*NCAA BASKETBALL TOURNAMENT TO BE PLAYED WITHOUT FANS
Is the first step to canceling? Or, is this "the fix?"
Kinda sucks.. wonder if it will make the games significantly less entertaining to watch or not. I dont mean ours
Of course this stinks! Crowd will not be getting behind the double digit seed. No bands or cheerleaders, I would think. Everything we love, GONE!
The crowd rooting for the underdog often aids the upsets. Might be kind of "clinical" in the 16-1 to 11-6 matchup. Everyone roots for the upsets!
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 11, 2020, 03:41:56 PM
Of course this stinks! Crowd will not be getting behind the double digit seed. No bands or cheerleaders, I would think. Everything we love, GONE!
Not everything. I'm just grateful the games will go on (as of now).
Conversely, this could be the highest rated tournament ever.
Quote from: MUDish on March 11, 2020, 03:49:20 PM
Conversely, this could be the highest rated tournament ever.
Yah...will it even be televised at this point?
I will be working remotely next Thurs. and Fri.
Great news considering our record in closed door scrimmages. #MUNatty
One shining moment is going to be awkward.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 11, 2020, 03:54:18 PM
Great news considering our record in closed door scrimmages. #MUNatty
This!!!!!
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 11, 2020, 03:54:18 PM
Great news considering our record in closed door scrimmages. #MUNatty
lol
Makes me wonder if they will try to switch smaller venues. Capacity no longer matters. Venue shouldn't care, they aren't going to be bringing in revenue anyway at this point.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 11, 2020, 03:54:18 PM
Great news considering our record in closed door scrimmages. #MUNatty
but didn't they cancel the CBI already? ;)
Quote from: Coleman on March 11, 2020, 03:56:04 PM
Makes me wonder if they will try to switch smaller venues. Capacity no longer matters. Venue shouldn't care, they aren't going to be bringing in revenue anyway at this point.
They do have contracts with the existing venues.
I'm guessing there is insurance in place for a catastrophic event? Lot of lost revenue at the sites.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 11, 2020, 03:41:56 PM
Of course this stinks! Crowd will not be getting behind the double digit seed. No bands or cheerleaders, I would think. Everything we love, GONE!
Agree! This one will go down in history.
If we win a couple games, it will be tainted and Wojo cannot be given credit, because of the conditions.
If we fall, and no one is around to hear it, does it really make a sound? No! And so Wojo cannot be blamed for a first round exit.
This is shaping up to be great for the Projo v Nojo debate.
"I'm told the NCAA tournament games will still be televised but the policy regarding media attendance is still being worked out. Fluid situation to say the least."
-Per Seth Davis
Quote from: Coleman on March 11, 2020, 03:56:04 PM
Makes me wonder if they will try to switch smaller venues. Capacity no longer matters. Venue shouldn't care, they aren't going to be bringing in revenue anyway at this point.
so, play it in the practice gym?
Playing in front of 100 people will feel like a crowd instead of 20,000 empty seats.
*** This is assuming they are played. Trump addresses the nation from the Oval office tonight at 8 PM ET. Lots suggesting he will announce a nationwide ban on mass gatherings effectively ending March Madness and the NBA season.
We'll find out in a few hours.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on March 11, 2020, 04:01:54 PM
so, play it in the practice gym?
Playing in front of 100 people will feel like a crowd instead of 20,000 empty seats.
*** This is assuming they are played. Trump addresses the nation from the Oval office tonight at 9 PM ET. Lots suggesting he will announce a nationwide ban on mass gatherings affecting March Madness and the NBA season.
We'll find out in a few hours.
I mean, wouldn't it be a better atmosphere for players than playing in empty NBA arenas? That's what I would try to do.
Quote from: Coleman on March 11, 2020, 03:56:04 PM
Makes me wonder if they will try to switch smaller venues. Capacity no longer matters. Venue shouldn't care, they aren't going to be bringing in revenue anyway at this point.
Agree, especially the games being played in football stadiums, like the Final Four in Atlanta. Frankly, a high school gym with a regulation size court would be best. The family there may make a little noise.
Quote from: Coleman on March 11, 2020, 04:03:18 PM
I mean, wouldn't it be a better atmosphere for players than playing in empty NBA arenas? That's what I would try to do.
Keep at least 3 feet or something between people has been suggested, gotta keep a section between people.
March Madness is now March Fanless
Marquette down 3.... markus howard with the ball... 3 seconds left! Howard pulls the 3!! HITS IT!!! THE CROWD GOES Wi...oh never mind dead silence..
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on March 11, 2020, 04:01:54 PM
Trump addresses the nation from the Oval office tonight at 8 PM ET. Lots suggesting he will announce a nationwide ban on mass gatherings effectively ending March Madness and the NBA season.
No it wouldn't.
Know who I feel for?
Pantelis Xidias.
This was his moment to shine. Two or three cameras focused solely on his reactions.
Instead he will be home crying into the pile of hair on the floor.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 11, 2020, 04:10:03 PM
Marquette down 3.... markus howard with the ball... 3 seconds left! Howard pulls the 3!! HITS IT!!! THE CROWD GOES Wi...oh never mind dead silence..
Will the BE refs finally call handchecking?
No more boos for Wojo?
Quote from: MUDish on March 11, 2020, 03:49:20 PM
Conversely, this could be the highest rated tournament ever.
I'll be interested to see that. I think what we'll find is that the energy of the crowd is a big part of the viewing experience. I won't be surprised if viewership goes down. I may be wrong, though.
They should move them into the smallest venue that can handle what is needed for the broadcast.
So in a month or 2 will it be safe to attend an event again? Will this virus just disappear? or do we have to wait until a vaccine comes out to live again?
Quote from: injuryBug on March 11, 2020, 04:27:55 PM
So in a month or 2 will it be safe to attend an event again? Will this virus just disappear? or do we have to wait until a vaccine comes out to live again?
Yah, unfortunately I don't think this thing is going away in a few weeks.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 11, 2020, 04:21:53 PM
I'll be interested to see that. I think what we'll find is that the energy of the crowd is a big part of the viewing experience. I won't be surprised if viewership goes down. I may be wrong, though.
Agree. When it's Marquette on TV, I don't notice the fans. But when I don't have a dog in the race, fan reactions are part of what makes it Madness.
This sucks, but I understand the decision.
Quote from: Phuket MU Fan on March 11, 2020, 04:17:07 PM
No more boos for Wojo?
First Marquette locked the comments for IG and Facebook. Now they manufactured a pandemic to keep the fans out. Absolutely ridiculous.
Quote from: Phuket MU Fan on March 11, 2020, 04:17:07 PM
No more boos for Wojo?
The guys on the bench and their families can still boo. And now everyone will hear.
Quote from: Oldgym on March 11, 2020, 04:42:24 PM
Agree. When it's Marquette on TV, I don't notice the fans. But when I don't have a dog in the race, fan reactions are part of what makes it Madness.
This sucks, but I understand the decision.
As far as tv ratings go, I'm not sure the displaced fans will move the needle much. How many people would that be? Sixteen games each of the first two days (with a lot of overlap of fans attending both games). Maybe a couple hundred thousand extra people viewing on tv? What's that do to ratings? I'm not sure it will outweigh the loss of casual fans that don't watch because the games won't feel nearly as exciting without the crowd. If I were the network, I'd be fighting hard for the bands and cheerleaders to be allowed to attend. Not sure the colleges would allow that, though.
Maybe they can just play Al screaming "holy mackerel" whenever there's a big play.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 11, 2020, 04:52:30 PM
As far as tv ratings go, I'm not sure the displaced fans will move the needle much. How many people would that be? Sixteen games each of the first two days (with a lot of overlap of fans attending both games). Maybe a couple hundred thousand extra people viewing on tv? What's that do to ratings? I'm not sure it will outweigh the loss of casual fans that don't watch because the games won't feel nearly as exciting without the crowd. If I were the network, I'd be fighting hard for the bands and cheerleaders to be allowed to attend. Not sure the colleges would allow that, though.
more fans will be staying home and watching instead of going to bars as well.
Back in 1988 when the precursor to the MAAC played their conference tourney in front of no fans due to a measles outbreak on member campuses bands were allowed. Cool article on The Athletic about that tourney.
Quote from: Anti-Dentite on March 11, 2020, 03:58:55 PM
I'm guessing there is insurance in place for a catastrophic event? Lot of lost revenue at the sites.
They do have insurance. I am guessing that insurance companies will fight over this, though.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 11, 2020, 04:21:53 PM
I'll be interested to see that. I think what we'll find is that the energy of the crowd is a big part of the viewing experience. I won't be surprised if viewership goes down. I may be wrong, though.
They should move them into the smallest venue that can handle what is needed for the broadcast.
This might trend bad on TV for the casual viewer. No fans and band/cheerleaders.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 11, 2020, 03:39:21 PM
Kinda sucks.. wonder if it will make the games significantly less entertaining to watch or not. I dont mean ours
It will definitely make it less interesting.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 11, 2020, 04:21:53 PM
I'll be interested to see that. I think what we'll find is that the energy of the crowd is a big part of the viewing experience. I won't be surprised if viewership goes down. I may be wrong, though.
They should move them into the smallest venue that can handle what is needed for the broadcast.
Rothstein says that's being discussed:
Sources: The NCAA is believed to be having discussions regarding shifting to smaller venues for both the Final Four and the Elite Eight.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1237865821017239555
Quote from: Coleman on March 11, 2020, 03:56:04 PM
Makes me wonder if they will try to switch smaller venues. Capacity no longer matters. Venue shouldn't care, they aren't going to be bringing in revenue anyway at this point.
High school gyms here we come!
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 11, 2020, 05:45:15 PM
High school gyms here we come!
Elite Eight at the Al!
The Bay Area is restricting gatherings with crowds over more than 1000. Which is why the Warriors have announced the games with no crowds.
On a side note, the UWM games would not be affected by the gatherings over 1000.
For those of you with clearly no understanding...
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation?fbclid=IwAR3HsmoT8yNGFFijfSS9B70GRpfKp8L7iB9FX9P3G1Sz0IQmIR7zX_IMesw
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on March 11, 2020, 05:55:19 PM
On a side note, the UWM games would not be affected by the gatherings over 1000.
Would feel right at home. :)
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 11, 2020, 06:09:14 PM
For those of you with clearly no understanding...
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation?fbclid=IwAR3HsmoT8yNGFFijfSS9B70GRpfKp8L7iB9FX9P3G1Sz0IQmIR7zX_IMesw
Good post 🙂
At least there will be fewer witnesses in person to the pounding wojo will take in the first round again!
#nowitnesses
#wojohasnomojo
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 11, 2020, 06:09:14 PM
For those of you with clearly no understanding...
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation?fbclid=IwAR3HsmoT8yNGFFijfSS9B70GRpfKp8L7iB9FX9P3G1Sz0IQmIR7zX_IMesw
With all due respect(for real) you Johnny and 10 of thousands of other people that are quivering in their boots and terrified of this thing, you do what you have to do to make yourself feel safe. I for one, will NOT absolutely will NOT be scared of a virus...I'm going to live my life as I normally would.
To be honest people are acting like what's going to happen to us all is like what happened in the Walking dead TV show. Cities completely barron, most everyone dead, and come back to life as a walker.
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2020, 07:06:51 PM
With all due respect(for real) you Johnny and 10 of thousands of other people that are quivering in their boots and terrified of this thing, you do what you have to do to make yourself feel safe. I for one, will NOT absolutely will NOT be scared of a virus...I'm going to live my life as I normally would.
To be honest people are acting like what's going to happen to us all is like what happened in the Walking dead TV show. Cities completely barron, most everyone dead, and come back to life as a walker.
Dude im not personally terrified. Im 23. There is diffrence between terrified and advocating to take rational steps to prevent possible outbreak. Thanks
I feel bad for the top 16 seeds on the Women's side - not much of an advantage of hosting if you don't have fans in attendance. DePaul is thought to be in line to host and I saw some speculation they might try to move their games from Wintrust Arena to the on-campus McGrath-Phillips Arena now. I guess I won't be going to the Annex on Monday for a Selection Party for the MU Women either - guessing they won't be hosting one this year - had been kind of looking forward to that but oh well...
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2020, 07:06:51 PM
With all due respect(for real) you Johnny and 10 of thousands of other people that are quivering in their boots and terrified of this thing, you do what you have to do to make yourself feel safe. I for one, will NOT absolutely will NOT be scared of a virus...I'm going to live my life as I normally would.
To be honest people are acting like what's going to happen to us all is like what happened in the Walking dead TV show. Cities completely barron, most everyone dead, and come back to life as a walker.
It's not about me feeling safe, dummy. It's about having adequate healthcare resources/supplies/staff/doctors/hospital beds for those who really need them.
If 10% of our population need hospitalization due to this virus, do you think it's smarter to get them all sick at once? Or spread it out over time?
Seriously. Do the calculations. Then show your work.
I dont get why they cant have fans at the tournament. Why not just have a requirement that people must have hazmat suits on?? Could get some licensing deal to get team logos on the suits or somthing.
Place a person sized monitor and loudspeaker at each seat and each ticketholder can facetime into the game.
How else will the crowd boo wojo on his introduction!???
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 11, 2020, 07:36:26 PM
It's not about me feeling safe, dummy. It's about having adequate healthcare resources/supplies/staff/doctors/hospital beds for those who really need them.
If 10% of our population need hospitalization due to this virus, do you think it's smarter to get them all sick at once? Or spread it out over time?
Seriously. Do the calculations. Then show your work.
Why would 10% of our population need hospitalization? Right now Italy is the biggest global concern, and they have about 0.02% (yes, percent) of their population infected. And of the very small amount infected, what percentage of them require hospitalization? 5%? 10%?
In the US, we have about 1,200 confirmed cases now, right? So we would need to see a 25,000 times increase in cases to hit your 10% estimate, and that's assuming all confirmed cases require hospitalization. We'd probably need to see something like 70% or more of our population infected to have 10% require hospitalization.
It's obviously a very real global issue, and there do need to be steps taken to get it under control. But just throwing out alarming numbers that are nowhere near what has been experienced so far seems unnecessary.
Quote from: barfolomew on March 11, 2020, 04:15:29 PM
Know who I feel for?
Pantelis Xidias.
This was his moment to shine. Two or three cameras focused solely on his reactions.
Instead he will be home crying into the pile of hair on the floor.
He can probably cut it after tonight. No reason to wait until Sunday.
Kisscam could get awkward.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 11, 2020, 08:00:27 PM
Why would 10% of our population need hospitalization? Right now Italy is the biggest global concern, and they have about 0.02% (yes, percent) of their population infected. And of the very small amount infected, what percentage of them require hospitalization? 5%? 10%?
In the US, we have about 1,200 confirmed cases now, right? So we would need to see a 25,000 times increase in cases to hit your 10% estimate, and that's assuming all confirmed cases require hospitalization. We'd probably need to see something like 70% or more of our population infected to have 10% require hospitalization.
It's obviously a very real global issue, and there do need to be steps taken to get it under control. But just throwing out alarming numbers that are nowhere near what has been experienced so far seems unnecessary.
You can be mad at my post.. (and my math may be way off) but you could also read from an expert who has done more detailed analysis.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/10/simple-math-alarming-answers-covid-19/
Lots of takes didn't age very well in here.
play outdoors
problem solved
Quote from: Eldon on March 11, 2020, 09:07:41 PM
play outdoors
problem solved
Any navy ships available?
Quote from: Johnny B on March 11, 2020, 09:08:57 PM
Any navy ships available?
That's actually a great idea.
Quote from: Eldon on March 11, 2020, 09:24:13 PM
That's actually a great idea.
Maybe not a certain carrier in South Carolina though.
What this really means to me is that Wojo will have an excuse for why the Al is empty during his NIT game.
Quote from: pbiflyer on March 11, 2020, 09:38:28 PM
Maybe not a certain carrier in South Carolina though.
I hear a certain towel boy is available.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 11, 2020, 08:49:38 PM
You can be mad at my post.. (and my math may be way off) but you could also read from an expert who has done more detailed analysis.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/10/simple-math-alarming-answers-covid-19/
Why would you think I'm mad? Weird...
Anyway, on to the op-ed. I get the whole hospital bed resource concern. It makes total sense. What I struggle with is that the whole article is built off the assumption that somehow the US will see cases grow at unprecedented sustained rates for this virus.
This whole thing started back in early January in China. And by about mid Feb China had about 80,000 confirmed cases. So 80,000 cases in about 40 days. The US is currently around 1,200 confirmed cases. (although I do agree that's likely a low number due to the limited testing) The author assumes that US cases will grow exponentially to reach 1 million in roughly the same time span as China has experienced from the start of the outbreak to the peak.
Another way to think about it is that this has been around for about 2.5 months, and we only have 120,000 cases globally. So why would it be logical to see the US caseload grow to 1 million in a month and a half if we've only seen 10% of that number of cases in the whole world in the last 2 months or so?
That's where the basic math falls apart for me.
I also question whether the author of that article should be considered an expert. She works at a company that makes plant-based food. I'm sure she has a very solid grasp of biology and understands some of the basics involved with epidemiology, but I don't know think he background is quite right to be called an expert here.