https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2020/08/19/big-east-basketball-teams-to-wear-black-lives-matter-patches/#771768e77539
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Tough break for Fox News viewers
Good for them. Glad the BE is on the right side of history. Sad some of the meat eating men of Scoop will not be watching any BE conference teams play basketball this year. Or maybe ever again.
Quote from: BLM on August 20, 2020, 10:24:01 PM
Good for them. Glad the BE is on the right side of history. Sad some of the meat eating men of Scoop will not be watching any BE conference teams play basketball this year. Or maybe ever again.
Don't they have their own board now that they're developing so it can be as political as they want as long as it fits their narratives?
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Should sho out super during the Zoom games, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 21, 2020, 06:07:29 AM
Should sho out super during the Zoom games, hey?
Don't worry, Doc. I'm sure they'll wear the patch for the 2021-22 season if this season gets canceled.
Like the idea, but don't like the politics
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Quote from: sodakmu87 on August 21, 2020, 08:11:29 AM
Like the idea, but don't like the politics
do you think the same was said 65 years ago when john lewis marched across a bridge and was nearly beaten to death....a bridge that is still named after a grand dragon of the kkk?
i fail to see the politics in stating that black lives matter, and i understand that it's being politicized (which is being done so to get the exact statement that you just shared), but that doesn't mean you turn around and don't cross the bridge....especially if you want to hold yourself to the standard of a jesuit university.
Quote from: avid1010 on August 21, 2020, 08:59:07 AM
do you think the same was said 65 years ago when john lewis marched across a bridge and was nearly beaten to death....a bridge that is still named after a grand dragon of the kkk?
i fail to see the politics in stating that black lives matter, and i understand that it's being politicized (which is being done so to get the exact statement that you just shared), but that doesn't mean you turn around and don't cross the bridge....especially if you want to hold yourself to the standard of a jesuit university.
Nailed it.
The only reason it's a "politics" issue is so the people who benefit from the system we live in can continue to do so while pretending this is a political issue, when it's really just a matter of basic human rights. Equality is not political. People who benefit from not having equality try to distract from the real issue that BLM is addressing.
People who get upset about a patch or worry about it being political should be less comfortable with their racism.
NFL players have patches on their uniforms and stickers on their helmets for all sorts of things, and I don't see the same hand wringing, and pearl clutching.
Just to be clear:
American flag patch - A-okay
Patch for cancer awareness - A-okay
Patch that says BLM - POLITICS IS BAD
So as long as the patch fits your belief structure, its fine, but if not, its political garbage, and the solution is to call people sheep.
Fully understood.
"Shut up and dribble"
Some were hoping for the Q-ANON patch instead.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 21, 2020, 09:32:17 AM
"Shut up and dribble"
Stick to sports!
Also, let's elect a washed up college football coach to the U.S. Senate!
The Big East has steadily, and without declared initiatives or policies, hired more Black Head Coaches than any other power conference (Anderson, Cooley, Ewing, Jordan, Leitao; in recent years, they have also had JTIII and Purnell as well). They have helped create Coaches For Action, founded by 21 Assistant Coaches in the Big East on a mission to use their platform to educate and bring awareness to social injustices. They have had, and will continue to have, numerous young Black student-athletes play and represent the schools and the conference at the highest levels of college basketball.
It is important for the league, and our school as a part of it, to help support and create any change it can for the institutions or beyond. I think the Big East has been one of the transformational conferences in college athletics today, and this is just another positive example of that.
Personally, I think it is cool. I know others may not agree.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on August 21, 2020, 11:25:49 AM
The Big East has steadily, and without declared initiatives or policies, hired more Black Head Coaches than any other power conference (Anderson, Cooley, Ewing, Jordan, Leitao; in recent years, they have also had JTIII and Purnell as well). They have helped create Coaches For Action, founded by 21 Assistant Coaches in the Big East on a mission to use their platform to educate and bring awareness to social injustices. They have had, and will continue to have, numerous young Black student-athletes play and represent the schools and the conference at the highest levels of college basketball.
It is important for the league, and our school as a part of it, to help support and create any change it can for the institutions or beyond. I think the Big East has been one of the transformational conferences in college athletics today, and this is just another positive example of that.
Personally, I think it is cool. I know others may not agree.
Yup
People who think this basketball should "stay out of politics" fail to realize that a) this is a human rights issue, not a "political" issue and b) sports, including Marquette sports, have always played a major role in civil rights movements in this country, which we should be proud of.
How quickly some have forgotten that Al himself rejected the 1970 NCAA Tournament bid, allegedly due to Kentucky HC Adolph Rupp's comments/beliefs about playing against black players. This board would have a collective brain aneurysm if Marquette rejected a tourney bid for ""political"" reasons today. And that happened 50 years ago. And people today somehow freak out about a little patch saying "Black Lives Matter", which shouldn't even be a controversial statement. Get a grip.
Marquette has a made a history of supporting black student athletes and giving them a voice, going back to the Al days. If this patch helps our student athletes feel like their voices are being heard, I'm all for it.
Quote from: YaBlueIt on August 21, 2020, 12:11:14 PM
People who think this basketball should "stay out of politics" fail to realize that a) this is a human rights issue, not a "political" issue and b) sports, including Marquette sports, have always played a major role in civil rights movements in this country, which we should be proud of.
How quickly some have forgotten that Al himself rejected the 1970 NCAA Tournament bid, allegedly due to Kentucky HC Adolph Rupp's comments/beliefs about playing against black players. This board would have a collective brain aneurysm if Marquette rejected a tourney bid for ""political"" reasons today. And that happened 50 years ago. And people today somehow freak out about a little patch saying "Black Lives Matter", which shouldn't even be a controversial statement. Get a grip.
Marquette has a made a history of supporting black student athletes and giving them a voice, going back to the Al days. If this patch helps our student athletes feel like their voices are being heard, I'm all for it.
Just a point of clarification, Al turned down the 1970 NCAA because they slotted MU in the Midwest rather than the closer Mideast. Al and Rupp, though, certainly had their differences on Rupp's beliefs.
Quote from: Nukem2 on August 21, 2020, 12:28:25 PM
Just a point of clarification, Al turned down the 1970 NCAA because they slotted MU in the Midwest rather than the closer Mideast. Al and Rupp, though, certainly had their differences on Rupp's beliefs.
Thanks, I should have clarified. Rumor is that Rupp had some influence with the NCAA, and didn't want Marquette to play in the Mideast for the reasons I mentioned above. Al rejected the bid in protest.
Again, just a rumor I've heard. Though it doesn't seem Al's type to reject a tourney bid just because he felt the team was disrespected in their seeding or regional placement. This is the "broken sidewalks" guy we're talking about after all. Just my opinion.
Mr recollection is that Al felt his team was being disrespected, period.
Love it! Awesome to support a "movement" that believes:
There is state sanctioned and deliberate and rampant violence inflicted on Blacks. (Totally false)
"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and "villages" that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."
(Sweet! I hereby support BLM and am now all for banging whomever, making babies, abandoning them, and leaving the village to raise those bastards! No doubt absentee fathers and single parent households are the surefire formula for success!)
Western/European culture needs to reconsider its viewpoints and support this enlightened "movement" (of idiocy).
Quote from: Elonsmusk on August 21, 2020, 01:05:47 PM
(Sweet! I hereby support BLM and am now all for banging whomever, making babies, abandoning them, and leaving the village to raise those bastards! No doubt absentee fathers and single parent households are the surefire formula for success!)
You know that little voice in your head that tells you not to do something? You probably should have listened to it before you typed the above.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 21, 2020, 01:11:01 PM
You know that little voice in your head that tells you not to do something? You probably should have listened to it before you typed the above.
What do you find so offensive? This is a tenant of BLM's ideology - they don't support the Western prescribed nuclear family. Personal responsibility is eschewed.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on August 21, 2020, 01:05:47 PM
Love it! Awesome to support a "movement" that believes:
There is state sanctioned and deliberate and rampant violence inflicted on Blacks. (Totally false)
"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and "villages" that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."
(Sweet! I hereby support BLM and am now all for banging whomever, making babies, abandoning them, and leaving the village to raise those bastards! No doubt absentee fathers and single parent households are the surefire formula for success!)
Western/European culture needs to reconsider its viewpoints and support this enlightened "movement" (of idiocy).
Hey, at least you aren't someone who is trying to hide the fact they are clear racists. You just come out and let the world know. Good for you.
Black. Lives. Matter. That's all I came here to say.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on August 21, 2020, 01:05:47 PM
"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and "villages" that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."
But while I'm at it, I'll add "It takes a village." I couldn't raise my daughter without the support of my extended family, my friends, the day care workers, the teenagers I hire to babysit her, and someday her teachers. As a teacher myself, I am proud to be part of the collective raising other people's children.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on August 21, 2020, 01:05:47 PM
Love it! Awesome to support a "movement" that believes:
There is state sanctioned and deliberate and rampant violence inflicted on Blacks. (Totally false)
"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and "villages" that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."
(Sweet! I hereby support BLM and am now all for banging whomever, making babies, abandoning them, and leaving the village to raise those bastards! No doubt absentee fathers and single parent households are the surefire formula for success!)
Western/European culture needs to reconsider its viewpoints and support this enlightened "movement" (of idiocy).
Hey folks, if you're wondering why I'm sometimes embarrassed to be an American (let alone an MU alumi) it because of knuckle dragging simps like this that lack the ability to critically think.
Quote from: BLM on August 21, 2020, 01:17:02 PM
Hey, at least you aren't someone who is trying to hide the fact they are clear racists. You just come out and let the world know. Good for you.
Calling someone a racist is the saddest and most common response for someone who does not want to debate facts. Grow up.
For the record, I'm cool with the BLM patch on uniforms.
Quote from: BLM on August 21, 2020, 01:17:02 PM
Hey, at least you aren't someone who is trying to hide the fact they are clear racists realist You just come out and let the world know. Good for you.
Fixed for you. It would be nice if BLM transacted in an actual honest discussion of the reality of race in the U.S.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on August 21, 2020, 01:05:47 PM
Love it! Awesome to support a "movement" that believes:
There is state sanctioned and deliberate and rampant violence inflicted on Blacks. (Totally false)
"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and "villages" that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."
(Sweet! I hereby support BLM and am now all for banging whomever, making babies, abandoning them, and leaving the village to raise those bastards! No doubt absentee fathers and single parent households are the surefire formula for success!)
Western/European culture needs to reconsider its viewpoints and support this enlightened "movement" (of idiocy).
1. Your quoting the non-profit's mission statement. Just because a non-profit has co-opted the name of a popular movement doesn't mean their mission statement applies to the rest of the movement. During the days of MLK, there were many in the Civil Rights movement who resorted to rioting, violence, communist leanings, etc. That doesn't mean MLK and the entire Civil Rights Movement should be demonized (though many opponents at the time tried to do just that).
2. The reference to "state-sanctioned violence" is in reference to police officers and others who are found not guilty after committing violent crimes against black people. We can argue about how much of it is "deliberate" (certainly at least some of it is) and what "rampant" means but I think your claim of totally false doesn't hold water.
3. I'm really not sure where you got "bastards" and "absentee fathers" from that second quote, seems like a....stretch.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 21, 2020, 01:20:29 PM
Calling someone a racist is the saddest and most common response for someone who does not want to debate facts. Grow up.
Nah. Elon's posting history on this issue is pretty clear.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on August 21, 2020, 01:19:46 PM
Hey folks, if you're wondering why I'm sometimes embarrassed to be an American (let alone an MU alumi) it because of knuckle dragging simps like this that lack the ability to critically think.
Pure irony right here folks.
Yet, your embarrassment to be an American doesn't surprise me in the least as a far left liberal. The angst you guys have over the country you live in (that so many people from all over the world are willing to die for to get into), is beyond bizarre.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 21, 2020, 01:24:16 PM
Nah. Elon's posting history on this issue is pretty clear.
Simple question: Do you believe a nuclear, two-parent household is a better environment for a child than the alternative?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 21, 2020, 01:20:29 PM
Calling someone a racist is the saddest and most common response for someone who does not want to debate facts. Grow up.
For the record, I'm cool with the BLM patch on uniforms.
So when is it appropriate to call somebody or something racist?
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Quote from: Elonsmusk on August 21, 2020, 01:24:41 PM
Pure irony right here folks.
Yet, your embarrassment to be an American doesn't surprise me in the least as a far left liberal. The angst you guys have over the country you live in (that so many people from all over the world are willing to die for to get into), is beyond bizarre.
You don't want to learn anything about BLM. You'd rather drop your racist views and rail about black on black violence. Which happens about as often as white on white violence.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/07/27/why-doesnt-black-lives-matter-doesnt-focus-talk-about-black-black-crime/87609692/
https://www.theroot.com/why-we-never-talk-about-black-on-black-crime-an-answer-1819092337
You're just parroting a talking point.
BECAUSE YOU'RE RACIST, AND CAN'T SEE ITYou can call me far left if you'd like, but I'm quite sure you don't understand the meaning. A reoccurring theme for you.
Just reading through this thread is kind of a downer. The problem is that in today's America, EVERYTHING is politicized - and the PC police are everywhere and oh, so vigilant.
What's the matter with "Black Lives Matter?" Of course they do. But why all the blowback against "All Lives Matter?" That's not anti-anything, it's pro-humanity. But not PC-enough, apparently - can't express THAT at Goodyear.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on August 21, 2020, 01:26:04 PM
Simple question: Do you believe a nuclear, two-parent household is a better environment for a child than the alternative?
That entirely depends. What does said nuclear family look like? Divorce hits 50% of all marriages currently, is it healthier for a child to grow up between two parents screaming at each other all the time or be raise by a group? Ideally we'd all have two parents on the same page that are madly in love and put the child first. That's not reality, so BLM subscribes to a notion that accepts reality saying it's ok and there's no shame in not having the traditional family.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on August 21, 2020, 01:26:04 PM
Simple question: Do you believe a nuclear, two-parent household is a better environment for a child than the alternative?
That's a false dichotomy. I would much rather a child be raised by a loving single parent than by two abusive married ones. It also makes the assumption that someone is "at fault" if there isn't two parents in the household.
Also, that has nothing to do with anything that we are talking about here. What you quoted says nothing about "absentee fathers" and "bastards" as you put it earlier. It's a recognition that just because there aren't two married parents doesn't mean it is not a family. And as SaveOD said, "it takes a village." My daughter is less than a year old and she already has a team of people outside of my wife and I helping to raise her.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on August 21, 2020, 01:26:04 PM
Simple question: Do you believe a nuclear, two-parent household is a better environment for a child than the alternative?
In ideal circumstances sure. But it isn't always the better alternative.
If you look at the sentence you quoted from BLM, it doesn't dispute the concept of a two-parent nuclear family either. In fact it made it clear that the "collective care for one another" concept is only extended "to the degree that mothers, parents and children are comfortable."
That's hardly a knock on the nuclear family. It just states that it doesn't need to be a "requirement." Which is true. (Although I don't think that it is actually a "requirement" in many places these days.)
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on August 21, 2020, 01:32:16 PM
What's the matter with "Black Lives Matter?" Of course they do. But why all the blowback against "All Lives Matter?" That's not anti-anything, it's pro-humanity. But not PC-enough, apparently - can't express THAT at Goodyear.
It's been explained repeatedly. Not going to do it again.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on August 21, 2020, 01:32:16 PM
Just reading through this thread is kind of a downer. The problem is that in today's America, EVERYTHING is politicized - and the PC police are everywhere and oh, so vigilant.
What's the matter with "Black Lives Matter?" Of course they do. But why all the blowback against "All Lives Matter?" That's not anti-anything, it's pro-humanity. But not PC-enough, apparently - can't express THAT at Goodyear.
https://www.parents.com/kids/responsibility/racism/reasons-all-lives-matter-doesnt-work-in-terms-simple-enough-for-a-child/
My personal favorite one:
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Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 21, 2020, 01:20:29 PM
Calling someone a racist is the saddest and most common response for someone who does not want to debate facts.
One of America's long-standing problems is that people have been too willing to let racists say and do racist crap. We understandably don't like conflict or confrontation. So we nervously shift our weight in our chairs when somebody tells a racist joke, we say nothing when an acquaintance does or says racist crud.
Thankfully, that is changing, as more people of all races have had it up to here with it.
Ners has demonstrated repeatedly, and in numerous threads, over a long stretch of time, that he is a racist. I am glad he is being called out. Again.
If it walks, quacks and looks like a duck, it's a duck.
Quote from: MU82 on August 21, 2020, 01:40:52 PM
One of America's long-standing problems is that people have been too willing to let racists say and do racist crap. We understandably don't like conflict or confrontation. So we nervously shift our weight in our chairs when somebody tells a racist joke, we say nothing when an acquaintance does or says racist crud.
Thankfully, that is changing, as more people of all races have had it up to here with it.
Ners has demonstrated repeatedly, and in numerous threads, over a long stretch of time, that he is a racist. I am glad he is being called out. Again.
Correct. It is the responsibility of everyone to call out racist behavior when they see it. Silence is deafening, and bad behavior doesn't change if we just ignore it. If we don't say something, this same bad behavior is something children pick up on.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on August 21, 2020, 01:32:16 PM
Just reading through this thread is kind of a downer. The problem is that in today's America, EVERYTHING is politicized - and the PC police are everywhere and oh, so vigilant.
What's the matter with "Black Lives Matter?" Of course they do. But why all the blowback against "All Lives Matter?" That's not anti-anything, it's pro-humanity. But not PC-enough, apparently - can't express THAT at Goodyear.
"All Lives Matter" was created to politicize Black Lives Matter.
"All Lives Matter" diminishes the message of Black Lives Matter.
All Lives can't matter until Black Lives Matter. So just say it. It isn't hard. Black Lives matter.
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Quote from: mileskishnish72 on August 21, 2020, 01:32:16 PM
Just reading through this thread is kind of a downer. The problem is that in today's America, EVERYTHING is politicized - and the PC police are everywhere and oh, so vigilant.
What's the matter with "Black Lives Matter?" Of course they do. But why all the blowback against "All Lives Matter?" That's not anti-anything, it's pro-humanity. But not PC-enough, apparently - can't express THAT at Goodyear.
I don't think you're trying to be a bad guy here, so all I'll say is that you should do a little homework on this if you really don't understand.
For example, here is a nice piece on the subject from Parents magazine:
https://www.parents.com/kids/responsibility/racism/reasons-all-lives-matter-doesnt-work-in-terms-simple-enough-for-a-child/
White people do not have to be validated in this country. They are not being pulled over by cops or profiled in stores just because they are white. Us white folks have mattered in America since before America was America. We KNOW white people matter.
I do hope you get the distinction.
I know a lot of people can't comprehend the anti-BLM side of things and just boil things down to racism, which is understandable. Just know that me and it seems like others are not going to support this organization in anyway. If that means losing one of my greatest loves, marquette basketball, then it is what it is. I cannot support even a Marxist adjacent organization, let alone one that is openly Marxist.
I wish they could just do a patch like "End Police Brutality" or "End Racism" or promote racial issues in any other way other than increasing the BLM brand.
I've been a season ticket holder for over 10 years and it looks like I won't even watch games this year let alone get season tickets.
I love you all, even those that think I'm being racist, I wish you all the best in life. God bless.
Quote from: MU82 on August 21, 2020, 01:40:52 PM
One of America's long-standing problems is that people have been too willing to let racists say and do racist crap. We understandably don't like conflict or confrontation. So we nervously shift our weight in our chairs when somebody tells a racist joke, we say nothing when an acquaintance does or says racist crud.
Thankfully, that is changing, as more people of all races have had it up to here with it.
Ners has demonstrated repeatedly, and in numerous threads, over a long stretch of time, that he is a racist. I am glad he is being called out. Again.
As any right thinking person would agree, less racism is good and just. I think the term is over used to end conversations or debates and is becoming a term that resembles the 'boy who cried wolf'. It does not carry as much weight like it should. JMHO.
Quote from: kryza on August 21, 2020, 01:55:31 PM
I know a lot of people can't comprehend the anti-BLM side of things and just boil things down to racism, which is understandable. Just know that me and it seems like others are not going to support this organization in anyway. If that means losing one of my greatest loves, marquette basketball, then it is what it is. I cannot support even a Marxist adjacent organization, let alone one that is openly Marxist.
I wish they could just do a patch like "End Police Brutality" or "End Racism" or promote racial issues in any other way other than increasing the BLM brand.
I've been a season ticket holder for over 10 years and it looks like I won't even watch games this year let alone get season tickets.
I love you all, even those that think I'm being racist, I wish you all the best in life. God bless.
You have to put in the work to understand, you can't just walk away from the problem because it offends you.
Quote from: kryza on August 21, 2020, 01:55:31 PM
I know a lot of people can't comprehend the anti-BLM side of things and just boil things down to racism, which is understandable. Just know that me and it seems like others are not going to support this organization in anyway. If that means losing one of my greatest loves, marquette basketball, then it is what it is. I cannot support even a Marxist adjacent organization, let alone one that is openly Marxist.
I wish they could just do a patch like "End Police Brutality" or "End Racism" or promote racial issues in any other way other than increasing the BLM brand.
I've been a season ticket holder for over 10 years and it looks like I won't even watch games this year let alone get season tickets.
I love you all, even those that think I'm being racist, I wish you all the best in life. God bless.
The BLM patches are for the movement, not the LLC that co-opted the name.
If you don't realize that, it's your loss. Pretty dumb thing to drop your season tickets over.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 21, 2020, 01:57:43 PM
As any right thinking person would agree, less racism is good and just. I think the term is over used to end conversations or debates and is becoming a term that resembles the 'boy who cried wolf'. It does not carry as much weight like it should. JMHO.
I understand what you're saying. I do not throw the word around casually. But sometimes the wolf really is a wolf.
Sadly, Ners has demonstrated repeatedly that he is a racist. So much anger and hate.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 21, 2020, 01:59:22 PM
The BLM patches are for the movement, not the LLC that co-opted the name.
If you don't realize that, it's your loss. Pretty dumb thing to drop your season tickets over.
What this thread has really taught me is how people buy into a narrative that is comfortable for them so they can ignore a movement that they are uncomfortable with.
Its their excuse to do nothing. Again.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on August 21, 2020, 02:02:35 PM
What this thread has really taught me is how people buy into a narrative that is comfortable for them so they can ignore a movement that they are uncomfortable with.
Its their excuse to do nothing. Again.
Correct.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 21, 2020, 01:32:44 PM
That entirely depends. What does said nuclear family look like? Divorce hits 50% of all marriages currently, is it healthier for a child to grow up between two parents screaming at each other all the time or be raise by a group? Ideally we'd all have two parents on the same page that are madly in love and put the child first. That's not reality, so BLM subscribes to a notion that accepts reality saying it's ok and there's no shame in not having the traditional family.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 21, 2020, 01:36:35 PM
In ideal circumstances sure. But it isn't always the better alternative.
If you look at the sentence you quoted from BLM, it doesn't dispute the concept of a two-parent nuclear family either. In fact it made it clear that the "collective care for one another" concept is only extended "to the degree that mothers, parents and children are comfortable."
That's hardly a knock on the nuclear family. It just states that it doesn't need to be a "requirement." Which is true. (Although I don't think that it is actually a "requirement" in many places these days.)
Reasonable responses. In my view, we are crumbling as a country (and to a lesser extent globally) due to a progressive deterioration of personal responsibility.
Divorce of course isn't by any means a predictor of life outcome, yet having an involved and present father is critically important to young men. The absentee father rate in the Black community is markedly higher than other ethnicities. That isn't a "racist" statement. It is a fact. IMO BLM's viewpoint on the nuclear family conveniently makes room for such absenteeism.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2011/06/15/chapter-1-living-arrangements-and-father-involvement/
End of the day, I don't think it is race that determines a person's outcome in life, but instead it is the way in which they are brought into the world. I got blasted for saying poor, uneducated people shouldn't have kids. That applies to all races. Nobody should bring a child into this world if they are not properly educated/skilled to be able to provide/care for it. We are not animals. We have cognitive decision-making ability, access to information, birth control, etc.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 21, 2020, 01:59:22 PM
The BLM patches are for the movement, not the LLC that co-opted the name.
If you don't realize that, it's your loss. Pretty dumb thing to drop your season tickets over.
Fluffy BM gets it and acknowledges the difference between something that is inarguable and an organization that Marxist, racist, anti-Semitic, and hell bent on creating chaos, pain and suffering, coupled with the overthrow of the U.S. government and democracy.
"Go ahead and loot, get your reparations, these stores have insurance," aina?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on August 21, 2020, 01:26:04 PM
Simple question: Do you believe a nuclear, two-parent household is a better environment for a child than the alternative?
That is an amazing level of rationalization.
So I'll paste the whole statement below for context, but I do believe my friends that are part of the LGBTQIA community do in fact make very good parents. I also believe everything else you typed is bs, especially when research/statistics account for poverty and oppression. I'm also sure that support Obama over Trump as Obama fits the "nuclear" family much better than Trump?
BLM Statement:
These are the results of our collective efforts.
The Black Lives Matter Global Network is as powerful as it is because of our membership, our partners, our supporters, our staff, and you. Our continued commitment to liberation for all Black people means we are continuing the work of our ancestors and fighting for our collective freedom because it is our duty.
Every day, we recommit to healing ourselves and each other, and to co-creating alongside comrades, allies, and family a culture where each person feels seen, heard, and supported.
We acknowledge, respect, and celebrate differences and commonalities.
We work vigorously for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension, all people.
We intentionally build and nurture a beloved community that is bonded together through a beautiful struggle that is restorative, not depleting.
We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. To love and desire freedom and justice for ourselves is a prerequisite for wanting the same for others.
We see ourselves as part of the global Black family, and we are aware of the different ways we are impacted or privileged as Black people who exist in different parts of the world.
We are guided by the fact that all Black lives matter, regardless of actual or perceived sexual identity, gender identity, gender expression, economic status, ability, disability, religious beliefs or disbeliefs, immigration status, or location.
We make space for transgender brothers and sisters to participate and lead.
We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.
We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered.
We practice empathy. We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts.
We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work "double shifts" so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.
We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and "villages" that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.
We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).
We cultivate an intergenerational and communal network free from ageism. We believe that all people, regardless of age, show up with the capacity to lead and learn.
We embody and practice justice, liberation, and peace in our engagements with one another.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 21, 2020, 01:59:22 PM
The BLM patches are for the movement, not the LLC that co-opted the name.
If you don't realize that, it's your loss. Pretty dumb thing to drop your season tickets over.
It elevates their brand name, which increases their popularity. Canceling my season tickets and not watching Marquette is the only way I can be sure I'm not helping promote Marxism.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on August 21, 2020, 02:04:55 PM
Reasonable responses. In my view, we are crumbling as a country (and to a lesser extent globally) due to a progressive deterioration of personal responsibility.
Divorce of course isn't by any means a predictor of life outcome, yet having an involved and present father is critically important to young men. The absentee father rate in the Black community is markedly higher than other ethnicities. That isn't a "racist" statement. It is a fact. IMO BLM's viewpoint on the nuclear family conveniently makes room for such absenteeism.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2011/06/15/chapter-1-living-arrangements-and-father-involvement/
End of the day, I don't think it is race that determines a person's outcome in life, but instead it is the way in which they are brought into the world. I got blasted for saying poor, uneducated people shouldn't have kids. That applies to all races. Nobody should bring a child into this world if they are not properly educated/skilled to be able to provide/care for it. We are not animals. We have cognitive decision-making ability, access to information, birth control, etc.
You realize that your same side prevents access to birth control and equal access to education. If your side had a mindset of let's make birth control a right, and not take away equal/affordable housing in suburbs. Then maybe I could see your point a bit better.
I do agree that there is an uncomfortable prevalence of absentee fathers in the African American community. But is the BLM movement to say "we subscribe to traditional values" and then alienate a ton of African American boys and girls who don't fit that? If it's about inclusion, and saying "you matter no matter how you were raised" then that's the way to say it.
Quote from: kryza on August 21, 2020, 02:11:50 PM
It elevates their brand name, which increases their popularity. Canceling my season tickets and not watching Marquette is the only way I can be sure I'm not helping promote Marxism.
Boy, that's awfully naive. Sounds pretty comfortable.
Cancel culture is alive and well.
Quote from: kryza on August 21, 2020, 02:11:50 PM
It elevates their brand name, which increases their popularity. Canceling my season tickets and not watching Marquette is the only way I can be sure I'm not helping promote Marxism.
Do you itemize your taxes to ensure you don't pay into Medicare, social security, police, fire, public schools, parks etc as well?
Quote from: MU82 on August 21, 2020, 02:01:21 PM
I understand what you're saying. I do not throw the word around casually. But sometimes the wolf really is a wolf.
Sadly, Ners has demonstrated repeatedly that he is a racist. So much anger and hate.
82 - For being a liberal, you truly aren't very open-minded, nor tolerant of viewpoints that don't align with yours. I believe you should be banned for calling me a racist. BTW, here is the 2016-forward revised definition for racist:
Racist [ rey-sist ]
Noun
1. Any person who disagrees with a liberal.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 21, 2020, 01:59:22 PM
The BLM patches are for the movement, not the LLC that co-opted the name.
If you don't realize that, it's your loss. Pretty dumb thing to drop your season tickets over.
I'm not sure that BLM the LLC co-opted the name. They've been around for at least 5 years.
Gosh.
It makes me sad that a group of fans that wholeheartedly support a group of mostly black young athletes can't also support that those mostly black young athletes would like to level the playing field for the rest of their black families & friends and (finally!) end racism (overt or otherwise)
That's what the BLM patch is for. If you can't support it, you never should have been supporting Marquette Basketball in the first place.
Quote from: kryza on August 21, 2020, 01:55:31 PM
I know a lot of people can't comprehend the anti-BLM side of things and just boil things down to racism, which is understandable. Just know that me and it seems like others are not going to support this organization in anyway. If that means losing one of my greatest loves, marquette basketball, then it is what it is. I cannot support even a Marxist adjacent organization, let alone one that is openly Marxist.
Two honest questions.
1. Why do you think BLM is a Marxist organization? Marxism is not mentioned in their mission statement and to my knowledge, it is not mentioned in any of their literature. I think the only reference to Marxism is one interview from 2015 where one of the three founders described herself and one of the other founders as "trained Marxists." If an organization has Marxists in their leadership but doesn't push Marxists ideas, does that make the organization Marxist?
2. Why are you afraid of supporting a Marxist organization if you agree with their goals of ending police brutality and racism? Personally, I think Marxism is dumb, doesn't work. Fiscally, I lean more to the right than the left. But I don't think Marxists are evil, just bad at economics. I have no problem agreeing with a Marxist on ending police brutality. Doesn't mean I subscribe to their view on politics.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on August 21, 2020, 02:15:13 PM
Cancel culture is alive and well.
This is actually more a demonstration of Call-out Culture.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on August 21, 2020, 02:23:54 PM
This is actually more a demonstration of Call-out Culture.
Learn something new every day. So canceling tickets = cancel culture. Canceling affiliation/love of MUBB = call-out culture?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 21, 2020, 02:13:57 PM
You realize that your same side prevents access to birth control and equal access to education. If your side had a mindset of let's make birth control a right, and not take away equal/affordable housing in suburbs. Then maybe I could see your point a bit better.
I do agree that there is an uncomfortable prevalence of absentee fathers in the African American community. But is the BLM movement to say "we subscribe to traditional values" and then alienate a ton of African American boys and girls who don't fit that? If it's about inclusion, and saying "you matter no matter how you were raised" then that's the way to say it.
The radical religious right is just as bad for our society as is the radical liberal left. Birth control is a GOOD thing. Though abortion is a complicated issue, I ultimately believe the government does NOT have the right to legislate a woman's body. I'm also supportive of gay/lesbian marriage, and affirmative action.
Those are the areas I share in common with the left. As it relates to education, I can't weigh in there as I'm not at all well-versed in the dynamics of the education system/options available.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on August 21, 2020, 02:17:31 PM
Gosh.
It makes me sad that a group of fans that wholeheartedly support a group of mostly black young athletes can't also support that those mostly black young athletes would like to level the playing field for the rest of their black families & friends and (finally!) end racism (overt or otherwise)
That's what the BLM patch is for. If you can't support it, you never should have been supporting Marquette Basketball in the first place.
From what I've been told, just as the BEast has been a leader among conferences, our coaches and players have been leaders among the BEast and have been some of the loudest voices pushing this cause. Makes me proud as an MU alum.
https://twitter.com/CoachGainey/status/1296438596556263424
https://twitter.com/JakePresutti/status/1296254687348490241
https://twitter.com/Theojohn123/status/1296210592810913792
https://twitter.com/CoachDannyMads/status/1296246241035157507
https://twitter.com/Syboogie10/status/1296204430245875712
https://twitter.com/showout_zayy15/status/1296185156844363777
https://twitter.com/_oso_i/status/1296182751175929856
https://twitter.com/jamalcain24/status/1296160501953638407
https://twitter.com/Sacar_Anim15/status/1296159964541734913
https://twitter.com/ike_eke/status/1296158460086812672
https://twitter.com/TheTrueOne1_/status/1296154612647550977
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on August 21, 2020, 02:32:03 PM
Learn something new every day. So canceling tickets = cancel culture. Canceling affiliation/love of MUBB = call-out culture?
Perhaps I misunderstood/misunderstand your point. Calling out people online with very wrong views of BLM patches = call-out culture. Nobody's voices have been cancelled. Nonetheless, it is still a very divisive tactic.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 21, 2020, 02:38:32 PM
Makes me proud as an MU alum.
https://twitter.com/CoachGainey/status/1296438596556263424
https://twitter.com/JakePresutti/status/1296254687348490241
https://twitter.com/Theojohn123/status/1296210592810913792
https://twitter.com/CoachDannyMads/status/1296246241035157507
https://twitter.com/Syboogie10/status/1296204430245875712
https://twitter.com/showout_zayy15/status/1296185156844363777
https://twitter.com/_oso_i/status/1296182751175929856
https://twitter.com/jamalcain24/status/1296160501953638407
https://twitter.com/Sacar_Anim15/status/1296159964541734913
https://twitter.com/ike_eke/status/1296158460086812672
https://twitter.com/TheTrueOne1_/status/1296154612647550977
Agreed. All other discussion aside. I'm proud of the fine group of young men Wojo has assembled.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 21, 2020, 02:38:32 PM
From what I've been told, just as the BEast has been a leader among conferences, our coaches and players have been leaders among the BEast and have been some of the loudest voices pushing this cause. Makes me proud as an MU alum.
https://twitter.com/CoachGainey/status/1296438596556263424
https://twitter.com/JakePresutti/status/1296254687348490241
https://twitter.com/Theojohn123/status/1296210592810913792
https://twitter.com/CoachDannyMads/status/1296246241035157507
https://twitter.com/Syboogie10/status/1296204430245875712
https://twitter.com/showout_zayy15/status/1296185156844363777
https://twitter.com/_oso_i/status/1296182751175929856
https://twitter.com/jamalcain24/status/1296160501953638407
https://twitter.com/Sacar_Anim15/status/1296159964541734913
https://twitter.com/ike_eke/status/1296158460086812672
https://twitter.com/TheTrueOne1_/status/1296154612647550977
Lol someone sounds an awful lot like Kyrza on the reply to Cain's tweet.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on August 21, 2020, 02:16:22 PM
82 - For being a liberal, you truly aren't very open-minded, nor tolerant of viewpoints that don't align with yours. I believe you should be banned for calling me a racist. BTW, here is the 2016-forward revised definition for racist:
Racist [ rey-sist ]
Noun
1. Any person who disagrees with a liberal.
Cool. Stop being a racist and people will stop calling you a racist.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on August 21, 2020, 02:02:35 PM
What this thread has really taught me is how people buy into a narrative that is comfortable for them so they can ignore a movement that they are uncomfortable with.
Its their excuse to do nothing. Again.
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/LpM872FjZASlTCw2uK/giphy.gif)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 21, 2020, 02:17:13 PM
I'm not sure that BLM the LLC co-opted the name. They've been around for at least 5 years.
And Michael Brown was killed six years ago last Tuesday.
Quote from: kryza on August 21, 2020, 02:11:50 PM
It elevates their brand name, which increases their popularity. Canceling my season tickets and not watching Marquette is the only way I can be sure I'm not helping promote Marxism.
OK. Fight the good fight.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 21, 2020, 03:53:35 PM
And Michael Brown was killed six years ago last Tuesday.
And the seventh anniversary of George Zimmerman's acquittal was a month ago. That's when #blacklivesmatter began.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on August 21, 2020, 02:35:48 PM
The radical religious right is just as bad for our society as is the radical liberal left. Birth control is a GOOD thing. Though abortion is a complicated issue, I ultimately believe the government does NOT have the right to legislate a woman's body. I'm also supportive of gay/lesbian marriage, and affirmative action.
Those are the areas I share in common with the left. As it relates to education, I can't weigh in there as I'm not at all well-versed in the dynamics of the education system/options available.
To be clear...your past statements are racist. I think everyone is racist to a different degree...but I'm also accepting of people calling me out when they believe I say something racist. What you said is truly awful, and people need to denounce that type of language.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on August 21, 2020, 01:22:00 PM
Fixed for you. It would be nice if BLM transacted in an actual honest discussion of the reality of race in the U.S.
race realist (plural race realists)
(euphemistic) A person who believes that empirical evidence exists to support or justify racism (racial discrimination), racial inferiority, or racial superiority
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/race_realist
Glad you made it home from K-Zoo safely. Sounds like things got wild.
bUt BlAcK lIvEs MaTtErS iS mArXiSt!!
WaKe Up ShEepLe!!!
blacks killed in the inner city by blacks don't matter to BLM
Quote from: AlienWarrior on August 21, 2020, 05:18:43 PM
blacks killed in the inner city by blacks don't matter to BLM
If this were true, it likely would mean you and BLM have something in common.
Alas, it isn't true.
Quote from: BLM on August 21, 2020, 09:12:47 AM
Nailed it.
The only reason it's a "politics" issue is so the people who benefit from the system we live in can continue to do so while pretending this is a political issue, when it's really just a matter of basic human rights. Equality is not political. People who benefit from not having equality try to distract from the real issue that BLM is addressing.
Yep. Always good to support Marxism and the destruction oh the nuclear family.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on August 21, 2020, 02:40:19 PM
Perhaps I misunderstood/misunderstand your point. Calling out people online with very wrong views of BLM patches = call-out culture. Nobody's voices have been cancelled. Nonetheless, it is still a very divisive tactic.
The kids/Big East are making a statement and an alum says he/she is canceling his tickets and support.
Isn't that textbook cancel culture? Boycotting because you don't like what the players/MU are saying.
Like that the conference takes action. Unanimous decision from the 11 institutions speaks to it's credibility as a choice and it's serious nature.
As ever, the Big East is the vanguard.
Quote from: MU82 on August 21, 2020, 09:50:31 AM
Some were hoping for the Q-ANON patch instead.
Holy sh*t this made me laugh
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 21, 2020, 03:53:35 PM
And Michael Brown was killed six years ago last Tuesday.
The #BlackLives Matter movement was started, not co-opted, by Patrisse Cullors, Alicia Garza and Opal Tometi in 2013 following the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the Travon Martin killing. They also started the Black Lives Matter Organization in conjunction (simultaneously) with the movement. The movement/organization now has chapters all over the globe and its founders are still recognized as "leaders". They are, in Cullors own words, "trained Marxists" with goals that go well beyond ending police brutality and addressing systemic racism.
Has the movement expanded (especially after the death of George Floyd) to include lots of people with no interest in some of the movement's original goals? Absolutely. And is that a defensible position? Sure. And so is supporting the slogan and being uncomfortable with the whole package. People of good will should stop with the name calling and accept that.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on August 21, 2020, 01:05:47 PM
Love it! Awesome to support a "movement" that believes:
There is state sanctioned and deliberate and rampant violence inflicted on Blacks. (Totally false)
"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and "villages" that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."
(Sweet! I hereby support BLM and am now all for banging whomever, making babies, abandoning them, and leaving the village to raise those bastards! No doubt absentee fathers and single parent households are the surefire formula for success!)
Western/European culture needs to reconsider its viewpoints and support this enlightened "movement" (of idiocy).
Who hurt you?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on August 21, 2020, 01:05:47 PM
Love it! Awesome to support a "movement" that believes:
There is state sanctioned and deliberate and rampant violence inflicted on Blacks. (Totally false)
"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and "villages" that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."
(Sweet! I hereby support BLM and am now all for banging whomever, making babies, abandoning them, and leaving the village to raise those bastards! No doubt absentee fathers and single parent households are the surefire formula for success!)
Western/European culture needs to reconsider its viewpoints and support this enlightened "movement" (of idiocy).
When Theo John tweeted "
We are about change. If you can't support us here. I ask you Please don't support us on the court. #mubb #BlackLivesMatter" this is the exact kind of racist crap he was talking about.
If you don't believe the lives of young men like Theo John, Sacar Anim, & Koby McEwen matter, you should GTFO of the Marquette fanbase. They don't want you here.
https://twitter.com/theojohn123/status/1268335482305425413?s=21
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on August 21, 2020, 01:32:16 PM
Just reading through this thread is kind of a downer. The problem is that in today's America, EVERYTHING is politicized - and the PC police are everywhere and oh, so vigilant.
What's the matter with "Black Lives Matter?" Of course they do. But why all the blowback against "All Lives Matter?" That's not anti-anything, it's pro-humanity. But not PC-enough, apparently - can't express THAT at Goodyear.
Mostly because it's said intentionally as an attempt to minimize black lives matter.
Why does BLM have to answer for the looters but the NRA doesn't have to answer for the shooters?
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on August 21, 2020, 06:07:39 PM
The kids/Big East are making a statement and an alum says he/she is canceling his tickets and support.
Isn't that textbook cancel culture? Boycotting because you don't like what the players/MU are saying.
Gotcha. Shouldn't have, but missed the reference to cancelling tickets.
Quote from: willie warrior on August 21, 2020, 05:52:19 PM
Yep. Always good to support Marxism and the destruction oh the nuclear family.
Shocked you still have this view even after reading 4 pages about how ignorant this viewpoint is.
Quote from: NickelDimer on August 21, 2020, 06:56:55 PM
Holy sh*t this made me laugh
I was only half-kidding.
OK, maybe 3/4 kidding.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/25/patrisse-cullors-black-lives-matter-co-founder-fea/
Quote from: gorush on August 21, 2020, 10:44:12 PM
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/25/patrisse-cullors-black-lives-matter-co-founder-fea/
Ipso fatso, Theo John is a Marxist.
I'm never watching Marquette basketball again.
We
Were Marquette!
Whatever helps people sleep at night. If that's giving up being a fan of Marquette basketball because you can't agree that black lives matter, you do you I guess. You're very much on the wrong side of history.
Is it acceptable to say -
1. Ill continue the critically important work of reducing the real differences in key social, economic factors among the races in America, and
2. I have problems with BLM as an organization.
?
can you be for racial equality and think BLMs critical message of racial justice has been coopted and its not all the fault of the right \ fox news?
Quote from: coffee cup on August 22, 2020, 02:12:05 AM
Is it acceptable to say -
1. Ill continue the critically important work of reducing the real differences in key social, economic factors among the races in America, and
2. I have problems with BLM as an organization.
?
can you be for racial equality and think BLMs critical message of racial justice has been coopted and its not all the fault of the right \ fox news?
1. No. Reducing the real differences in key socioeconomic factors among the races would be akin to rewriting the tax laws in America. What would all those accountants and lawyers do for a living if we were to simplify the tax code?! Politicians on both sides of the aisle have a vested interest in keeping us divided. Maybe we should reduce their influence instead.
2. Yes and No. See above. Depends upon the prism your news is filtered through. Politics, Media and the great divide.
3. Of course you can. You're a free-thinking adult. Be prepared to lose a few friends and family members along the way. Just as many social justice activists became alienated from old friends (and even family) due to their system-challenging, uncomfortable beliefs.
Quote from: coffee cup on August 22, 2020, 02:12:05 AM
Is it acceptable to say -
1. Ill continue the critically important work of reducing the real differences in key social, economic factors among the races in America, and
2. I have problems with BLM as an organization.
?
can you be for racial equality and think BLMs critical message of racial justice has been coopted and its not all the fault of the right \ fox news?
Again, the patch is about the BLM movement. You're willingly being ignorant by saying you don't agree with Marxism so you're feeling alienated by Marquette University for this move.
The disingenuous, ignorant or simply misinformed people here keep saying that BLM wants to "destroy" the nuclear family. Like a lot of things in this thread, that's simply false.
This is what their mission statement says regarding families:
"We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work "double shifts" so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.
We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and "villages" that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."
That's not advocating for the destruction of anything. It's advocating for acceptance of families in all their forms and a system that helps them.
Any other reading of this is intellectually dishonest. It's OK not to agree with all the positions of the BLM organization - I know I don't - but the extent people will go to justify their retrograde thinking here is remarkable.
The same alumni base that included Senator McCarthy is causing a red scare over a BLM patch.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 22, 2020, 07:35:52 AM
The disingenuous, ignorant or simply misinformed people here keep saying that BLM wants to "destroy" the nuclear family. Like a lot of things in this thread, that's simply false.
This is what their mission statement says regarding families:
"We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work "double shifts" so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.
We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and "villages" that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."
That's not advocating for the destruction of anything. It's advocating for acceptance of families in all their forms and a system that helps them.
Any other reading of this is intellectually dishonest. It's OK not to agree with all the positions of the BLM organization - I know I don't - but the extent people will go to justify their retrograde thinking here is remarkable.
That mission statement was revised but it is OK to be remarkable with your retrograde thinkig.
Quote from: willie warrior on August 22, 2020, 08:27:03 AM
That mission statement was revised but it is OK to be remarkable with your retrograde thinkig.
So? Governing documents are revised all the time. Our country used to count black people as 3/5 of a person. Doesn't mean the current governing documents should be thrown out.
Do you have an article that says what it was before?
Quote from: willie warrior on August 22, 2020, 08:27:03 AM
That mission statement was revised but it is OK to be remarkable with your retrograde thinkig.
So you agree that BLM does not advocate the destruction of the nuclear family?
Great. Glad we found some common ground.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 21, 2020, 02:20:55 PM
Two honest questions.
1. Why do you think BLM is a Marxist organization? Marxism is not mentioned in their mission statement and to my knowledge, it is not mentioned in any of their literature. I think the only reference to Marxism is one interview from 2015 where one of the three founders described herself and one of the other founders as "trained Marxists." If an organization has Marxists in their leadership but doesn't push Marxists ideas, does that make the organization Marxist?
2. Why are you afraid of supporting a Marxist organization if you agree with their goals of ending police brutality and racism? Personally, I think Marxism is dumb, doesn't work. Fiscally, I lean more to the right than the left. But I don't think Marxists are evil, just bad at economics. I have no problem agreeing with a Marxist on ending police brutality. Doesn't mean I subscribe to their view on politics.
I asked these questions before and didn't get a response from any one. I'm honestly trying to understand the fear of Marxism. To be clear, I don't believe having one founder describe herself (not the organization) as a Marxist makes the organization Marxist. I also want to be clear that I believe in capitalism, I think Marxism is dumb and doesn't work. But I also have zero problem with agreeing with a Marxist on other topics such as racial justice and police brutality. The sense I'm getting with some is that "Marxists are evil and if they agree with something, it must be evil." Is this residual fear of communism from the Cold War era? Do people truly believe that wearing BLM patches will lead to the overthrow of capitalism? I'm really trying to understand this line of thinking and would appreciate any insight from someone with those concerns.
TAMU I blame Rocky IV
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 22, 2020, 08:43:37 AM
I asked these questions before and didn't get a response from any one. I'm honestly trying to understand the fear of Marxism. To be clear, I don't believe having one founder describe herself (not the organization) as a Marxist makes the organization Marxist. I also want to be clear that I believe in capitalism, I think Marxism is dumb and doesn't work. But I also have zero problem with agreeing with a Marxist on other topics such as racial justice and police brutality. The sense I'm getting with some is that "Marxists are evil and if they agree with something, it must be evil." Is this residual fear of communism from the Cold War era? Do people truly believe that wearing BLM patches will lead to the overthrow of capitalism? I'm really trying to understand this line of thinking and would appreciate any insight from someone with those concerns.
The fear is young black men pushing for social justice and equality under the law. It's 2020 and we still have prevalent racism a clearly unequal justice system. There is also the fear of young black men and women understanding their value to universities. America is the greatest nation in the history of this planet but it's still very flawed and what makes it great is being able to challenge an unfair status quo. Too many people simply fail to see injustice in this world because it's not part of their lives.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 22, 2020, 08:43:37 AM
I asked these questions before and didn't get a response from any one. I'm honestly trying to understand the fear of Marxism. To be clear, I don't believe having one founder describe herself (not the organization) as a Marxist makes the organization Marxist. I also want to be clear that I believe in capitalism, I think Marxism is dumb and doesn't work. But I also have zero problem with agreeing with a Marxist on other topics such as racial justice and police brutality. The sense I'm getting with some is that "Marxists are evil and if they agree with something, it must be evil." Is this residual fear of communism from the Cold War era? Do people truly believe that wearing BLM patches will lead to the overthrow of capitalism? I'm really trying to understand this line of thinking and would appreciate any insight from someone with those concerns.
Yes, I'm willing to bet all the people "worried" about "Marxism" lived through the cold war. Whether they're in the camp of the grifters who used red scare tactics as a political cudgel to fool the rubes into voting against any social or racial progress, or in the camp of the true believers (i.e. the rubes), they're too old to adapt their mindset to the modern world where Marxists have no actual power over anything.
Could have stopped at the word 'fear'.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 22, 2020, 08:34:16 AM
So? Governing documents are revised all the time. Our country used to count black people as 3/5 of a person. Doesn't mean the current governing documents should be thrown out.
Do you have an article that says what it was before?
The counting of blacks as 3/5 a person was actually a compromise at the time meant to reduce the impact of Slavery. The reason this compromise was reached was to reduce the population count of the Slave States and correspondingly reduce their members of Congress ( allocated by population).
Quote from: Trump Loves The Big East on August 22, 2020, 09:25:41 AM
The counting of blacks as 3/5 a person was actually a compromise at the time meant to reduce the impact of Slavery. The reason this compromise was reached was to reduce the population count of the Slave States and correspondingly reduce their members of Congress ( allocated by population).
I'm well aware of the history of the 3/5 compromise. And no, it was not some forethought by our founding fathers to try to end slavery.
Welcome, coffee cup,
IF I were a college student athlete and BLM was outlawed, I would not play for the institution.
Will N.D. allow BLM patches?
Last night I watched FOX and they said, "we are not electing a priest for president, we'er electing a real leader".
Very well said, TAMU, THRILL and Rico.
We have a president actively courting the Q-Anon vote to the point where he's calling a Q-Anon whack-job (and 9/11 truther!) "the future Republican star" ... but his supporters here are up in arms about a patch from an extremely important movement that aims to improve racial equity in America.
It's not a matter of being woke. It's a matter of waking the hell up.
BLM Inc. is a racist, Marxist, anti-Semitic hate group hell bent on overturning democracy and America.
Say it, its not hard. Say it, its ok.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 22, 2020, 12:10:58 PM
BLM Inc. is a racist, Marxist, anti-Semitic hate group hell bent on overturning democracy and America.
Say it, its not hard. Say it, its ok.
And that's still not the patch that they're wearing.
Black Lives Matter. Say it. Believe it. Live it.
You can also say you don't like BLM, Inc. That's ok.
Yep. Truly shocking the board boobs are all liberals. They fit the stereotype perfectly as non-do'ers who never were good at sports or at life in general. So they have a chip on their shoulder and are envious of do'ers and want to keep others down so they don't feel alone.
Don't believe me then maybe you'll believe the people in this video who have a great grasp on the situation and the untold damage the fake virtuous have caused.
https://youtu.be/YvIVSe8VH0w
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 22, 2020, 12:10:58 PM
BLM Inc. is a racist, Marxist, anti-Semitic hate group hell bent on overturning democracy and America.
Say it, its not hard. Say it, its ok.
It is the overturning white privilege that bothers you. If overturning democracy bothered you one bit it is the current regime you'd be upset about.
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Quote from: duanewade on August 22, 2020, 12:17:43 PM
Yep. Truly shocking the board boobs are all liberals. They fit the stereotype perfectly as non-do'ers who never were good at sports or at life in general. So they have a chip on their shoulder and are envious of do'ers and want to keep others down so they don't feel alone.
Don't believe me then maybe you'll believe the people in this video who have a great grasp on the situation and the untold damage the fake virtuous have caused.
https://youtu.be/YvIVSe8VH0w
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Problem with Marxism.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/05/05/karl-marx-communism-death-column/578000002/
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 22, 2020, 12:10:58 PM
BLM Inc. is a racist, Marxist, anti-Semitic hate group hell bent on overturning democracy and America.
Say it, its not hard. Say it, its ok.
Attaboy.
Did "future Republican star" Marjorie Taylor Greene send you your very own Q-Anon Decoder Ring?
Unlike BLM it's a perfect movement for you, Doc. Every Q-Anoner is lily-white, they are into the craziest conspiracy theories out there, and they are absolutely devoted to your emperor; they believe he was put on earth to save us all from pedophile sex rings run by cannibals (all of whom happen to be liberals, of course).
"I don't know much about the movement other than I understand they like me very much, which I appreciate."
Way to go everyone for making this political. No nice things ever....