We've updated the S-Curve with last night's developments. Georgetown and Oregon State steal bids from Xavier and Mississippi. We're down to 6 teams for 3 spots, with Cincinnati lurking as another bid thief.
As an aside, it absolutely sucks as a bracketologist to get suspended by Twitter for using the term "name recognition" referring to Syracuse on Selection Sunday just hours before the reveal because apparently that's posting someone's private information.
Oh well, here's the updates:
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2021/03/selection-sunday-take-1.html?m=1
****Scroll down for an updated bracket, as of 3:56 pm.****
In the MU community, Selection Sunday has been renamed Sullen Sunday, where we get to watch other teams, other fans enjoy the beginning of basketball christmas while MU fans pack up their lockers for yet another long off-season.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 14, 2021, 09:35:15 AM
In the MU community, Selection Sunday has been renamed Sullen Sunday, where we get to watch other teams, other fans enjoy the beginning of basketball christmas while MU fans pack up their lockers for yet another long off-season.
I had the same thought this morning. Instead of the excitement of wondering who we're going to play, we get...nothing. I'm not even going to watch tonight. In seven years under Wojo, we've played in *two* Tournament games. Pathetic.
Is there a way we can give the Coaching Carousel a name similar to Sullen Sunday? It's going to be frustrating as hell to watch other schools decisively fire failing coaches and make exciting hires while we're stuck with the turd we have.
I've been following Marquette basketball for three decades, and this is the lowest I've ever felt about the MU program. If I had season tickets, I'd absolutely cancel. I do not plan on attending another game until Wojo is canned.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 14, 2021, 01:29:44 PM
I had the same thought this morning. Instead of the excitement of wondering who we're going to play, we get...nothing. I'm not even going to watch tonight. In seven years under Wojo, we've played in *two* Tournament games. Pathetic.
If you're going to criticize me for counting last year as an appearance, you should probably acknowledge that Wojo has only had 6 opportunities to earn a tournament bid. 2/6 ain't great either but 2 out of the last 4 opportunities is more reasonable. Still think he should be fired though.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 14, 2021, 01:37:49 PM
If you're going to criticize me for counting last year as an appearance, you should probably acknowledge that Wojo has only had 6 opportunities to earn a tournament bid. 2/6 ain't great either but 2 out of the last 4 opportunities is more reasonable. Still think he should be fired though.
You ever see the YouTube video where that little kid steals his grandma's car and crashes it, and then they interview him and he says, "I did cuz it's fun. It's fun to do bad things." Well, at this point, I criticize Wojo because it's fun. It's fun to kick him while he's down, and he's guided the program to such an awful place that I see no reason not to rip on him for pretty much anything I can think of.
And I didn't say he had seven chances. Just that in seven years, we've played in two tournament games. If we hadn't gotten our asses beat in the two we played, that number would be higher. But I guess that's asking too much.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2021, 09:19:06 AM
We've updated the S-Curve with last night's developments. Georgetown and Oregon State steal bids from Xavier and Mississippi. We're down to 6 teams for 3 spots, with Cincinnati lurking as another bid thief.
As an aside, it absolutely sucks as a bracketologist to get suspended by Twitter for using the term "name recognition" referring to Syracuse on Selection Sunday just hours before the reveal because apparently that's posting someone's private information.
Oh well, here's the updates:
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2021/03/selection-sunday-take-1.html?m=1
Given it's 13-12 record and 64 NET, I suspect that Gtown will likely be in a First Four game.....
I think an overwhelming majority of Scoop wants Wojo fired. I think a slight majority, if not strong majority, also believes Wojo is the MUBB head coach next year.
Really tough position to be in. It is outside our control. All we can hope for is an impact frosh season for Stevie, as well as at least two impact grad transfers (and hoping Dawson, DJ and Justin all are back). That's alot of hoping, but it's all we can do realistically at this point.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 14, 2021, 01:45:34 PM
You ever see the YouTube video where that little kid steals his grandma's car and crashes it, and then they interview him and he says, "I did cuz it's fun. It's fun to do bad things." Well, at this point, I criticize Wojo because it's fun. It's fun to kick him while he's down, and he's guided the program to such an awful place that I see no reason not to rip on him for pretty much anything I can think of.
And I didn't say he had seven chances. Just that in seven years, we've played in two tournament games. If we hadn't gotten our asses beat in the two we played, that number would be higher. But I guess that's asking too much.
That's a fascinating view on life.
I never said you said he had seven chance. I said you should acknowledge it.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 14, 2021, 09:35:15 AM
In the MU community, Selection Sunday has been renamed Sullen Sunday, where we get to watch other teams, other fans enjoy the beginning of basketball christmas while MU fans pack up their lockers for yet another long off-season.
Which is why a change needs to be made immediately. There was a time when MU was an elite program. Not too long ago we made the dance most every year. With Wojo-Dukiet we have become a mid major. With Wojo-Dukiet we have become a bottom feeder in the BEast. With Wojo-Dukiet we are DePaul north.
TIME FOR A CHANGE
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 14, 2021, 01:47:29 PM
Given it's 13-12 record and 64 NET, I suspect that Gtown will likely be in a First Four game.....
The first four games go to the worst four 16 seeds and the worst four at large teams. Georgetown is not an at large or a 16 seed.
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 14, 2021, 01:47:29 PM
Given it's 13-12 record and 64 NET, I suspect that Gtown will likely be in a First Four game.....
As noted above, not possible. Unless they are a 16-seed, and there's no way that's the case.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2021, 03:11:56 PM
As noted above, not possible. Unless they are a 16-seed, and there's no way that's the case.
Got it. Forgetting the Hoyas are an auto-bid as BET champs.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 14, 2021, 01:47:44 PM
I think an overwhelming majority of Scoop wants Wojo fired. I think a slight majority, if not strong majority, also believes Wojo is the MUBB head coach next year.
Really tough position to be in. It is outside our control. All we can hope for is an impact frosh season for Stevie, as well as at least two impact grad transfers (and hoping Dawson, DJ and Justin all are back). That's alot of hoping, but it's all we can do realistically at this point.
Well stated! We've all been frustrated and it's led to a lot of lashing out on this board. But I think we can all agree to what was said above.
Final S-Curve update:
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2021/03/selection-sunday-final-projection.html?m=1
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 14, 2021, 01:29:44 PM
I had the same thought this morning. Instead of the excitement of wondering who we're going to play, we get...nothing. I'm not even going to watch tonight. In seven years under Wojo, we've played in *two* Tournament games. Pathetic.
Is there a way we can give the Coaching Carousel a name similar to Sullen Sunday? It's going to be frustrating as hell to watch other schools decisively fire failing coaches and make exciting hires while we're stuck with the turd we have.
I've been following Marquette basketball for three decades, and this is the lowest I've ever felt about the MU program. If I had season tickets, I'd absolutely cancel. I do not plan on attending another game until Wojo is canned.
Since we're stuck with Wojo: Coaching Passover?
It's weird not seeing the ACC show up until the 4-line.
Using my S-Curve, here is my projected NCAA field, with all efforts made to avoid intra-conference matchups by NCAA rules as well as keeping teams apart from the same conferences as much as possible.
GONZAGA REGION
1-Gonzaga vs 16-Texas Southern/Mount St. Mary's
8-Oklahoma vs 9-St. Bonaventure
4-Purdue vs 13-UC Santa Barbara
5-Villanova vs 12-Winthrop
3-Texas vs 14-Morehead State
6-Colorado vs 11-Maryland
7-Connecticut vs 10-Michigan State
2-Iowa vs 15-Grand Canyon
**Iowa moved down one on the S-Curve to keep the four Big 10 teams on the top two lines apart. Arkansas switched out of this region with Texas to avoid two Big 12 teams in the Baylor region. Purdue moved down to this region to avoid meeting a Big 10 team until the Elite 8 and because they only played Iowa once this season. Maryland switched with UCLA to avoid a Pac-12 first round meeting. Michigan and Maryland met twice in the regular season and thus CAN meet in the Sweet 16.**
BAYLOR REGION
1-Baylor vs 16-Norfolk State/Appalachian State
8-Missouri vs 9-Georgia Tech
4-Florida State vs 13-Ohio
5-Tennessee vs 12-Colgate
3-Arkansas vs 14-Eastern Washington
6-Texas Tech vs 11-UCLA
7-Wisconsin vs 10-VCU
2-Ohio State vs 15-Iona
**Ohio State moved down one on the S-Curve to keep the four Big 10 teams on the top two lines apart. Arkansas switched with Texas into this region to avoid two Big 12 teams on the top two lines in this region. FSU moved down to this region due to needing to move Purdue up to the Gonzaga region. Texas Tech moved into this region because Arkansas is the only non-Big 12 3-seed. Georgia Tech switched initially with Florida to avoid SEC first round meeting. Iona switched into this region to avoid regular season Ohio State/Cleveland State rematch. Ohio State and Wisconsin can play in the second round due to only meeting once this season.**
ILLINOIS REGION
1-Illinois vs 16-Hartford
8-San Diego State vs 9-North Carolina
4-Virginia vs 13-North Texas
5-BYU vs 12-Georgetown
3-Kansas vs 14-Abilene Christian
6-Loyola Chicago vs 11-Louisville/Wichita State
7-LSU vs 10-Virginia Tech
2-Houston vs 15-Cleveland State
**Houston moved up to keep Big 10 teams on top two lines apart. Loyola Chicago moved down one to avoid Kansas/Texas Tech second round matchup. North Carolina switched with Florida, who had already moved down one, to avoid first round ACC meeting. Oregon State switched with Georgetown into this region to avoid first round Big East matchup with Creighton below. North Texas swapped in with Liberty to avoid North Texas/West Virginia non-con rematch. Cleveland State switched with Iona into this region to avoid first round non-con rematch with Ohio State.**
MICHIGAN REGION
1-Michigan vs 16-Drexel
8-Clemson vs 9-Florida
4-West Virginia vs 13-Liberty
5-Creighton vs 12-Oregon State
3-Oklahoma State vs 14-UNC Greensboro
6-USC vs 11-Drake/Colorado State
7-Oregon vs 10-Rutgers
2-Alabama vs 15-Oral Roberts
**Florida moved down to avoid first round in-conference matchups. Oregon State swapped into this region to avoid first round Big East matchup. Liberty switched with North Texas into this region to avoid first round West Virginia/North Texas rematch. USC and Oregon can meet in the Sweet 16 because they only played once this season.**
I suspect the NCAA has contingency brackets based on this Big 10 result. If Illinois wins, I think they move ahead of Michigan, if they lose, I think they stay as the last 1-seed. Did my last update and the bracket above based on an Illinois win.
Another season the Badgers close the gap to us in ncaa bids. Damn. Neighbor kid shootin' hoop in the driveway with a Dekker jersey on. Damn. I don't even have a Corona in the 'frig. Damn!!
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2021, 04:29:17 PM
I suspect the NCAA has contingency brackets based on this Big 10 result. If Illinois wins, I think they move ahead of Michigan, if they lose, I think they stay as the last 1-seed. Did my last update and the bracket above based on an Illinois win.
Looks like a substantial amount of work went into this bracket so excited to see how close it is to the actual bracket. My theory is that this Big Ten game sadly doesn't matter.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 14, 2021, 04:40:05 PM
Looks like a substantial amount of work went into this bracket so excited to see how close it is to the actual bracket. My theory is that this Big Ten game sadly doesn't matter.
I usually think that, but I remember being surprised by some S-Curve seeding in the past. As neither of these teams will be moving seed lines based on this game, I could see basically two brackets dependent on if Michigan or Illinois is in the 3-spot on the curve.
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 14, 2021, 01:47:29 PM
Given it's 13-12 record and 64 NET, I suspect that Gtown will likely be in a First Four game.....
The last 4 can't be auto bids. Unless you're referring to the 16/16 game which obviously Gtown is nowhere near.
*Edit: Late to the obvious correction party.*
First region is in. Wichita and Drake both in, which is good for my bubble projection. Feels like that leaves one spot that will be Colorado State, Utah State, Mississippi, or St. Louis. Syracuse is the popular pick on bracketmatrix, but they would surprise me.
So far, 16/16, 14/16 on the correct seed line. Had Missouri a 9, they are an 8, had UC-Santa Barbara a 13, they are a 12.
18/18 rather, two play-ins.
Two regions in, I'm 33/34 on teams. Missed Utah State, likely means Colorado State is out. 27 teams on the correct seed line, 4 teams 1 line off, 2 teams 2 lines off (Wisconsin & Florida swapped).
Brewcity, didn't you excoriate me when I wrote Whisky is an 8 seed? They ended up at the #9 line.
Nova will be a popular upset pick.
OSU a 4 seed? On what planet?!
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 14, 2021, 05:38:46 PM
They got a #2.
Oklahoma St. Either some confusion, or Nickle really liked them as a 3.
wtf what seed are we?????
24th i think
66/68 teams right. Syracuse and Utah State in over Louisville and Colorado State, same conference but different teams. Louisville and Colorado State were the first two out, and my first two out were the others included in that first four out: Mississippi and SLU.
48 teams on the correct line. Of the 18 I was wrong on, most were 1 line off.
I missed the selection show. What seed did Marquette get? I'm assuming it was a high one after our historic defeat of UNC.
Quote from: Farley36 on March 14, 2021, 06:16:00 PM
I missed the selection show. What seed did Marquette get? I'm assuming it was a high one after our historic defeat of UNC.
29 seed
Quote from: Farley36 on March 14, 2021, 06:16:00 PM
I missed the selection show. What seed did Marquette get? I'm assuming it was a high one after our historic defeat of UNC.
Hilarious
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2021, 06:15:25 PM
66/68 teams right. Syracuse and Utah State in over Louisville and Colorado State, same conference but different teams. Louisville and Colorado State were the first two out, and my first two out were the others included in that first four out: Mississippi and SLU.
48 teams on the correct line. Of the 18 I was wrong on, most were 1 line off.
Impressive man!
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 14, 2021, 06:28:57 PM
Impressive man!
Agreed. The seed lines is impressive especially. Would like to see how they compare vs other bracketologists. The last few teams in are always a crap shoot anyway.
Of the 90 brackets on bracketmatrix, only 3 got all 68 teams right. I'm guessing I'll be somewhere in the middle. The vast majority had Louisville in, but most also got Syracuse. I feel okay, but after Utah State was announced as in, I thought for sure Syracuse was out and I had 67/68, which I would've been much happier with. The Orange were a shock for sure, especially avoiding the Last 4.
Marquette played 12 games against teams in the NCAA Tournament this year.
Quote from: Farley36 on March 14, 2021, 06:16:00 PM
I missed the selection show. What seed did Marquette get? I'm assuming it was a high one after our historic defeat of UNC.
The difference between you and the real Farley is that he was funny and you are a clown.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 14, 2021, 06:59:58 PM
Marquette played 12 games against teams in the NCAA Tournament this year.
Marquette probably also played 6 games against teams in the NIT this year. For a total of 18 games played against a team in a tournament this year.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 14, 2021, 06:59:58 PM
Marquette played 12 games against teams in the NCAA Tournament this year.
Marquette played 8 UNC we beat plays 9 WI we beat. Plus UCLA and Oklahoma State. Plus 2 Games each against Nova, UConn, GTown we beat and Creighton we beat.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 14, 2021, 07:02:48 PM
Marquette probably also played 6 games against teams in the NIT this year. For a total of 18 games played against a team in a tournament this year.
Considering at this rate, all of D1 will have been invited to the NIT, it's not that impressive.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2021, 06:44:52 PM
Of the 90 brackets on bracketmatrix, only 3 got all 68 teams right. I'm guessing I'll be somewhere in the middle. The vast majority had Louisville in, but most also got Syracuse. I feel okay, but after Utah State was announced as in, I thought for sure Syracuse was out and I had 67/68, which I would've been much happier with. The Orange were a shock for sure, especially avoiding the Last 4.
SLU had a better Net than any team last four in or first four out. And they had a better KenPom than 5 at large teams as well as both teams ahead of them as COVID-19 replacements.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 14, 2021, 07:15:49 PM
SLU had a better Net than any team last four in or first four out. And they had a better KenPom than 5 at large teams as well as both teams ahead of them as COVID-19 replacements.
Too many bad losses. Best road win was NET #321 Fordham. 8-6 against the top-3 quadrants just wasn't enough. If they don't lose those two games coming out of COVID they probably get in, but they did.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2021, 07:25:01 PM
Too many bad losses. Best road win was NET #321 Fordham. 8-6 against the top-3 quadrants just wasn't enough. If they don't lose those two games coming out of COVID they probably get in, but they did.
Net not really a factor in selections. Neither was COVID-19. They have a case compared to some of the teams ahead of them.
Ben Howland Mississippi State and Todd Kowalczyk Toledo got into The NIT
NIT
1 Colorado State
4 Buffalo
2 Davidson
3 NC State
1 Memphis
4 Dayton
2 Boise State
3 SMU
1 St. Louis
4 Missouri State
2 Richmond
3 Toledo
1 Ole Miss
4 Louisiana Tech
2 St. Mary's
3 Western Kentucky
First Four Out.
Belmont :o
Furman
Marshall
UAB
No Big East Teams in NIT
I think the BEast teams turned down bids.
No Big Ten teams in NIT either
Quote from: shoothoops on March 14, 2021, 07:33:48 PM
Net not really a factor in selections. Neither was COVID-19. They have a case compared to some of the teams ahead of them.
Actually, NET was a strong indicator. The entire top-40 of the NET got in. 21 of the teams outside the top-40 were auto-bids. So that leaves 7 at-large teams outside the top-40. Here's the list:
#41 Clemson
#45 Drake
#46 UCLA
#47 Missouri
#48 Virginia Tech
#70 Michigan State
#72 Wichita State
If you look at the two outliers, both had top-5 NET wins. No one else from 40-72 that was left out had a win at that level.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2021, 08:07:39 PM
Actually, NET was a strong indicator. The entire top-40 of the NET got in. 21 of the teams outside the top-40 were auto-bids. So that leaves 7 at-large teams outside the top-40. Here's the list:
#41 Clemson
#45 Drake
#46 UCLA
#47 Missouri
#48 Virginia Tech
#70 Michigan State
#72 Wichita State
If you look at the two outliers, both had top-5 NET wins. No one else from 40-72 that was left out had a win at that level.
Example:
SLU finished with a 43 NET. Wichita St. finished with a 72 NET. SLU had wins over LSU, The Bonnies, and a few other teams with better NET rankings than Witchita St. That is better than Wichita St.'s two wins in the NET top 100.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 14, 2021, 08:23:05 PM
Example:
SLU finished with a 43 NET. Wichita St. finished with a 72 NET. SLU had wins over LSU, The Bonnies, and a few other teams with better NET rankings than Witchita St. That is better than Wichita St.'s two wins in the NET top 100.
The biggest separators are the win and loss columns. SLU doesn't have any win like Houston. At the other end, SLU has 4 losses outside the field, WSU has just two.
I understand the case for SLU. Wouldn't have been a terrible inclusion. I'd have put them over Syracuse or Utah State. But every top-40 NET team made the field & I think those two Q3 losses were just a bit much for the Committee.
First glance lines I like...
Houston -19.5
Abilene Christian +9 (Really hope Joe Public flows money to Texas)
Ohio +8.5 (this will be 7 by tip)
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2021, 08:35:04 PM
The biggest separators are the win and loss columns. SLU doesn't have any win like Houston. At the other end, SLU has 4 losses outside the field, WSU has just two.
I understand the case for SLU. Wouldn't have been a terrible inclusion. I'd have put them over Syracuse or Utah State. But every top-40 NET team made the field & I think those two Q3 losses were just a bit much for the Committee.
...which again makes the point that COVID-19 wasn't considered, (SLU was a top 5 seed weekly for many weeks prior to COVID-19) and NET was selective at best. I would rather see multiple top 20 something NET wins that SLU had vs the one Wichita St. had. Are two wins over LSU and St. Bonnies better than one win over Houston? In my opinion, yes. Then we covered all of the other NET wins SLU had that Wichita St. didn't have vs teams better NET than Wichita St.
I think SLU should have gotten a spot.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 14, 2021, 08:48:12 PM
...which again makes the point that COVID-19 wasn't considered, (SLU was a top 5 seed weekly for many weeks prior to COVID-19) and NET was selective at best. I would rather see multiple top 20 something NET wins that SLU had vs the one Wichita St. had. Are two wins over LSU and St. Bonnies better than one win over Houston? In my opinion, yes. Then we covered all of the other NET wins SLU had that Wichita St. didn't have vs teams better NET than Wichita St.
SLU didn't have any top-20 NET wins. St. Bonaventure and LSU were 27 and 28. Both at home, whereas Wichita also had a Q1 road win over Mississippi. Wichita was better in Q2 and Q3, with road wins in both categories.
I think SLU's play away from home really hurt. Zero Q1+2 wins away from home. Only one neutral court Q3 and one road Q4. 6-3 road/neutral for WSU vs 2-5 for SLU. The Selection Committee cares about how you play away from home, and honestly it's a surprise SLU even got back to the bubble because they were dead and buried in early February. In addition, WSU were still league champs in a top-7 league.
You can only take 68. Hard to get too upset about SLU considering what they didn't do away from home.
5 teams you're rooting for outside of the BEast?
5 teams you can't stand and are hoping for an early exit?
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2021, 10:29:56 PM
SLU didn't have any top-20 NET wins. St. Bonaventure and LSU were 27 and 28. Both at home, whereas Wichita also had a Q1 road win over Mississippi. Wichita was better in Q2 and Q3, with road wins in both categories.
I think SLU's play away from home really hurt. Zero Q1+2 wins away from home. Only one neutral court Q3 and one road Q4. 6-3 road/neutral for WSU vs 2-5 for SLU. The Selection Committee cares about how you play away from home, and honestly it's a surprise SLU even got back to the bubble because they were dead and buried in early February. In addition, WSU were still league champs in a top-7 league.
you can only take 68. Hard to get too upset about SLU considering what they didn't do away from home.
I disagree.
I would have SLU in ahead of Wichita St., Utah State, Syracuse, Drake. etc..for example Drake's only top 96 NET win is Loyola.
SLU had one loss pre-covid, and was considered a top 5 seed for some time. They sat 33 days, no practice, nothing. Then they played a few days later. It's okay to take injuries into account but not COVID-19? Net rankings count, but only some or only up to a point. The goalposts keep moving.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 14, 2021, 10:33:38 PM5 teams you're rooting for outside of the BEast?
1) Gonzaga: Perfection is 0-for-life in my time on this earth. I want to see an undefeated National Champ, and no undefeated champ would be more of an underdog than Gonzaga.
2) Alabama: I like Nate Oats and his teams are terribly fun to watch.
3) Oklahoma State: Cade Cunningham is a blast to watch. Hope they are playing the second weekend.
4) North Carolina: They're playing Wisconsin.
5) UNC-Greensboro: I don't see how they beat FSU, but they were the biggest snub of 2019 IMO so I'd love to see them make a run.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 14, 2021, 10:33:38 PM5 teams you can't stand and are hoping for an early exit?
1) Iowa: I don't like Fran McCaffrey and don't like teams that don't really play defense.
2) Wisconsin: They're Wisconsin.
3) Syracuse: They don't belong in the field, so watch Boeheim's zone make an annoying Elite 8 run. I just want them to lose early, but when they're supposed to, they never do.
4) Michigan State: I'm fine with Joey Hauser getting a First Four Facial and bowing out early again.
5) Liberty: F**k Liberty.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2021, 10:58:18 PM
1) Gonzaga: Perfection is 0-for-life in my time on this earth. I want to see an undefeated National Champ, and no undefeated champ would be more of an underdog than Gonzaga.
2) Alabama: I like Nate Oats and his teams are terribly fun to watch.
3) Oklahoma State: Cade Cunningham is a blast to watch. Hope they are playing the second weekend.
4) North Carolina: They're playing Wisconsin.
5) UNC-Greensboro: I don't see how they beat FSU, but they were the biggest snub of 2019 IMO so I'd love to see them make a run.
1) Iowa: I don't like Fran McCaffrey and don't like teams that don't really play defense.
2) Wisconsin: They're Wisconsin.
3) Syracuse: They don't belong in the field, so watch Boeheim's zone make an annoying Elite 8 run. I just want them to lose early, but when they're supposed to, they never do.
4) Michigan State: I'm fine with Joey Hauser getting a First Four Facial and bowing out early again.
5) Liberty: F**k Liberty.
Interesting. I think I would go with:
Gonzaga
Loyola-Chi
San Diego St.
Ohio U.
Alabama
As for the five I'm hoping for an early death?
Wisconsin
Mich St
UNC
Syracuse
Iona
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 14, 2021, 11:14:12 PM
Interesting. I think I would go with:
Gonzaga
Loyola-Chi
San Diego St.
Ohio U.
Alabama
As for the five I'm hoping for an early death?
Wisconsin
Mich St
UNC
Syracuse
Iona
Ohio was on my short list...Jason Preston is fun. Iona I'd love to see make a Sweet 16 run, if only so Pitino can thumb his nose at the NCAA. Though Alabama in the first round is a really tough opening draw. Houston or Iowa, maybe, but not sure about 'Bama.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2021, 11:19:41 PM
Ohio was on my short list...Jason Preston is fun. Iona I'd love to see make a Sweet 16 run, if only so Pitino can thumb his nose at the NCAA. Though Alabama in the first round is a really tough opening draw. Houston or Iowa, maybe, but not sure about 'Bama.
Pitino is obviously a phenomenal coach but I dislike him. Although if he was coaching MU I could conceivably come around.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 14, 2021, 10:33:38 PM
5 teams you're rooting for outside of the BEast?
5 teams you can't stand and are hoping for an early exit?
Rooting for:
1. Iona (I'm into the controversy, funny they are in and not Louisville)
2. Oregon State (trash program, picked last)
3. Georgia Tech (Alvarado is fun to watch)
4. Oklahoma State (it would help our NET ranking)
5. Alabama (Nate Oats is a cool dude)
**these are in no particular order
Rooting against:
1. Wisconsin (in state rival, in my nature)
2. Loyola (jealous of them)
3. Michigan State (like to see Joey lose)
4. Baylor (they don't deserve a good team)
5. Illinois (rather not see a big 10 team win?)
***I don't feel too strongly about any other than Bucky though
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 14, 2021, 11:27:41 PM
Rooting for:
1. Iona (I%u2019m into the controversy, funny they are in and not Louisville)
2. Oregon State (trash program, picked last)
3. Georgia Tech (Alvarado is fun to watch)
4. Oklahoma State (it would help our NET ranking)
5. Alabama (Nate Oats is a cool dude)
**these are in no particular order
Rooting against:
1. Wisconsin (in state rival, in my nature)
2. Loyola (jealous of them)
3. Michigan State (like to see Joey lose)
4. Baylor (they don%u2019t deserve a good team)
5. Illinois (rather not see a big 10 team win?)
***I don%u2019t feel too strongly about any other than Bucky though
I'm concerned the 20 yr streak could be broken by the B14. They have three really good teams assuming Livers can play. As for the BEast I think both Nova and CU are vulnerable because of some to tough luck. We could easily go 0-4 as a conf which would be rather upsetting.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 14, 2021, 11:45:24 PM
I'm concerned the 20 yr streak could be broken by the B14. They have three really good teams assuming Livers can play. As for the BEast I think both Nova and CU are vulnerable because of some to tough luck. We could easily go 0-4 as a conf which would be rather upsetting.
I guess it would be cool for the BE to have some success, but honesty I'm not that into the BE teams this year (coming from someone who typically roots hard for them). It just hits different rooting for conference when you are a literal bottom feeder.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 14, 2021, 11:48:43 PM
I guess it would be cool for the BE to have some success, but honesty I'm not that into the BE teams this year (coming from someone who typically roots hard for them). It just hits different rooting for conference when you are a literal bottom feeder.
Ya....it does kind of suck. Especially this year being a b-feeder. It has not been a good year for the BEast.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 14, 2021, 10:33:38 PM
5 teams you're rooting for outside of the BEast?
5 teams you can't stand and are hoping for an early exit?
Rooting for
1. Michigan - my brother went there
2. Iowa - my sister went there
3. UNC - they play WI and I heard they are MU's greatest victory since 1977
4. Virginia - I want Sam to have more tourney wins than Wojo
5. Gonzaga - an undefeated season would be cool to see
Rooting against
1. Wisconsin - need I say more?
2. MI St - besides being a rival of MI, Joey Hauser is annoying as f*ck
3. Ohio St - yuck
4. Baylor - they cheat, right?
5. Kansas - not over 2003
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2021, 06:44:52 PM
Of the 90 brackets on bracketmatrix, only 3 got all 68 teams right. I'm guessing I'll be somewhere in the middle. The vast majority had Louisville in, but most also got Syracuse. I feel okay, but after Utah State was announced as in, I thought for sure Syracuse was out and I had 67/68, which I would've been much happier with. The Orange were a shock for sure, especially avoiding the Last 4.
It seems in the last decade or so Syracuse has often surprised that they got in and with a higher seed than expected.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2021, 09:19:06 AM
We've updated the S-Curve with last night's developments. Georgetown and Oregon State steal bids from Xavier and Mississippi. We're down to 6 teams for 3 spots, with Cincinnati lurking as another bid thief.
As an aside, it absolutely sucks as a bracketologist to get suspended by Twitter for using the term "name recognition" referring to Syracuse on Selection Sunday just hours before the reveal because apparently that's posting someone's private information.
Oh well, here's the updates:
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2021/03/selection-sunday-take-1.html?m=1
****Scroll down for an updated bracket, as of 3:56 pm.****
How did Georgetown and Oregon St. "steal" bids? Both teams beat everyone they played in their conference tournaments. It isn't like either team became tournament champions because any of their games were forfeits.
Quote from: Tums Festival on March 15, 2021, 06:53:51 AM
How did Georgetown and Oregon St. "steal" bids? Both teams beat everyone they played in their conference tournaments. It isn't like either team became tournament champions because any of their games were forfeits.
They were not in the field based on their body of work during the regular season. In winning the auto-bids, they knocked out teams that were in the field based on their body of work during the regular season (Louisville and CSU). Because of that, their wins stole bids from teams that had better resumes than they did.
But everyone knows what bid thieves are and how bid thieves work, so I'm not even sure this is an honest question.
Rooting for
Loyola
UNC (Bucky)
Virginia (Sam)
WVU/Iona (jerk coaches I like)
Illinois/Gonzaga/Alabama (fun to watch)
Rooting against
Wisconsin
Michigan St (Joey)
Iowa (jerk coach I don't like)
Liberty (Liberty)
Finished 58 out of 203 brackets on Bracket Matrix. 66/68 teams right, 49 seeded exactly, 61 within one seed line. Did better than Lunardi or Palm. What hurt most was that the first two out (Louisville & Colorado State) were in my field while I had Syracuse & Utah State out.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2021, 04:23:49 PM
Finished 58 out of 203 brackets on Bracket Matrix. 66/68 teams right, 49 seeded exactly, 61 within one seed line. Did better than Lunardi or Palm. What hurt most was that the first two out (Louisville & Colorado State) were in my field while I had Syracuse & Utah State out.
Nice job man. Fun following your work.
Does Belmont have a justified beef with the selection committee?
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/belmont-snubbed-ncaa-mens-basketball-tournament
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 15, 2021, 05:45:26 PM
Does Belmont have a justified beef with the selection committee?
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/belmont-snubbed-ncaa-mens-basketball-tournament
Here's a solution: beat Morehead State in the conference tournament.
Alternative solution: get in a better conference.
Losses to Samford, East Kentucky, and Morehead State 2x with ZERO games against P6 teams all season doesnt warrant an NCAA bid.
Belmont would be a good NIT add. Fun team. Casey Alexander has taken Lipscomb to the NIT Finals before.
Sometimes people get a little carried away with some of these things. The Big Ten had a great year with a lot of great teams. But even the Big 10 I believe had a top four team non-conference record of 2-3 vs NCAA Tourney teams.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 15, 2021, 05:45:26 PM
Does Belmont have a justified beef with the selection committee?
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/belmont-snubbed-ncaa-mens-basketball-tournament
With the NIT Selection Committee, yes. With the NCAA Committee? No. It sucks that Belmont lost Q1 & Q2 opportunities, but losing their last 2 regular season games killed any at-large hopes. If they're 28-2, they have a legit case.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 14, 2021, 10:33:38 PM
5 teams you're rooting for outside of the BEast?
5 teams you can't stand and are hoping for an early exit?
Rooting for outside the Big East.
1) UNC in round 1
2) St. Bonnie's
3) Cleveland State
4) USC
5) Liberty
Can't stand
1) Syracuse
2) Oklahoma State
3) Kansas
4) Baylor
5) Florida
A member of Georgia Tech's travel party tested positive for COVID-19. They are still planning to play their game.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 16, 2021, 12:52:18 PM
A member of Georgia Tech's travel party tested positive for COVID-19. They are still planning to play their game.
It will be interesting to see how this works out. It's my understanding that after 6pm ET tonight, no team will be replaced, and if you can't play starting Fri/Sat your opponent is simply advanced.
I understand the deadline for conference tourney winners (though I'd argue logistics could have worked for a Wed EOB deadline), but for at large teams - it seems the 4 replacement teams could be on site and jump in any time before tourney starts Friday.
In addition, if Georgia Tech opted out, they would be replaced by Louisville, which would keep any NCAA credits earned in the ACC. Not sure what they'll do, but if they or Virginia let the next team up in, they would at least be helping their own league in the process.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 16, 2021, 01:12:59 PM
In addition, if Georgia Tech opted out, they would be replaced by Louisville, which would keep any NCAA credits earned in the ACC. Not sure what they'll do, but if they or Virginia let the next team up in, they would at least be helping their own league in the process.
That'$ al$o an intere$ting way to think about it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 16, 2021, 01:12:59 PM
In addition, if Georgia Tech opted out, they would be replaced by Louisville, which would keep any NCAA credits earned in the ACC. Not sure what they'll do, but if they or Virginia let the next team up in, they would at least be helping their own league in the process.
No way GT or Virginia would opt out to preserve potential credits (assuming the replacement wins a game or more). They'll do everything in their power to keep their own hopes alive, even if they have to play with reduced rosters.
Even the 1 bid leagues (since their replacement would also come from their conference) would do whatever they could to play.
De'Vion Harmon, Oklahoma's 2nd leading scorer, has tested positive for COVID-19. He will miss the first two rounds of the NCAA Tourney.
No close contacts, which I find a bit suspicious. I wonder if this goes the way of the NFL and they just power through unless you are positive.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 17, 2021, 03:49:14 PM
No close contacts, which I find a bit suspicious. I wonder if this goes the way of the NFL and they just power through unless you are positive.
That does sound odd. How does a BB player not have close contact with his teammates? Does OU become the first team to withdraw after they get another slew of positives once they're in Indy?