Here's an excerpt from a Marquette Wire piece dropped today:
In 2022, Brey and Wojciechowski will be reunited on the court. But rather than on the same sideline, they will be coaching against each other. It was announced in November 2019 that Marquette and Brey's Notre Dame Fighting Irish will be renewing their rivalry in a home-and-home series starting in the 2022-23 season.
Link to the full piece: https://marquettewire.org/4048922/sports/a-journey-filled-with-overcoming-adversity-wojciechowskis-beat-the-odds-mentality-from-cardinal-gibbons-to-marquette/
Warning: fluff
Ten years to judge....
It's the student news site, and the game *is* planned. Not some subtle inside information.
But he'll likely be here next year. After that - well, he'd have to win next year.
I don't think Brey or Wojo will be coaching at that game.
Agree with Whitetrash.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 02, 2021, 12:56:04 PM
I don't think Brey or Wojo will be coaching at that game.
By then, maybe Brey will be Marquette's coach and Wojo will be ND's coach!
Only way Wojo is here for that game is if he wins bigly next season.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 02, 2021, 01:09:54 PM
Only way Wojo is here for that game is if he wins bigly next season.
Define that.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 02, 2021, 01:09:54 PM
Only way Wojo is here for that game is if he wins bigly next season.
I feel like people have been saying that for 3-4 years now....
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 02, 2021, 01:10:28 PM
Define that.
Not sure. Suspect the answer is different for you, me, and the admin. But I think all would agree that making the tournament is an absolute minimum. Suspect it is higher than that for all three.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 02, 2021, 01:27:58 PM
I feel like people have been saying that for 3-4 years now....
I can't speak for the board but I certainly haven't been. Personally, I don't think it's been a reasonable statement until this season.
Anybody that doesn't think there is some form of censorship, crafting, wordsmithing, propagandizing, or whatever you want to call it going on with regards to coverage of the men's basketball team: After stumbling on this Wojo puff piece, I stayed on the Marquette Wire website. I cannot, for the life of me, find ONE critical or potentially critical article of MUBB during Wojo's tenure from the Marquette Wire.
Meanwhile, here's a short list of headlines from Buzz's tenure:
"Marquette doesn't deserve to make the NIT"
"Williams departure benefits both parties"
"Forgettable men's basketball season comes to an end"
"Is enthusiasm for Marquette basketball waning?"
Wow. Some hard hitting stuff there for just a little student newspaper. When is Wojo's "is enthusiasm for MUBB waning?" article going to come out?
Call it a conspiracy, but it's just more proof of the administration protecting Wojo.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 02, 2021, 01:42:32 PM
Anybody that doesn't think there is some form of censorship, crafting, wordsmithing, propagandizing, or whatever you want to call it going on with regards to coverage of the men's basketball team: After stumbling on this Wojo puff piece, I stayed on the Marquette Wire website. I cannot, for the life of me, find ONE critical or potentially critical article of MUBB during Wojo's tenure from the Marquette Wire.
Meanwhile, here's a short list of headlines from Buzz's tenure:
"Marquette doesn't deserve to make the NIT"
"Williams departure benefits both parties"
"Forgettable men's basketball season comes to an end"
"Is enthusiasm for Marquette basketball waning?"
Wow. Some hard hitting stuff there for just a little student newspaper. When is Wojo's "is enthusiasm for MUBB waning?" article going to come out?
Call it a conspiracy, but it's just more proof of the administration protecting Wojo.
Shut it down. Post of the year
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 02, 2021, 01:42:32 PM
Anybody that doesn't think there is some form of censorship, crafting, wordsmithing, propagandizing, or whatever you want to call it going on with regards to coverage of the men's basketball team: After stumbling on this Wojo puff piece, I stayed on the Marquette Wire website. I cannot, for the life of me, find ONE critical or potentially critical article of MUBB during Wojo's tenure from the Marquette Wire.
Meanwhile, here's a short list of headlines from Buzz's tenure:
"Marquette doesn't deserve to make the NIT"
"Williams departure benefits both parties"
"Forgettable men's basketball season comes to an end"
"Is enthusiasm for Marquette basketball waning?"
Wow. Some hard hitting stuff there for just a little student newspaper. When is Wojo's "is enthusiasm for MUBB waning?" article going to come out?
Call it a conspiracy, but it's just more proof of the administration protecting Wojo.
That's not really "proof." That's more circumstantial evidence that may or may not be causation v. correlation.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 02, 2021, 01:42:32 PM
Anybody that doesn't think there is some form of censorship, crafting, wordsmithing, propagandizing, or whatever you want to call it going on with regards to coverage of the men's basketball team: After stumbling on this Wojo puff piece, I stayed on the Marquette Wire website. I cannot, for the life of me, find ONE critical or potentially critical article of MUBB during Wojo's tenure from the Marquette Wire.
Meanwhile, here's a short list of headlines from Buzz's tenure:
"Marquette doesn't deserve to make the NIT"
"Williams departure benefits both parties"
"Forgettable men's basketball season comes to an end"
"Is enthusiasm for Marquette basketball waning?"
Wow. Some hard hitting stuff there for just a little student newspaper. When is Wojo's "is enthusiasm for MUBB waning?" article going to come out?
Call it a conspiracy, but it's just more proof of the administration protecting Wojo.
Alternative theory. 3/4 of the articles you posted were by the same author. Maybe they had a critical sportswriter on staff and then he graduated and was replaced by fluffier student journalists (which is most student journalists).
Another alternative theory, 3/4 of those articles were written after Buzz' worst season ended and were days before or after he left for another job. I suspect you will see some more critical articles of Wojo after his worst season (this season) is over and after he leaves for another job/is fired.
Conspiracy.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 02, 2021, 02:15:39 PM
Alternative theory. 3/4 of the articles you posted were by the same author. Maybe they had a critical sportswriter on staff and then he graduated and was replaced by fluffier student journalists (which is most student journalists).
Another alternative theory, 3/4 of those articles were written after Buzz' worst season ended and were days before or after he left for another job. I suspect you will see some more critical articles of Wojo after his worst season (this season) is over and after he leaves for another job/is fired.
no matter how critical they will be called fluff pieces by 5er
Dangerous stuff going on at Marquette. Definitely controlling the media. Fluff pieces. Fluff questions. When will someone finally put some pressure on this Wojo guy?
I'll go as far as to say K is behind all of it. He is not letting his guy take the heat at all. He runs all things college basketball, and he's pampering Wojo by controlling the Milwaukee/Marquette media is ruining Marquette basketball.
FIRE K!
This is hilarious
Does anyone actually read a school newspaper.
Writers better get used to shaping their stories to their corporate overlords' likings anyway, in this day and age.
Small potatoes
Quote from: BLM on March 02, 2021, 02:35:55 PM
Dangerous stuff going on at Marquette. Definitely controlling the media. Fluff pieces. Fluff questions. When will someone finally put some pressure on this Wojo guy?
You finally got there. Nice.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 02, 2021, 02:15:39 PM
Alternative theory. 3/4 of the articles you posted were by the same author. Maybe they had a critical sportswriter on staff and then he graduated and was replaced by fluffier student journalists (which is most student journalists).
Another alternative theory, 3/4 of those articles were written after Buzz' worst season ended and were days before or after he left for another job. I suspect you will see some more critical articles of Wojo after his worst season (this season) is over and after he leaves for another job/is fired.
Yep.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 02, 2021, 01:27:58 PM
I feel like people have been saying that for 3-4 years now....
I feel like none of the people who actually have a part in the decision-making process have been saying it at all. Otherwise, Wojo would already be gone.
Quote from: tower912 on March 02, 2021, 02:21:08 PM
Conspiracy.
You just wait until 5Cent uncovers that Wojo has been running a child-sex ring in the basement of Comet Ping Pong pizza in D.C.
Then we'll see who has the last laugh!
How loony?! Reporters given access to the men's basketball team at the sole discretion of the University are encouraged to stay positive about that very same men's basketball team! My alma mater would never! What crazy conspiracy theory could be next?
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 02, 2021, 03:59:49 PM
How loony?! Reporters given access to the men's basketball team at the sole discretion of the University are encouraged to stay positive about that very same men's basketball team! My alma mater would never! What crazy conspiracy theory could be next?
What you're missing is that saying "Reporters...are encouraged to stay positive about the men's basketball team" is very different from:
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 02, 2021, 01:42:32 PM
Anybody that doesn't think there is some form of censorship, crafting, wordsmithing, propagandizing, or whatever you want to call it going on with regards to coverage of the men's basketball team
Call it a conspiracy, but it's just more proof of the administration protecting Wojo.
I'm sure student reporters are encouraged to stay positive. I'm also certain that that they have always been encouraged to stay positive and that's not unique to Wojo or Marquette. That is not censorship, propagandizing, or protecting Wojo. That's pretty standard media relations.
Sure glad that the Admin, by bringing Wojo-Dukiet back next year has signalled that unacceptable results and mediocrity warrants their blessing. The program is doomed for the abyss because MU basketball is not elite, not even average, but is poor and that is OK with the powers that be. Very, very, very disappointing. Time to downgrade to D3, or at least join the Missouri Valley and be a middle roader in that conference.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 02, 2021, 04:14:44 PM
What you're missing is that saying "Reporters...are encouraged to stay positive about the men's basketball team" is very different from:
I'm sure student reporters are encouraged to stay positive. I'm also certain that that they have always been encouraged to stay positive and that's not unique to Wojo or Marquette. That is not censorship, propagandizing, or protecting Wojo. That's pretty standard media relations.
Where's the MJS article questioning what happened to MUBB? Or the article wondering how this season turned into such an utter disappointment? Or the article dissecting Wojo's tenure through seven(!!!!) years. Seems like something like that could have easily been written at this point. But I don't recall a single critical article from the MJS either. Just milquetoast recap-style pieces that are hard to differentiate from one another.
That's not to say Lovell somehow has editorial powers over the MJS. But I do think it's "understood" that Steele write positive or neutral columns if he wants to continue his access to the team (which is part of him making his bread).
Bitcher, have you been paying attention to local media lately? No one is going to write that story. You want Ben Steele to do that?
It just doesn't happen. Local media will ask hard questions about the professional teams in town and maybe the Badger football team, but even that's doubtful.
What you are complaining about isn't a Marquette issue - it's a media issue.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 02, 2021, 04:31:32 PM
Bitcher, have you been paying attention to local media lately? No one is going to write that story. You want Ben Steele to do that?
It just doesn't happen. Local media will ask hard questions about the professional teams in town and maybe the Badger football team, but even that's doubtful.
What you are complaining about isn't a Marquette issue - it's a media issue.
Thanks for a logical rebuttal. I'll keep an eye out. You might be right.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 02, 2021, 04:28:10 PM
Where's the MJS article questioning what happened to MUBB? Or the article wondering how this season turned into such an utter disappointment? Or the article dissecting Wojo's tenure through seven(!!!!) years. Seems like something like that could have easily been written at this point. But I don't recall a single critical article from the MJS either. Just milquetoast recap-style pieces that are hard to differentiate from one another.
That's not to say Lovell somehow has editorial powers over the MJS. But I do think it's "understood" that Steele write positive or neutral columns if he wants to continue his access to the team (which is part of him making his bread).
Isn't Steele the beat writer? I don't read that newspaper, but do beat writers at the MJS routinely write columns?
Isn't Lori Nickel the sports columnist for the MJS? If so, she's the one who normally would be writing the kind of column you crave.
Why she doesn't, I have no idea ... but I seriously doubt it's because Marquette tells the MJS what columns its sports columnists can write. Nor do I think it is because the MJS sports editor is afraid that if his columnist writes a negative column the newspaper will get shut out of covering Marquette.
If you do not feel there is any chance the MJS will produce the kind of column you crave, I strongly suggest you write a letter to the editor -- or even better, an op-ed piece -- saying exactly what you feel about the Marquette basketball program, Wojo, and administration as it relates to the basketball program.
I am 100% serious.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 02, 2021, 01:10:28 PM
Define that.
I think "trajectory' is key. 8-12 in the BE, 16-15 overall, bubble NIT team will mean Wojo's "trajectory" is once again on the upswing. Seashells and balloons, baby!
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 02, 2021, 04:37:06 PM
Thanks for a logical rebuttal. I'll keep an eye out. You might be right.
To give an extreme but true example, the local paper in Lansing was given multiple tips about Larry Nassar going back years. They never acted on them. Ultimately, an Indianapolis newspaper was the one to break the story because they had no need to stay on MSUs good side.
Companies and institutions have no motivation to give a journalist access to their program if they are going to write negative articles about them. It's not a conspiracy to protect Wojo, it's how media relations works
Why hasn't the MJS put heat on Wojo? Because nobody cares anymore.
Everyone knows this bb program sucks now and the admin is complacent (complicit?) in the face of the program's demise.
The Journal Sentinel doesn't put the heat on Wojo because nobody reads the Journal Sentinel.
That doesn't really make sense. But I'll roll with it.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 02, 2021, 04:53:06 PM
To give an extreme but true example, the local paper in Lansing was given multiple tips about Larry Nassar going back years. They never acted on them. Ultimately, an Indianapolis newspaper was the one to break the story because they had no need to stay on MSUs good side.
Companies and institutions have no motivation to give a journalist access to their program if they are going to write negative articles about them. It's not a conspiracy to protect Wojo, it's how media relations works
It's not how it works at journalistically sound newspapers.
Trouble is, they don't exist anymore.
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 02, 2021, 07:41:20 PM
Trouble is, they don't exist anymore.
Not since the last great one was given the old hEAve ho back in '08.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 02, 2021, 04:44:25 PM
I think "trajectory' is key. 8-12 in the BE, 16-15 overall, bubble NIT team will mean Wojo's "trajectory" is once again on the upswing. Seashells and balloons, baby!
"Duke Lite"
"Sustained Success"
"Compared with K's record at Army"
Hey 5$, it's deleted now, but are you the same guy who, just yesterday, wrote the unhinged post on the Marquette subreddit about Samantha Pfefferle is a far-right groomed crisis actor?
Wish I took a screen-shot, we could have compared grammar.
Quote from: MU82 on March 02, 2021, 04:39:06 PM
Why she doesn't, I have no idea ... but I seriously doubt it's because Marquette tells the MJS what columns its sports columnists can write. Nor do I think it is because the MJS sports editor is afraid that if his columnist writes a negative column the newspaper will get shut out of covering Marquette.
If you do not feel there is any chance the MJS will produce the kind of column you crave, I strongly suggest you write a letter to the editor -- or even better, an op-ed piece -- saying exactly what you feel about the Marquette basketball program, Wojo, and administration as it relates to the basketball program.
I am 100% serious.
Brother MU is right on the money.
Marquette wishes it had that kind of control in Milwaukee. If it did, Wisconsin Avenue would be a pedestrian promenade now rather than a street through the middle of campus.
Gang, I'm going to say it again -- Coach Wojo aint going anywhere this spring, except to the recruiting trail. Between Covid-19, young players and disrupted schedules that put the team on the road for six games, there's enough excuses to keep Coach Wojo firmly in blue and gold until he's 90. Plus, we have a supposedly halfway decent recruiting class coming in this fall.
The tipping point for Coach Wojo will be money. If we have a significant loss of senior ticketholders next summer (likely) and if overall ticket revenue falls (likely) because there's no light at the end of the tunnel (except for that oncoming train), then and only then will the heat under Coach Wojo's seat be turned up. In that vein, I would expect next year's requirement will be at least one and ideally two NCAA tournament wins, plus a really good recruiting class for 2022-2023.
Do I think this could happen? Possibly, if there were some material and noticeable changes.
Therefore, I'd expect three things will happen. First, look for at least one immediately available "transfer-in" who is perceived to be a difference maker. He'll replace Dexter Akanno on the roster and complement Stevie Mitchell and Kameron Jones and hopefully fill the Koby role more consistently and with fewer turnovers. Secondly, look for some coaching turnover. We need a much more solid bench coach than anything we have now and Coach Wojo's butt is soooo on the line that, noon basketball be damned, he'll make the change that matters. Thirdly, I'll expect to see Coach Wojo more into marketing the program. He'll be meeting people, out-front in selling MU basketball and come up with some hook that says, "we're in a new beginning..." Yeah, I know it's crap but if Coach Wojo does not address the revenue decrease, he's out of Milwaukee so fast, he'll leave cheese on his table.
Quote from: TheREALwrk on March 03, 2021, 06:51:30 AM
Hey 5$, it's deleted now, but are you the same guy who, just yesterday, wrote the unhinged post on the Marquette subreddit about Samantha Pfefferle is a far-right groomed crisis actor?
Wish I took a screen-shot, we could have compared grammar.
That thing was absurd
Quote from: MU82 on March 02, 2021, 07:26:00 PM
It's not how it works at journalistically sound newspapers.
I think Mencken died in the 50's
Quote from: BLM on March 02, 2021, 06:36:06 PM
The Journal Sentinel doesn't put the heat on Wojo because nobody reads the Journal Sentinel.
correct. MJS is nothing more than a regional USA Today rag.
Quote from: Marq3332 on March 03, 2021, 09:41:03 AM
correct. MJS is nothing more than a regional USA Today rag.
I don't read anything but the MU sports columns. Overall I think Steele does a good job. He tells it like it is. He is there to report not tell the readers the coach should be fired.
If he was slanting his coverage that way he would have less journalistic integrity not more. Report the facts. Let the reader decide if Wojo should be fired based on those facts.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 03, 2021, 10:28:31 AM
I don't read anything but the MU sports columns. Overall I think Steele does a good job. He tells it like it is. He is there to report not tell the readers the coach should be fired.
If he was slanting his coverage that way he would have less journalistic integrity not more. Report the facts. Let the reader decide if Wojo should be fired based on those facts.
I generally agree with this. Beat writers like Potrykus and Haudricourt absolutely try to slant their coverage to put the Badgers and Brewers in a better light, and it makes them look like hacks. Steele is alright.
Agree with others who've said it's a columnist's job to call for coach firings. I haven't subscribed to the MJS in a while and am not sure if they even have a regular sports columnist anymore.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 03, 2021, 10:41:57 AM
I generally agree with this. Beat writers like Potrykus and Haudricourt absolutely try to slant their coverage to put the Badgers and Brewers in a better light, and it makes them look like hacks. Steele is alright.
Agree with others who've said it's a columnist's job to call for coach firings. I haven't subscribed to the MJS in a while and am not sure if they even have a regular sports columnist anymore.
Disagree on Haudricourt. He has never been afraid to call out the Brewers and the organziation
So are we rooting for Notre Dame and Wisconsin next year against us? Because thatll never happen and any so self respecting MU fan who believes they're playing some long game by hoping to get rid of Wojo wouldn't dare hope to lose those two games.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 03, 2021, 10:43:43 AM
Disagree on Haudricourt. He has never been afraid to call out the Brewers and the organziation
Really? Maybe he's changed but he is the champion of the "the Brewers finances are awful and can't support a $70 million payroll." It seems like he is the Brewers mouthpiece.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 03, 2021, 10:49:20 AM
Really? Maybe he's changed but he is the champion of the "the Brewers finances are awful and can't support a $70 million payroll." It seems like he is the Brewers mouthpiece.
Rosiak and Mccalvy are much better.
Time has passed Haudricourt by.
Quote from: Blackhat on March 02, 2021, 02:43:46 PM
Does anyone actually read a school newspaper.
Scott Walker read it.
The last of the truly critical MJS writers was Bob McGinn who constantly called the Packers on their bullshit.
Silverstein is kind of critical in a soft sort of way.
From ESPN April 6, 2019, Mike Cragg, St John's AD:
"Let me be clear and I said from the start, Coach Mullin is our head coach and we are not looking for another head coach," Cragg said.
April 9, 2019: Mullin resigns
Something similar could be what is going on behind the scenes at Marquette. Let's hope we do not end up with the circus that was on full display when Mullin "resigned". Let's also not be naive.
I was spending the day working with one of my sales reps in DC a number of years ago. Her husband was a Congressman. While we were driving around DC, she asked me about what I had heard about various current political issues. Then, without revealing anything strictly confidential, she said "OK, now here's what's really going on. She then explained the political games being played out in the media (sorry MU 82) and how the stories were carefully constructed for a specific goal.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 03, 2021, 11:25:04 AM
The last of the truly critical MJS writers was Bob McGinn who constantly called the Packers on their bullcrap.
Silverstein is kind of critical in a soft sort of way.
McGinn was a legend whose pieces were incredibly thorough and bordered on investigative journalism. He went above and beyond the call of his position and his writing truly felt like it made a difference in terms of keeping the Packers motivated to stay competitive.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 03, 2021, 10:49:20 AM
Really? Maybe he's changed but he is the champion of the "the Brewers finances are awful and can't support a $70 million payroll." It seems like he is the Brewers mouthpiece.
That's fair. He has reported what they've said without ever questioning it about payroll.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 02, 2021, 04:31:32 PM
Bitcher, have you been paying attention to local media lately? No one is going to write that story. You want Ben Steele to do that?
It just doesn't happen. Local media will ask hard questions about the professional teams in town and maybe the Badger football team, but even that's doubtful.
What you are complaining about isn't a Marquette issue - it's a media issue.
Can we bump this? We didn't get a full blown hit piece but Steele did his part.
FBM do I get an apology or...?
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 03, 2021, 12:39:02 PM
McGinn was a legend whose pieces were incredibly thorough and bordered on investigative journalism. He went above and beyond the call of his position and his writing truly felt like it made a difference in terms of keeping the Packers motivated to stay competitive.
McGinn still does outstanding work for The Athletic.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 03, 2021, 10:41:57 AM
I generally agree with this. Beat writers like Potrykus and Haudricourt absolutely try to slant their coverage to put the Badgers and Brewers in a better light, and it makes them look like hacks. Steele is alright.
Even calling Potrykus a beat writer is generous. Dude is such an absurd shill. He makes Dodds look fair and balanced
Quote from: MU82 on March 02, 2021, 07:26:00 PM
It's not how it works at journalistically sound newspapers.
The local press in North Carolina wrote lots of stories about the issues UNC was having. They still get access.
The local papers covering MSU have always been apologists for various misdeeds for at least 50 years .