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Title: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: MuggsyB on May 28, 2021, 09:26:49 PM
I'm not sure it's the best but the first 45 mins of Full Metal Jacket is rather intense.  Kubrick was probably a genius.
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: Judge Smails on May 28, 2021, 09:28:52 PM
Agree Full Metal Jacket is the best. Apocalypse Now a close second. Platoon third.
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: MuggsyB on May 28, 2021, 09:42:24 PM
Quote from: Judge Smails on May 28, 2021, 09:28:52 PM
Agree Full Metal Jacket is the best. Apocalypse Now a close second. Platoon third.

The Deer Hunter?
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: MuggsyB on May 28, 2021, 09:48:50 PM
Best Kubrick Film?

Dr. Strangelove?

A Clockwork Orange?

The Shining?

I think I'd probably go A-Clock-O. 
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: Pakuni on May 28, 2021, 09:56:17 PM
Quote from: MuggsyB on May 28, 2021, 09:48:50 PM
Best Kubrick Film?

Dr. Strangelove?

A Clockwork Orange?

The Shining?

I think I'd probably go A-Clock-O.

Paths of Glory, but they're (almost) all great.
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: reinko on May 28, 2021, 10:07:53 PM
Don't laugh, but the first Rambo is great Vietnam movie and pretty good all around movie too.
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: MuggsyB on May 28, 2021, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: reinko on May 28, 2021, 10:07:53 PM
Don't laugh, but the first Rambo is great Vietnam movie and pretty good all around movie too.

I agree. 
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 29, 2021, 05:52:40 AM
Apocalypse Now by a country mile for me
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: MU82 on May 29, 2021, 06:37:33 AM
I remember that after I watched The Deer Hunter, I thought at the time it was the best movie I had ever seen. To this day, I haven't seen many things more intense in a movie than the Russian Roulette scene. Deer Hunter, Apocalypse Now and Platoon would have to be 1-2-3 in some order.

But if we're talking about the Vietnam War movie I "enjoyed" the most, it would have to be Good Morning, Vietnam, with Robin Williams at the height of his career.
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: MuggsyB on May 29, 2021, 11:38:47 AM
Best War Film?

I recently saw Glory for the first time in awhile.  Excellent film.  I'm not including documentaries.  That World at War 10 part doc is absolutely phenomenal.  Patton?
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 29, 2021, 08:19:01 PM
Quote from: MuggsyB on May 29, 2021, 11:38:47 AM
Best War Film?
Inglorious Basterds is my favorite,  not sure if best, but favorite
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: MU82 on May 30, 2021, 08:42:08 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on May 29, 2021, 08:19:01 PM
Inglorious Basterds is my favorite,  not sure if best, but favorite

Good call. I LOVED that movie, and thought it should have won the Oscar that year. I didn't expect it to be as funny as it was, while also being great story-telling and wonderfully acted.
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: Pakuni on May 30, 2021, 08:49:29 AM
Quote from: MuggsyB on May 29, 2021, 11:38:47 AM
Best War Film?

I recently saw Glory for the first time in awhile.  Excellent film.  I'm not including documentaries.  That World at War 10 part doc is absolutely phenomenal.  Patton?

Does Tropic Thunder count?
If not, the aforementioned Paths of Glory.
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: MuggsyB on May 30, 2021, 10:11:09 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on May 29, 2021, 08:19:01 PM
Inglorious Basterds is my favorite,  not sure if best, but favorite

Inglorious Basterds is excellent.  "Dammit Hirshburg".  I think Tarantino is only making one more film. 
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 30, 2021, 01:26:10 PM
I've seen two Vietnam related films in the last month.  Both are recent movies and I enjoyed and recommend.

The Last Full Measure - Based on a true story (an A. Lincoln quote)

Last Flag Flying - Based on a novel and ties in Vietnam to the invasion of Iraq.
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: real chili 83 on May 31, 2021, 07:40:47 AM
Watched Green Berets yesterday. The Duke playing himself.
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: Silent Verbal on May 31, 2021, 07:56:59 AM
Quote from: real chili 83 on May 31, 2021, 07:40:47 AM
Watched Green Berets yesterday. The Duke playing himself.

Never seen it, but have always wanted to as a curiosity.  Isn't it the only pro-Vietnam War movie ever made?
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: real chili 83 on May 31, 2021, 09:53:06 AM
It might be.

Lots of good one-liners. The scene with Puff is 100% Hollywood.
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: CTWarrior on June 01, 2021, 02:13:33 PM
Quote from: MuggsyB on May 30, 2021, 10:11:09 AM
Inglorious Basterds is excellent.  "Dammit Hirshburg".  I think Tarantino is only making one more film.
The first scene with Landa interrogating the French farmer is bone-chilling and one of the best scenes ever filmed, IMO.  The rest of it is fantastic, too.  Pulp Fiction is tremendous, but I think Inglorious Basterds is Tarantino's best.
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: CTWarrior on June 01, 2021, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: MU82 on May 29, 2021, 06:37:33 AM
Deer Hunter, Apocalypse Now and Platoon would have to be 1-2-3 in some order.

I essentially agree with this list with regards to Vietnam war movies.  It is funny, war movies are often uplifting with a happy ending (a group of misfits come together to blow up a bridge or something), but the Vietnam war movies never seem to be.  As a result, they don't do much for me, compared to other war movies.
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: CTWarrior on June 01, 2021, 02:21:55 PM
Quote from: Judge Smails on May 28, 2021, 09:28:52 PM
Agree Full Metal Jacket is the best. Apocalypse Now a close second. Platoon third.
Full Metal Jacket is half a great movie.  If I come across it on TV, I don't watch after basic training is over.
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: CTWarrior on June 01, 2021, 02:29:12 PM
Quote from: MuggsyB on May 29, 2021, 11:38:47 AM
Best War Film?

I recently saw Glory for the first time in awhile.  Excellent film.  I'm not including documentaries.  That World at War 10 part doc is absolutely phenomenal.  Patton?
The Bridge over the River Kwai is a favorite of mine.
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: Coleman on June 01, 2021, 03:12:07 PM
Full Metal Jacket is fine.

But the answer to this is Apocalpyse Now and it isn't even close.
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on June 01, 2021, 03:25:21 PM
Quote from: CTWarrior on June 01, 2021, 02:21:55 PM
Full Metal Jacket is half a great movie.  If I come across it on TV, I don't watch after basic training is over.

Same here
Quote from: Coleman on June 01, 2021, 03:12:07 PM
Full Metal Jacket is fine.

But the answer to this is Apocalpyse Now and it isn't even close.

meh, gets boring AF after they reach Kurtz's outpost, should have been about an hour shorter IMO
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: Billy Hoyle on June 01, 2021, 04:18:27 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on May 30, 2021, 08:49:29 AM
Does Tropic Thunder count?


If Die Hard is a Christmas movie then yes, it counts.
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: HouWarrior on June 01, 2021, 04:59:27 PM
Quote from: CTWarrior on June 01, 2021, 02:20:03 PM
I essentially agree with this list with regards to Vietnam war movies.  It is funny, war movies are often uplifting with a happy ending (a group of misfits come together to blow up a bridge or something), but the Vietnam war movies never seem to be.  As a result, they don't do much for me, compared to other war movies.
Movies tend to parallel the conflict. WW2 had line to line combat, winners and losers and highly defined good guy/bad guy propaganda positions. Good ground for the movies you like.

Korea was well....just confusing and deeply inconclusive. Hardly a single movie made about it.

Vietnam was guerilla hit and run style, protracted, highly polarizing and very politically divisive. Most movies of this war arent just war action pics and many dealt with the soldier left behind, those coming home or the many post service traumas. Not up lifting, but still important in our efforts to understand war.

Not until the mideast conflicts (Afganistan, Iraq) of more recent times have moviemakers tackled what its like for the soldiers in action in a confusing ongoing insurrection and ill defined mission. They clarify what Vietnam flicks (ex. Hamburger Hill/Deer Hunter) hinted at....you fight for your buddies and unit first and "country/USA" is for those back home.

Currently "Enjoyable" conflict movies have shifted to the realm of the apocalyptic, end times, zombie, comic book etc to spin the more predictable positive outcome stories that WW2 used to give us.

Real war just got too complicated for  the "good" war movies you've liked
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: CTWarrior on June 02, 2021, 10:47:56 AM
Quote from: houwarrior on June 01, 2021, 04:59:27 PM
Movies tend to parallel the conflict. WW2 had line to line combat, winners and losers and highly defined good guy/bad guy propaganda positions. Good ground for the movies you like.

Korea was well....just confusing and deeply inconclusive. Hardly a single movie made about it.

Vietnam was guerilla hit and run style, protracted, highly polarizing and very politically divisive. Most movies of this war arent just war action pics and many dealt with the soldier left behind, those coming home or the many post service traumas. Not up lifting, but still important in our efforts to understand war.

Not until the mideast conflicts (Afganistan, Iraq) of more recent times have moviemakers tackled what its like for the soldiers in action in a confusing ongoing insurrection and ill defined mission. They clarify what Vietnam flicks (ex. Hamburger Hill/Deer Hunter) hinted at....you fight for your buddies and unit first and "country/USA" is for those back home.

Currently "Enjoyable" conflict movies have shifted to the realm of the apocalyptic, end times, zombie, comic book etc to spin the more predictable positive outcome stories that WW2 used to give us.

Real war just got too complicated for  the "good" war movies you've liked
Very well said. 
Title: Re: Best Vietnam Film?
Post by: MU82 on June 02, 2021, 06:40:50 PM
I thought 1917 was a very good movie about a subject that is under-covered, WWI. It was nominated for the Oscar, and I thought it was a worthy contender.

It was not gratuitously gory, but obviously it showed the horrors of war. It was well-acted (including the guy who played GOT's Tommen). It was good story-telling.
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