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Title: [Cracked Sidewalks] The Four Factors & Winning Teams
Post by: brewcity77 on March 28, 2021, 10:54:17 AM
Why do the statheads put so much emphasis on numbers in basketball? Because there are very clear lines between certain numbers and winning. Cracked Sidewalks breaks down some of those relationships today:

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2021/03/the-four-factors-and-winning-teams.html?m=1
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] The Four Factors & Winning Teams
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 28, 2021, 03:31:12 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 28, 2021, 10:54:17 AM
Why do the statheads put so much emphasis on numbers in basketball? Because there are very clear lines between certain numbers and winning. Cracked Sidewalks breaks down some of those relationships today:

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2021/03/the-four-factors-and-winning-teams.html?m=1

Can we see the Efg% of the Pac 12 teams prior to the tournament starting?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] The Four Factors & Winning Teams
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 28, 2021, 03:47:31 PM
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 28, 2021, 03:31:12 PM
Can we see the Efg% of the Pac 12 teams prior to the tournament starting?

Oregon was 25th, USC was 60th,
UCLA was 79th and Oregon State was 222nd.  Those are on offense

Oregon was 47th, USC was 7th, UCLA was 183rd and Oregon State was 120th


Of course, the crux of the article was team winning the efg%, win 85% of the time

Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] The Four Factors & Winning Teams
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 28, 2021, 03:56:46 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 28, 2021, 03:47:31 PM
Oregon was 25th, USC was 60th,
UCLA was 79th and Oregon State was 222nd.  Those are on offense

Oregon was 47th, USC was 7th, UCLA was 183rd and Oregon State was 120th

Thanks

This is why I don't like using Efg% to compare two teams that aren't from the same conference.  It can be misleading, doesn't account for having a clutch shotmaker/shot creator on the floor, doesn't adjust accurately for a team trending upward or downward, fails to take size advantages/disadvantages into consideration, etc. 

It missed the boat on the PAC 12 in the tourney this year, big time.  It's relied on too heavily.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] The Four Factors & Winning Teams
Post by: brewcity77 on March 28, 2021, 04:03:11 PM
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 28, 2021, 03:56:46 PM
Thanks

This is why I don't like using Efg% to compare two teams that aren't from the same conference.  It can be misleading, doesn't account for having a clutch shotmaker/shot creator on the floor, doesn't adjust accurately for a team trending upward or downward, fails to take size advantages/disadvantages into consideration, etc. 

It missed the boat on the PAC 12 in the tourney this year, big time.  It's relied on too heavily.

This makes no sense.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] The Four Factors & Winning Teams
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 28, 2021, 04:05:02 PM
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 28, 2021, 03:56:46 PM
Thanks

This is why I don't like using Efg% to compare two teams that aren't from the same conference.  It can be misleading, doesn't account for having a clutch shotmaker/shot creator on the floor, doesn't adjust accurately for a team trending upward or downward, fails to take size advantages/disadvantages into consideration, etc. 

It missed the boat on the PAC 12 in the tourney this year, big time.  It's relied on too heavily.

That's not what the article says at all
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] The Four Factors & Winning Teams
Post by: kclem on March 28, 2021, 09:28:21 PM
The UCLA win over Alabama must have been an outlier. The only factor that UCLA won was TO.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] The Four Factors & Winning Teams
Post by: brewcity77 on March 28, 2021, 09:41:45 PM
Quote from: kclem on March 28, 2021, 09:28:21 PM
The UCLA win over Alabama must have been an outlier. The only factor that UCLA won was TO.

Definitely was. Alabama (11/25) had the worst FT% by a tourney team since the 2003 National Championship (minimum 25 attempts) when Kansas went 12/30 in losing to Syracuse.
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