Buzz missed a lot on high school players. Who was his biggest miss? Abdel Nader has been in the NBA four years. Bigger miss than Looney, Ulis, Dekker all who he could of had early to varying degrees?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/naderab01.html
Not even close. Nader has turned into a decent pro but he wasn't anything special in college. He was mediocre his first year in Ames and only 12 and 4 in his senior year. Didn't win any all conference honors.
Ulis was SEC POY and a first team AA as a sophomore. Dekker was also much better as a college player.
Branden Dawson wasn't a great pro, but he was a really good college player who Buzz was really close on.
And don't forget the biggest one...Embiid
He missed on Ralph Nader too.
And Swen Na(t)der too...
Embiid
Quote from: tower912 on March 03, 2021, 06:01:55 AM
Embiid
Embiid still pisses me off. Buzz found him and had us in the driver's seat when he was off everyone's radar. That one was because of Luc Mbah a Moute, who was playing for the Bucks at the time. He told Embiid not to come to Milwaukee and instead play for a blue blood.
Nader was a miss, but not that big of one. He was a 13/5 guy as a senior at Iowa State after a couple similar years at NIU. Probably the fifth best guy on a Sweet 16 team. Nader developed more after college.
For me, the biggest miss was Kris Dunn. Dunn called Marquette his dream school, but Buzz didn't pursue because he was all in on Gabe York. By the time York went elsewhere, it was too late to get back on on Dunn and he went to a conference rival.
Buzz was never getting Looney, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 03, 2021, 06:25:58 AM
Buzz was never getting Looney, hey?
I don't think he was ever getting Dekker either.
Jeremy Lamb
Perhaps not technically a "miss," but Jameel McKay definitely was missed.
Every coach has misses. Buzz did great.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 03, 2021, 06:25:58 AM
Buzz was never getting Looney, hey?
No need. Buzz was looney to begin with. Ha!
Quote from: tower912 on March 03, 2021, 07:04:25 AM
Jeremy Lamb
Forgot about that one. That was a big one.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 03, 2021, 06:25:58 AM
Buzz was never getting Looney, hey?
He was not. Charles Matthews was a more realistic miss
Dj newbill
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 03, 2021, 06:49:57 AM
I don't think he was ever getting Dekker either.
Yikes Buzz.
QuoteThere was not one 'blip' on my radar thinking I was going to play high major ball, and that was OK (in) my eyes," Dekker said. "Heck, a few months before this Marquette told me I 'lacked the athleticism for Big East basketball.'"
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sheboyganpress.com/amp/3856343001
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 03, 2021, 09:03:39 AM
Yikes Buzz.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sheboyganpress.com/amp/3856343001
That was just Big East ball, Buzz wasn't talking Big 10 or NCAA tournament obviously.
As the boards resident Abdel Nader expert, wasn't a miss. There were a lot of weird things that happened with his recruitment which led him to Northern Illinois.
He had offers from UCLA, Marquette, Ole Miss just time name a few. He was actually planning on going to prep school for a year but he committed to NIU out of the blue super last minute.
I love Ab and it would have been awesome to see him go to Marquette, but to be honest, he was scrawny and extremely lazy at that time. Like, ridiculously lazy. Took him a few years to find the work ethic he needed to make the league.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 03, 2021, 08:11:02 AM
He was not. Charles Matthews was a more realistic miss
If I remember correctly, he (along with some other recruits) came to that Ohio State game where we finished with about 19 points and lost by ~25
Was Michael Shaer a Buzz or Crean miss?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 03, 2021, 11:03:25 AM
Was Michael Shaer a Buzz or Crean miss?
He was a Buzz recruit, but don't think he was a miss. I think we were all hands on deck for that one and he chose FSU.
I'd call a miss more the ones we didn't pursue hard or at all that were interested in Marquette.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 03, 2021, 06:13:58 AM
Embiid still pisses me off. Buzz found him and had us in the driver's seat when he was off everyone's radar. That one was because of Luc Mbah a Moute, who was playing for the Bucks at the time. He told Embiid not to come to Milwaukee and instead play for a blue blood.
Nader was a miss, but not that big of one. He was a 13/5 guy as a senior at Iowa State after a couple similar years at NIU. Probably the fifth best guy on a Sweet 16 team. Nader developed more after college.
For me, the biggest miss was Kris Dunn. Dunn called Marquette his dream school, but Buzz didn't pursue because he was all in on Gabe York. By the time York went elsewhere, it was too late to get back on on Dunn and he went to a conference rival.
I'm with you on this one. Seemed like you could see it all playing out at the time too.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 03, 2021, 06:49:57 AM
I don't think he was ever getting Dekker either.
Buzz said Dekker wasn't athletic enough. He was wrong about that...but Dekker was soft...certainly by NBA standards.
Quote from: avid1010 on March 03, 2021, 12:44:39 PM
Buzz said Dekker wasn't athletic enough. He was wrong about that...but Dekker was soft...certainly by NBA standards.
He did have a head for the game, though.
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What was Buzz's or the assistants' mentality that they thought telling a local 5 star he wasn't athletic enough was a good idea?
I mean in the very least the guys clearly a ridiculously skilled basketball player that would be worth keeping the door ope with. Did they use some pick up artist "put them down so they want you" concept for recruiting?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 03, 2021, 01:14:58 PM
What was Buzz's or the assistants' mentality that they thought telling a local 5 star he wasn't athletic enough was a good idea?
Here's the story.
https://www.sheboyganpress.com/story/sports/college/2020/12/07/sam-dekker-revisits-wisconsin-recruitment-blog-dekker-post/3856343001/
Buzz was brutally honest, oftentimes to a fault. He wasn't getting major offers, until UW offered him (and he committed) right after his sophomore year. Then he blew up.
The one that Marquette and Wisconsin really missed on was Tyrese Haliburton.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 03, 2021, 01:14:58 PM
What was Buzz's or the assistants' mentality that they thought telling a local 5 star he wasn't athletic enough was a good idea?
I mean in the very least the guys clearly a ridiculously skilled basketball player that would be worth keeping the door ope with. Did they use some pick up artist "put them down so they want you" concept for recruiting?
I don't think Dekker was a 5 star when Marquette still had a shot with him. He committed to Wisconsin going into his junior year of high school (I believe) and I don't think he was thought of as a very top prospect until going into his senior season.
Quote from: BLM on March 03, 2021, 01:23:09 PM
The one that Marquette and Wisconsin really missed on was Tyrese Haliburton.
I don't think Dekker was a 5 star when Marquette still had a shot with him. He committed to Wisconsin going into his junior year of high school (I believe) and I don't think he was thought of as a very top prospect until going into his senior season.
Didn't remember that thanks.
Hearing the guys Buzz missed on and thinking about the ones he got makes me wonder why so many think Woj is such a great recruiter?
Who has woj got that could have seen a Buzz line-up when he was the coach?
Howard -Stan
Hausers- Woj?
Katin- woj
Etc
Not sure if any of wojos recruits could start on anyone of Buzz's teams except his last year.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on March 03, 2021, 02:02:04 PM
Hearing the guys Buzz missed on and thinking about the ones he got makes me wonder why so many think Woj is such a great recruiter?
Who has woj got that could have seen a Buzz line-up when he was the coach?
Howard -Stan
Hausers- Woj?
Katin- woj
Etc
Not sure if any of wojos recruits could start on anyone of Buzz's teams except his last year.
Pretty much any of the PGs could've started over Derrick on the final team
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on March 03, 2021, 02:02:04 PM
Hearing the guys Buzz missed on and thinking about the ones he got makes me wonder why so many think Woj is such a great recruiter?
Who has woj got that could have seen a Buzz line-up when he was the coach?
Howard -Stan
Hausers- Woj?
Katin- woj
Etc
Not sure if any of wojos recruits could start on anyone of Buzz's teams except his last year.
Most Scoopers who don't hate Wojo with every fiber of their being think Wojo has been a decent to good recruiter, not a great one at all. Calipari and Self are "great" recruiters; Wojo ain't that, and neither was Buzz.
Wojo has landed two burger boys, both of whom would have started for Buzz. The Hausers. Markus. Lewis. Theo. Buzz would have loved Sacar. Katin. Probably Cheatham. Probably Rowsey. Buzz probably would have turned Koby into Lockett.
I mean, Buzz started Jake Thomas and Derrick Wilson in the backcourt together for an entire freakin' season. Dwight Burke started an entire season for Buzz. Scoopers hated Lockett for 2 months but Buzz started him. Buzz recruited Mbao. He started Otule for 10 years.
I really liked Buzz when he was our coach, and he obviously was far superior to Wojo, but let's not make believe that Buzz recruited and played only studs.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on March 03, 2021, 02:02:04 PM
Hearing the guys Buzz missed on and thinking about the ones he got makes me wonder why so many think Woj is such a great recruiter?
Who has woj got that could have seen a Buzz line-up when he was the coach?
Howard -Stan
Hausers- Woj?
Katin- woj
Etc
Not sure if any of wojos recruits could start on anyone of Buzz's teams except his last year.
Also something tells me Sandy Cohen would've seen a Buzz line up.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on March 03, 2021, 02:02:04 PM
Hearing the guys Buzz missed on and thinking about the ones he got makes me wonder why so many think Woj is such a great recruiter?
Who has woj got that could have seen a Buzz line-up when he was the coach?
Howard -Stan
Hausers- Woj?
Katin- woj
Etc
Not sure if any of wojos recruits could start on anyone of Buzz's teams except his last year.
I'm pretty confident Hank, Howard, the Hausers, and Dawson could've started for any number of Buzz's teams.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 03, 2021, 11:06:45 AM
He was a Buzz recruit, but don't think he was a miss. I think we were all hands on deck for that one and he chose FSU.
I'd call a miss more the ones we didn't pursue hard or at all that were interested in Marquette.
Gotcha. I was thinking guys we were all in on and missed out on. Makes sense.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 03, 2021, 01:14:58 PM
What was Buzz's or the assistants' mentality that they thought telling a local 5 star he wasn't athletic enough was a good idea?
I mean in the very least the guys clearly a ridiculously skilled basketball player that would be worth keeping the door ope with. Did they use some pick up artist "put them down so they want you" concept for recruiting?
Isn't missing on Dekker the reason he went so hard after Cohen, who was a pretty under the radar small town guy when he committed? Too bad he didn't stick around too.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on March 03, 2021, 02:02:04 PM
Hearing the guys Buzz missed on and thinking about the ones he got makes me wonder why so many think Woj is such a great recruiter?
Who has woj got that could have seen a Buzz line-up when he was the coach?
Howard -Stan
Hausers- Woj?
Katin- woj
Etc
Not sure if any of wojos recruits could start on anyone of Buzz's teams except his last year.
The Elite 8 team was crying for a Markus Howard type.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 03, 2021, 03:14:54 PM
The Elite 8 team was crying for a Markus Howard type.
Could have single handily won that Syracuse game for us shooting over the Zone.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 03, 2021, 03:16:23 PM
Could have single handily won that Syracuse game for us shooting over the Zone.
That's what made that Davidson come back so incredible. Jamil and Vander hit some really tough shots. Granted, we were well below our average 3 Pt % at that point, so they were due.
I guess my questions was more geared toward specifically wojo recruits. Meaning Howard was Stan's guy, I'm pretty sure hausers were wojos, etc
I guess if I play that game than I'd have to do the same with Buzz's recruits and assistant coaches.
I guess buzz was just a superior coach, and could get the most out of his talent unlike his replacement
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on March 03, 2021, 03:31:19 PM
I guess my questions was more geared toward specifically wojo recruits. Meaning Howard was Stan's guy, I'm pretty sure hausers were wojos, etc
So Wojo doesn't get credit for the players his assistant's recruit???
LOL, that's something...
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 03, 2021, 03:32:28 PM
So Wojo doesn't get credit for the players his assistant's recruit???
LOL, that's something...
Never once did I say he doesn't get credit. Not once.
It's a hypothetical game I was trying to play, and that went right over Sultans head.
If we compare Buzz's recruits and wojos recruits. Who was better? That's my question. Not Stan, not Monarch, etc
LOL.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on March 03, 2021, 03:37:37 PM
Never once did I say he doesn't get credit. Not once.
It's a hypothetical game I was trying to play, and that went right over Sultans head.
If we compare Buzz's recruits and wojos recruits. Who was better? That's my question. Not Stan, not Monarch, etc
LOL.
Does Jimmy count as a Fulce recruit?
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on March 03, 2021, 03:37:37 PM
Never once did I say he doesn't get credit. Not once.
It's a hypothetical game I was trying to play, and that went right over Sultans head.
If we compare Buzz's recruits and wojos recruits. Who was better? That's my question. Not Stan, not Monarch, etc
LOL.
Everyone Wojo signs as head coach is a "Wojo recruit."
Wojo is not a good coach. You don't have to play with words to make him seem worse.
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