Greetings,
First time poster. Long time Reader.
As the leaves fall on another disappointing Marquette season we eye a long dark winter of despair with a growing ambivalence of the state of affairs for Marquette Basketball. I am concerned that the University is in financial trouble. Vertiginous tuition rise, declining birth rate, less enthusiasm for the traditional four year college prurience/undergrad degree, a surplus of private colleges offering similar experiences, and of course COVID have all coalesced to hinder enrollment.
As an out of state alum my interest in the school was sparked by the D-wade era of excellent basketball and NCAA tourney runs. My tenure at the school saw great success with the HOOPS team under Buzz Williams leading to 5 straight NCAA tourneys and culminating in an elite 8 run.
My primary concern is that now more than ever Marquette needs an exciting and at least competitive B Ball team to keep people interested in attending the school. Marquette is an excellent school that provides a great education/social experience and that has a lot more to offer than just basketball, but without a viable team many students probably won't jump at the opportunity to attend in my opinion.
In summary, I think Marquette needs to end the WOJO experiment and move in a new direction for the good of the university. Curious what your thoughts are. Lets not forget his all time coaching record in the big east conference : 59–68 (46.5%). And to to the WOJO Defenders, what are the compelling reasons to keep him here?
comparatively for all coaches who have been there since start of new BE 2013
( providence) ED COOLEY 92–89 (50.1)
(Creighton) Greg Mcdermott (82–63 (56.6)
(nova) Jay wright 217–115 (65.4)
(SH) Kevin Willard 94-105 (47.2)
Depaul Dave Leiato 51–102 (.333)
Former x coach (included bc 5 season sample size) Chris MAck1 05–49 (.682)
Ill hang up and listen.
Greetings new poster, but this is the 153rd Wojo thread. I am sure you have read the same position/analysis discussed.
Thanks for the thoughtful initial post. Was interesting to hear that the Basketball program during the D Wade era sparked your interest in MU. Also nice to know you had a good experience.
Hopefully , The Athletic Department and Administration will take into account the view point of individuals, like You, who have meaningful ties to the University.
MU needs the men's basketball program to be successful, now more than ever. It is the best advertising tool they have on a national basis. I will never say it is now or never, but I would not let grass grow under my feet if I was Lovell and his posse.
Basketball lost ~10 million because of covid attendance restrictions
University enrollment down ~30%
Wojo buyout ~2.5 million shouldn't be difficult if you buy in that a great basketball team helps the above metrics
Marquette, fiserv and bucks and the big East could attract a big time coach if Marquette so desires
Go big!
Quote from: Boston Warrior on March 11, 2021, 03:00:49 PM
Basketball lost ~10 million because of covid attendance restrictions
University enrollment down ~30%
Wojo buyout ~2.5 million shouldn't be difficult if you buy in that a great basketball team helps the above metrics
Marquette, fiserv and bucks and the big East could attract a big time coach if Marquette so desires
Go big!
Things we said last time?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 11, 2021, 03:02:12 PM
Things we said last time?
To be fair, I don't think Fiserv was very far along or more than a thought at the Time Wojo was hired.
I think the $2.5M number is much lower than the actual number. If it was $2.5M, I think they'd actually fire him.
Quote from: JimsTimeOutFan on March 11, 2021, 02:03:14 PM
Greetings,
First time poster. Long time Reader.
As the leaves fall on another disappointing Marquette season we eye a long dark winter of despair with a growing ambivalence of the state of affairs for Marquette Basketball. I am concerned that the University is in financial trouble. Vertiginous tuition rise, declining birth rate, less enthusiasm for the traditional four year college prurience/undergrad degree, a surplus of private colleges offering similar experiences, and of course COVID have all coalesced to hinder enrollment.
As an out of state alum my interest in the school was sparked by the D-wade era of excellent basketball and NCAA tourney runs. My tenure at the school saw great success with the HOOPS team under Buzz Williams leading to 5 straight NCAA tourneys and culminating in an elite 8 run.
My primary concern is that now more than ever Marquette needs an exciting and at least competitive B Ball team to keep people interested in attending the school. Marquette is an excellent school that provides a great education/social experience and that has a lot more to offer than just basketball, but without a viable team many students probably won't jump at the opportunity to attend in my opinion.
In summary, I think Marquette needs to end the WOJO experiment and move in a new direction for the good of the university. Curious what your thoughts are. Lets not forget his all time coaching record in the big east conference : 59–68 (46.5%). And to to the WOJO Defenders, what are the compelling reasons to keep him here?
comparatively for all coaches who have been there since start of new BE 2013
( providence) ED COOLEY 92–89 (50.1)
(Creighton) Greg Mcdermott (82–63 (56.6)
(nova) Jay wright 217–115 (65.4)
(SH) Kevin Willard 94-105 (47.2)
Depaul Dave Leiato 51–102 (.333)
Former x coach (included bc 5 season sample size) Chris MAck1 05–49 (.682)
Ill hang up and listen.
Hmm....you really think most students pick MU because of the basketball program? If so that is pretty sad. I know I didn't.
Quote from: Goose on March 11, 2021, 02:25:12 PM
MU needs the men's basketball program to be successful, now more than ever. It is the best advertising tool they have on a national basis. I will never say it is now or never, but I would not let grass grow under my feet if I was Lovell and his posse.
The basketball program is MU's primary PR tool, but if you want change Wojo is not the only one that should go; Lovell should get the boot as well. The season is over what are they waiting for.
warrior69
I would like to Lovell replaced every bit as much as I want Wojo booted. I agree with your assessment.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 11, 2021, 04:04:45 PM
Hmm....you really think most students pick MU because of the basketball program? If so that is pretty sad.
I agree it shouldn't be a deciding factor, but it most certainly is a factor. Social life is a huge consideration and without a football team, MU leans heavily on hoops as their marketing tool. With hoops down the drain, that's one less factor high schoolers may consider when looking at school.
Quote from: Boston Warrior on March 11, 2021, 03:00:49 PM
Basketball lost ~10 million because of covid attendance restrictions
University enrollment down ~30%
Wojo buyout ~2.5 million shouldn't be difficult if you buy in that a great basketball team helps the above metrics
Marquette, fiserv and bucks and the big East could attract a big time coach if Marquette so desires
Go big!
Where did you get that number?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 11, 2021, 04:04:45 PM
Hmm....you really think most students pick MU because of the basketball program? If so that is pretty sad. I know I didn't.
No- not because of it. But it's an attractive feature that makes Marquette stand out among other private Midwestern schools. It also provides school spirit, a social outlet, and pride. And lastly, success on the court increases publicity for the school which May open the door for students who had not heard of mU before. If your deciding between one 40K tution private Midwestern catholic school and the other and you maybe you'll pick the one with the better basketball team and more chance to have fun and enjoy the college athletic experience (as another poster pointed out no football) in any case- to offer a peremptory rejection of that that argument is foolish! In my opinion
Here is an idea, to save face on the budgetary front as that is a problem at MU right now and everyone says the buyout is what is forcing MU's hand. MU just lays Wojo off as part of the layoffs/budget cuts. Most people won't care or even know about the buyout. They hire a slightly less expensive coach - if that is possible - and they claim all of it is in terms of cost savings but we really know why. A little easier to save face and make the decision. Especially if the buyout could be donor funded.
Not sure I want Wojo to leave myself, kind of like him and think the future will be bright, but an idea...
Grew up on the east coast and had never really heard of MU until I saw them on TV playing in the NCAA tourney. A small Jesuit school that can hoop (just like my high school) made me look into it more. I ended up choosing MU when the bball program served as the tie-breaker; the way it impacted school spirit and alumni pride were things I wanted to be a part of. And it played out the way I hoped--I'm very, very glad I chose MU, for many reasons that extend beyond basketball. But it wouldn't have happened in the first place without basketball.
Quote from: THEbig0 on March 11, 2021, 04:43:30 PM
Here is an idea, to save face on the budgetary front as that is a problem at MU right now and everyone says the buyout is what is forcing MU's hand. MU just lays Wojo off as part of the layoffs/budget cuts. Most people won't care or even know about the buyout. They hire a slightly less expensive coach - if that is possible - and they claim all of it is in terms of cost savings but we really know why. A little easier to save face and make the decision. Especially if the buyout could be donor funded.
Not sure I want Wojo to leave myself, kind of like him and think the future will be bright, but an idea...
0% chance that isn't covered in his contract which probably states that if they end his employment for any reason other than criminal and maybe conduct unbecoming an employee he gets the buyout. Depending on the 'conduct unbecoming' he'd probably get the buyout anyway. It would be easier to put a dead hooker in his hotel room than it would be to lay him off to avoid the buyout.
100% chance even casual fans know that there is a buyout clause in his contract
End all the speculation, excuses and other extraneous Bull shice about Wojo-Dukiet. He has taken the program into a deep slide. We are now no better than a mid major. AT BEST.
Cut bait, There is nothing left to talk about.
Quote from: Goose on March 11, 2021, 02:25:12 PM
MU needs the men's basketball program to be successful, now more than ever. It is the best advertising tool they have on a national basis. I will never say it is now or never, but I would not let grass grow under my feet if I was Lovell and his posse.
I second Goose. Wojo is a nice guy but he is not a successful coach. Seven years is plenty of time for him to prove his case. It is time to move on. We must find a dominant coach who hates to lose fiercely.
Michigan state with new college ground now sponsored by rocket mortgage...
Marquette golden eagles presented by Baird, or northwestern life is probably not far behind!
Why does everyone say Wojo's a nice guy? What are you basing that off of? In terms of coaching archetypes, he fits the bland jock mold. To me, he doesn't seem any "nicer" than any other coach.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 11, 2021, 06:53:27 PM
Why does everyone say Wojo's a nice guy? What are you basing that off of? In terms of coaching archetypes, he fits the bland jock mold. To me, he doesn't seem any "nicer" than any other coach.
Comes off as a prick in some interviews and post games, too. A lot of it is his image, IMO. He's a pretty boy, so he's automatically a greet ambassador for MU.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 11, 2021, 06:29:19 PM
End all the speculation, excuses and other extraneous Bull shice about Wojo-Dukiet. He has taken the program into a deep slide. We are now no better than a mid major. AT BEST.
Cut bait, There is nothing left to talk about.
A mid major like Gonzaga?
We are on par with Gonzaga....this is worse than I thought. Thanks Mazos.
Quote from: JimsTimeOutFan on March 11, 2021, 02:03:14 PM
Greetings,
First time poster. Long time Reader.
As the leaves fall on another disappointing Marquette season we eye a long dark winter of despair with a growing ambivalence of the state of affairs for Marquette Basketball. I am concerned that the University is in financial trouble. Vertiginous tuition rise, declining birth rate, less enthusiasm for the traditional four year college prurience/undergrad degree, a surplus of private colleges offering similar experiences, and of course COVID have all coalesced to hinder enrollment.
As an out of state alum my interest in the school was sparked by the D-wade era of excellent basketball and NCAA tourney runs. My tenure at the school saw great success with the HOOPS team under Buzz Williams leading to 5 straight NCAA tourneys and culminating in an elite 8 run.
My primary concern is that now more than ever Marquette needs an exciting and at least competitive B Ball team to keep people interested in attending the school. Marquette is an excellent school that provides a great education/social experience and that has a lot more to offer than just basketball, but without a viable team many students probably won't jump at the opportunity to attend in my opinion.
In summary, I think Marquette needs to end the WOJO experiment and move in a new direction for the good of the university. Curious what your thoughts are. Lets not forget his all time coaching record in the big east conference : 59–68 (46.5%). And to to the WOJO Defenders, what are the compelling reasons to keep him here?
comparatively for all coaches who have been there since start of new BE 2013
( providence) ED COOLEY 92–89 (50.1)
(Creighton) Greg Mcdermott (82–63 (56.6)
(nova) Jay wright 217–115 (65.4)
(SH) Kevin Willard 94-105 (47.2)
Depaul Dave Leiato 51–102 (.333)
Former x coach (included bc 5 season sample size) Chris MAck1 05–49 (.682)
Ill hang up and listen.
Buyout is more than double $2.5M.
Where are all these WOJO Defenders? If Scoop still has a half-dozen of them, I couldn't name them.
Thank goodness we have another thread to join the previous 533 "fire Wojo" threads.
Make sure you get your Arby's Corned Beef Reuben for St. Paddy's.
Quote from: MU82 on March 11, 2021, 07:22:25 PM
Buyout is more than double $2.5M.
If that's true, and I shudder to think it is, I hope all the big swinging dicks in the meat summit/underboard are prepared to voltron a massive cash pile to get this S.O.B. outta here ASAP and save the program.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 11, 2021, 04:04:45 PM
Hmm....you really think most students pick MU because of the basketball program? If so that is pretty sad. I know I didn't.
I'm a 1977 MU grad who grew up in western New York state. If not for McGuire & his highly ranked teams, I never would have heard of MU. Basketball wasn't the main reason I ultimately picked MU. But I would not have looked into what academic programs MU offered if I hadn't become a Warrior fan as a high school freshman.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on March 11, 2021, 07:38:08 PM
If that's true, and I shudder to think it is, I hope all the big swinging dicks in the meat summit/underboard are prepared to voltron a massive cash pile to get this S.O.B. outta here ASAP and save the program.
Who, after Hausershima in 2019, had the GALL to write a contract extension and give Blojo that much leverage. As George Bluth would say, "I've got the worst f*****g lawyers"
Quote from: WarriorHal on March 11, 2021, 07:41:45 PM
I'm a 1977 MU grad who grew up in western New York state. If not for McGuire & his highly ranked teams, I never would have heard of MU. Basketball wasn't the main reason I ultimately picked MU. But I would not have looked into what academic programs MU offered if I hadn't become a Warrior fan as a high school freshman.
Western New Yorker here. Wade's freshman year was my senior year of HS and it absolutely tipped the scales for me to pick MU. Those who think it doesn't matter are delusional.
There are many things that could be done to convenience wojo to leave MU. Cut his budget to near zero would be a good start.
Quote from: WarriorHal on March 11, 2021, 07:41:45 PM
I'm a 1977 MU grad who grew up in western New York state. If not for McGuire & his highly ranked teams, I never would have heard of MU. Basketball wasn't the main reason I ultimately picked MU. But I would not have looked into what academic programs MU offered if I hadn't become a Warrior fan as a high school freshman.
It was the opposite for me. I became a basketball fan while at Marquette. As a freshman if we bought season tickets the price was grandfathered for our 4 years at MU. I paid $64 for two reserved seats for all 4 years.
I picked MU because of the campus visit. The tour guide was cool and the freshmen who put me up for the night got me drunk. The second night, the different people I was staying with scavenged a pair of basketball shoes and we played hoops until one in the morning. MU was the place for me after that.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on March 11, 2021, 07:51:04 PM
Western New Yorker here. Wade's freshman year was my senior year of HS and it absolutely tipped the scales for me to pick MU. Those who think it doesn't matter are delusional.
I would expect some here on Scoop to share your experience and would concede that some students chose MU because of the basketball program; but I would bet
most students picked MU because it was the right fit academically for them. Growing up in New Jersey I never heard of Marquette until my cousin from Indiana a foreign language major at Marquette took a year to study french at the Sorbonne came to visit us before she departed for Europe.
Quote from: Steve Buscemi on March 11, 2021, 07:45:07 PM
Who, after Hausershima in 2019, had the GALL to write a contract extension and give Blojo that much leverage. As George Bluth would say, "I've got the worst f*****g lawyers"
He recieved a standard extension with a buyout in line with the market. MU can pay it in a normal year. In a COVID year? Maybe not. Unforeseeable at the time
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 11, 2021, 09:12:49 PM
He recieved a standard extension with a buyout in line with the market. MU can pay it in a normal year. In a COVID year? Maybe not. Unforeseeable at the time
But Wojo held no cards whatsoever. Why give him a buyout in-line with the market? Why not offer him an extension with no buyout, or an under-market-value buyout? Was there a legitimate concern he'd bolt? If he did did we really think it would hurt our program that much?
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 11, 2021, 09:15:35 PM
But Wojo held no cards whatsoever. Why give him a buyout in-line with the market? Why not offer him an extension with no buyout, or an under-market-value buyout? Was there a legitimate concern he'd bolt? If he did did we really think it would hurt our program that much?
I'm having trouble believing you're not a P6 athletic director or university president.
You should get your name out there!
Quote from: MU82 on March 11, 2021, 09:19:40 PM
I'm having trouble believing you're not a P6 athletic director or university president.
You should get your name out there!
As if the one at MU has done well for the basketball program in his tenure?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 11, 2021, 08:50:51 PM
I would expect some here on Scoop to share your experience and would concede that some students chose MU because of the basketball program; but I would bet most students picked MU because it was the right fit academically for them. Growing up in New Jersey I never heard of Marquette until my cousin from Indiana a foreign language major at Marquette took a year to study french at the Sorbonne came to visit us before she departed for Europe.
Agreed it's not the reason for everyone, or even the majority. But for a school with enrollment problems, a moribund flagship program is going to tip less scales in your favor. Not good. Needs a reboot badly, for the overall University's sake.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 11, 2021, 09:21:55 PM
As if the one at MU has done well for the basketball program in his tenure?
I'm not close enough to the situation nor privy to enough inside information to judge.
Quote from: MU82 on March 11, 2021, 10:29:14 PM
I'm not close enough to the situation nor privy to enough inside information to judge.
Wojo has been employed 7 years. Scholl has been employed 7 years. MUBB is under .500 in Big East play with 0 NCAA tournament wins during that span. Stop trying to make it more complicated than it is.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 11, 2021, 04:04:45 PM
Hmm....you really think most students pick MU because of the basketball program? If so that is pretty sad. I know I didn't.
It helps.
In my case, MU was already on my radar because of a colleague of my dad but I'd first heard of it thanks to basketball. Others schools I was considering out of my home state I also learned of thanks to basketball (Evansville, Xavier). This was 1993, no internet. MU's hoops success that year got me to look closer. What my parents saw was a higher ranked, more selective, and academically rigorous school than the in-state school they were hoping I'd attend (and the other two), with a strong service component, something important to them. In fact, my dad would not let me apply to Xavier while my MU app was pending because, to him, MU was a better school, and harder to get into.
To get kids through the front door you have to get them on the front porch first so they can have a look inside. Hoops (football too) can do that. It's why The Flutie Factor is well known in academic circles.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 11, 2021, 10:34:08 PM
Wojo has been employed 7 years. Scholl has been employed 7 years. MUBB is under .500 in Big East play with 0 NCAA tournament wins during that span. Stop trying to make it more complicated than it is.
Men's basketball isn't MU's only sport. Scholl has made good hires.
Quote from: THEbig0 on March 11, 2021, 04:43:30 PM
Here is an idea, to save face on the budgetary front as that is a problem at MU right now and everyone says the buyout is what is forcing MU's hand. MU just lays Wojo off as part of the layoffs/budget cuts. Most people won't care or even know about the buyout. They hire a slightly less expensive coach - if that is possible - and they claim all of it is in terms of cost savings but we really know why. A little easier to save face and make the decision. Especially if the buyout could be donor funded.
Not sure I want Wojo to leave myself, kind of like him and think the future will be bright, but an idea...
"27 English adjuncts, 12 dental school adjuncts, and Steve Wojo were let go today by Marquette University as the school seeks to reassess their staff needs as a result of declining enrollment."
- 6 pm Milwaukee news cast, 3/19/21
Quote from: BM1090 on March 11, 2021, 10:44:25 PM
Men's basketball isn't MU's only sport. Scholl has made good hires.
The original question was about the men's basketball team. No one is or was talking about other sports. Why does no one read the threads anymore?
Quote from: THEbig0 on March 11, 2021, 04:43:30 PM
Here is an idea, to save face on the budgetary front as that is a problem at MU right now and everyone says the buyout is what is forcing MU's hand. MU just lays Wojo off as part of the layoffs/budget cuts. Most people won't care or even know about the buyout. They hire a slightly less expensive coach - if that is possible - and they claim all of it is in terms of cost savings but we really know why. A little easier to save face and make the decision. Especially if the buyout could be donor funded.
Not sure I want Wojo to leave myself, kind of like him and think the future will be bright, but an idea...
We pay $7+ million now to Wojo then pay $1 to $1.5 million to a new coach and that's not going to be noticed by anyone, especially faculty?
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 11, 2021, 10:34:08 PM
Wojo has been employed 7 years. Scholl has been employed 7 years. MUBB is under .500 in Big East play with 0 NCAA tournament wins during that span. Stop trying to make it more complicated than it is.
I'd have fired him ... but I don't pretend to be qualified to be a D1 athletic director. Glad we have you!
Quote from: MU82 on March 11, 2021, 11:00:47 PM
I'd have fired him ... but I don't pretend to be qualified to be a D1 athletic director. Glad we have you!
I don't think I claimed that, specifically. I just said the one we have now (AD) is not doing well with the men's basketball program. I think we agree on that (seeing as you have made it clear you think the coach should've been fired after DePaul).
Anything else you may have interpreted is, unfortunately, a construct of your imagination.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 11, 2021, 11:11:01 PM
I don't think I claimed that, specifically. I just said the one we have now (AD) is not doing well with the men's basketball program. I think we agree on that.
Anything else you may have interpreted is, unfortunately, a construct of your imagination.
Okey dokey. As I said, I simply don't know enough about the inner workings of the Marquette administration, our budget, the many things Scholl does as part of his job, etc. You apparently do, and I congratulate you for the depth of your knowledge.
Quote from: MU82 on March 11, 2021, 11:16:54 PM
Okey dokey. As I said, I simply don't know enough about the inner workings of the Marquette administration, our budget, the many things Scholl does as part of his job, etc. You apparently do, and I congratulate you for the depth of your knowledge.
Somebody, somewhere, somehow screwed up big time by putting us in this position, 7 years later. Pandemic or not.
Whether you think that's Lovell, Scholl, the BOT, or Wojo's mom - it doesn't really matter. But, as they say, mistakes were made (but not by me). Have a good weekend, 82.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on March 11, 2021, 07:51:04 PM
Western New Yorker here. Wade's freshman year was my senior year of HS and it absolutely tipped the scales for me to pick MU. Those who think it doesn't matter are delusional.
Yep. My son has been accepted to MU and several other schools. He is now deciding between schools based on academic offerings. But make no mistake the men's basketball team will have an influence on his decision. The fact that we have been terrible at the end of the last three seasons and that there is no light at the end of the tunnel will have an effect on his decision. It's just reality.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 11, 2021, 11:20:18 PM
Somebody, somewhere, somehow screwed up big time by putting us in this position, 7 years later. Pandemic or not.
Whether you think that's Lovell, Scholl, the BOT, or Wojo's mom - it doesn't really matter. But, as they say, mistakes were made (but not by me). Have a good weekend, 82.
You too.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on March 11, 2021, 07:38:08 PM
If that's true, and I shudder to think it is, I hope all the big swinging dicks in the meat summit/underboard are prepared to voltron a massive cash pile to get this S.O.B. outta here ASAP and save the program.
If that's true whoever negotiated the contract needs to be fired.
Quote from: MU82 on March 11, 2021, 07:22:25 PM
Buyout is more than double $2.5M.
Where are all these WOJO Defenders? If Scoop still has a half-dozen of them, I couldn't name them.
Thank goodness we have another thread to join the previous 533 "fire Wojo" threads.
Make sure you get your Arby's Corned Beef Reuben for St. Paddy's.
Who writes up such a terrible contract with a double buyout clause? We need smarter negotiators. No wonder the program's in the dumpsters. Were doomed to fail and can't climb out.
Wojo is back, Norlander confirmed...
https://twitter.com/joemccann3/status/1370177581836800001?s=21
Alrighty then. We know what the primary topic of conversation will be for the next year.
Quote from: tower912 on March 12, 2021, 07:18:31 AM
Alrighty then. We know what the primary topic of conversation will be for the next year.
Yay....
I think the problem is that there simply haven't been enough different threads started to really get the administration's attention. Slackers. More 'fire wojo' threads!
Unfückingbelievable.
Here is the deal: If Coach Wojo comes back next year, the university must put a gun to his hid (figuratively and perhaps literally) and ask how things will be different. At issue is how the team will be different, how the program will be different and MOST IMPORTANTLY, how the wins and losses will be different. There must be a clear commitment to a change and Wojo as well as the athletic department has to sell it.
I have my doubts Wojo can do it, much less sell it to the public. If he stays on, Wojo has a HUGE sales job this spring and summer. I'm not sure he has it in him.
The fact is, as other commentators have noted, basketball isn't the reason most folks decide on Marquette, but it builds interest in the school. In our heyday, the perception was that if basketball was THAT good, then the rest of the university must be pretty good as well. We need a stronger basketball program now more than ever.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 12, 2021, 07:37:31 AM
Here is the deal: If Coach Wojo comes back next year, the university must put a gun to his hid (figuratively and perhaps literally) and ask how things will be different. At issue is how the team will be different, how the program will be different and MOST IMPORTANTLY, how the wins and losses will be different. There must be a clear commitment to a change and Wojo as well as the athletic department has to sell it.
I have my doubts Wojo can do it, much less sell it to the public. If he stays on, Wojo has a HUGE sales job this spring and summer. I'm not sure he has it in him.
The fact is, as other commentators have noted, basketball isn't the reason most folks decide on Marquette, but it builds interest in the school. In our heyday, the perception was that if basketball was THAT good, then the rest of the university must be pretty good as well. We need a stronger basketball program now more than ever.
This ☝️
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 12, 2021, 07:37:31 AM
Here is the deal: If Coach Wojo comes back next year, the university must put a gun to his hid (figuratively and perhaps literally) and ask how things will be different. At issue is how the team will be different, how the program will be different and MOST IMPORTANTLY, how the wins and losses will be different. There must be a clear commitment to a change and Wojo as well as the athletic department has to sell it.
I have my doubts Wojo can do it, much less sell it to the public. If he stays on, Wojo has a HUGE sales job this spring and summer. I'm not sure he has it in him.
The fact is, as other commentators have noted, basketball isn't the reason most folks decide on Marquette, but it builds interest in the school. In our heyday, the perception was that if basketball was THAT good, then the rest of the university must be pretty good as well. We need a stronger basketball program now more than ever.
they dont fricken care get it threw ur head. he runs a clean program and puts a bubble team on the court somtimes. thats all that matters. he will be here as long as he wants
Quote from: Johnny B on March 12, 2021, 07:44:18 AM
they dont fricken care get it threw ur head. he runs a clean program and puts a bubble team on the court somtimes. thats all that matters. he will be here as long as he wants
No that is something I don't think is accurate. If next year is like this year, he will be gone.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 12, 2021, 07:48:17 AM
No that is something I don't think is accurate. If next year is like this year, he will be gone.
Yup, all we can hope for between now and summer is that someone lures him away.
fwiw, he should absolutely be fielding those phone calls.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 12, 2021, 07:48:17 AM
No that is something I don't think is accurate. If next year is like this year, he will be gone.
Only because the facade of potential success will be so tainted at that point they won't have a choice.
The admin valued a other items over on court success.
Quote from: NWarsh on March 12, 2021, 07:04:33 AM
Wojo is back, Norlander confirmed...
https://twitter.com/joemccann3/status/1370177581836800001?s=21
Maybe I'm ignorant but why is Norlander's word on the matter gospel?
Quote from: tower912 on March 12, 2021, 07:24:54 AM
I think the problem is that there simply haven't been enough different threads started to really get the administration's attention. Slackers. More 'fire wojo' threads!
Think about it: All off-season long, people will be talking about how much Wojo sucks, and how he shouldn't be our coach anymore. And they'll be spot on, because he does suck, and he shouldn't be our coach anymore. And if there are posters who don't like it, they can simply stop posting on Scoop, or even stop visiting all together. They can easily avoid looking at "fire Wojo" threads, that's for sure.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on March 12, 2021, 07:56:27 AM
Maybe I'm ignorant but why is Norlander's word on the matter gospel?
If wojo was going to be fired, what's the holdup? I mean I guess the people responsible for making that decision have proven to be completely incompetent, but still it makes no sense to delay the announcement if he's going to get fired.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on March 12, 2021, 07:56:27 AM
Maybe I'm ignorant but why is Norlander's word on the matter gospel?
It isn't, he's just reporting what he has heard from his sources. Things can change quickly as we know.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 12, 2021, 07:54:49 AM
Only because the facade of potential success will be so tainted at that point they won't have a choice.
The admin valued a other items over on court success.
???
There was no way Marquette was going to fire Wojo coming off two straight tournament births - and three in four years. (And yes they would have been in the tournament last year.) I could probably count the number of programs who would have fired their head coach with a similar record on one hand.
Quote from: NWarsh on March 12, 2021, 07:04:33 AM
Wojo is back, Norlander confirmed...
https://twitter.com/joemccann3/status/1370177581836800001?s=21
Bummer - I was hoping for a Spring full of Flightaware updates
Should we all take Bad Reporter up on his $1000 bet? I need a stimulus check.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 12, 2021, 08:13:14 AM
Should we all take Bad Reporter up on his $1000 bet? I need a stimulus check.
Oh he hedged on that right after he made the statement.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 12, 2021, 08:01:48 AM
Think about it: All off-season long, people will be talking about how much Wojo sucks, and how he shouldn't be our coach anymore. And they'll be spot on, because he does suck, and he shouldn't be our coach anymore. And if there are posters who don't like it, they can simply stop posting on Scoop, or even stop visiting all together. They can easily avoid looking at "fire Wojo" threads, that's for sure.
Awesome. Mostly agree.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 12, 2021, 08:14:39 AM
Oh he hedged on that right after he made the statement.
I don't know. His last post was pretty definitive. I smell easy money. I hope Without took him up on his offer.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61607.msg1320156#msg1320156
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 12, 2021, 08:05:47 AM
???
There was no way Marquette was going to fire Wojo coming off two straight tournament births - and three in four years. (And yes they would have been in the tournament last year.) I could probably count the number of programs who would have fired their head coach with a similar record on one hand.
I don't know why you chose to put words in my mouth if I was unclear, because I didn't say any of the things you wrote.
They went all-in in the summer of 2019 extension. There was smoke that they chose to ignore and at the press conferences highlighted the items that they valued. The famous three legged stool was introduced by our AD. As we sit here today that was a huge mistake in hindsight. Now they are stuck and as many pointed out - there are few scenarios that result in Wojo being our coach 2 years from today, even if we end up being good next year.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 12, 2021, 08:22:45 AM
I don't know why you chose to put words in my mouth if I was unclear, because I didn't say any of the things you wrote.
They went all-in in the summer of 2019 extension. There was smoke that they chose to ignore and at the press conferences highlighted the items that they valued. The famous three legged stool was introduced by our AD. As we sit here today that was a huge mistake in hindsight. Now they are stuck and as many pointed out - there are few scenarios that result in Wojo being our coach 2 years from today, even if we end up being good next year.
Yeah the extension was a mistake. But that doesn't mean they valued other things than on court success. It just means they had too much faith in the guy to produce that success.
Quote from: Steve Buscemi on March 11, 2021, 06:57:52 PM
Comes off as a prick in some interviews and post games, too. A lot of it is his image, IMO. He's a pretty boy, so he's automatically a greet ambassador for MU.
I can tell you first hand that Wojo is sincerely a good guy and cares deeply about his players. That should not be in dispute.
People can have opinions about his coaching success, but his intentions and commitment are not at issue at all.
I've heard people who have interacted with him outside of basketball have said he's a really nice guy.
I want to root for him and for him to be successful, but the results just aren't there.
No. The on court results are not what anyone wants. But you have to go back to 'why Wojo?' The anti-Buzz. He has been that. Off the court, he has been exactly what the administration wants. And his players have been the representatives that Marquette wants. Pair that with the current financial straights and COVID, for better or worse, he gets another season.
I tried to be Projo through the end of this season but I think I've finally caved. I just hate the uncertainty that is tarnishing Marquette as a brand.
If Minnesota is rumored to be firing Pitino, maybe MU goes for a Slick Rick/Little Richard father-son combo.