DePaul shot 30% from the field,18% from 3 was out rebounded by 7 and won the game.Time to call John Beilein
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on March 03, 2020, 09:34:02 PM
DePaul shot 30% from the field,18% from 3 was out rebounded by 7 and won the game.Time to call John Beilein
They also shot 31-35 in fts.
That would be a great hire and might save the recruiting class.
It's time, they are not even enjoyable to watch. Brutal. Two collapses two years in a row.
That line makes it look so much worse. Wow. Just pitiful. Really hoping by some miracle they get snubbed selection sunday. First time ever saying that in a season!
We need to RTFM. Garcia or not wojo has no mojo and has got to go joe
Really not confident that Wojo can do anything with the next class anyway.
Quote from: BallBoy on March 03, 2020, 09:34:41 PM
They also shot 31-35 in fts.
Shout out to Darius Hall, a worse FT shooter than Theo, who went 9-10. Perfect
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 03, 2020, 09:36:59 PM
Really not confident that Wojo can do anything with the next class anyway.
Unfortunately, that's where I'm at.
Assuming they don't get to the second weekend, and he's retained, it's gonna be a toxic-ass environment around the program next year. The fans are rapidly losing trust and he knows it.
A split would be best for both parties.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 03, 2020, 09:36:59 PM
Really not confident that Wojo can do anything with the next class anyway.
Oh come on. We need to let them come in, do a redshirt freshman year, develop for two years after that, then NCAA appearance when they are RS juniors, then (assuming we get a big time grad transfer) I can easily see a Final Four during their RS Senior year. So let's see that would be approximately... 2025?? Just have some patience!
Gosh Nojos have zero basketball knowledge (amirite Projo buddies???!)
You think wojo is on the emergency red phone in his office tonight calling some desperate west coast programs before he pulls the chute?
I am done with this team an am now fully on board with sh!tcanning Wojo. You cannot lose to the last place team in conference at this point in the year. You just can't. His brand of basketball sucks and I have no hope that it's going to change.
Give him more time. It took Jay Wright years to win a Natty, hey?
Quote from: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on March 03, 2020, 09:40:49 PM
You think wojo is on the emergency red phone in his office tonight calling some desperate west coast programs before he pulls the chute?
I am gonna be soooooo bummed when Wojo takes Wake Forest to 3 consecutive Elite Eights.
He should be calling coach K and asking for his old job back
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 03, 2020, 09:38:44 PM
Assuming they don't get to the second weekend, and he's retained, it's gonna be a toxic-ass environment around the program next year. The fans are rapidly losing trust and he knows it.
A split would be best for both parties.
I'm a diehard fan who is very invested in this team and has been through the ups and the downs. I've never been a staunch NoJo and defend this team a lot.
That being said, I'm gonna be in NY next week during the BET and planned to see them play. I told my GF to not bother looking at tickets. That's the Wojo effect right there and I'm confident I'm far from alone
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 03, 2020, 09:41:15 PM
I am done with this team an am now fully on board with sh!tcanning Wojo. You cannot lose to the last place team in conference at this point in the year. You just can't. His brand of basketball sucks and I have no hope that it's going to change.
One can lose to a basement dweller, but not when their best player, a possible first round draft choice who averages a double-double and three blocks a game, does not play.
He's playing for a lower seed so that the run to a Championship is all the more magical
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 03, 2020, 09:41:15 PM
I am done with this team an am now fully on board with sh!tcanning Wojo. You cannot lose to the last place team in conference at this point in the year. You just can't. His brand of basketball sucks and I have no hope that it's going to change.
Sad but true.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 03, 2020, 09:42:19 PM
Give him more time. It took Jay Wright years to win a Natty, hey?
The excuse thread is the next thread over der hey.
I think I'm finally on board. Get rid of him.
Let's hope some low P5 team takes Wojo off our hands this season. Unfortunately he probably needs to win a game or two for that to happen, which will not happen.
Wojo's gone - 100%. The BOT's won't have to do a thing (what a relief for them). Wojo knows he has failed, and will leave town on the first thing smoking. Most of us wanted Wojo to succeed, but he just doesn't have what it takes.
Unfortunately, the next 2 recruiting classes will never materialize, and we are back at square one. Sad day.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 03, 2020, 09:42:59 PM
I'm a diehard fan who is very invested in this team and has been through the ups and the downs. I've never been a staunch NoJo and defend this team a lot.
That being said, I'm gonna be in NY next week during the BET and planned to see them play. I told my GF to not bother looking at tickets. That's the Wojo effect right there and I'm confident I'm far from alone
We get in thursday morning
Prolly wont even get to see them play
Quote from: 94Warrior on March 03, 2020, 09:47:27 PM
Wojo's gone - 100%. The BOT's won't have to do a thing (what a relief for them). Wojo knows he has failed, and will leave town on the first thing smoking. Most of us wanted Wojo to succeed, but he just doesn't have what it takes.
Sad.
Would be nice if Lovell had some balls and would make the call for him. Even if Wojo leaves which I'm sure he will, what has BOT done that has given fans any hope?
Unfortunately, the next 2 recruiting classes will never materialize, and we are back at square one. Sad day.
Quote from: nyg on March 03, 2020, 09:43:33 PM
One can lose to a basement dweller, but not when their best player, a possible first round draft choice who averages a double-double and three blocks a game, does not play.
Yeah, that makes it even worse
Yep just done. Get rid of this vapid boring coach.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 03, 2020, 09:42:42 PM
I am gonna be soooooo bummed when Wojo takes Wake Forest to 3 consecutive Elite Eights.
Ha! So sad that you don't even have to use teal because the sarcasm so obvious now with jabs like this. Uhg!
Quote from: JWags85 on March 03, 2020, 09:42:59 PM
I'm a diehard fan who is very invested in this team and has been through the ups and the downs. I've never been a staunch NoJo and defend this team a lot.
That being said, I'm gonna be in NY next week during the BET and planned to see them play. I told my GF to not bother looking at tickets. That's the Wojo effect right there and I'm confident I'm far from alone
I had a work meeting lined up for Thursday morning in Newark next week (company canceled the trip due to Coronavirus) and had thought about going to the Garden for MU's Thursday game.
First time in forever, completely indifferent that I'm missing the tournament. Actually, I'm kinda glad my company took the decision out of my hands. I never imagined being this indifferent, but that's where I'm at now.
Quote from: 94Warrior on March 03, 2020, 09:47:27 PM
Wojo's gone - 100%. The BOT's won't have to do a thing (what a relief for them). Wojo knows he has failed, and will leave town on the first thing smoking. Most of us wanted Wojo to succeed, but he just doesn't have what it takes.
Unfortunately, the next 2 recruiting classes will never materialize, and we are back at square one. Sad day.
That eloquently summarizes the state of affairs. Sigh.
The worst of it all is once again the badgers pull wins out of their ass with literally nothing talent wise. Got to hand it to the rodents they literally seem to turn goat piss into gasoline every year!
John Beilein.
Tanned. Rested. Ready.
I'm waiting for TAMU to come by and say his standard "you don't fire a coach coming off an NCAA appearance".
Yea. But the trajectory is good. Maybe Cheeks can draw us some graphs to illustrate?
Two time All American and all-time leading scorer in program history...and we lose to 2-14 DePaul, missing their best player. Facepalm.
So what desperate P5 teams are out there that would want Wojo?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 03, 2020, 10:02:21 PM
Yea. But the trajectory is good. Maybe Cheeks can draw us some graphs to illustrate?
Two time All American and all-time leading scorer in program history...and we lose to 2-14 DePaul, missing their best player. Facepalm.
If you turn the graph upside down, the trajectory looks great!
Belien is 67 years old. Made how much with the cavs? He is not coming to rebuild Marquette basketball
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 03, 2020, 10:11:02 PM
So what desperate P5 teams are out there that would want Wojo?
I can't think of any but I think he would/will have a hard time landing in the AAC or A10 also. You've got to admit he is a very classy man that runs a clean program with high character young men, so that might count for something. Possibly the Ivy League?
Wish list:Doc Rivers(not happening),Rick Pitino(not happening),John Beilein,Steve Forbes,TJ Otzelberger, Bobby Hurley and Kelvin Sampson.
Part of me wonders though if this really isn't it for Wojo, that he will leave on his own accord. Something tells me for better or for worse he tied his tenure at MU to Markus, and depending on how that turned out, is what would make him decide to stay or not. Well, we know how it's turned out..so I wonder if he doesn't leave because markus will be gone anyway.
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on March 03, 2020, 10:23:18 PM
Wish list:Doc Rivers(not happening),Rick Pitino(not happening),John Beilein,Steve Forbes,TJ Otzelberger, Bobby Hurley and Kelvin Sampson.
Let's pass on Kelvin Sampson.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 03, 2020, 10:13:24 PM
Belien is 67 years old. Made how much with the cavs? He is not coming to rebuild Marquette basketball
Very Catholic guy who's coached at two Jesuit schools already.
Wonder how restless some of the top donors are right now and if they will approach Scholl and Lovell and offer to pay a buy out??
Quote from: muguru on March 03, 2020, 10:26:32 PM
Wonder how restless some of the top donors are right now and if they will approach Scholl and Lovell and offer to pay a buy out??
How do you feel about losing all of our recruits and being utter trash the next couple years? Just hoping we grab someone significantly better that wants to stick around.? It just sucks either way I guess. Not confident with wojo or without him rn
Quote from: Johnny B on March 03, 2020, 10:30:07 PM
How do you feel about losing all of our recruits and being utter trash the next couple years? Just hoping we grab someone significantly better that wants to stick around.? It just sucks either way I guess. Not confident with wojo or without him rn
I was asked this question two years ago and said better sooner than later. I'd prefer not to watch 7th place Big East for two more years and answer the question again. Cut bait.
Quote from: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on March 03, 2020, 09:54:03 PM
The worst of it all is once again the badgers pull wins out of their ass with literally nothing talent wise. Got to hand it to the rodents they literally seem to turn goat piss into gasoline every year!
It's called good coaching
Quote from: Johnny B on March 03, 2020, 10:30:07 PM
How do you feel about losing all of our recruits and being utter trash the next couple years? Just hoping we grab someone significantly better that wants to stick around.? It just sucks either way I guess. Not confident with wojo or without him rn
I've said this before, but the best thing about Wojo has always been next year. With that never really materializing, at some point you have to cut bait. Hanging on to a coach that you know isn't the right guy long-term just to avoid some short-term pains isn't a sustainable plan.
On the other hand, if MU is happy being a middle of the road BE team most years, then Wojo might end up being what we get. It could be worse, but we all know it could be (and has been) better too.
Quote from: AlienWarrior on March 03, 2020, 10:37:14 PM
It's called good coaching
Exactly. They are two wins away from winning a share of the big 10 championship. Gard with what he has gone through with Howard Moore, Kobe king leaving and potter missing the first 10 games will win coach of the year.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 03, 2020, 10:30:07 PM
How do you feel about losing all of our recruits and being utter trash the next couple years? Just hoping we grab someone significantly better that wants to stick around.? It just sucks either way I guess. Not confident with wojo or without him rn
I think you highlight 99% of the projos reason why they want him to stick around...not because they think he's that great of a Coach, but because they are DEATHLY afraid of losing a recruiting class and starting over. To me, just to save a recruiting class is a terrible reason to keep a Coach if you don't think he's the right guy. And second, I have said this numerous times before, losing the recruiting class is not 100% guaranteed. I really believe if you bring in the right guy, they could stay..at least some of them.
We might as well just embrace where this program is headed ( depaul north) and hire Wardle or another former mu player and at least keep in tbe family.
( anybody know if Diener lives in wisco right now?????)
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 03, 2020, 10:39:49 PM
Exactly. They are two wins away from winning a share of the big 10 championship. Gard with what he has gone through with Howard Moore, Kobe king leaving and potter missing the first 10 games will win coach of the year.
I used to just hate the badgers but it's hard not to respect what they've been able to accomplish not only this season but over the last 20 or so years. Every year it seems they get the team playing the best ball at this time of the year regardless of the players on the roster. I'll obviously be hoping they lose in the tournament but it's truly remarkable.
Quote from: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on March 03, 2020, 10:43:22 PM
We might as well just embrace where this program is headed ( depaul north) and hire Wardle or another former mu player and at least keep in tbe family.
( anybody know if Diener lives in wisco right now?????)
Out of all the dumb-ass things you've said on this board, this is the one to convince me you truly are not a MU fan.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 03, 2020, 10:45:25 PM
I used to just hate the badgers but it's hard not to respect what they've been able to accomplish not only this season but over the last 20 or so years. Every year it seems they get the team playing the best ball at this time of the year regardless of the players on the roster. I'll obviously be hoping they lose in the tournament but it's truly remarkable.
100 percent agree. The coin seems to always flip in their favor come end of reg season. Amazing what GG has done with that roster and the losses he sustained
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 03, 2020, 10:47:40 PM
Out of all the dumb-ass things you've said on this board, this is the one to convince me you truly are not a MU fan.
You really think wardle or diener head coach would be a significant downgrade. I bet a lot of alums would be ok with that hire ( who are we gonna get if wojo leaves!!???) promote another assistant?
A lot of people on these boards thought that the Badgers would be terrible this year with losing Happ because there whole offense ran through him. Maybe that's the same issue with Markus this year. Maybe the one dimensional ball just doesn't work.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 03, 2020, 10:50:24 PM
A lot of people on these boards thought that the Badgers would be terrible this year with losing Happ because there whole offense ran through him. Maybe that's the same issue with Markus this year. Maybe the one dimensional ball just doesn't work.
The badgers ( as boring as they are to watch) actually run set plays and defensive schemes that change based on the flow of the game) with wojo you dont have that discipline
I can't wait to hear the Chico narrative.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 03, 2020, 10:30:07 PM
How do you feel about losing all of our recruits and being utter trash the next couple years? Just hoping we grab someone significantly better that wants to stick around.? It just sucks either way I guess. Not confident with wojo or without him rn
Yes. We would hire another assistant coach who will take 5 years to build a competitive team. We want that?
Quote from: muguru on March 03, 2020, 10:40:49 PM
I think you highlight 99% of the projos reason why they want him to stick around...not because they think he's that great of a Coach, but because they are DEATHLY afraid of losing a recruiting class and starting over. To me, just to save a recruiting class is a terrible reason to keep a Coach if you don't think he's the right guy. And second, I have said this numerous times before, losing the recruiting class is not 100% guaranteed. I really believe if you bring in the right guy, they could stay..at least some of them.
Agreed. The ProJo's love to play 'chicken little' and proclaim the departure of Wojo will kill this program. And don't forget, if MU gives Wojo time, the stability of the program will magically make him a better coach and MU a better program.
MU is bigger than Wojo. MU is a great university with smart people incharge. MU gives its coaches everything they need to be successful and MU has great fans that support the team in numbers only 10-15 schools surpass.
Quote from: Daniel on March 03, 2020, 10:55:55 PM
Yes. We would hire another assistant coach who will take 5 years to build a competitive team. We want that?
EXACTLY! It took at least 5 years to build a competitive team when we hired former assistant coaches like O'Neil, Crean & Buzz.......... oh wait, it took them far less than 5 years. Even Wojo had us competitive in less than 5 years.
Might want to rethink your position.
Should we hope for
1) Wojo craps our the next 2 games (as expected now) and the ncaa rightfully snubs a team with a losing conference record and finishing 1-7'on the season and mu fires him
2) Wojo goes on a run in BE tourney or makes and wins a game in the tourney so he is attractive to a bottom feeder P5 team to hire
Sadly I think it is 2 and it won't happen.
Screw it I'm gonna go down with the ship. I'll be rooting for em in the bet and nccas
Quote from: Johnny B on March 03, 2020, 11:16:30 PM
Screw it I'm gonna go down with the ship. I'll be rooting for em in the bet and nccas
I'll be rooting for them, but it certainly looks like they are done.
Quote from: curbina on March 03, 2020, 10:55:19 PM
I can't wait to hear the Chico narrative.
I can wait.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 03, 2020, 10:50:24 PM
A lot of people on these boards thought that the Badgers would be terrible this year with losing Happ because there whole offense ran through him. Maybe that's the same issue with Markus this year. Maybe the one dimensional ball just doesn't work.
The one dimensional ball will continue next year. Its just the player that will change.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 04, 2020, 08:10:46 AM
The one dimensional ball will continue next year. Its just the player that will change.
Yea, when Markus was out against Xavier, Koby slid into that role. Thankfully he was having success getting to the basket.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 04, 2020, 08:18:18 AM
Yea, when Markus was out against Xavier, Koby slid into that role. Thankfully he was having success getting to the basket.
To some extent, yes. But Markus has the brutal combination of never having been able to see the court well and read a defense early enough to get a step ahead of it as well as being way too small to make a pass out of a solid double team when it comes. Markus head down dribbles and winds up in spots on the court where a guy his size just isn't going to get out of it, and the best case scenario is a pass batted out of bounds by a defender.
The ball movement was much better when Rowsey was here and the one initiating the offense. His court vision was infinitely better than Markus's is, and thus Rowsey could see plays developing far earlier than Markus does. Rowsey manipulated defenses. Markus gets manipulated by defenses.
If Dawson is given the "ultimate green light" next year, at least he will have the size to make a pass out of a committed double team and there will still be hope that the offensive possession ends well.
I'll always root for MU in every game -- But losing the next 3 games would be best for our long term future. #Arbys
MU has zero chance in the BET .. 100% of the top half teams would beat MU, so that leaves winning a game against a bottom-dweller as the only possible bright spot. Yay.
As for the NCAAs, who knows. Get the right draw, maybe win a game. The real brain-buster is if MU got to the S16. Then we've got a coach we need to remove who just got us to the end-goal.
So much Arbys.
Can somebody please explain the Arby's reference, i never noticed the origin on this forum and it has achieved legendary status.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 04, 2020, 08:23:06 AM
I'll always root for MU in every game -- But losing the next 3 games would be best for our long term future. #Arbys
MU has zero chance in the BET .. 100% of the top half teams would beat MU, so that leaves winning a game against a bottom-dweller as the only possible bright spot. Yay.
As for the NCAAs, who knows. Get the right draw, maybe win a game. The real brain-buster is if MU got to the S16. Then we've got a coach we need to remove who just got us to the end-goal.
So much Arbys.
Kind of reminds me of when Cuonzo went on that run at Tennessee while they wanted to fire him and he almost came to MU. Looks like they were right.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 04, 2020, 08:10:46 AM
The one dimensional ball will continue next year. Its just the player that will change.
Either
1) Hank 2.0
or, if Mane comes
2) Hausergate 2.0, as top players quarrel over who was promised the mayorship of Emerald City.
Quote from: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on March 04, 2020, 08:47:31 AM
Can somebody please explain the Arby's reference, i never noticed the origin on this forum and it has achieved legendary status.
The Arby's Nihilist account can be found on twitter.
You'll be dead eventually. Eat Arby's.
Quote from: manesworld on March 04, 2020, 08:22:56 AM
To some extent, yes. But Markus has the brutal combination of never having been able to see the court well and read a defense early enough to get a step ahead of it as well as being way too small to make a pass out of a solid double team when it comes. Markus head down dribbles and winds up in spots on the court where a guy his size just isn't going to get out of it, and the best case scenario is a pass batted out of bounds by a defender.
The ball movement was much better when Rowsey was here and the one initiating the offense. His court vision was infinitely better than Markus's is, and thus Rowsey could see plays developing far earlier than Markus does. Rowsey manipulated defenses. Markus gets manipulated by defenses.
If Dawson is given the "ultimate green light" next year, at least he will have the size to make a pass out of a committed double team and there will still be hope that the offensive possession ends well.
Let's gaslight the best pure scorer in MU history instead of holding the coach accountable for not translating that into team success. Unbelievable argument shift, Manes. Kudos.
Quote from: manesworld on March 04, 2020, 08:22:56 AM
To some extent, yes. But Markus has the brutal combination of never having been able to see the court well and read a defense early enough to get a step ahead of it as well as being way too small to make a pass out of a solid double team when it comes. Markus head down dribbles and winds up in spots on the court where a guy his size just isn't going to get out of it, and the best case scenario is a pass batted out of bounds by a defender.
The ball movement was much better when Rowsey was here and the one initiating the offense. His court vision was infinitely better than Markus's is, and thus Rowsey could see plays developing far earlier than Markus does. Rowsey manipulated defenses. Markus gets manipulated by defenses.
If Dawson is given the "ultimate green light" next year, at least he will have the size to make a pass out of a committed double team and there will still be hope that the offensive possession ends well.
This sums up the past 4 seasons perfectly.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 04, 2020, 08:58:49 AM
Let's gaslight the best pure scorer in MU history instead of holding the coach accountable for not translating that into team success. Unbelievable argument shift, Manes. Kudos.
I mean he's not wrong from a basketball standpoint. But it's the coaches fault for letting him continue to do it
Markus is a great player obviously and can score whenever he wants, but when he broke his nose or is in foul trouble and out of the game for a significant amount of time, it looks like we play just as good if not better without. Not saying we don't need markus its just my opinion
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 04, 2020, 09:10:40 AM
Markus is a great player obviously and can score whenever he wants, but when he broke his nose or is in foul trouble and out of the game for a significant amount of time, it looks like we play just as good if not better without. Not saying we don't need markus its just my opinion
Markus has some Brett Favre in him. He can lead you to a win in spectacular fashion.......or be the reason the wheels come off. Next year the team will be forced to win in team fashion.
Quote from: keefe on March 03, 2020, 09:43:50 PM
He's playing for a lower seed so that the run to a Championship is all the more magical
I applaud this sarcasm. Well done.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 04, 2020, 09:10:40 AM
Markus is a great player obviously and can score whenever he wants, but when he broke his nose or is in foul trouble and out of the game for a significant amount of time, it looks like we play just as good if not better without. Not saying we don't need markus its just my opinion
There is some serious Ewing Theory potential with this team. Markus is great, but could the team be better without him?
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 04, 2020, 10:32:11 AM
There is some serious Ewing Theory potential with this team. Markus is great, but could the team be better without him?
I don't know. Unless Koby's thumb is really holding him back, I worry we don't have anyone to really create a shot. Although, if we get some ball movement, maybe that frees up some shots.
Quote from: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on March 03, 2020, 10:50:11 PM
You really think wardle or diener head coach would be a significant downgrade. I bet a lot of alums would be ok with that hire ( who are we gonna get if wojo leaves!!???) promote another assistant?
Most mediocre post in Scoop history.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 04, 2020, 08:58:49 AM
Let's gaslight the best pure scorer in MU history instead of holding the coach accountable for not translating that into team success. Unbelievable argument shift, Manes. Kudos.
Not really gaslighting anyone. Right now the offense doesn't revolve around ball or player movement, it revolves around getting, as you say, the best pure scorer in MU history the ball. The problem is that great scorer doesn't read the game very well, and in Big East play over the course of his career teams have hounded him with multiple players running at him. He's too small to make plays out of that situation.
There will be some hero ball next year, but if it's Garcia he'll have the physical size to get out of some situations that Markus can't.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 03, 2020, 11:11:59 PM
Should we hope for
1) Wojo craps our the next 2 games (as expected now) and the ncaa rightfully snubs a team with a losing conference record and finishing 1-7'on the season and mu fires him
2) Wojo goes on a run in BE tourney or makes and wins a game in the tourney so he is attractive to a bottom feeder P5 team to hire
Sadly I think it is 2 and it won't happen.
If these are my two options of hoping for something #2 is 100% what I'd hope for