Why lock the thread? Absolutely a good conversation about what MU should look for in a coach, and a good discussion about what constitutes diversity.
because the only right answer was given......diversity in any organization always makes it better and stronger.
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It's healthy. My position stands. I'm all for hiring a black/brown/beige coach if they have the best attributes. But don't accept their skin color as defining who the person is or why they should get the job. That's anti-progressive.
its racism masquarding as progress. most of the players over the past decade have been black. the university has taken several poc and seems to be as inclusive as possible. the head coach is ONE guy. the idea we should look for a black coach first is not "progressive diversity" its backwards. take the best coach. give everyone a fair look regardless of race.
As I said, diversity of all types makes organizations stronger. Therefore your hiring practices need to be thorough and lacking bias. And it's important for hiring managers to recognize when they may have such bias.
I have made my best hires when I have looked at pools of candidates with open minds and made sure my evaluation process was thorough with input from multiple people.
Hopefully Scholl has a diverse list of coaches with different experiences/attributes and may the best person win.
A lot of people saying in the other thread stuff like "is race the only kind of diversity?"
I get where they're coming from. Marquette (and any organization) should consider hiring folks with a diversity of experiences because that diversity actually improves outcomes. New and different ideas are good for growth. That doesn't always mean hiring candidates of color, but candidates of color in general do bring a whole wealth of different knowledge, skills, and experiences just by being POC.
That's especially true in any fields that deal with young people of color. I'm in education, and any good educational organization worth it's salt (especially in urban areas) needs to be going out of its way to recruit and retain employees of color. Teachers of color can reach kids of color in ways that white teachers often can't, because those white teachers often don't have the same types of experiences.
Don't hire a Black coach just to hire a Black coach, but consider the asset that their diversity might bring.
How about we hire the best human for the job. That's all.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 19, 2021, 07:41:46 PM
its racism masquarding as progress. most of the players over the past decade have been black. the university has taken several poc and seems to be as inclusive as possible. the head coach is ONE guy. the idea we should look for a black coach first is not "progressive diversity" its backwards. take the best coach. give everyone a fair look regardless of race.
The problem, Johnny, is that "give everyone a fair look" SOUNDS nice, but it isn't the reality of what happens in hiring.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 19, 2021, 07:44:46 PM
A lot of people saying in the other thread stuff like "is race the only kind of diversity?"
I get where they're coming from. Marquette (and any organization) should consider hiring folks with a diversity of experiences because that diversity actually improves outcomes. New and different ideas are good for growth. That doesn't always mean hiring candidates of color, but candidates of color in general do bring a whole wealth of different knowledge, skills, and experiences just by being POC.
That's especially true in any fields that deal with young people of color. I'm in education, and any good educational organization worth it's salt (especially in urban areas) needs to be going out of its way to recruit and retain employees of color. Teachers of color can reach kids of color in ways that white teachers often can't, because those white teachers often don't have the same types of experiences.
Don't hire a Black coach just to hire a Black coach, but consider the asset that their diversity might bring.
Yes. Diversity of thought is always good.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 19, 2021, 07:42:28 PM
As I said, diversity of all types makes organizations stronger. Therefore your hiring practices need to be thorough and lacking bias. And it's important for hiring managers to recognize when they may have such bias.
I have made my best hires when I have looked at pools of candidates with open minds and made sure my evaluation process was thorough with input from multiple people.
I maybe stating the same opinion but my experience has been hiring the best candidate leads to a diverse organization. I personally would not want to be hired because of my race, so I don't to it with others.
I agree black teachers are an asset. But really kids respond to character in a person regardless of color. It carries across color, there's bad and good in every race and even the youngest child recognizes it.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 19, 2021, 07:51:01 PM
I maybe stating the same opinion but my experience has been hiring the best candidate leads to a diverse organization. I personally would not want to be hired because of my race, so I don't to it with others.
I agree completely with your first sentence. The problem is that often hiring managers don't understand their biases which leads them to hire people with similar backgrounds and attributes And do so repeatedly.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 19, 2021, 07:46:30 PM
The problem, Johnny, is that "give everyone a fair look" SOUNDS nice, but it isn't the reality of what happens in hiring.
maybe not and it may never be but its somthing to strive for.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 19, 2021, 07:42:28 PM
As I said, diversity of all types makes organizations stronger. Therefore your hiring practices need to be thorough and lacking bias. And it's important for hiring managers to recognize when they may have such bias.
I have made my best hires when I have looked at pools of candidates with open minds and made sure my evaluation process was thorough with input from multiple people.
And I'll be damned if you don't have the best caddy program in the entire state!
I'm totally against diversity we tried that and just got away from Mediocre We need look only at candidates that are the best at coaching. Wojo was too diverse
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 19, 2021, 07:54:48 PM
I agree completely with your first sentence. The problem is that often hiring managers don't understand their biases which leads them to hire people with similar backgrounds and attributes And do so repeatedly.
29.2% of D-1 basketball coaches are black but perhaps you are making tier distinctions.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 19, 2021, 08:25:19 PM
29.2% of D-1 basketball coaches are black but perhaps you are making tier distinctions.
I'm not just talking about race and I am talking in generalities not about coaches.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 19, 2021, 08:27:32 PM
I'm not just talking about race and I am talking in generalities not about coaches.
That was 2019, sorry. I see 15.6% now.