Poll
Question:
Would you want our seniors back for another year?
Option 1: Yes
votes: 85
Option 2: No
votes: 108
There is a movement by some coaches calling for Seniors to be allowed to return for an additional year since they were unable to compete in conference and the NCAA tournaments.
Part of me would love to see another year from Howard, Anim, & Johnson. Part of me feels that watching Howard potentially pass Pete Maravich's scoring record in an unprecedented fifth season would cheapen the accomplishment. It would also create chaos from a scholarship perspective, with Marquette looking at maybe 15+ scholarships.
What say you, Scoop? Would you want another year of Howard and company, though possibly losing Mane in the process? Or do you want to stick to collegiate purism and just let them go without another chance at NCAA glory?
What?
First the coronavirus, and then another year of the cancer? Please!
I'd love to have them back but don't think they should or will be.
Markus would not come back, he will be paid well soon. No point even entertaining.
Sacar & Jayce probably have nice pro careers waiting for them as well, but I would love to see either of them back if they wanted.
Imagine a 6th year player with 2 good eyes?!?!? We'd be unstoppable.
Quote from: The Lens on March 12, 2020, 07:38:19 PM
Imagine a 6th year player with 2 good eyes?!?!? We'd be unstoppable.
Otule had a nice season.
They would need to make changes to number of players on a roster, those with a larger % of seniors on their roster might unfairly need to make cuts or tell recruits No. I can't see an equitable way to make that happen.
I'd say yes. Even open the door for declaration and return
Winter sports, no.
Spring sports, yes.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 12, 2020, 08:04:56 PM
Winter sports, no.
Spring sports, yes.
This. They got a full season. Is it only for kids on likely tourney teams? Not happening.
I'd like Anim back about as much as Wojo. Fifth year senior who pulled a major choke down the stretch.
Jayce was a warrior. Limited ability, no doubt, but a guy you can win with. One of MU's better rebounders on both ends in recent memory.
It really doesn't matter. Still no PG on the roster
All 3 can make money somewhere next year. Let them go on and do that. Not many people get a chance to get paid to play a game, even for a few years.
Where can jayce and sacar realistically play and what kinda money ?? Idk i guess some low level euro league for 28k a year
If they did this and M2N happened, do the Hausers come back then?
Not gonna happen these guys played 95% of the scheduled games or so, not gonna give another year. Still think cancelling tournaments was an over reaction. No fans would have been fine.
QuoteNot gonna happen these guys played 95% of the scheduled games or so, not gonna give another year. Still think cancelling tournaments was an over reaction. No fans would have been fine.
Please...just....stop....
No. incredibly stupid idea. Just give them their participation ribbon and send them on their way. Spring sports, I can see that.
I voted no, but it is not a reflection of "our" seniors. Of course I'd love another year of Markus, Sacar and Jayce.
I just don't see a realistic, equitable way of making that happen across all of college basketball.
i didn't vote because it's not a simple "yes/no" issue. why couldn't they entertain resuming everything in may of june? nothing close to the pandemonium we are presently experiencing occurred back in 2009-2010 during the H1N1/swine flu pandemic. waiting a couple of months should get this under control, maybe even have a vaccine available. they could have put all this stuff on hold at least until we could see what the ramifications are going to be. this virus, nor any other strain are going away.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 13, 2020, 01:13:37 AM
Where can jayce and sacar realistically play and what kinda money ?? Idk i guess some low level euro league for 28k a year
Maebee Siberia, hey?
NO ! ! ! Everybody played the whole season, 30 some games... No one (team/school) is being "picked on",
Everyone is in the same boat... Defecation occurs ! ! ! Get on with life.
no thanks. ready to move on.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 13, 2020, 09:21:12 AM
i didn't vote because it's not a simple "yes/no" issue. why couldn't they entertain resuming everything in may of june? nothing close to the pandemonium we are presently experiencing occurred back in 2009-2010 during the H1N1/swine flu pandemic. waiting a couple of months should get this under control, maybe even have a vaccine available. they could have put all this stuff on hold at least until we could see what the ramifications are going to be. this virus, nor any other strain are going away.
U are absolutely correct. Complete over reaction. Even if the arenas are not open they could play at neutral campus arenas. Finals at the carrier dome, regionals at thompson-boling,etc etc players only if need be. Complete over reaction by academics. Push it out 3-4 weeks n if the world truly is ending u can cancel it then n make plans for sites etc in the meantime. Still believe they could have been players only. They travel on private planes and the issue is not the 100 players n staff in a gym its the other 18,000 that make it a health risk. Coming from a guy who spoke with 3 emergency room physicians yesterday and a Roche medical researcher. Just sayin
I believe any student athlete affected by the current situation can have an additional year. This would not affect incoming recruits as teams can have both with increased roster limits for the year. Some would choose not to come back and some would.
I would imagine even if this were an option, Markus would move on to making money.
I'd take Jayce and Sacar back for sure. Not sure if they'd be interested.
But this isn't happening.
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1238509859856924672?s=21
Happening for spring sports. Possibly for winter...
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 13, 2020, 12:06:04 PM
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1238509859856924672?s=21
Happening for spring sports. Possibly for winter...
There are seniors whose careers were over before everything was cancelled. Why should they get an extra year?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 13, 2020, 12:18:32 PM
There are seniors whose careers were over before everything was cancelled. Why should they get an extra year?
They shouldn't. And they probably won't.
It sucks...but giving winter athletes another year would be kind of crazy.
Makes 100% sense for spring sports.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 13, 2020, 12:18:32 PM
There are seniors whose careers were over before everything was cancelled. Why should they get an extra year?
This. It's an unfortunate circumstance, but just not practical.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 13, 2020, 01:13:37 AM
Where can jayce and sacar realistically play and what kinda money ?? Idk i guess some low level euro league for 28k a year
I can't speak to Jayce, but Sacar averaged 13 and 4 for a pretty good team in a top league. He disappointed a bit down the stretch, but he had good numbers, is a good player, and has nice size. He won't go right to the EuroLeague or CBA, but he'll have a lot of options. I could see him in Japan or one of the mid range teams in Spain, France, or Italy. Hell, look at Luke Fischer, much maligned by many, averaged 10 and 5 as a senior and popped right to a top team in Spain.
If the Logistic are workable, I would vote the seniors affected get another year. In many ways we live in a "Throw away Society" and at least not attempting a solution would smack of this to me.
It seems to me this could be debated that this is a modified medical hardship extension for a group rather than an individual. And as always asterisks are available to note differences.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 13, 2020, 12:37:37 PM
Hell, look at Luke Fischer, much maligned by many, averaged 10 and 5 as a senior and popped right to a top team in Spain.
Kind of speaks volumes about his coaching at MU, doesn't it
Perhaps not for the major conference players, but for low- and mid-major hoops players, the opportunity to participate in the NCAA Tournament is the ultimate prize. For some of these players, they only have one shot, most don't come anywhere near the tournament, and so to take that opportunity away - especially from the AQ's that have already won their conference tourneys - this is a dagger through the heart.
It's a bit difficult for MU fans to understand because we expect to be in the tourney every year, but be mindful of the low major player who worked his ass off for 4 years to see his team with the conference tourney, only to have his dreams taken away.
Though it may be on a case-by-case basis, but the NCAA will allow fifth year petitions for winter sports as a result of tourney cancellations. Otherwise, wait for the lawsuits to pour in.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 13, 2020, 01:39:11 PM
Kind of speaks volumes about his coaching at MU, doesn't it
That guys who are role players can go play in top leagues overseas right away? Yeah, I'd say that's a good thing. Not quite Cal who gets 6th men taken in the lottery, but you could do worse.
I'm sure it won't happen, but imagine trying to top that Markus scoring record if he returned.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 13, 2020, 01:44:31 PM
I'm sure it won't happen, but imagine trying to top that Markus scoring record if he returned.
I thought the same ... could he surpass Maravich?
Howard ended with 2,761 points
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4065805/markus-howard
Maravich record in 3,667
He needs 906 points, or 26/game (assuming 35 games).
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on March 13, 2020, 02:00:05 PM
I thought the same ... could he surpass Maravich?
Howard ended with 2,761 points
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4065805/markus-howard
Maravich record in 3,667
He needs 906 points, or 26/game (assuming 35 games).
#donedeal
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 13, 2020, 09:21:12 AM
i didn't vote because it's not a simple "yes/no" issue. why couldn't they entertain resuming everything in may of june? nothing close to the pandemonium we are presently experiencing occurred back in 2009-2010 during the H1N1/swine flu pandemic. waiting a couple of months should get this under control, maybe even have a vaccine available. they could have put all this stuff on hold at least until we could see what the ramifications are going to be. this virus, nor any other strain are going away.
If you expect a vaccine in a few months, then I fully understand why they only let you operate on rockets.
Quote from: Coleman on March 13, 2020, 08:54:39 AM
I voted no, but it is not a reflection of "our" seniors. Of course I'd love another year of Markus, Sacar and Jayce.
I just don't see a realistic, equitable way of making that happen across all of college basketball.
Ditto. Great kids, and I'd love to see more of all three in a MU uniform, but it would create even more chaos than we already have.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 13, 2020, 07:50:42 PM
Ditto. Great kids, and I'd love to see more of all three in a MU uniform, but it would create even more chaos than we already have.
I voted no not because I wouldn't want them back but some player at some point will be need to take the short end of the stick. I think it is less unfair to deny 50% of the remaining last year players one more game, 25% of them two games and so on than to deny other players their turn at minutes the whole year.
I'd definitely vote no here. Many players finished their season and the rest would have only had a few games left. What do you do if a kid wants to transfer? Say Markus wants to go play with his buddy Myles? But it seems like from the few posts I've seen on social media, the players are all accepting of the situation and have realized some closure on their season.
Cant see Markus wanting do do another year
Would love another year of Jayce
Not interested in another year of Sacar, love his character n effort, but not a good enough bball player to win games in the BE
Quote from: Benny B on March 13, 2020, 01:43:01 PM
Perhaps not for the major conference players, but for low- and mid-major hoops players, the opportunity to participate in the NCAA Tournament is the ultimate prize. For some of these players, they only have one shot, most don't come anywhere near the tournament, and so to take that opportunity away - especially from the AQ's that have already won their conference tourneys - this is a dagger through the heart.
It's a bit difficult for MU fans to understand because we expect to be in the tourney every year, but be mindful of the low major player who worked his ass off for 4 years to see his team with the conference tourney, only to have his dreams taken away.
Though it may be on a case-by-case basis, but the NCAA will allow fifth year petitions for winter sports as a result of tourney cancellations. Otherwise, wait for the lawsuits to pour in.
So I can't speak for basketball athletes, but I can speak for wrestlers. My co-worker's son is a senior d1 wrestler. He qualified for the NCAA tournament and was set to wrestle next weekend in Minneapolis before everything was cancelled. He has been told by his coach that there is a good chance he will have another year of eligibility next season. I personally think this is the right thing to do by the NCAA.
The kid busted his ass and made weight all year. He had a career year and his goal in his final season was to make the podium at the tournament (top 8 are all American). He was nationally ranked and received a favorable seed for his weight class. He worked his whole life to get to this point and now he won't be able to get a chance to do make a run at his dream. As he was a jucco, he only had two years of eligibility at the d1 level to begin with. I for one am glad the NCAA is strongly considering granting Senior wrestlers another year.
If they do go forward for wrestlers, I can't see how they don't do it for all winter sports athletes as it will open up lawsuits.
For everyone saying, well they played 95 percent of the games and a whole season, to bad, life sucks....think about this...this kid lived wrestling for his university. He practiced year round and in season twice a day. He cut weight all season, wrestled through a torn ligament in his knee, all while maintaining a gpa that qualified him as an academic all American. He put in all of this work to wrestle in the tournament. This is just one student athlete. Think of all of the other ones that go through all the work to get to the final tournament of the year and then add to it that for the seniors, this is their last chance. For those that have never been there and to be that close, it must be so upsetting to end like this. I hope the NCAA does the right thing here.
Life sucks and it isn't fair. If seniors get another shot then what about the junior poised to be the go to guy next season? Why should he lose out on his moment?
The class of 2020 is done with their collegiate careers. It sucks but it is life.
Quote from: Badgerhater on March 13, 2020, 09:30:51 PM
Life sucks and it isn't fair. If seniors get another shot then what about the junior poised to be the go to guy next season? Why should he lose out on his moment?
The class of 2020 is done with their collegiate careers. It sucks but it is life.
The upcoming junior will still have a chance, at least in regards to wrestling. The best wrestler will see the mat, regardless of the class he is in. It would be no different if an incoming freshman outwrestled that junior and took "his spot". Give seniors another year and if they aren't the best at their weight class, they won't wrestle. It's that simple.
For spring sports they're treating this season as not having happened at all. So a sophomore this year will maintain sophomore eligibility next year.
Quote from: DiaperDandy on March 13, 2020, 09:09:23 PM
If they do go forward for wrestlers, I can't see how they don't do it for all winter sports athletes as it will open up lawsuits.
Well, wrestlers (as well as soccer, lacrosse, volleyball and every other college athlete other than basketball, football, hockey and baseball) are allowed to transfer without having to sit out a year. Have basketball, football, hockey and baseball players sued because such a rule is unfair to them? If so, have any been successful?
Having said that ...
I hear what you are saying.
It seems a little crazy to let people who have completed anywhere from all to 90+% of their senior seasons back for another year, but these are unusual circumstances. From the many articles I have read, it certainly seems the NCAA is seriously considering it.
If we give Howard another year, can we take one away from Koby?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 13, 2020, 01:39:11 PM
Kind of speaks volumes about his coaching at MU, doesn't it
No what is says is there a are tons of pro leagues out there and means if u are good enuff to play D1 u are good enuff to play pro ball some where over seas. Trend Blackledge and Burke for examples have had long overseas careers.
Quote from: DiaperDandy on March 13, 2020, 09:42:04 PM
The upcoming junior will still have a chance, at least in regards to wrestling. The best wrestler will see the mat, regardless of the class he is in. It would be no different if an incoming freshman outwrestled that junior and took "his spot". Give seniors another year and if they aren't the best at their weight class, they won't wrestle. It's that simple.
But they don't deserve another year IMO.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 14, 2020, 06:17:04 AM
No what is says is there a are tons of pro leagues out there and means if u are good enuff to play D1 u are good enuff to play pro ball some where over seas. Trend Blackledge and Burke for examples have had long overseas careers.
Lost and ignored in this response was he went to top professional league in Spain immediately out of MU, which my comment centered on.
No question if you're playing D1, especially at MU's level, there's a pro league somewhere on the planet that will take you. But the former players examples you cite were not ever going to play in a top Euro league, especially straight out of MU. Apples and oranges.
Quote from: pettyworld on March 13, 2020, 01:43:57 PM
That guys who are role players can go play in top leagues overseas right away? Yeah, I'd say that's a good thing. Not quite Cal who gets 6th men taken in the lottery, but you could do worse.
Luke's production and I'm sure usage decreased from his junior to senior seasons. His senior year pretty much mirrored his sophomore year stat wise. Yet, top league in Spain wanted him straight out of MU. So yeah, coaching development failure! His stats might have indicated role player, talent level didn't however. Wojo used him poorly his senior season and wasted a high level big, ask Liga ACB.
For that matter, ask top German league he plays in currently. Top pro leagues of Germany and Spain since MU. Hardly obscure countries. Yay Wojo. Go ahead and underachieve with the next group of freshmen now.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 14, 2020, 07:55:42 AM
Luke's production and I'm sure usage decreased from his junior to senior seasons. His senior year pretty much mirrored his sophomore year stat wise. Yet, top league in Spain wanted him straight out of MU. So yeah, coaching development failure! His stats might have indicated role player, talent level didn't however. Wojo used him poorly his senior season and wasted a high level big, ask Liga ACB.
I have no idea what you are trying to prove here. "Wojo held Luke back so much that immediately out of college he was signing to play in one of the top professional leagues in Europe!"
Huh? If Wojo was holding him back wouldn't the proof be him signing in some small obscure professional league in the middle of nowhere (or the G League) and then 2 years later he develops into a higher league (or NBA) player?
Doesn't seem like much thought was put into this one by you...
Quote from: DiaperDandy on March 13, 2020, 09:42:04 PM
The upcoming junior will still have a chance, at least in regards to wrestling. The best wrestler will see the mat, regardless of the class he is in. It would be no different if an incoming freshman outwrestled that junior and took "his spot". Give seniors another year and if they aren't the best at their weight class, they won't wrestle. It's that simple.
Four people here care about wrestling. Body development and competition experience are huge factors within the range of the average collegiate athlete.
I have a friend that cam up with a brilliant idea.
Once everything calms down, hold a senior-only tournament where each conference fields a team. There are 32 conferences so the brackets are easy.
The Big East could put together a pretty good lineup.
And you could pay them if you wanted.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 14, 2020, 03:58:41 PM
I have a friend that cam up with a brilliant idea.
Once everything calms down, hold a senior-only tournament where each conference fields a team. There are 32 conferences so the brackets are easy.
The Big East could put together a pretty good lineup.
And you could pay them if you wanted.
I love it!
Quote from: Badgerhater on March 14, 2020, 01:07:35 PM
Body development and competition experience are huge factors within the range of the average collegiate athlete.
This argument makes sense from a 12 to 13 year old. It continues to make sense but to a lesser extent each year up till about 20. Then its dimishing returns
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 14, 2020, 07:55:42 AM
Luke's production and I'm sure usage decreased from his junior to senior seasons. His senior year pretty much mirrored his sophomore year stat wise. Yet, top league in Spain wanted him straight out of MU. So yeah, coaching development failure! His stats might have indicated role player, talent level didn't however. Wojo used him poorly his senior season and wasted a high level big, ask Liga ACB.
To be fair, didn't Luke have problems with his shoulder each of the off-seasons he was at MU. Might that have hampered his ability to develop?