Come on Bob Knight is available. He'll right this ship. :D
(added wink)
with guys like you, Coughlin is fired after 2 losses.
have a little respect Green Bay
I think it was more of a joke. But firing Crean would be a huge mistake, he's outperforming 250+ division I coaches.
Quote from: marqptm on February 04, 2008, 11:13:53 PM
I think it was more of a joke. But firing Crean would be a huge mistake, he's outperforming 250+ division I coaches.
too bad the other 90 are outperforming him.
I'm not a Crean hater in the least. But....
He needs to win in March without Dwyane Wade, and soon.
This might not be a crazy idea if they lose in the first round in the next couple of years.
Quote from: mviale on February 04, 2008, 11:12:30 PM
with guys like you, Coughlin is fired after 2 losses.
....
Tom Coughlin did take teams out of the 1st round of the playoffs more than once in his career though. :o
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 05, 2008, 01:26:05 AM
I'm not a Crean hater in the least. But....
He needs to win in March without Dwyane Wade, and soon.
This might not be a crazy idea if they lose in the first round in the next couple of years.
next couple? they lose in the 1st round (hell, the 2nd rd too) he
should be on the hot seat. it would be 9yrs with only 1 NCAA first rd victory. and with the combination of talent and exprience that carried over from last yr, anything less than the Sweet 16 this yr would be a huge disappointment. he also has to prove he can recruit, sign, and KEEP a true 'go-to' big guy.
Though I think it's too early to call for his head, Crean should be served notice that he needs to:
1) Cut the hard practices and focus on fundamentals
2) Re-evaluate his assistants
3) Go to coaching seminars on how to beat a zone
4) Think long and hard about how to make the NCAAs. Anything less will have been a disappointment from the expectations before the season started.
5) Reconsider moving away from Converse
Turn up the flames because his seat has just gotten hotter.
Can someone smell a transfer before the end of the year?
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 05, 2008, 02:44:15 AM
Though I think it's too early to call for his head, Crean should be served notice that he needs to:
5) Reconsider moving away from Converse
... are the problems for Marquette's basketball players?
Thanks for clearing up the mystery.
What on Earth are you saying? Or is this some joke that the rest of us are not getting?
What did Chuck Taylor ever do to you?
Would you rather be Marquette or DePaul? How many coaches has DePaul had in Crean's tenure?
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 05, 2008, 02:44:15 AM
Though I think it's too early to call for his head, Crean should be served notice that he needs to:
1) Cut the hard practices and focus on fundamentals
2) Re-evaluate his assistants
3) Go to coaching seminars on how to beat a zone
4) Think long and hard about how to make the NCAAs. Anything less will have been a disappointment from the expectations before the season started.
5) Reconsider moving away from Converse
Turn up the flames because his seat has just gotten hotter.
Can someone smell a transfer before the end of the year?
This years transfer will be............Patrick Hazel
There have been 30 seasons since Al McGuire retired. If memory serves, we have won at least one NCAA tournament game in just 5 of them (2 NCAAs where we won a game/3 wins total under Raymonds, 0/0 under Majerus, 0/0 under Dukiet, 1/2 under O'Neill, 1/1 under Deane and 1/4 under Crean). 14 NCAA wins in 30 years. We are not an elite program by any means. Crean has been our most consistently successful coach since McGuire. I'm not crazy about the lack of balance on this year's team, and he's not perfect, but the odds are that if he ever were to leave, we would do worse with the replacement.
I'm going with Patrick Hazel and Daveed Cubillan. >:(
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 05, 2008, 02:44:15 AM
Though I think it's too early to call for his head, Crean should be served notice that he needs to:
1) Cut the hard practices and focus on fundamentals
2) Re-evaluate his assistants
3) Go to coaching seminars on how to beat a zone
4) Think long and hard about how to make the NCAAs. Anything less will have been a disappointment from the expectations before the season started.
5) Reconsider moving away from Converse
Turn up the flames because his seat has just gotten hotter.
Can someone smell a transfer before the end of the year?
You serious about the converse thing?
Am I missing something?
What do the shoes/uniforms have to do with performance?
Cubillian will probably transfer at the end of the year. He could play much more on a lot of other teams. Too bad I like his game better than Acker.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 05, 2008, 02:44:15 AM
Though I think it's too early to call for his head, Crean should be served notice that he needs to:
3) Go to coaching seminars on how to beat a zone
I can see Crean at a seminar like that.
Instructor; OK Coach, let's get started. The first thing you want to do is establish your dominant low post scorer on the low blocks...
Crean: Uh, excuse me, what if you don't have one of those?
Instructor: OK, then you put your good hands big man with the good court vision in the high post...
Crean: Don't have one of those, either.
Instructor; Do you have guards or wings who can penetrate?
Crean: I got about 12 of those.
Instructor: OK, good. So you get the ball to one of those guys on the wing and have him drive the lane. When the defense converges on him, have him dish to your big man who can catch a pass and make an uncontested lay-up. You do have some of those, don't you?
Crean: Well, I sorta have one. But he tends to get in foul trouble so I don't like to start him or play him too much. Besides, it takes him a little while to gather himself so by the time he catches the ball and is ready to actually shoot it, it's not an uncontested lay-up anymore.
Instructor: OK, then what you do is, after your penetrator has gotten past the outer defense, you run your quick release dead-eye three point shooter to the three point line ball side and...
Crean: Well, I really don't have one of those, either.
Instructor: OK, OK. These penetrators of yours will have to take it to the rim. How big are they?
Crean: Well, they're about 5-8, 5-11, 6-2 and 6-4 or so.
Instructor: I see. Here's what you do. Get on the phone with Savannah State and see if they have an open date
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 05, 2008, 09:07:43 AM
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 05, 2008, 02:44:15 AM
Though I think it's too early to call for his head, Crean should be served notice that he needs to:
3) Go to coaching seminars on how to beat a zone
I can see Crean at a seminar like that.
Instructor; OK Coach, let's get started. The first thing you want to do is establish your dominant low post scorer on the low blocks...
Crean: Uh, excuse me, what if you don't have one of those?
Instructor: OK, then you put your good hands big man with the good court vision in the high post...
Crean: Don't have one of those, either.
Instructor; Do you have guards or wings who can penetrate?
Crean: I got about 12 of those.
Instructor: OK, good. So you get the ball to one of those guys on the wing and have him drive the lane. When the defense converges on him, have him dish to your big man who can catch a pass and make an uncontested lay-up. You do have some of those, don't you?
Crean: Well, I sorta have one. But he tends to get in foul trouble so I don't like to start him or play him too much. Besides, it takes him a little while to gather himself so by the time he catches the ball and is ready to actually shoot it, it's not an uncontested lay-up anymore.
Instructor: OK, then what you do is, after your penetrator has gotten past the outer defense, you run your quick release dead-eye three point shooter to the three point line ball side and...
Crean: Well, I really don't have one of those, either.
Instructor: OK, OK. These penetrators of yours will have to take it to the rim. How big are they?
Crean: Well, they're about 5-8, 5-11, 6-2 and 6-4 or so.
Instructor: I see. Here's what you do. Get on the phone with Savannah State and see if they have an open date
CT, great post. There is a lot of truth here and it shows what Crean is up against in coaching a team that is just not put together well. I've heard it said that no other coach does as good a job covering up his teams weaknesses as Crean. There might be some truth to that, but a coach can only cover up the weaknesses of the team he put together for so long. Its hard to see where this team is going this year. Its too reminiscent of the same thing that happened last year.
One thing you ommitted in your post - Crean should also mention that the big guy he does have down low, has an unusual tendency to be stepping on the baseline when he catches the ball. That's not good.
Tremendous post, CT, but I'm almost at the point where our problems may be a self-inflicted wound. We bring in three guards who can't shoot at all, then back them up with a pint-sized point guard and another guy who is much better in his mind than he is on the court. TC brought his three stars in 2 1/2 years ago asx the face of the franchise. Right now, that face is Dorian Gray because none of those three has stepped up to the next level and become a team leader.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 05, 2008, 09:07:43 AM
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 05, 2008, 02:44:15 AM
Though I think it's too early to call for his head, Crean should be served notice that he needs to:
3) Go to coaching seminars on how to beat a zone
I can see Crean at a seminar like that.
Instructor; OK Coach, let's get started. The first thing you want to do is establish your dominant low post scorer on the low blocks...
Crean: Uh, excuse me, what if you don't have one of those?
Instructor: OK, then you put your good hands big man with the good court vision in the high post...
Crean: Don't have one of those, either.
Instructor; Do you have guards or wings who can penetrate?
Crean: I got about 12 of those.
Instructor: OK, good. So you get the ball to one of those guys on the wing and have him drive the lane. When the defense converges on him, have him dish to your big man who can catch a pass and make an uncontested lay-up. You do have some of those, don't you?
Crean: Well, I sorta have one. But he tends to get in foul trouble so I don't like to start him or play him too much. Besides, it takes him a little while to gather himself so by the time he catches the ball and is ready to actually shoot it, it's not an uncontested lay-up anymore.
Instructor: OK, then what you do is, after your penetrator has gotten past the outer defense, you run your quick release dead-eye three point shooter to the three point line ball side and...
Crean: Well, I really don't have one of those, either.
Instructor: OK, OK. These penetrators of yours will have to take it to the rim. How big are they?
Crean: Well, they're about 5-8, 5-11, 6-2 and 6-4 or so.
Instructor: I see. Here's what you do. Get on the phone with Savannah State and see if they have an open date
OK, I'll admit it -- I laughed. Great post.
On the other hand, thank goodness that, notwithstanding that
other thread, we've got some very talented players on this team. Despite the shortcomings so amusingly detailed in CTWarrior's post, this team is competitive (usually) in the Big East and can play (usually) with the likes of Duke and Wisco.
I think Louisville is a
very good team. When it's all said and done, I think people will see that it's no shame to have lost to Louisville. Getting "bare-ass spanked" (as I think someone called it), well, perhaps there is some shame in that. But, all in all, I think the teams that we've lost to have been good teams. I hope we can turn it around. I keep reminding myself that the team that spanked ND, beat Wisco and played a nice second half against Cinci is in there
somewhere. Man, I'd like to watch
that team more often.
Quote from: mviale on February 04, 2008, 11:12:30 PM
with guys like you, Coughlin is fired after 2 losses.
have a little respect Green Bay
mviale, it was just a joke man. I was just trying to provide a little humor after a depressing night of MU basketball.
Quote from: MUFanInGreenBay on February 05, 2008, 03:14:24 PM
Quote from: mviale on February 04, 2008, 11:12:30 PM
with guys like you, Coughlin is fired after 2 losses.
have a little respect Green Bay
mviale, it was just a joke man. I was just trying to provide a little humor after a depressing night of MU basketball.
Apperently a wink and a laughing face isn't enough to indicate a joke around here. I reccomend two winks, three laughing faces and putting *joking* at the start and end of the post.
HOLY MELTDOWN! I would hate to see what happens around here if we have a sub 500 record in one of the toughest conferences in the country but okay I will play along. I say James and McNeal leave for the NBA. Matthews transfers to the rodents and makes daddy happy. Acker leaves with Buckley to wherever he goes. Cube decides he needs to go back home. Burke graduates and decides to say screw this. Christopherson and Hazel both decide that even though everyone else has graduated, transfered out or went pro their still won't be any playing team so they transfer out to some mid-majors and our only returning player will be Mbakwe who will be our player next year and will single handedly not only win us the conference title but will carry TC on his back and get coach his first NCAA tourny win since the final four run. WooooooHooooooo.
Quote from: mugrack on February 05, 2008, 08:37:26 AM
Cubillian will probably transfer at the end of the year.
Funny you should say that...a few weeks ago I had a dream in which exactly that happened.
Not sure what that says about the state of the program, nor am I quite sure what dreaming about the state of the program says about me.... :o
Not serious about Converse = bad hoops, but don't ya feel like you want to remove EVERYTHING associated with this year?
But then again, who know? Maybe an "LA Gear" moment is still to be had this season!!! :D
Easy. The year aint over. I'd say .. 70/30 we make the NCAAs. Whether we win a game in March is a crap shoot, but I think we still match up well with a lot of teams. 50/50 chance we win a game, without knowing the team.
with fans like these - who needs enemies?
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 05, 2008, 02:44:15 AM
5) Reconsider moving away from Converse
did i miss something? whats this about? are we moving away from converse?
We will win at least 1 game in March. Don't forget, Florida Gulf Coast is our late-season cupcake on March 4th.
I agree, this is the year that we will win at least 1 in the NCAA's, regardless of who the opponent is.
Um, you guys are aware that we are currently the #16 ranked team in the country? I know that with the last loss we will drop, but I don't think that puts us "on the bubble." This is a very good team that almost beat an excellent Duke team and beat Wisconsin at home. Do we have nothing to worry about? Hardly. But the sky is not falling.
I think the issue with Crean is that he did not have his team prepared. He has to be one of the worst game coaches in the Big East. He really does little to respond to surprises (WV) or more importantly create surprises. There is seldom an effective plan B. Despite the normal issues with Barro he was not in foul trouble on MOnday and was coming off a good game. Despite MU having issues defending inside he spent much of the 2nd half on the bench.
In Al's day, he would work the team hard but knew how to read the team. There were some practices before a big road game where Al would tell a NY story and then say he was leaving and just shoot around if you wanted. This day of rest is never on Crean's agenda and it provided time for the team to consider what AL was doing. It was a way for him to get the team up for a game without having to do the Rah Rah. Not sure what Crean does to get the team mentally ready but it sure is not working. Usually someone steps up but not on this team. Hard practices have something to do with it. Why not spend the time working on different defenses and the other team's inbound plays. Changing defenses should work wonders with an active team as well as a real press. With all the speed and playing 10 players one would think a trap press would be effective. Maybe he's saving it for March. I don't mind the team losing as much as being uninspired and seemingly unprepared and being an embarrassment on ESPN. That's why Crean should be put on notice as he can't keep living off the success of 2003.
The worst thing in the world would be to consider firing Crean. The coach of the Giants ,Tom Coughlin, hadbeen on the firing line for years and now he has won the Superbowl.Tom Crean is a dedicated reruiter, a very good gamecoach. He also does not have any of the sleaze of some programs. Every season since he has been the coach has been enjoyable for me. I have enjoyed this season in that we have beaten Wisconsin, Notre Dame and Cincinatti and if the refs were not so influential; Duke. We are an elite program and some day in the next six-nine years will win the national championship. Al took mamy years to win and it was sweet. The sweetness will return but we need a little bit of patience. All the best.
patso. But, I prefer to deal in reality.
Quote from: patso on February 06, 2008, 08:44:03 PM
...Tom Crean is a dedicated reruiter, a very good gamecoach. ....
dedicated, maybe, but not a good recruiter. i mentioned this earlier, he has failed to ever land a "highly convetted recruit". no elite programs wanted Wade because his grade were in the toliet. James was abandoned by most of the big schools in Indiana.
HE HAS NEVER LANDED A 'GO-TO' POST PLAYER and the center he did recruit to lead never played high school basketball.
Quote from: patso on February 06, 2008, 08:44:03 PM
Every season since he has been the coach has been enjoyable for me....
Al took mamy years to win and it was sweet.
my freshman yr in '02-'03 was great!!! there have been many enjoyable games, a few enjoyable seasons, and four straight miserable endings. Al at least showed improvement from season to season, and did the novel thing of leading teams to NCAA tournament wins.
Quote from: patso on February 06, 2008, 08:44:03 PM
The coach of the Giants ,Tom Coughlin, hadbeen on the firing line for years and now he has won the Superbowl.
Coughlin had success with Jacksonville prior to the Giants. as much as Coughlin is a good story, Eli Manning's game did a 180 from the 1st half of the season. He was the reson they won the Super Bowl, he plays like sh#t, they don't beat Tampa Bay (or maybe even make the playoffs). Let's not forget Farve's "who's he throwing to" interception in OT at the 20 helped.
I think North Carolina should fire Williams. He lost at home to Duke.