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Title: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: MuggsyB on February 14, 2021, 04:02:30 PM
This performance just reaffirmed that fact.  The Hall probably played their worst game all season.  Again, another game right there for the taking and we laid an Ostrich egg.  F performance, no credit for the score being competitive.  Will we beat Butler?  DePaul?  Both?  Neither?
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: RIP Marquette Gyros on February 14, 2021, 04:05:56 PM
We need a rebuild now. Wojos gotta go
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: IrwinFletcher on February 14, 2021, 04:25:47 PM
I understand the frustration, believe me I do.  But to totally discredit the positives on the defensive end is disingenuous.

Seton Hall came in as the 17th best offense according to KenPom and we held them to 37% and 27% from 3 and forced 15 TO's.

If there was any kind of scoring, they win the game, but lets not at least acknowledge improvement when we see it.
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on February 14, 2021, 04:29:32 PM
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on February 14, 2021, 04:25:47 PM
I understand the frustration, believe me I do.  But to totally discredit the positives on the defensive end is disingenuous.

Seton Hall came in as the 17th best offense according to KenPom and we held them to 37% and 27% from 3 and forced 15 TO's.

If there was any kind of scoring, they win the game, but lets not at least acknowledge improvement when we see it.
Unfortunately the game was so ugly it is hard to take anything positive away from it. But good on you for doing so.
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: Johnny B on February 14, 2021, 04:30:29 PM
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on February 14, 2021, 04:25:47 PM
I understand the frustration, believe me I do.  But to totally discredit the positives on the defensive end is disingenuous.

Seton Hall came in as the 17th best offense according to KenPom and we held them to 37% and 27% from 3 and forced 15 TO's.

If there was any kind of scoring, they win the game, but lets not at least acknowledge improvement when we see it.
when you lose almost every game why the hell does it matter if they did ok in one aspect. great defesnse and were a cellar dweller big east team with crap fundamentals and coaching. yippe ky ehhh
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 14, 2021, 04:30:45 PM
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 14, 2021, 04:02:30 PM
This performance just reaffirmed that fact.  The Hall probably played their worst game all season.  Again, another game right there for the taking and we laid an Ostrich egg.  F performance, no credit for the score being competitive.  Will we beat Butler?  DePaul?  Both?  Neither?

This isn't a reasonable take. You can't give Seton Hall zero credit for making our offense look bad and us zero credit for making their offense look bad.

Honestly, we outplayed Seton Hall. Beat em on the boards, beat em on turnovers, beat em on fouls. We clanked open look after open look. They clanked plenty of point blankers but overall our defense was challenging them more than they were challenging us.

Doesn't matter though. At large berth is now officially impossible (it already wasn't happening). Coaches that go this far backwards don't get it done. Wojo's got to go.
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: PointWarrior on February 14, 2021, 04:33:13 PM
the shittiest of two shitty teams today...

O basketball IQ - do they lead the NCAA in shot clock violations?
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: pacearrow02 on February 14, 2021, 04:40:16 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 14, 2021, 04:30:45 PM
This isn't a reasonable take. You can't give Seton Hall zero credit for making our offense look bad and us zero credit for making their offense look bad.

Honestly, we outplayed Seton Hall. Beat em on the boards, beat em on turnovers, beat em on fouls. We clanked open look after open look. They clanked plenty of point blankers but overall our defense was challenging them more than they were challenging us.

Doesn't matter though. At large berth is now officially impossible (it already wasn't happening). Coaches that go this far backwards don't get it done. Wojo's got to go.

I wanted him to succeed and was one of the last on the sinking ship screaming for patience but can't bury my head in the sand any longer.  If there is not a change this spring, next season attendance and fan behavior at games will get embarrassing.

Get ready for another 2-3 years before we can begin to expect to be competitive, what a mess
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: Johnny B on February 14, 2021, 04:42:56 PM
if we knew 10 years ago there wouldnt be a single tourney win in the next ten plus years.. just sucks. ur right gonna be at least 2 years before they are maybe somewhat good
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: hairy worthen on February 14, 2021, 04:43:04 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 14, 2021, 04:30:45 PM
This isn't a reasonable take. You can't give Seton Hall zero credit for making our offense look bad and us zero credit for making their offense look bad.

Honestly, we outplayed Seton Hall. Beat em on the boards, beat em on turnovers, beat em on fouls. We clanked open look after open look. They clanked plenty of point blankers but overall our defense was challenging them more than they were challenging us.

Doesn't matter though. At large berth is now officially impossible (it already wasn't happening). Coaches that go this far backwards don't get it done. Wojo's got to go.
I'm not sure how much either defense had to do with the ugly offense.  Both teams got shots and missed. SH happened to suck a little less. The bottom line is Marquette lost.
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: MuggsyB on February 14, 2021, 04:45:11 PM
Let me ask our great fans a question:

Was there a single second in your mind when this game was 2-4 pts that you thought we would pull this out?  This team has absolutely no clue how to execute down the stretch or play winning basketball.  They are so poorly coached that at times I think I'm watching 6th grade basketball. 

In the last 7 mins of the game The Hall was in the penalty.  At this time in the contest we were about as successful scoring with the 3-Ball as a nun at a convent.  So what do we proceed to do?  Launch triple, after triple, after triple, after triple, etc., etc, etc.  Terrible execution and poise, atrocious coaching.  Period.  We constantly beat ourselves and right now are at rock bottom.  It was a crappy performance as was Wednesday night.
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: Badgerhater on February 14, 2021, 04:47:01 PM
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on February 14, 2021, 04:25:47 PM
I understand the frustration, believe me I do.  But to totally discredit the positives on the defensive end is disingenuous.

Seton Hall came in as the 17th best offense according to KenPom and we held them to 37% and 27% from 3 and forced 15 TO's.

If there was any kind of scoring, they win the game, but lets not at least acknowledge improvement when we see it.

I watched lots of Mike Deane basketball where MU held a team to poor shooting, but MU couldn't do anything offensively.

Mike Deane was fired.
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: The Sultan on February 14, 2021, 04:49:23 PM
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on February 14, 2021, 04:25:47 PM
I understand the frustration, believe me I do.  But to totally discredit the positives on the defensive end is disingenuous.

Seton Hall came in as the 17th best offense according to KenPom and we held them to 37% and 27% from 3 and forced 15 TO's.

If there was any kind of scoring, they win the game, but lets not at least acknowledge improvement when we see it.

Is improving on one end and regressing on the other really something to be celebrated?
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 14, 2021, 04:56:50 PM
Quote from: Johnny B on February 14, 2021, 04:42:56 PM
if we knew 10 years ago there wouldnt be a single tourney win in the next ten plus years.. just sucks. ur right gonna be at least 2 years before they are maybe somewhat good

Actually in the last 10 years we've won 7 NCAA tournament games - S16 in 2011, S16 in 2012, E8 in 2013. But it seems like longer.
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: Johnny B on February 14, 2021, 04:58:24 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 14, 2021, 04:56:50 PM
Actually in the last 10 years we've won 7 NCAA tournament games - S16 in 2011, S16 in 2012, E8 in 2013. But it seems like longer.
yep. guess i ment more like 7 years ago
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: PointWarrior on February 14, 2021, 04:58:49 PM
This - at no time in the game they were a threat to win the game.  Except at maybe 0-0...


Quote from: MuggsyB on February 14, 2021, 04:45:11 PM
Let me ask our great fans a question:

Was there a single second in your mind when this game was 2-4 pts that you thought we would pull this out?  This team has absolutely no clue how to execute down the stretch or play winning basketball.  They are so poorly coached that at times I think I'm watching 6th grade basketball. 

In the last 7 mins of the game The Hall was in the penalty.  At this time in the contest we were about as successful scoring with the 3-Ball as a nun at a convent.  So what do we proceed to do?  Launch triple, after triple, after triple, after triple, etc., etc, etc.  Terrible execution and poise, atrocious coaching.  Period.  We constantly beat ourselves and right now are at rock bottom.  It was a crappy performance as was Wednesday night.
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: 79Warrior on February 14, 2021, 05:04:14 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 14, 2021, 04:30:45 PM
This isn't a reasonable take. You can't give Seton Hall zero credit for making our offense look bad and us zero credit for making their offense look bad.

Honestly, we outplayed Seton Hall. Beat em on the boards, beat em on turnovers, beat em on fouls. We clanked open look after open look. They clanked plenty of point blankers but overall our defense was challenging them more than they were challenging us.

Doesn't matter though. At large berth is now officially impossible (it already wasn't happening). Coaches that go this far backwards don't get it done. Wojo's got to go.

STeam shot  30% from the field and 12% from the three. We will beat nobody ( which we are well on our way to doing) shooting that poorly.
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: CountryRoads on February 14, 2021, 05:10:02 PM
Kevin Willard said in the post game that Marquette has been playing really well.
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: Johnny B on February 14, 2021, 05:13:17 PM
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 14, 2021, 05:10:02 PM
Kevin Willard said in the post game that Marquette has been playing really well.
lol so patronizing
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: MuggsyB on February 14, 2021, 05:15:25 PM
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 14, 2021, 05:10:02 PM
Kevin Willard said in the post game that Marquette has been playing really well.

I just spit-up my coffee.  Lol.
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: panda on February 14, 2021, 05:15:41 PM
I'd love Wojo if I were a BE coach too.
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: 21Jumpstreet on February 14, 2021, 05:17:21 PM
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on February 14, 2021, 04:25:47 PM
I understand the frustration, believe me I do.  But to totally discredit the positives on the defensive end is disingenuous.

Seton Hall came in as the 17th best offense according to KenPom and we held them to 37% and 27% from 3 and forced 15 TO's.

If there was any kind of scoring, they win the game, but lets not at least acknowledge improvement when we see it.

For the first time in a long time I wasn't pissed. We played D, we moved on offense, drove and dished, we got a TON of open shots. Yeah, a lot of the same old crap, too, but I thought besides shooting it wasn't a bad effort.
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 14, 2021, 05:30:51 PM
Quote from: panda on February 14, 2021, 05:15:41 PM
I'd love Wojo if I were a BE coach too.

Epic.
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: brewcity77 on February 14, 2021, 05:55:44 PM
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 14, 2021, 04:45:11 PMWas there a single second in your mind when this game was 2-4 pts that you thought we would pull this out?

I thought we might, because the season doesn't really matter anymore. It would be like hitting a buzzer beating three when you're down by 7, which I feel is right in our wheelhouse.
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: CTWarrior on February 14, 2021, 06:01:25 PM
Quote from: Johnny B on February 14, 2021, 04:58:24 PM
yep. guess i ment more like 7 years ago
I thought you meant that 7 years ago when we hired Wojo it meant 10 years w/o an NCAA win (it is starting to look like that now, especially if we keep him one more year) we would have been unhappy, and that made sense to me.
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 14, 2021, 06:03:12 PM
Real apathy has set in. We can't even sustain a good bitch session for 2 hours after losin'' to a chitty team, hey?
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: CTWarrior on February 14, 2021, 06:03:25 PM
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on February 14, 2021, 05:17:21 PM
For the first time in a long time I wasn't pissed. We played D, we moved on offense, drove and dished, we got a TON of open shots. Yeah, a lot of the same old crap, too, but I thought besides shooting it wasn't a bad effort.
This is what I thought.  Doesn't change the fact that we lost yet another winnable game.
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: Viper on February 14, 2021, 06:05:42 PM
The McD's AA was on the bench late. Did I miss something? Injury?
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 14, 2021, 06:07:05 PM
Nah, subbed out for horsey sauce, hey?
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on February 14, 2021, 06:14:44 PM
Quote from: Marq3332 on February 14, 2021, 06:05:42 PM
The McD's AA was on the bench late. Did I miss something? Injury?

Garcia was 0 for 6 and was a complete non-factor. 
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: MuggsyB on February 14, 2021, 06:24:29 PM
Last year we lost 7/8 to close the season.

In our last 8 games we have lost 7/8.

We may very well finish 1-11 to close 2021.

I would consider making a  change tomorrow and letting an assistant finish out 2021.

I am no longer concerned at all about players bolting if Wojo is terminated.

No program that cares about winning would find this acceptable.

We have seen zero growth on our rosters from Nov to March the past three seasons, and more to the point extreme regression.

Unacceptable.

Inexcusable.

We need to take a wrecking ball and start over.

Immediately.
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 14, 2021, 06:30:08 PM
This isn't MLB or the NBA. Wojo will complete the season and either take another coachin' gig or get chit canned. Guaranteed his agent has been laying the groundwork to see what's available, hey?
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on February 14, 2021, 06:45:56 PM
Quote from: PaceArrow02 on February 14, 2021, 04:40:16 PM
Get ready for another 2-3 years before we can begin to expect to be competitive, what a mess

Are we competitive now
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: muwarrior97 on February 14, 2021, 07:39:08 PM
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 14, 2021, 04:33:13 PM
the craptiest of two crapty teams today...

O basketball IQ - do they lead the NCAA in shot clock violations?

Not sure BUT we definitely lead College BBall in players bouncing into each other and having a travel called

🤤🤤🤤
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: willie warrior on February 14, 2021, 08:40:26 PM
Quote from: Johnny B on February 14, 2021, 04:42:56 PM
if we knew 10 years ago there wouldnt be a single tourney win in the next ten plus years.. just sucks. ur right gonna be at least 2 years before they are maybe somewhat good
Absolutely sucks. Wojo-Dukiet has trajectoried us  to sub mid major
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: willie warrior on February 14, 2021, 08:41:55 PM
Probably not a top 150 team, but definitely a top 300.
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: vogue65 on February 14, 2021, 09:32:24 PM
I SHOULD CARE,  I should go around weeping
I should care,  I should go without sleeping
Strangely enough,  I sleep well
Except for a dream or two
But then I  count my sheep well
Funny how sheep can lull you to sleep

So I should care, I should let it upset me
I sould care but it just doesn't get me
Maybe I won't find someone as lovely as you......


Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: MuggsyB on February 14, 2021, 09:35:22 PM
Quote from: vogue65 on February 14, 2021, 09:32:24 PM
I SHOULD CARE,  I should go around weeping
I should care,  I should go without sleeping
Strangely enough,  I sleep well
Except for a dream or two
But then I  count my sheep well
Funny how sheep can lull you to sleep

So I should care, I should let it upset me
I sould care but it just doesn't get me
Maybe I won't find domeone as lovely as you......

Is this John Keats?
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: vogue65 on February 14, 2021, 09:42:57 PM
Sammy Cahn,  Betty Carter, et al.
Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Diana Krall
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: MuggsyB on February 14, 2021, 09:47:21 PM
Quote from: vogue65 on February 14, 2021, 09:42:57 PM
Sammy Cahn,  Betty Carter, et al.
Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Diana Krall

Oh...it's a song?

I thought it was "Ode on a meltdown".
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: vogue65 on February 14, 2021, 09:52:46 PM
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 14, 2021, 09:47:21 PM
Oh...it's a song?

I thought it was "Ode on a meltdown".

Yes, that also.  Great kids, great coach, it just isn't meant to be, I should care.
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: MuggsyB on February 14, 2021, 09:56:43 PM
Quote from: vogue65 on February 14, 2021, 09:52:46 PM
Yes, that also.  Great kids, great coach, it just isn't meant to be, I should care.

"Beauty is truth, truth beauty."

RIP JK
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: muwarrior97 on February 14, 2021, 10:42:00 PM
There is one positive of this game, only 4-5 games left to endure of this craptastic College Basketball season....

:-X
Title: Re: We're not a top 150 team
Post by: WarriorFan on February 15, 2021, 01:30:35 AM
With the transfer rule for next year, it is the best possible year to start afresh with a new coach. 

As for the Seton Hall game... I think one could go to the rec center and find a team of 8 guys who would have played just as well, and it would have been a lot more fun to watch. 
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