Markus has joined Dean, Butch and DWade as MU's only consensus 1st team All American
(AP, USBW, NABC and SN).
Hang. The. Banner.
Hair choice will be tough on the bobble head night.
Cancer. Chucker. Selfish. Etc, etc.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 24, 2020, 01:36:20 PM
Cancer. Chucker. Selfish. Etc, etc.
It's OK, reading back at the Dom James thread, PRN didn't like him either. Character revealed.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 24, 2020, 01:36:20 PM
Cancer. Chucker. Selfish. Etc, etc.
Is this type of provocation really necessary? Can't we just congratulate Markus on an historic achievement?
Kudos to Markus!!
Pretty much cements that 0 will be headed to the rafters some day. And it is well deserved.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 24, 2020, 02:00:37 PM
Pretty much cements that 0 will be headed to the rafters some day. And it is well deserved.
Agreed. Partly due to him being only our 4th consensus first-teamer, and partly for his off-court conduct and other extracurriculars (i.e., his participation on the NCAA Men's Basketball Oversight Committee).
Congratulations Markus!
We will miss you greatly.
A no-brainer retirement now.
Once in a generation scorer for MU.
Well deserved. Congrats.
Amazing player. Wonderful Warrior. Thanks, Markus.
Markus has been exceptional and then some on and off the court. The First team AA selection is a well deserved honor. Congrats, Markus, on a wonderful year/career at Marquette!
Quote from: LloydsLegs on March 24, 2020, 01:08:38 PM
Markus has joined Dean, Butch and DWade as MU's only consensus 1st team All American
(AP, USBW, NABC and SN).
Hang. The. Banner.
NIT champ (probably could have won the NCAA tourney)
NCAA Champion and MOP
Final Four and conference champion
Markus
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 24, 2020, 11:56:17 PM
NIT champ (probably could have won the NCAA tourney)
NCAA Champion and MOP
Final Four and conference champion
Markus
Dean was on a powerhouse 1970 team.
Butch played with a top 20 pick and 2nd team AA in Bo, a 2nd round pick in Whitehead, another second rounder in Toone, and Boylan who got drafted but didn't play.
Wade had Diener and Novak, and RJax who arguably was a better player than any of the MU supporting cast this year.
Markus had a team of guys who are nice role players at best.
Holding Markus at arms length because he didn't have the team around him the others did is unfair to his greatness and accomplishments and smacks of the overwrought history worship Marquette fans can trend towards. Not retiring his jersey is petulant and petty
Quote from: LloydsLegs on March 24, 2020, 01:08:38 PM
Markus has joined Dean, Butch and DWade as MU's only consensus 1st team All American
(AP, USBW, NABC and SN).
Hang. The. Banner.
This list states Chones as well
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/awards/all-america-1970-1979.html (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/awards/all-america-1970-1979.html)
Markus joins Butch as MU's only 2 time consensus All American.
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 25, 2020, 06:00:36 AM
This list states Chones as well
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/awards/all-america-1970-1979.html (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/awards/all-america-1970-1979.html)
Markus joins Butch as MU's only 2 time consensus All American.
I think that may be a different definition of consensus - there are at least 5 "consensus" in every year on that list. Good point on 2 time AA for Markus
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 25, 2020, 06:00:36 AM
This list states Chones as well
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/awards/all-america-1970-1979.html (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/awards/all-america-1970-1979.html)
Markus joins Butch as MU's only 2 time consensus All American.
Chones was awesome, and probably
should be listed as a consensus first-teamer...but that list uses a pretty loose definition. (Essentially deeming you consensus if you were first team on two of the four major teams.)
I found the Wiki below, which seems to indicate that they called someone "consensus" if they were first-team on a "majority" (!) of the four major polls. According to the lists, Chones was a first teamer on two of four (AP and UPI), but not listed at all on the NABC or USBWA. I am guessing the latter two deemed him 'ineligible' for leaving early, because he clearly would have been first-team if they hadn't. But technically, he wasn't consensus by the more commonly accepted term requiring first-team status on all four.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 25, 2020, 08:38:43 AM
Chones was awesome, and probably should be listed as a consensus first-teamer...but that list uses a pretty loose definition. (Essentially deeming you consensus if you were first team on two of the four major teams.)
I found the Wiki below, which seems to indicate that they called someone "consensus" if they were first-team on a "majority" (!) of the four major polls. According to the lists, Chones was a first teamer on two of four (AP and UPI), but not listed at all on the NABC or USBWA. I am guessing the latter two deemed him 'ineligible' for leaving early, because he clearly would have been first-team if they hadn't. But technically, he wasn't consensus by the more commonly accepted term requiring first-team status on all four.
Pretty sure "consensus" is majority, as you note. Howard is a Unanimous First Team All-American because he appeared on all four of the recognized lists.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 25, 2020, 12:22:40 AM
Dean was on a powerhouse 1970 team.
Butch played with a top 20 pick and 2nd team AA in Bo, a 2nd round pick in Whitehead, another second rounder in Toone, and Boylan who got drafted but didn't play.
Wade had Diener and Novak, and RJax who arguably was a better player than any of the MU supporting cast this year.
Markus had a team of guys who are nice role players at best.
Holding Markus at arms length because he didn't have the team around him the others did is unfair to his greatness and accomplishments and smacks of the overwrought history worship Marquette fans can trend towards. Not retiring his jersey is petulant and petty
This. No more needs to be said. Congratulations Markus!