1. Theo with a career high. And yet the offense needs to go through him?
2. How many times did MU run a good set, get a shot at the rim, miss, and have SJU make 5 seconds later?
3. I would love to see DJ play aggressively for 40 minutes just once.
4. Getting nothing from the bench today.
5. Posh is only going to get more annoying. 40 minutes of hell all by himself.
6. I don't get those who say the team has given up. What are you watching? They fought like hell in the second half.
7. All the starters in double figures. You have your balance.
8. Good scheme on that inbound. Terrible execution. Cutting Dawson, terrible pass from DJ. Ugggh. As soon as Theo looped and Dawson started to cut I jumped up because it was so open. Then the pass.
9. But to borrow from linkin park, In the end, it doesn't even matter.
I'll take the 2nd half effort for the rest of the season. That's all I've got for this game.
no bench points. whens that happen last
20 good minutes < 40 of hell apparently
Entertaining game. Bad finish. On to the next game.
I would bet YouTube has some under the basket near the corner out of bounds videos.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on January 31, 2021, 04:47:39 PM
Just stop
He's not wrong. He was wide open but the pass was awful
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 31, 2021, 04:46:50 PM
I'll take the 2nd half effort for the rest of the season. That's all I've got for this game.
its alyways to little to late
Waiting for the Impossible. Tower to admit that Wojo-Dukiet gots to go.
Every single fucking game we turn the ball over on our under basket out of bounds play.
Twice today. Killed us.
Quote from: tower912 on January 31, 2021, 04:45:31 PM
9. But to borrow from linkin park, In the end, it doesn't even matter.
This. It described #mubb now.
Quote from: Johnny B on January 31, 2021, 04:47:50 PM
no bench points. whens that happen last
This is Wojos biggest flaw, imo. Way too reliant on the stars/starters. Thats a tough blueprint to succeed with in conference play. The announcers even talked about the focus on Markus last year potentially having a negative impact on all the other guys.
One game closer to a coaching change and, hopefully, roster turnover. The coaches and players, while great people and representatives of MU, just aren't skilled or talented enough to have a sustainable winning program in the Big East or compete for NCAAT appearances.
Time for a change. Good news is more and more stakeholders appear to be getting on-board.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 31, 2021, 04:49:07 PM
Waiting for the Impossible. Tower to admit that Wojo-Dukiet gots to go.
That's not gonna happen.
Game probably not lost based on these, but huge, huge factor:
Four inbound plays under MU basket.
- Two in first half, leading to five points. Both inbound passes direct to SJU players
- One in second half, pass to Theo, stolen immediately, good and foul. Three points
- End of game, just terrible inbound.
So, That's eight points given up and another chance to tie/win thrown away on inbounding a basketball.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 31, 2021, 04:49:59 PM
This is Wojos biggest flaw, imo. Way too reliant on the stars/starters. Thats a tough blueprint to succeed with in conference play. The announcers even talked about the focus on Markus last year potentially having a negative impact on all the other guys.
Three bench players only shot the ball once combined.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 31, 2021, 04:49:07 PM
Waiting for the Impossible. Tower to admit that Wojo-Dukiet gots to go.
You fail to recognize that fans don't have control of the coach or the game. We can only be fans - or not. Nothin tower says really matters (sorry tower...)
Comedy Central in talks with Fox to acquire Marquette's weekend timeslot
Eliott, Sy and Akanno can not play a lick, so can somebody explain not using Perez? Baffles me??
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 31, 2021, 04:48:40 PM
He's not wrong. He was wide open but the pass was awful
It's just Tower's propensity to give Wojo credit for the littlest things and inability genuinely criticize the shite product he's created. We lost to DePaul and St John at home, consecutively. There's your headline. Not "nice scheme on that inbound play that ended in disaster". Grow a pair and criticize the crappy coach. We should have no allegiance to him. He's a Dookie that's done SQUAT for this University while collecting MILLIONS.
Oso is so bad he gets zero of the Lewis minutes?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 31, 2021, 04:48:40 PM
He's not wrong. He was wide open but the pass was awful
Yup. Garcia wide open at the FT line with his defender shielded behind. Pass was terrible.
I've succumbed to the fact that as a team, they aren't going to the tournament. I was proud of their second half effort, these guys are busting their butts out there. The execution isn't always great (last MU inbound play as an example), but I appreciated how they fought back.
I wish my bar wasn't so low, but that's where we're at as a program right now.
Marquette has lost three consecutive games to sub-75 teams for the first time in 15 years.
One day closer to a change, gents. It will happen.
That was bad. Can't lose that game if you want to make the tournament. Came out flat. Came alive in the second half, but overcoming a 15-point deficit is just too much. The biggest problem for me is that St. John's was just the better team. Better, quicker, deeper. Anderson has been there a year and his team looks farther along than ours after 6.5 years.
The Johnnies are really fun to watch. Champagnie & Posh are really enjoyable players. Not sure how far Anderson's style will carry them, but that's a fun bunch to watch.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on January 31, 2021, 04:50:16 PM
Good news is more and more stakeholders appear to be getting on-board.
Please tell me you are not referring to scoopers?
Is this a bad time to mention SJU is missing their second leading scorer?
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 31, 2021, 04:54:06 PM
Oso is so bad he gets zero of the Lewis minutes?
That is what I was thinking.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 31, 2021, 04:56:45 PM
Please tell me you are not referring to scoopers?
Most definitely not. Scoop is not always reflective of perceived real-world logic.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 31, 2021, 04:49:26 PM
Every single unnatural carnal knowledgeing game we turn the ball over on our under basket out of bounds play.
Twice today. Killed us.
Thrice (given the arrow).
Let's face it, they can't inbound the ball and not just this game. Loved the way they played aggressively in the second half. Its very frustrating to watch but I'll never give up on my team.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 31, 2021, 04:51:44 PM
Three bench players only shot the ball once combined.
And that was a total brick.
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 31, 2021, 04:54:57 PM
Yup. Garcia wide open at the FT line with his defender shielded behind. Pass was terrible.
Hmm, this play, Ft's near end of game (Prov, WI). Tight collar?
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on January 31, 2021, 04:55:57 PM
Marquette has lost three consecutive games to sub-75 teams for the first time in 15 years.
Great stat, GW.
Sure nice second half effort but yet again didn't have it when it mattered the most.
Having 0 bench points when you're down 15 to St John's in the first half is criminal. I know they came back with the starters but come on Wojo.
You're team is under .500 and you've got three of your scholarship players- a top 100 recruit, a 14ppg scorer from a smaller conference, and a redshirt that's been with your program for a year and a half- that barely get in the game.
Did I mention that this is happening while your team isn't winning games with the same lineups you keep putting out there?? I'm not sure you would have won a lot more but you'd at least have fresher legs. End of the season collapse year after year and then this stinker, gtfo.
Speaking of criminal- as a head coach it's your job to always be on top of your game. There was a stoppage and an out of bounds play with 3 seconds left. You've got a 47% three point shooter on the bench and you're down two and you leave him on the bench? Absolute joke
There is no better time than now to move on, no matter who or how many transfer out. This university needs a fresh start
The high water mark for this program is to make the tournament once or twice every 4 years and this ain't the year.
This game was lost the last few minutes of the second half. Akanno looked lost out there. Turnover and completely lost his man on defense. I don't know why he received any minutes.
I'll be alive longer than Wojo will be MU's head coach (God willing). I'm just waiting him out at this point
Watched the UConn women before our game and couldn't help but think as I watched them that as far as fundamentals go, they are better than our team.
After the last play today, I was reminded of another quote about the UConn women's preparation.
One of their players said in an interview that a lot of coaches practice until the team gets it right. Auriemma coaches until they can't get it wrong.
I guess there's coaching, and then there's coaching.
I really like this team. They're just horribly coached.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 31, 2021, 05:15:34 PM
I really like this team. They're just horribly coached.
100%. I think this team is actually a really poor fit for Wojo. Probably why I like this roster
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 31, 2021, 05:15:34 PM
I really like this team. They're just horribly coached.
Agreed. This team has talent and a lot of positives. That our biggest wins were early in the year and now we can't beat or barely squeak by against the worst Big East basketball programs speaks volume to how bad they are being coached and developed.
The over/under on wins the rest of the year is 1.5
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 31, 2021, 04:56:13 PM
That was bad. Can't lose that game if you want to make the tournament. Came out flat. Came alive in the second half, but overcoming a 15-point deficit is just too much. The biggest problem for me is that St. John's was just the better team. Better, quicker, deeper. Anderson has been there a year and his team looks farther along than ours after 6.5 years.
You're right. But anyone - before today - that thought this was a tournament team, hasn't been paying attention. Bottom feeders in the BE are not suddenly going to rise up and get in the Tournament.
This is simply a bad team with a bad coach. There is no way around that. Changes need to be made at the top. And it doesn't matter how many assistants go with him.
Recently, we play maybe 15 good, high energy minutes a game. That was enough to comeback against Georgetown. It won't win many games in the Big East.
Quote from: Jockey on January 31, 2021, 05:22:28 PM
You're right. But anyone - before today - that thought this was a tournament team, hasn't been paying attention. Bottom feeders in the BE are not suddenly going to rise up and get in the Tournament.
This is simply a bad team with a bad coach. There is no way around that. Changes need to be made at the top. And it doesn't matter how many assistants go with him.
Win this, beat Butler twice, beat DePaul, win one of of the other four, you're in the mix. Win two of them and you're in. And when you're 8-8 and have a favorable schedule, getting in has to be the goal. Especially for a team that was 5-2 with two top-30 wins.
I don't expect this team to dance. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't have been the goal and achieving that goal should've started today.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 31, 2021, 05:36:37 PM
Recently, we play maybe 15 good, high energy minutes a game. That was enough to comeback against Georgetown. It won't win many games in the Big East.
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Tru dat, well said. It also doesn't help that we cannot hit open triples.
Marquette had not had a losing season since Mike Dukiet last season in 1998-99 before Wojo arrived. Potentially punching his 2nd such season this year
The team played hard in the second half. Three game losing streaks happen in this league. Have to make sure the streak doesn't get to four games.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 31, 2021, 05:07:39 PM
Having 0 bench points when you're down 15 to St John's in the first half is criminal.
I don't understand the shock/complaining about the lack of bench scoring. Realistically we have 7.5 legitimate players, and one of those (our best bench player) was out today. The only legitimate player on the bench was Elliott, who is horribly inconsistent. Where else was all of this bench scoring going to come from? Torrence? Akkano? Oso?
Yeah butt dat's on da coach hoo recruited all dis talent, aina?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 31, 2021, 04:51:49 PM
You fail to recognize that fans don't have control of the coach or the game. We can only be fans - or not. Nothin tower says really matters (sorry tower...)
And you fail to recognize that Tower is a huge Wojo cheerleader. I am aware that fans do not have control of the coach. Wojos performance is what controls, and it is subpar. He has led this program to the bottom and that needs to be pointed out.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 31, 2021, 06:03:01 PM
The team played hard in the second half. Three game losing streaks happen in this league. Have to make sure the streak doesn't get to four games.
With all due respect this isn't three loses to the top teams in our league. And what makes it worse is that in all of those games we played atrocious basketball for long stretches. It's not neccesarily the losses themselves, it's about our level of play.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 31, 2021, 05:46:10 PM
Marquette had not had a losing season since Mike Dukiet last season in 1998-99 before Wojo arrived. Potentially punching his 2nd such season this year
Bob Dukiet.
88-89?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 31, 2021, 06:53:23 PM
With all due respect this isn't three loses to the top teams in our league. And what makes it worse is that in all of those games we played atrocious basketball for long stretches. It's not neccesarily the losses themselves, it's about our level of play.
This.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 31, 2021, 06:53:23 PM
With all due respect this isn't three loses to the top teams in our league. And what makes it worse is that in all of those games we played atrocious basketball for long stretches. It's not neccesarily the losses themselves, it's about our level of play.
There is no question the level of play is sub standard. What has concerned me all season is the lack of consistently playing 40 hard minutes. We have Butler coming up and will need to put up 40 minutes of strong performance to win. They are hungry and have some young talent.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 31, 2021, 07:54:04 PM
There is no question the level of play is sub standard. What has concerned me all season is the lack of consistently playing 40 hard minutes. We have Butler coming up and will need to put up 40 minutes of strong performance to win. They are hungry and have some young talent.
Let's not ignore we gave the Bucky game away until Trice bailed us out with a dumb foul. Creighton is the closest we've had to a complete game, and that was after getting down 13 in the first half.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 31, 2021, 06:03:01 PM
The team played hard in the second half. Three game losing streaks happen in this league. Have to make sure the streak doesn't get to four games.
Yes, 3 game losing steaks do happen... when your one of the worst teams in the league.
Herman, just because this has become typical doesn't make it right.
Looks like I did well by not watching the game and going hiking in the rain forest instead.
Looks like I don't even need to watch the game on DVR.
Gaining a lot of time to do other things by not caring about MU bball.
I like this team, too. I like the players, the talent, the never give up attitude that has been displayed a few times this year.
The problem is that the coaching, the horrible defense, no offensive scheme, constant turnovers, turnovers off OOB plays, etc. costs the team about net -10 points per game. That's tough to overcome. I think with no coaching at all these guys would be free-er and better and with a good coach (and I believe a good coach can be net +10 points per game) these guys would really shine.
Quote from: WarriorFan on January 31, 2021, 08:53:21 PM
I like this team, too. I like the players, the talent, the never give up attitude that has been displayed a few times this year.
Why do you like a team that has only displayed a never give up attitude only a few times?
St. John's went 6 for 13 on guarded three pointers (46%) and 3 for 6 on unguarded three pointers (50%).
They beat us slightly on the offensive boards. We beat them in turnovers (huge surprise). We beat them soundly in getting to the line. Wasn't enough to overcome St. John's hitting shots in the first half.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 31, 2021, 10:16:35 PM
St. John's went 6 for 13 on guarded three pointers (46%) and 3 for 6 on unguarded three pointers (50%).
They beat us slightly on the offensive boards. We beat them in turnovers (huge surprise). We beat them soundly in getting to the line. Wasn't enough to overcome St. John's hitting shots in the first half.
almost nojo ryan eh
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 31, 2021, 10:16:35 PM
St. John's went 6 for 13 on guarded three pointers (46%) and 3 for 6 on unguarded three pointers (50%).
They beat us slightly on the offensive boards. We beat them in turnovers (huge surprise). We beat them soundly in getting to the line. Wasn't enough to overcome St. John's hitting shots in the first half.
They did make some contested shots in the first half. The problem is at one point in the game we were 3-17 from distance. You add the fact that when we tied the game with 15 mins left, we proceeded to play an awful 5 mins and allowed them to reestablish control of the game. There's no consistency, and on both ends of the floor.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 31, 2021, 10:16:35 PM
St. John's went 6 for 13 on guarded three pointers (46%) and 3 for 6 on unguarded three pointers (50%).
They beat us slightly on the offensive boards. We beat them in turnovers (huge surprise). We beat them soundly in getting to the line. Wasn't enough to overcome St. John's hitting shots in the first half.
Have you seen the points off turnovers numbers? I felt like we were competitive in the turnover battle but didn't do nearly as much with the possessions created as St John's did.
Yuck.
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 31, 2021, 08:33:12 PM
Looks like I did well by not watching the game and going hiking in the rain forest instead.
Looks like I don't even need to watch the game on DVR.
Gaining a lot of time to do other things by not caring about MU bball.
That sums up how to approach MU men's basketball until that day finally comes when he's no longer the coach.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 31, 2021, 10:34:04 PM
Have you seen the points off turnovers numbers? I felt like we were competitive in the turnover battle but didn't do nearly as much with the possessions created as St John's did.
The points off turnover numbers were 19 - 19 so even. Though since we had less turnovers than they did, that means they were more efficient with scoring after a turnover. Also, a lot more of SJU's points off turnovers were in transition. A lot of Marquette's were after we pulled the ball out and ran a half court offense.
Posh is close to a "perfect" college basketball player in that he is good enough to start for 4 years and to be a huge contributor for all 4 years but probably will not be a serious threat to leave early for the pros.
I obviously don't "like" him because he plays for a conference rival, but I really like his game and the way he gets under the opponent's skin. I'd take a player or three like him on any team I root for.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 31, 2021, 04:46:50 PM
I'll take the 2nd half effort for the rest of the season. That's all I've got for this game.
+1