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hard day .. steve is a terrific guy, brought in good guys
we got to know him well over 7 years, it's hard
now finding a guy to take us to the next level
we need to be competing regularily for BE titles
tldr: yadda yadda yadda
homer: how close was it to firing him?
"it was a tough call. too close to forest to see trees .. a lot of good happening, talented team, good kids coming in, gotta make a decision"
Time to give someone else a shot
homer: what was left on his contract
answer; fock off, I'm not telling you
homer: do you have a list of candidates?
It's in my head, or on paper. Broeker has a list.
"thinking more seriously on the list over the past few days"
homer: amount of time to get this done?
I'd love to say we'd have it done today, but we need to take our time, yadda yadda, no artificial timeline
homer: did it come down to winning?
He did so many great things, but yes, we need to be successful on the court on a certain level, my role to decide if we're getting there. No hiding it, winning and losing is important.
Homer: last words?
I'll say this .. I learned over the last little while how important this is to win, our fan base is passionate.
Quick Summary:
- "storied program"
- "need to compete for BE titles and deep march runs"
- "need to find the person to get us there"
- "typically dont comment on contractual situations but not hard to find on internet"
- him and Broeker each have a list
- "this is last convo looking backwards. when he hangs up starts looking forward"
- thinks faster is better in getting new coach but won't rush
- Homer asked if it just came down to winning and it didnt sound like it. Sounds like there were conversations between him and Wojo on things that could be done differently. Didn't want to get into that.
- Goal is to put out a good product for fans
Fairly encouraging interview from Scholl.
It sounds like the last few days made a massive impact on the decision. Fans made all the difference.
Based on the tweets I saw, he's looking more at a head coach.
Also said that him and Wojo had differences of opinion in expectations or things to change. Seems like Wojo may not have thought he'd need to change up anything major.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 19, 2021, 03:14:40 PM
Fairly encouraging interview from Scholl.
No no. Guys is an asshat who is bad at his job and doesn't care about MU ball.
Multiple "in the know" guys here told me.
Jesus man I don't know if this was an attempt to compliment the fan base or if he's that ignorant but the statement "I just learned over the past little while how important winning is to our fans" really rubbed me the wrong way for an AD talking about our stories program.
Didn't someone post here recently that Marquette asked him to have an experienced coach as an an assistant on the bench and he refused?
I didn't listen, but I'm sure it was the boilerplate interview with the local radio guy.
Nothing hard hitting, no pressure from Homer, pure PR.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 19, 2021, 03:16:26 PM
Based on the tweets I saw, he's looking more at a head coach.
Also said that him and Wojo had differences of opinion in expectations or things to change. Seems like Wojo may not have thought he'd need to change up anything major.
Yep. Been down the assistant coach route enough. Scholl knows this hire will define his tenure at Marquette. I see an experienced hire coming.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 19, 2021, 03:18:55 PM
Jesus man I don't know if this was an attempt to compliment the fan base or if he's that ignorant but the statement "I just learned over the past little while how important winning is to our fans" really rubbed me the wrong way for an AD talking about our stories program.
Yeah... and then he realized what he said and tried to retract it. "...oh I shouldn't day that... I have known since the day I arrived..."
In any case the uproar this year seems to have mattered.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 19, 2021, 03:18:55 PM
Jesus man I don't know if this was an attempt to compliment the fan base or if he's that ignorant but the statement "I just learned over the past little while how important winning is to our fans" really rubbed me the wrong way for an AD talking about our stories program.
He sounded really bad and completely unprepared.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 19, 2021, 03:19:50 PM
I didn't listen, but I'm sure it was the boilerplate interview with the local radio guy.
Nothing hard hitting, no pressure from Homer, pure PR.
Bingo.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 19, 2021, 03:22:40 PM
Bingo.
Agreed. Although some info.
- He's not great at radio interviews
- This is not something that has been in the works for weeks, but rather last couple days
- The internet is pretty good at knowing wojos contract / buyout
- They haven't been talking with any potential candidates until today (maybe yesterday)
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 19, 2021, 03:18:55 PM
Jesus man I don't know if this was an attempt to compliment the fan base or if he's that ignorant but the statement "I just learned over the past little while how important winning is to our fans" really rubbed me the wrong way for an AD talking about our stories program.
He quickly back tracked on the initial statement, but yikes. I was listening and almost threw my phone against the wall. So bad.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 19, 2021, 03:26:33 PM
Agreed. Although some info.
- He's not great at radio interviews
- This is not something that has been in the works for weeks, but rather last couple days
- The internet is pretty good at knowing wojos contract / buyout
- They haven't been talking with any potential candidates until today (maybe yesterday)
It sounded like it was more philosophical differences than the results on the court.
I thought the statement that it wasn't just about winning was interesting.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 19, 2021, 03:35:38 PM
It sounded like it was more philosophical differences than the results on the court.
It was more than win and loses. He wanted to say more, yet kept it private.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 19, 2021, 03:38:13 PM
It was more than win and loses. He wanted to say more, yet kept it private.
Scholl mentions it again right at the beginning of this interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj5qNW4T-Pk
Scientific poll:
https://twitter.com/ESPNMilwaukee/status/1373011074388230148
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 19, 2021, 03:38:13 PM
It was more than win and loses. He wanted to say more, yet kept it private.
I imagine it's much simpler then whatever theories people have.
Bottom line is Wojo was never Scholl's hire.
" just learned winning is important to
our fans " WTF ??
That's a very concerning ( and ignorant)
statement
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 19, 2021, 03:19:50 PM
I didn't listen, but I'm sure it was the boilerplate interview with the local radio guy.
Nothing hard hitting, no pressure from Homer, pure PR.
What do you expect from Homer? The paid shill for MU BB that has never asked a tough or meaningful question in his unremarkable career...
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 19, 2021, 03:44:53 PM
" just learned winning is important to
our fans " WTF ??
That's a very concerning ( and ignorant)
statement
He backtracked on that very quickly, but it makes me think that the frustrations weren't clear to the administration until recently.
Quote from: panda on March 19, 2021, 03:28:35 PM
He quickly back tracked on the initial statement, but yikes. I was listening and almost threw my phone against the wall. So bad.
\The guy just learned that? Sheesh.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 19, 2021, 03:43:24 PM
I imagine it's much simpler then whatever theories people have.
Bottom line is Wojo was never Scholl's hire.
Maybe that's the bottom line. But my theory, they PR was honest, they did have several discussions this week. Scoll was trying to guide Wojo to do some things that would help him keep his job, Wojo perhaps fought that too much. And I think that's pretty simple.
Contrary to what some claimed, the PT article mattered (awesome job again to those involved). The fan's voices mattered.
I wonder if Scholl wanted a strong say in who Killings' replacement would be, and wanted Wojo to can host most of his staff a la Chris Mack.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 19, 2021, 03:47:59 PM
Maybe that's the bottom line. But my theory, they PR was honest, they did have several discussions this week. Scoll was trying to guide Wojo to do some things that would help him keep his job, Wojo perhaps fought that too much. And I think that's pretty simple.
Not exactly a surprise that Wojo couldn't be talked into changing directions. Maybe he's as stubborn off the court as he is on the court.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 19, 2021, 03:52:12 PM
Contrary to what some claimed, the PT article mattered (awesome job again to those involved). The fan's voices mattered.
The donors mattered. The fans voices may have included those with money but this process started long before the PT article was posted.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 19, 2021, 03:39:11 PM
Scholl mentions it again right at the beginning of this interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj5qNW4T-Pk
I didn't listen to the Homer interview but in the first 8 minutes of this interview I think he is answering the questions pretty well
edit: Pitino lovers should jump to the 9:30 mark
The fact that Wojo may have pushed back on anything recommended to improve the program is mind boggling. He was in no position to negotiate, let alone not take advice. The little sorrow I felt for Wojo has passed.
I also wondering if the "differences" involved a new contract with basically zero buyout for next year.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 19, 2021, 03:53:26 PM
The donors mattered. The fans voices may have included those with money but this process started long before the PT article was posted.
It all mattered
Quote from: naginiF on March 19, 2021, 03:54:20 PM
I didn't listen to the Homer interview but in the first 8 minutes of this interview I think he is answering the questions pretty well
edit: Pitino lovers should jump to the 9:30 mark
Doesn't want a coach with baggage.
Quote from: panda on March 19, 2021, 03:46:23 PM
He backtracked on that very quickly, but it makes me think that the frustrations weren't clear to the administration until recently.
I think it's pretty clear that it was a frustrated shot at the fans who did the billboard and other forms of protest. I don't think it says anything about his level of awareness.
This came together in the last few days and trigger was pulled last night. Had to get the right donors lined up.
Homer is a really good guy. You might not like his show, but he's done a lot of good for MU.
He just pledged to donate $5K to MU if they hire Beilein before Monday.
Quote from: 94Warrior on March 19, 2021, 04:38:22 PM
Homer is a really good guy. You might not like his show, but he's done a lot of good for MU.
He just pledged to donate $5K to MU if they hire Beilein before Monday.
Homer, after the interview: " Bill, will he be hiring John Belien?
School: "He doesn't want to coach at mu, so no."
After the break, homer: " I'll donate $5k ifU hires belein!"
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 19, 2021, 04:32:06 PM
I think it's pretty clear that it was a frustrated shot at the fans who did the billboard and other forms of protest. I don't think it says anything about his level of awareness.
This came together in the last few days and trigger was pulled last night. Had to get the right donors lined up.
How do I know to believe you?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 19, 2021, 04:32:06 PM
I think it's pretty clear that it was a frustrated shot at the fans who did the billboard and other forms of protest. I don't think it says anything about his level of awareness.
This came together in the last few days and trigger was pulled last night. Had to get the right donors lined up.
Was this something Scholl wanted to do and he actively sought out the donors, or was his hand forced by said donors? Had it not been for them, do you think there would've been no action?
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 19, 2021, 03:38:13 PM
It was more than win and loses. He wanted to say more, yet kept it private.
As he should.
He rightly fired the guy. There is no reason to throw him under the bus, as well.
Quote from: PhillyWarrior on March 19, 2021, 03:46:19 PM
What do you expect from Homer? The paid shill for MU BB that has never asked a tough or meaningful question in his unremarkable career...
Homer is a UW grad and has said the only connection he has with MUBB is that they pay me. The voice of MUBB has a 3 hour daily radio show and would rather discuss Tim Boyle 5 days a week.
Homer is terrible
And MU has hung onto him for 20 (?)
Years
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 19, 2021, 06:33:10 PM
Homer is a UW grad and has said the only connection he has with MUBB is that they pay me. The voice of MUBB has a 3 hour daily radio show and would rather discuss Tim Boyle 5 days a week.
Pretty sure he didn't graduate from Madison actually. Just was there for awhile.
He's an entertaining PBP guy but he's a pretty mediocre radio host.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 19, 2021, 06:55:18 PM
He's an entertaining PBP guy
Entertaining unless you actually want to know what's happening in the game.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 19, 2021, 03:38:13 PM
It was more than win and loses. He wanted to say more, yet kept it private.
That part was strange. Wondered if perhaps they pressured Wojo to hire a more experienced assistant than Wojo would typically hire to coach/ball at lunch.
Quote from: 94Warrior on March 19, 2021, 04:38:22 PM
Homer is a really good guy. You might not like his show, but he's done a lot of good for MU.
He just pledged to donate $5K to MU if they hire Beilein before Monday.
and to think Homer is a UW grad! Played varsity tennis there. But, He sincerely loves MU and MU hoops. Also, not his job to drill the AD in an interview.
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 19, 2021, 06:33:10 PM
Homer is a UW grad and has said the only connection he has with MUBB is that they pay me.
If you've spent any time with him it's clear how much he cares about the program.
I don't get the Homer hate on here. He's entertaining to listen to during the games, has had a good rapport with Thompson, McIlvane and now Smith, and seems to really enjoy MU basketball. Among college basketball radio voices, he's pretty good compared to others out there.
Ziggy
U put it in teal, but I've actually heard that u are close to correct. Scholl wanted an experienced former HC type on the bench.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 19, 2021, 03:53:26 PM
The donors mattered. The fans voices may have included those with money but this process started long before the PT article was posted.
That article 100% mattered. It's actually scary how much it mattered.
Quote from: ZiggysChestHair on March 19, 2021, 07:32:55 PM
That part was strange. Wondered if perhaps they pressured Wojo to hire a more experienced assistant than Wojo would typically hire to coach/ball at lunch.
You don't need to put that part in teal. That may well have been something Scholl discussed with Wojo, which Wojo was not receptive to.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 19, 2021, 03:39:11 PM
Scholl mentions it again right at the beginning of this interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj5qNW4T-Pk
Thank You
Quote from: The Lens on March 19, 2021, 10:59:50 PM
That article 100% mattered. It's actually scary how much it mattered.
If the article was a big factor, we need a new AD before we hire our new coach.
A decision this big needs to be made by a strong leader exercising rational analysis and sound judgment...not as a knee-jerk reaction to a blog post. It doesn't matter how well written the post was; it should NOT have been a significant factor in this decision.
Agree 100% and Lens never says why he knows "100%" that the article was "scary" significant the in Wojo's firing.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 19, 2021, 03:18:55 PM
Jesus man I don't know if this was an attempt to compliment the fan base or if he's that ignorant but the statement "I just learned over the past little while how important winning is to our fans" really rubbed me the wrong way for an AD talking about our stories program.
His words were vague, but I have a feeling he was really saying "Until last night I didn't think our donors/fans were willing to drop > $9mil on a buyout because Wojo hasn't been winning enough"
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 20, 2021, 12:27:51 AM
His words were vague, but I have a feeling he was really saying "Until last night I didn't think our donors/fans were willing to drop > $9mil on a buyout because Wojo hasn't been winning enough"
That makes a lot more sense.
Quote from: Doo on March 20, 2021, 12:16:24 AM
Agree 100% and Lens never says why he knows "100%" that the article was "scary" significant the in Wojo's firing.
No one asked...
Quote from: ZiggysChestHair on March 19, 2021, 07:32:55 PM
That part was strange. Wondered if perhaps they pressured Wojo to hire a more experienced assistant than Wojo would typically hire to coach/ball at lunch.
You don't need teal there. That's likely what it was. Scholl tells Wojo the only way forward is if you get a proven X's and O's guy that has been a head coach and you let him take charge in select situations or you're gone. Wojo decided to keep his pride and cash in the buyout.
I think the article gave very powerful and rich people the vocabulary they needed to properly express their dissatisfaction with Wojo. They were always dissatisfied but maybe didn't know how to explain what they were dissatisfied with. I think Wojo was already on the way to getting fired this year before the article came out but it probably helped loosen the pursestrings a bit.
Quote from: The Lens on March 19, 2021, 10:59:50 PM
That article 100% mattered. It's actually scary how much it mattered.
Wrong. The decision was made already.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 19, 2021, 03:39:11 PM
Scholl mentions it again right at the beginning of this interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj5qNW4T-Pk
Bumping again, because Scholl actually answers a lot of question here (i.e. - worth the 8 minutes...on 2x speed)
Quote from: The Lens on March 19, 2021, 10:59:50 PM
That article 100% mattered. It's actually scary how much it mattered.
I agree. The article .. (and the billboard, really,) showed it wasn't just the usual: fans griping they didn't win a national championship this year. It gave everyone a vocabulary, and another flashing red light for Scholl.
The season was over. For 5-6 days, you and your boss have "several" conversations about finding the path forward and he does not fire you. Then he does.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 19, 2021, 03:53:26 PM
The donors mattered. The fans voices may have included those with money but this process started long before the PT article was posted.
Probably true but this is coming from the guy who made it a point to tell everyone, in every thread, that Wojo wouldn't be fired.
You have no idea what you're talking about
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 19, 2021, 03:52:12 PM
Contrary to what some claimed, the PT article mattered (awesome job again to those involved). The fan's voices mattered.
No, Marquette University did not make a multimillion dollar decision in a span of 24 hours based on the posting of a fan blog.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2021, 09:23:03 AM
No, Marquette University did not make a multimillion dollar decision in a span of 24 hours based on the posting of a fan blog.
100% correct. Serious discussions were taking place as soon as we were eliminated in the BE tourney. The Administration and the BOT has been getting an earful the last several months. Marquette does not make decisions in a span of 24 hours about anything.
I think it's hard to say a fan blog article pushed the admin to change a decision.
I can see that it could have confirmed how far the fan base had become alienated with the direction of the program and there was not a likely a path to a happy ending next year with a few coaching 'adjustments'.
Quote from: swoopem on March 20, 2021, 09:20:43 AM
Probably true but this is coming from the guy who made it a point to tell everyone, in every thread, that Wojo wouldn't be fired.
You have no idea what you're talking about
To defend Fluffy here, and you can hear it in Scholl's talks, the idea of paying a multimillion dollar payout out of MU's operational budget was not a reality until the last few days when donors stepped up. The press release was very clear to point that out as that is bad karma when layoffs are occurring all over the university.
As Scholl said it was a close call. Who knows what the conversations between Wojo and Scholl were, but MU may have tried the Haurbaugh clause to extend (among other things) to give Steve one more chance, and Wojo dug in. That may have been the tipping point for Scholl, who then went looking for buyout money and found eager donors. That solved the internal hurdles.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 20, 2021, 12:54:51 AM
Wrong. The decision was made already.
This is what I was trying to get at in other threads.
Posters talk down about other posters for not listening to "inside" info.
But, here's 2 competing opinions.
How is someone not on the inside supposed to know who is right?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 20, 2021, 09:48:02 AM
To defend Fluffy here, and you can hear it in Scholl's talks, the idea of paying a multimillion dollar payout out of MU's operational budget was not a reality until the last few days when donors stepped up. The press release was very clear to point that out as that is bad karma when layoffs are occurring all over the university.
As Scholl said it was a close call. Who knows what the conversations between Wojo and Scholl were, but MU may have tried the Haurbaugh clause to extend (among other things) to give Steve one more chance, and Wojo dug in. That may have been the tipping point for Scholl, who then went looking for buyout money and found eager donors. That solved the internal hurdles.
Nope. The tipping point was Wojo not wanting to change his staff...like an idiot
Anyone with a pulse knew he had to make changes to his staff but he was too stubborn to do so
Quote from: swoopem on March 20, 2021, 10:04:23 AM
Nope. The tipping point was Wojo not wanting to change his staff...like an idiot
Anyone with a pulse knew he had to make changes to his staff but he was too stubborn to do so
That wasn't my point (tipping), my point (and the point of the thread stream) was MU's original plan as to bring him back. Fluffy wasn't wrong at the time.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 20, 2021, 09:53:16 AM
How is someone not on the inside supposed to know who is right?
I think both can be right. In one of Scholl's interviews (don't recall if the Homer one or media availability) he made a clear demarcation between the questions of (1) whether Wojo should be coach next year and once that decision was made (2) whether the university could afford it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an intention to move and then the uproar of the past few days (including the article) provided the resources act on that intention.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 19, 2021, 03:43:24 PM
I imagine it's much simpler then whatever theories people have.
Bottom line is Wojo was never Scholl's hire.
He became his guy when he extended him. I'm sure whoever the donors are that had to fork over the buyout money are a little miffed by that.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2021, 09:23:03 AM
No, Marquette University did not make a multimillion dollar decision in a span of 24 hours based on the posting of a fan blog.
Never said that. I said it mattered. It was part of the equation even if a small part.
Quote from: The Lens on March 20, 2021, 12:44:19 AM
No one asked...
Ok, why are you 100% certain that the PT article was "scary" significant in Wojo's firing?
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 20, 2021, 09:53:16 AM
This is what I was trying to get at in other threads.
Posters talk down about other posters for not listening to "inside" info.
But, here's 2 competing opinions.
How is someone not on the inside supposed to know who is right?
Because they will tell you.
If if they were wrong....they will spin it....so they too were also kinda right.
Quote from: Doo on March 20, 2021, 01:17:15 PM
Ok, why are you 100% certain that the PT article was "scary" significant in Wojo's firing?
"scary" might be a bit much but I have heard from multiple people that those articles were significant.
Quote from: Boozemon Barro on March 20, 2021, 10:28:38 AM
He became his guy when he extended him. I'm sure whoever the donors are that had to fork over the buyout money are a little miffed by that.
That's not how it works. The AD isn't just doing contracts in a vacuum, he's working in concert with the President, BOT and donors.
Quote from: The Lens on March 22, 2021, 11:07:59 AM
"scary" might be a bit much but I have heard from multiple people that those articles were significant.
To whom? I hope not to MU AD as those stats should have been available to them in their assessments (and in fact, I am sure they used them and was the reason for hiring Wojo a seasoned consultant).
To donors I can see as the facts were all in one place. But to be honest, nothing in that article was new to Scoopers as we have debated all those points for 7 years.