that Jae is on the team is gravy.

When you lived in Phoenix, SAW, which Suns era was it?

Quote from: MU82 on July 06, 2021, 09:40:56 PM
When you lived in Phoenix, SAW, which Suns era was it?

Chambers, KJ, Majerle, Cotton. I followed them when I lived there in the late 80s and through the Barkley years. The Cavs weren't a very compelling replacement my first dozen or so years here. So, I still would consider myself a Suns fan...but second to the Cavs. Kind of have the same situation with the Broncos and the Browns.

I'm a Bulls fan so this is easy - Jae all the way.

Oops thought it was who do I think wins.

Rooting: bucks (lived there for 5yrs how can you not?)

Think will win: Phoenix because the bucks are coached terribly

Quote from: StillAWarrior on July 06, 2021, 09:48:08 PM
Chambers, KJ, Majerle, Cotton. I followed them when I lived there in the late 80s and through the Barkley years. The Cavs weren't a very compelling replacement my first dozen or so years here. So, I still would consider myself a Suns fan...but second to the Cavs. Kind of have the same situation with the Broncos and the Browns.

Those were some fun teams. KJ was a hell of a point guard; would have excelled in any era. And Chambers would have been the perfect big today.

Quote from: MU82 on July 06, 2021, 10:08:09 PM
Those were some fun teams. KJ was a hell of a point guard; would have excelled in any era. And Chambers would have been the perfect big today.

They really were a fun team - perfect for someone who hadn't really followed an NBA team before. Great personalities and an entertaining style of play.

Under any other circumstance, would definitely be pulling for the Bucks, especially since Chris Paul plays for Phoenix.

But...gotta cheer for Abdel Nader, hope he gets a ring.

Quote from: Galway Eagle on July 06, 2021, 09:56:52 PM
Oops thought it was who do I think wins.

Rooting: bucks (lived there for 5yrs how can you not?)

Think will win: Phoenix because the bucks are coached terribly

I think the talk surrounding Bud is getting way too extreme. Is he an elite coach? No. But he won big in Atlanta with a good but not great roster. And he's won in Milwaukee every year.

The Suns definitely have a coaching advantage but he hasn't really been outcoached in any of the first three rounds. ECF games 5 and 6 after Giannis went down he had the team playing really well.

Quote from: BM1090 on July 07, 2021, 04:15:10 PM
I think the talk surrounding Bud is getting way too extreme. Is he an elite coach? No. But he won big in Atlanta with a good but not great roster. And he's won in Milwaukee every year.

The Suns definitely have a coaching advantage but he hasn't really been outcoached in any of the first three rounds. ECF games 5 and 6 after Giannis went down he had the team playing really well.

After watching the Miami and Toronto series maybe he finally learned a lesson but that was horrific coaching in both. It literally was keep running giannis into a trap in the lane and then be confused why it's not working.

Quote from: Galway Eagle on July 07, 2021, 04:41:21 PM
After watching the Miami and Toronto series maybe he finally learned a lesson but that was horrific coaching in both. It literally was keep running giannis into a trap in the lane and then be confused why it's not working.

Last year he was terrible, for sure. In 2019 he was good against Boston in the ECSF but once Toronto adjusted he had no answer. This year he's been largely fine but Monty Williams is likely going to coach circles around him.

He's not the best but he's not Jason Kidd either. Probably somewhere in the 10-15 range of current NBA coaches, in my opinion.

Quote from: BM1090 on July 07, 2021, 04:45:46 PM
Last year he was terrible, for sure. In 2019 he was good against Boston in the ECSF but once Toronto adjusted he had no answer. This year he's been largely fine but Monty Williams is likely going to coach circles around him.

He's not the best but he's not Jason Kidd either. Probably somewhere in the 10-15 range of current NBA coaches, in my opinion.

But thats a valid complaint then.  I also definitely weight performance with inferior rosters differently.  Some coaches are fantastic with younger or less talented teams, but they don't do well as the favorites or stacked teams, especially in the playoffs.  Its seeming like Brad Stevens was one.  Bud looks to be one.  I think Doc may be one (Big 3 title excluded).

Doesn't mean they are a total bum, but it can absolutely mean they aren't the answer and are holding a potential championship caliber team back.

Quote from: JWags85 on July 07, 2021, 05:00:30 PM
But thats a valid complaint then.  I also definitely weight performance with inferior rosters differently.  Some coaches are fantastic with younger or less talented teams, but they don't do well as the favorites or stacked teams, especially in the playoffs.  Its seeming like Brad Stevens was one.  Bud looks to be one.  I think Doc may be one (Big 3 title excluded).

Doesn't mean they are a total bum, but it can absolutely mean they aren't the answer and are holding a potential championship caliber team back.

We agree. I was responding to Bud being called "terrible" which he certainly is not. Is he good enough to win the title this year? I'd lean no, but we'll know in the next two weeks. He's a viable NBA coach who struggles at times in the playoffs.