MUScoop
MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: rgoode57 on March 24, 2021, 05:48:24 PM
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Gates and Smith might be very good hires for MU. Shaka Smart might even be a good hire. But Porter Moser is the obvious choice and IO would be willing to bet that he is the eventual hire simply for one reason - he is the safest choice.
If MU hires Gates or Smith and it does not work out, the AD is open to a lot of criticism- i.e. You hired a guy from Cleveland State and look what happened. Or, you hired a guy from Utah State and look what happened.
A Shaka Smart hire is also risky - i.e. You hired a guy who stiffed you once before and it did not work out.
On the other hand, no one can fault the AD for hiring Porter Moser despite the outcome. Given his success at Loyola, his overall experience, and his familiarity with Jesuit schools, he is a very safe hire - not to mention his overall attractiveness to other schools also looking for a coach. Even if the hire turns out to be disappointing four years from now, no one can fault the AD's decision to hire him. You are naive if you don't think ADs take these things into consideration.
And that, in a nutshell, is why Moser is going to be the next MU coach - assuming he wants the job and contract terms can be worked out.
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Oh good, the other Moser thread was getting too long.
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So, the primary factor in hiring a coach is the amount of sh!t the AD will get if it doesn't work out?
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Probably not, but it is a factor - especially when the safe choice is also a good choice.
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So, the primary factor in hiring a coach is the amount of sh!t the AD will get if it doesn't work out?
Especially when he will retire and pass it on to Broeker to clean up.
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Loyola’s Porter Moser — how long will he stay, anyway? — is entering Brad Stevens territory
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/3/23/22347245/loyola-porter-moser-how-long-will-he-stay-brad-stevens-butler-indiana-marquette
Moser loves Loyola. It doesn’t mean he couldn’t be happy somewhere else. And wealthier. And not in a one-bid league like the Missouri Valley often is.
In a Monday appearance on Jim Rome’s radio show, Moser was asked essentially if he can build the sort of sustained, high-end success every coach wants right where he is or if he might have to go elsewhere to take his biggest shot.
“I think there’s a little bit of both,” he said. “I feel I can do it right where we are, but it doesn’t mean that I’ll never leave. …
“I am totally entrenched in this. I ask 110% of my players, and they’re getting 110% of Porter Moser. But [speculation] has been going crazy. But that means we’re doing well.”
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Non-denials are something. But that also doesn't mean he's thinking about Marquette.
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Non-denials are something. But that also doesn't mean he's thinking about Marquette.
And why would he be? He's already done at Loyola what the best coaches not named Al McGuire have done at Marquette. I want him but this year is proof that he doesn't need a program like us that aims for S16 and the rare FF appearances. He's locked into that now. So I don't think MU is the dream job for him and he doesn't come unless he's offered a ton of $.
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I don't think obvious and safe are synonyms for best.
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And why would he be? He's already done at Loyola what the best coaches not named Al McGuire have done at Marquette. I want him but this year is proof that he doesn't need a program like us that aims for S16 and the rare FF appearances. He's locked into that now. So I don't think MU is the dream job for him and he doesn't come unless he's offered a ton of $.
He's locked into what exactly? This is 2nd appearance in the Dance at Loyola. I want him as the coach as well but the guy isn't John Wooden.
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And why would he be? He's already done at Loyola what the best coaches not named Al McGuire have done at Marquette. I want him but this year is proof that he doesn't need a program like us that aims for S16 and the rare FF appearances. He's locked into that now. So I don't think MU is the dream job for him and he doesn't come unless he's offered a ton of $.
Maybe the second run locks him into Loyola...or maybe it convinces him that he could go even further at a school with greater resources. Only he knows.
And you can get rid of the 'unless' in the last sentence. He will be offered a ton of $$$ by some school very soon.
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And why would he be? He's already done at Loyola what the best coaches not named Al McGuire have done at Marquette. I want him but this year is proof that he doesn't need a program like us that aims for S16 and the rare FF appearances. He's locked into that now. So I don't think MU is the dream job for him and he doesn't come unless he's offered a ton of $.
I think a ton of $ is relatively low on Moser's needs.
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Needs sure, but who wants to work for less than their value? MU isn't some magical job he'd be lucky to have and should be willing to sacrifice for, there's anywhere from 15-35 equivalent or better jobs depending on your point of view. He's not going to give us some hometown discount. If he makes it out of this weekend, anything below 3M/year would be a steal. It's not my money, but he'd be the most sought after candidate since Stevens.
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I think a ton of $ is relatively low on Moser's needs.
My gut is.....Knowing Majerus and if Moser has the same mindset.....Money is probably about 4th on his list.....Important but 4th......Family.....Religon.....Opportunity/School.....Money.....
I would suspect in that order.....
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Moser could be loyal to Sister J?
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My gut is.....Knowing Majerus and if Moser has the same mindset.....Money is probably about 4th on his list.....Important but 4th......Family.....Religon.....Opportunity/School.....Money.....
I would suspect in that order.....
I'm coming more from the angle that Moser is independently wealthy outside the game of basketball.
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I'm coming more from the angle that Moser is independently wealthy outside the game of basketball.
What's your gut telling you Brewcity? Thx.
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What's your gut telling you Brewcity? Thx.
Feels like a 3-horse race and I'd be happy with any of the three. The longer it goes, the more that favors the one still playing. Though I doubt any of that is revelatory.
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Feels like a 3-horse race and I'd be happy with any of the three. The longer it goes, the more that favors the one still playing. Though I doubt any of that is revelatory.
Who is your 4th horse? Shaka or Smith?
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Who is your 4th horse? Shaka or Smith?
Not Shaka
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Feels like a 3-horse race and I'd be happy with any of the three. The longer it goes, the more that favors the one still playing. Though I doubt any of that is revelatory.
Alright. Do you foresee a wild card that we haven't really heard about? I'm of the opinion that unless we completely strike out we will get a very formidable coach and the culture/identity will change. Not just infinitely better than our past coach, but someone who will take us back to tier 1 status and relatively quickly. Some will say this is an emotional Blue/Gold goggles response but I vehemently disagree.
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My gut is.....Knowing Majerus and if Moser has the same mindset.....Money is probably about 4th on his list.....Important but 4th......Family.....Religon.....Opportunity/School.....Money.....
I would suspect in that order.....
It's easy to say money is 4th when the payday is in the millions.
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Alright. Do you foresee a wild card that we haven't really heard about? I'm of the opinion that unless we completely strike out we will get a very formidable coach and the culture/identity will change. Not just infinitely better than our past coach, but someone who will take us back to tier 1 status and relatively quickly. Some will say this is an emotional Blue/Gold goggles response but I vehemently disagree.
I don't, but that's why they're wildcards, right?
I do believe we will be making a significant upgrade, regardless. Look at the Big East rosters right now and the opportunity is definitely there to ascend quickly. The question will be who can quickly build a roster with what's out there.
Also, don't get attached to anyone on the roster now. This isn't a locally built roster and Wojo kept everyone in 2014-15 and we all know how that turned out.
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I don't, but that's why they're wildcards, right?
I do believe we will be making a significant upgrade, regardless. Look at the Big East rosters right now and the opportunity is definitely there to ascend quickly. The question will be who can quickly build a roster with what's out there.
Also, don't get attached to anyone on the roster now. This isn't a locally built roster and Wojo kept everyone in 2014-15 and we all know how that turned out.
I think you're spot-on here. Obviously 2021-22 will likely be a transition year but if we get some of these aforementioned coaches I see no reason why we cannot put together a competitive roster fairly quickly. The honest truth is that we never really had a comprehensive roster plan under the former staff as far as I could tell. I think we're already ascending (although I don't know yet to what degree) if you know what I mean. I've felt much, much, better about things after listening to Scholl.
I don't, but that's why they're wildcards, right?
I do believe we will be making a significant upgrade, regardless. Look at the Big East rosters right now and the opportunity is definitely there to ascend quickly. The question will be who can quickly build a roster with what's out there.
Also, don't get attached to anyone on the roster now. This isn't a locally built roster and Wojo kept everyone in 2014-15 and we all know how that turned out.
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Who is your 4th horse? Shaka or Smith?
4th horse(man)?
No you didn’t.
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It's easy to say money is 4th when the payday is in the millions.
More because he has already turned down $2 million paydays but weren't the right fit for 1,2. or 3......
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It's easy to say money is 4th when the payday is in the millions.
Sure, but he was a millionaire before he ever coached basketball. Moser came up in a family with a multi-million dollar lumber business. Obviously being able to get a raise from the $1.1M he makes at Loyola to the $2.5M or so he'd get at Marquette is nice, but it's not like a Wojo or Gates that would be getting both a mammoth pay raise and don't come from families with generational wealth.