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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: geps on February 16, 2021, 02:43:06 PM

Title: Who Takes Good Shots and Who Has Good Shooters?
Post by: geps on February 16, 2021, 02:43:06 PM
From Fifth Factor Plots:

I was shocked at MU's placement-on both accounts.
Title: Re: Who Takes Good Shots and Who Has Good Shooters?
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on February 16, 2021, 03:19:07 PM
last place i looked
Title: Re: Who Takes Good Shots and Who Has Good Shooters?
Post by: The Sultan on February 16, 2021, 03:25:09 PM
Just remember that a small logo means a smaller data set.
Title: Re: Who Takes Good Shots and Who Has Good Shooters?
Post by: MuggsyB on February 16, 2021, 03:48:28 PM
I don't think it's particularly surprising because we rarely get a "good shot'" in our offensive sets.
Title: Re: Who Takes Good Shots and Who Has Good Shooters?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 16, 2021, 06:20:12 PM
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 16, 2021, 03:48:28 PM
I don't think it's particularly surprising because we rarely get a "good shot'" in our offensive sets.

Mugsy, this says we are good shooters who take good shots.
Title: Re: Who Takes Good Shots and Who Has Good Shooters?
Post by: MuggsyB on February 16, 2021, 06:23:37 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 16, 2021, 06:20:12 PM
Mugsy, this says we are good shooters who take good shots.

I guess I read it wrong.  That is surprising but also an example if stats being flawed.  This is not a team with consistent shooters.
Title: Re: Who Takes Good Shots and Who Has Good Shooters?
Post by: geps on February 16, 2021, 07:08:51 PM
Here is a better graphic broken down by conference. I wonder if there is an error.
Title: Re: Who Takes Good Shots and Who Has Good Shooters?
Post by: MU82 on February 16, 2021, 07:16:12 PM
I mean, just look at the last game. Probably 5-6 wide-open looks for 40% 3-point shooters Cain, Elliott and Garcia.

It doesn't "absolve" Wojo of anything, but sooner or later, players need to do their jobs too!
Title: Re: Who Takes Good Shots and Who Has Good Shooters?
Post by: geps on February 16, 2021, 07:32:33 PM
Quote from: MU82 on February 16, 2021, 07:16:12 PM
I mean, just look at the last game. Probably 5-6 wide-open looks for 40% 3-point shooters Cain, Elliott and Garcia.

It doesn't "absolve" Wojo of anything, but sooner or later, players need to do their jobs too!


True but on the other hand there were some big shots made that got us in a position to at least tie the game instead of getting blown out. The 3 by Carton and a couple Koby shots come to mind. But, yes, if Cain hits just one of those.....
Title: Re: Who Takes Good Shots and Who Has Good Shooters?
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on February 16, 2021, 07:47:38 PM
Hard to take & make a good shot when you turn it over.

Scoring has rarely been a problem under Wojo. Turnovers + mediocre to bad defense have consistently been a problem.
Title: Re: Who Takes Good Shots and Who Has Good Shooters?
Post by: Shooter McGavin on February 16, 2021, 08:02:29 PM
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on February 16, 2021, 07:47:38 PM
Hard to take & make a good shot when you turn it over.

Scoring has rarely been a problem under Wojo. Turnovers + mediocre to bad defense have consistently been a problem.

This is 100% correct and why watching a Wojo coached team is tantalizing and maddening.  Sometimes it looks like we can't lose because our offense can look so good and we do anyway because we are not fundamentally sound.
Title: Re: Who Takes Good Shots and Who Has Good Shooters?
Post by: MU82 on February 16, 2021, 09:55:43 PM
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on February 16, 2021, 07:47:38 PM
Hard to take & make a good shot when you turn it over.

Scoring has rarely been a problem under Wojo. Turnovers + mediocre to bad defense have consistently been a problem.

Totally agree. It's like middle-school basketball, where any shot is a good shot because at least it's not a turnover!
Title: Re: Who Takes Good Shots and Who Has Good Shooters?
Post by: mug644 on February 16, 2021, 10:17:34 PM
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 16, 2021, 08:02:29 PM
This is 100% correct and why watching a Wojo coached team is tantalizing and maddening.  Sometimes it looks like we can't lose because our offense can look so good and we do anyway because we are not fundamentally sound.

This gets pretty darn close to why I was slow to give up on Wojo. The program consistently has potential and teases us, but falls apart under the strain of the basics.
Title: Re: Who Takes Good Shots and Who Has Good Shooters?
Post by: skianth16 on February 16, 2021, 10:45:55 PM
I'm not too surprised to see where we land on that chart. We get pretty good looks, and most of our rotational guys are decent shooters. The real issues for this squad are turnovers and finding a decent plan B when that outside shot isn't there.

The struggle for most of our guys to create their own shot or get to the hoop on a regular basis can be painful when shots aren't falling. Finding a way to change things up a little and see the ball go through the hoop can help turn things around when shots aren't falling or when good looks are hard to come by.

DJ has that ability, and Koby has shown some spurts. If they could be more consistent in getting to the rim, I think it would make a huge difference.
Title: Re: Who Takes Good Shots and Who Has Good Shooters?
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 17, 2021, 11:45:55 AM
Agree. They are about where I expected. Makes you wonder how we got to 9-12. Oh wait, this data apparently only deals with shots - not turnovers or defense.
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