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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on February 02, 2021, 06:14:12 PM
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1. This is why you develop your bench. Injuries and fouls.
2. Speaking of which, Theo still makes too many dumb fouls.
3. Symir is shooting everything flat and pulling the string as he does.
4. Team cannot handle prosperity.
5. We got plenty of Dexter and Osa.
6. Harris... Tooth out, raining 3's.
7. Free throws. I miss when they were nearly automatic.
8. Turnovers. Traveling, charges, shot clocks. Maddening. Start the action at 10, not 5.
9. The trainers have their work cut out for them.
10. The last few minutes felt like Groundhog day. We have seen this film before.
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Complete joke of a game
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Koby should have to sleep outside til saturday.
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Glad we won. But we suck.
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We scored more points than them. The only positive I’ll say about this game.
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think i can honestly say this is the worst performance in which mu won ive ever seen lol. trash game
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Almost another Wojlapse. Guys are out there smiling and laughing the last 2 minutes and damn near piss the game away.
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Almost another Wojlapse. Guys are out there smiling and laughing the last 2 minutes and damn near piss the game away.
They thought they won that game so many times. Feels like Koby was laughing/talking trash like it was over a lot.
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The sad truth is we have a team with talent but are a really bad basketball team right now.
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No ball movement at all
Dribble at the top until <10 secs on the shot clock and then try to drive
No time management / game management related to the lack of bigs
No small ball against a team where it would work
Butler came back with no timeouts... just game management from the bench. Almost as if they had practiced for such situations. Perhaps they do. Butler is actually really bad this year, and MU almost lost. Shame.
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#8 again and again and again.
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1. This is why you develop your bench. Injuries and fouls.
2. Speaking of which, Theo still makes too many dumb fouls.
3. Symir is shooting everything flat and pulling the string as he does.
4. Team cannot handle prosperity.
5. We got plenty of Dexter and Osa.
6. Harris... Tooth out, raining 3's.
7. Free throws. I miss when they were nearly automatic.
8. Turnovers. Traveling, charges, shot clocks. Maddening. Start the action at 10, not 5.
9. The trainers have their work cut out for them.
10. The last few minutes felt like Groundhog day. We have seen this film before.
11. Worst coaching job ever by Wojo. We’re starting to expect them, though. I believe every inbounds against the press, but one, was thrown the one place you don’t want to throw them - into the corner.
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Getting harder and harder to contemplate how this team beat Creighton and Wisconsin.
There's just no excuse for the turnovers game after game.
Symir's shot.....yikes.
Cain's dunk was pretty awesome, at least.
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Almost another Wojlapse. Guys are out there smiling and laughing the last 2 minutes and damn near piss the game away.
Need to clean house and start instilling a culture in the program. This team looks to have mailed it in again.
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Desipte the negative Nancy's, MU has now played 2.75 good halves of basetball in a row*.
* That last .25 half was rough though.
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Desipte the negative Nancy's, MU has now played 2.75 good halves of basetball in a row*.
* That last .25 half was rough though.
This I say bring on Villanova for a half then pause the game for a few days and bring on the second half
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This I say bring on Villanova for a half then pause the game for a few days and bring on the second half
Why start the second half at all? Just use the Trump strategy. Get a lead? Stop the count! We won. By a lot!
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Pretty disappointing. Team nearly threw it away.
Man even Ws make me feel bad.
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This I say bring on Villanova for a half then pause the game for a few days and bring on the second half
Hah. Or keep Theo and Dawson from fouling out..
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:-*Up 12 with three to go. Turnovers, clock violation shots, missed free throws and Players were giggling....especially Koby. Too much milking the clock, believing that was best thing, then let Koby chuck. He got bailed out once by foul called.
20 turnovers and 11 missed free throws and still win.
Maybe hire an inbound the ball coach, this is getting embarrassing. Never seen anything like it. Koby should have called timeout, that lead to a quick three by BU.
Koby had 8 turnovers and this team cannot hit free throws to build up lead at the end.
Dex, Symir and Elliott have one made field goal in two full games. One.
Symir is 4 for 31 now from three. That’s you guards for next year folks. Good luck with that.
Need Lewis back real soon. Theo and Carton to heal, otherwise CU gonna slaughter MU.
Win is a win.
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No words.
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No words.
That’s two.
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Getting harder and harder to contemplate how this team beat Creighton and Wisconsin.
I attribute those wins to the probability that Wojo had not yet installed his offensive "system".
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This far into the schedule I think it is a cop out to always blame the coach About time for the players to shoulder some of the blame ! How many times do you need to be in a situation to learn from it. These are not freshman playing their second game
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It looks like Symir is shot-putting his shot, rather than actually shooting it. Like he'd rather draw iron than risk an air ball. Gotta get that confidence up
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Koby with EIGHT turnovers - he wasn't far from a double double.
Late in the game, following a TO, should there not have been a travelling call on MU taking it OOB?
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Is Greg hurt? Honest question...
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Koby with EIGHT turnovers - he wasn't far from a double double.
Late in the game, following a TO, should there not have been a travelling call on MU taking it OOB?
No, because it was after a made basket. Simpkins misspoke.
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Need to clean house and start instilling a culture in the program. This team looks to have mailed it in again.
I don't see that they "mailed it in." They seemed to be playing hard throughout, but the repeated mistakes that would frustrate you as a frosh-soph level high school coach are just beyond belief. Many are due to lack of skills, others poor decision making or coaching like repeatedly inbounding into a trap against the press or initiating offense way too late. Any team that doesn't apply constant pressure against MU is crazy.
Also, I love Theo but selling out for every block as a senior is also a head scratcher. Too many of those with this team. It's frustrating because it is a likable group of guys but really not a quality team at this point.
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Just after the game ended, I said to my wife, “ugh, even a win is so unenjoyable.”
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Just after the game ended, I said to my wife, “ugh, even a win is so unenjoyable.”
Eh, that one was stressful. But why not enjoy?
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The team in unable to hold up under the slightest bit of defensive pressure. And after seeing full court pressure is the last how many? games, they still can't come up with a better in-bounds than throw it directly into the corner double team trap.
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The sad truth is we have a team with talent but are a really bad basketball team right now.
I don't know that we have much talent. Garcia is very talented. Carton has his days. Beyond that? Not sure.
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Glad we finally won a game, even if it was over a lousy team. Time to present Wojo-Dukiet with a 10 year extension.
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Why does Koby McEwen insist on throwing his arms up consistently after what he deems a missed foul call by the refs that's never actually a foul? Put your f**king arms down and get back on defense.
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Eh, that one was stressful. But why not enjoy?
I guess because I have hopes, and low as they are, it is unsatisfying when they are barely met.
At the same time, I was in school during the Dukiet years, and never missed a game. I’m not going to stop watching or paying attention now, but I just wish it was more...enjoyable.
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I’m not going to stop watching or paying attention now, but I just wish it was more...enjoyable.
Fair. I'd just amend that I wish the wins were more convincing. But it starts with wins!
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Need to clean house and start instilling a culture in the program. This team looks to have mailed it in again.
See, this is what's uncalled for.
There are a zillion things to rail about after this game -- which, BTW, we won -- but how did our players "mail it in"? They worked hard, they challenged shots, they went to the floor, and until the very last run they had answered every Butler run with a run of their own.
I mean, OK, we aren't well-coached, we make a lot of boneheaded plays, we take some dopey fouls, we gagged from the FT line, etc etc etc ... but don't impugn the players' integrity by suggesting they quit.
It's not accurate and it's simply mean-spirited. These guys work hard to entertain your arse.
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Differant outcome if Bulldogs had made their freethrows
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Differant outcome if Bulldogs had made their freethrows
Uh OK ... but if we had made our FTs when they were fouling us on every possession in the last minute and a half, we win going away.
Silly.
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Differant outcome if Bulldogs had made their freethrows
More definitive outcome if Koby isn't jacked up on Redbull with Monster chasers.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401269635
42 minutes from Dexter, Osa, and Symir. If I was given that stat and knew nothing else, I would assume that the game was either a blowout or ridiculously sloppy.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401269635
42 minutes from Dexter, Osa, and Symir. If I was given that stat and knew nothing else, I would assume that the game was either a blowout or ridiculously sloppy.
It was a blowout and ridiculously sloppy?
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Eh, that one was stressful. But why not enjoy?
Any landing you can walk away from, eh?
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42 minutes from Dexter, Osa, and Symir. If I was given that stat and knew nothing else, I would assume that the game was either a blowout or ridiculously sloppy.
Probably should have been a blowout, but ended up sloppy because of foul trouble?
Actually, Dex and Symir were getting more run than I thought they would have. Maybe there was a message today. Osa was clearly in because of foul trouble. Thankful for those minutes, even if some may have been ugly.
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In my best Forrest Gump voice, "We are not a smart team."
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#11. Excellent FT defense.
(https://i.imgur.com/g2krcZY.gif)
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Why does Koby McEwen insist on throwing his arms up consistently after what he deems a missed foul call by the refs that's never actually a foul? Put your f**king arms down and get back on defense.
On another occasion, he made a nice layup, and went OOB. He walked back onto the court and was so busy celebrating with his arms up he didn't even notice the pass from the inbounder, which was available to him for the taking.
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On another occasion, he made a nice layup, and went OOB. He walked back onto the court and was so busy celebrating with his arms up he didn't even notice the pass from the inbounder, which was available to him for the taking.
If only he could score as many points as DJ, then he'd be OK. whoops...
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See, this is what's uncalled for.
There are a zillion things to rail about after this game -- which, BTW, we won -- but how did our players "mail it in"? They worked hard, they challenged shots, they went to the floor, and until the very last run they had answered every Butler run with a run of their own.
I mean, OK, we aren't well-coached, we make a lot of boneheaded plays, we take some dopey fouls, we gagged from the FT line, etc etc etc ... but don't impugn the players' integrity by suggesting they quit.
It's not accurate and it's simply mean-spirited. These guys work hard to entertain your arse.
Agreed. Did not see them mailing it in at all.
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I know we're not allowed to enjoy close wins even a teeny tiny bit, but ...
Butler has beaten Creighton and Providence. Entered the game with the same conference record we did. Got a boost from a recent roster addition.
Our two starting bigs were in foul trouble all game and our backup big didn't play. Theo and DJ toughed it out through injuries. We turned it over 21 times. We bricked a bunch of FTs. We got 5 points, total, from the bench.
And yet we still won the game.
OK, back to our regularly scheduled Marquette Is The Worst Team In Basketball History Fest.
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OK, back to our regularly scheduled Marquette Is The Worst Team In Basketball History Fest.
We are painful to watch and thoroughly unenjoyable. Mistakes that are coached out of junior high teams. Because we’re holding on to a guy whose accomplished nothing in his adult life. Once removed from his cozy little Duke bubble, his incompetence is laid bare.
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We are painful to watch and thoroughly unenjoyable. Mistakes that are coached out of junior high teams. Because we’re holding on to a guy whose accomplished nothing in his adult life. Once removed from his cozy little Duke bubble, his incompetence is laid bare.
He was 18 when he was a McDonald's all American. That's a pretty big accomplishment and was removed from Duke for it. I hear he's also certified in PowerPoint
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He was 18 when he was a McDonald's all American. That's a pretty big accomplishment and was removed from Duke for it. I hear he's also certified in PowerPoint
That was his last accomplishment, McDonald’s AA. He rode a legend’s coattails into a great job.
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We are painful to watch and thoroughly unenjoyable. Mistakes that are coached out of junior high teams. Because we’re holding on to a guy whose accomplished nothing in his adult life. Once removed from his cozy little Duke bubble, his incompetence is laid bare.
Why do you watch? Are you a masochist? I'm serious. If it literally gives you pain, and you keep watching, that's on you.
And BTW, I agree Wojo should be fired. I'd have fired him immediately after Sunday's game and handed the team to Killings for the rest of the season.
But folks act as if a gun is pointed at their heads, forcing them to watch.
When you don't play well, and you're missing a key player, and you have foul trouble, and you have injuries, and you still win, I happen to think the players deserve a thumbs-up.
You are free to be miserable, though.
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Why do you watch? Are you a masochist? I'm serious. If it literally gives you pain, and you keep watching, that's on you.
And BTW, I agree Wojo should be fired. I'd have fired him immediately after Sunday's game and handed the team to Killings for the rest of the season.
But folks act as if a gun is pointed at their heads, forcing them to watch.
When you don't play well, and you're missing a key player, and you have foul trouble, and you have injuries, and you still win, I happen to think the players deserve a thumbs-up.
You are free to be miserable, though.
I haven’t been watching actually because I’m tired of the same sh!t basketball over and over and over. I didn’t watch a second today. I was working, but didn’t even consider recording it, which in the past would have been done without a question. I was in and out of Sunday’s game, watched zero of either Providence game, nor DePaul.
I used to worked my schedule around so I would never miss games. So this is a new and significant change for me. I greatly miss being fully invested in the program, but this is what Wojo’s incompetence has done. I have a feeling I’ve got plenty of company. Sick and tired and disgusted with the product, and a dope essentially stealing money for a job he does very poorly. And then there’s no clear end in sight, so throw in a good dose of hopelessness about better days ahead in this program with everything else.
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That was his last accomplishment, McDonald’s AA. He rode a legend’s coattails into a great job.
I mean I'd say riding that to being a millionaire with no other accomplishments (you said no Duke connected stuff and I presume that includes the USA gold medals) is in itself quite the accomplishment. I don't know about your financial status but if you're able to thumb your nose at Wojo's salary for having no accomplishments then a tip of the cap to you
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I haven’t been watching actually because I’m tired of the same sh!t basketball over and over and over. I didn’t watch a second today. I was working, but didn’t even consider recording it, which in the past would have been done without a question. I was in and out of Sunday’s game, watched zero of either Providence game, nor DePaul.
I used to worked my schedule around so I would never miss games. So this is a new and significant change for me. I greatly miss being fully invested in the program, but this is what Wojo’s incompetence has done. I have a feeling I’ve got plenty of company. Sick and tired and disgusted with the product, and a dope essentially stealing money for a job he does very poorly. And then there’s no clear end in sight, so throw in a good dose of hopelessness about better days ahead in this program with everything else.
OK. That sounds like the right course of action for you. Have a nice night.
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I mean I'd say riding that to being a millionaire with no other accomplishments (you said no Duke connected stuff and I presume that includes the USA gold medals) is in itself quite the accomplishment. I don't know about your financial status but if you're able to thumb your nose at Wojo's salary for having no accomplishments then a tip of the cap to you
He’s to be congratulated for being a fraud and duping Cords and MU into thinking he could coach at this level after accomplishing nothing on his own merits other than being a darn good high school player and an average at best college player? He got his chance at coaching only because he played at Duke. That’s all K has hired the past 20 or so years, ex players.
Contrast his career to someone like Buzz. Small wonder Buzz has been so successful- hungry, relentless in pursuit of his goals, tough, and smart. Wojo has all but four of those qualities.
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I haven’t been watching actually because I’m tired of the same sh!t basketball over and over and over. I didn’t watch a second today. I was working, but didn’t even consider recording it, which in the past would have been done without a question. I was in and out of Sunday’s game, watched zero of either Providence game, nor DePaul.
I used to worked my schedule around so I would never miss games. So this is a new and significant change for me. I greatly miss being fully invested in the program, but this is what Wojo’s incompetence has done. I have a feeling I’ve got plenty of company. Sick and tired and disgusted with the product, and a dope essentially stealing money for a job he does very poorly. And then there’s no clear end in sight, so throw in a good dose of hopelessness about better days ahead in this program with everything else.
I didn't watch the game. But Wojo sucks regardless -HutchwasClutch
Thanks for the objective thoughts ::)
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OK. That sounds like the right course of action for you. Have a nice night.
Thanks. You as well.
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I didn't watch the game. But Wojo sucks regardless -HutchwasClutch
Thanks for the objective thoughts ::)
Nothing at all is changing and everyone here knows it. Same old bad basketball I’ve seen over almost 7 seasons. Same criticisms after this game too.
So what’s the point of still watching like something might change for the better finally? After nearly 7 seasons, we all know it won’t. Some are just too stubborn to admit that.
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So what’s the point of still watching like something might change for the better finally?
We call those "fans" 'round these parts. But a 4pm Tue CDT start is rough.
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The sad truth is we have a team with talent but are a really bad basketball team right now.
I think it’s time to stop with the talent. We have a few good players. This team is not oozing talent.
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On another occasion, he made a nice layup, and went OOB. He walked back onto the court and was so busy celebrating with his arms up he didn't even notice the pass from the inbounder, which was available to him for the taking.
I saw that also. The guy has a low bb IQ.
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He was 18 when he was a McDonald's all American. That's a pretty big accomplishment and was removed from Duke for it. I hear he's also certified in PowerPoint
So...he has 2 grand accomplishments. McDonald's and his MU PowerPoint
Would say his HC career so far has been a major embarrassment. He and some Hoopsters feel bad for Wojo-Dukiet because we haven't had enough cupcakes to pad the record.
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Wojo deserved the position. Anyone who says he’s an entitled pretty boy is clueless.
He hasn’t produced and MU will need to move on soon. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t deserve the position.
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Why start the second half at all? Just use the Trump strategy. Get a lead? Stop the count! We won. By a lot!
couldn’t resist, could you
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We are painful to watch and thoroughly unenjoyable.
You realize you aren't required to watch right?
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Wojo deserved the position. Anyone who says he’s an entitled pretty boy is clueless.
He hasn’t produced and MU will need to move on soon. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t deserve the position.
Good to see one our most fervent projos finally throwing in the towel. Wojo turning MU into Duke North was never realistic.
Whether or not he “deserved” the job is an interesting topic. Since he didn’t get the job done, he ultimately goes down as a bad hire. That said, I think at the time it was a reasonable one.
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Good to see one our most fervent projos finally throwing in the towel. Wojo turning MU into Duke North was never realistic.
Whether or not he “deserved” the job is an interesting topic. Since he didn’t get the job done, he ultimately goes down as a bad hire. That said, I think at the time it was a reasonable one.
The result hasn’t been great, but I don’t know that it faults the process. Obviously he wasn’t the first choice, and I was a bit bummed when I heard he was the leader. That’s probably more the Duke connection than anything. I had just warmed up to Cuonzo, which looked like it would have been a bad hire too.
Wojo was the top assistant at probably the top program of the last 15 years at that point. He had praise from all over the basketball world from his time with Team USA. I can see how he’d interview well because what he’s done seems to be exactly what the administrations wants. He’s run a clean program without off the court issues and has had some success on the court (albeit very limited in most opinions).
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He’s to be congratulated for being a fraud and duping Cords and MU into thinking he could coach at this level after accomplishing nothing on his own merits other than being a darn good high school player and an average at best college player? He got his chance at coaching only because he played at Duke. That’s all K has hired the past 20 or so years, ex players.
Contrast his career to someone like Buzz. Small wonder Buzz has been so successful- hungry, relentless in pursuit of his goals, tough, and smart. Wojo has all but four of those qualities.
I'm just saying if I got myself a CEO role at a massive company right now I'd be woefully unqualified but have to hand it to me for blowing people away in the interview and accomplishing getting the job I should never have gotten.
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I'm just saying if I got myself a CEO role at a massive company right now I'd be woefully unqualified but have to hand it to me for blowing people away in the interview and accomplishing getting the job I should never have gotten.
And if you had been the right hand man of the CEO of Amazon and Kroger offered you their CEO position, you'd have deserved the opportunity.
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Assuming no more games get scheduled (we still have Georgetown at home and an open non-con game if we want it) or cancelled, we needed to go 6-2 to possibly make the tournament. Now we only need to go 5-2, which is easier. But damn, this game did nothing to convince me that 5-2 is possible.
The thing that was most frustrating for me was the turnovers. I was impressed by our handling of the press against St. John's. Our season average for TO% is 20.3% and St. John's average for the TO% they force is 23.1%. Should have been a turnover fest but we only coughed it up 12 times for TO% of 17.4%. I was hoping we could build on that performance but instead posted a TO% of 31.3% against a Butler team that does not force turnovers. That was completely on us.
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Assuming no more games get scheduled (we still have Georgetown at home and an open non-con game if we want it) or cancelled, we needed to go 6-2 to possibly make the tournament. Now we only need to go 5-2, which is easier. But damn, this game did nothing to convince me that 5-2 is possible.
The thing that was most frustrating for me was the turnovers. I was impressed by our handling of the press against St. John's. Our season average for TO% is 20.3% and St. John's average for the TO% they force is 23.1%. Should have been a turnover fest but we only coughed it up 12 times for TO% of 17.4%. I was hoping we could build on that performance but instead posted a TO% of 31.3% against a Butler team that does not force turnovers. That was completely on us.
6-2 to put us at 15-11, and that is deserving to make the dance? Cue the old Johnny Cash song..."Dream on, dream on teenage queen", or the Everly Bros. song "Dream, Dream.." or Johnny Burnette, "Dreamin, I'm Just Dreamin"
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Assuming no more games get scheduled (we still have Georgetown at home and an open non-con game if we want it) or cancelled, we needed to go 6-2 to possibly make the tournament. Now we only need to go 5-2, which is easier. But damn, this game did nothing to convince me that 5-2 is possible.
The thing that was most frustrating for me was the turnovers. I was impressed by our handling of the press against St. John's. Our season average for TO% is 20.3% and St. John's average for the TO% they force is 23.1%. Should have been a turnover fest but we only coughed it up 12 times for TO% of 17.4%. I was hoping we could build on that performance but instead posted a TO% of 31.3% against a Butler team that does not force turnovers. That was completely on us.
It worries me how we handled the lesser teams in the league. The stretch run is extremely unforgiving with something like four or five consecutive road games.
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Assuming no more games get scheduled (we still have Georgetown at home and an open non-con game if we want it) or cancelled, we needed to go 6-2 to possibly make the tournament. Now we only need to go 5-2, which is easier. But damn, this game did nothing to convince me that 5-2 is possible.
The thing that was most frustrating for me was the turnovers. I was impressed by our handling of the press against St. John's. Our season average for TO% is 20.3% and St. John's average for the TO% they force is 23.1%. Should have been a turnover fest but we only coughed it up 12 times for TO% of 17.4%. I was hoping we could build on that performance but instead posted a TO% of 31.3% against a Butler team that does not force turnovers. That was completely on us.
What is your sense? Should we shoot for the moon with the non con game and seriously pressure Ewing & co to reschedule now? Or do you think Wojo waits to see our performance against a weak team we've lost to, a Butler team that came roaring back, three teams we choked against, a team we somehow beat, and a team we don't belong in the same gym as.
It would seem to me if Wojo seriously thought this team had an outside tournament shot he'd be working to get those two possible games scheduled ASAP
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What is your sense? Should we shoot for the moon with the non con game and seriously pressure Ewing & co to reschedule now? Or do you think Wojo waits to see our performance against a weak team we've lost to, a Butler team that came roaring back, three teams we choked against, a team we somehow beat, and a team we don't belong in the same gym as.
It would seem to me if Wojo seriously thought this team had an outside tournament shot he'd be working to get those two possible games scheduled ASAP
Georgetown can honestly only hurt us, though padding the W record I guess could help. We have a 10 day break from February 17th to February 27th due to moving up the SJU game. My guess is that was done to make room for a potential non-con game or maybe both games. Georgetown is at DePaul on February 27th so if they were up for games on back to back days I could see that happening with a non-con game happening earlier in the week
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It would seem to me if Wojo seriously thought this team had an outside tournament shot he'd be working to get those two possible games scheduled ASAP
Maybe he is, though I don't know how much of that is up to the coach. (Maybe others here know.)
There is a small window for the GT game on Thu 2/25. We will have been off for a long stretch but will be playing at UConn 2 days later. Barring a blizzard, that would be a relatively "easy" trip. Georgetown, however, has games on the 23rd (vs UConn) and 27th (at DeP), so they might not want to play 3 times in that span, including a road game in the Midwest.
And we could maybe line up a non-con game between Butler on 2/17 and UConn on 2/27.
I'd like to see both played, if possible, but would understand if GT says no.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeEBaeiWP0I
Osa and Wojo postgame.
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Georgetown can honestly only hurt us, though padding the W record I guess could help. We have a 10 day break from February 17th to February 27th due to moving up the SJU game. My guess is that was done to make room for a potential non-con game or maybe both games. Georgetown is at DePaul on February 27th so if they were up for games on back to back days I could see that happening with a non-con game happening earlier in the week
There is value in padding the win loss percentage , that is part of the formula.Given our weak winning percentage,It would help MUs cause to pick up a non con,Georgetown ,or both.