Is 4 assists a record low?
Does Markus ever have an assist?
This is embarrassing.
I could accept 20% shooting more easily than 4 assists.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 22, 2020, 01:39:24 PM
Does Markus ever have an assist?
3 a game, up from 2 as a freshman, while his shooting percentage has dropped every year. But, he did get rid of the Hausers, so....
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 22, 2020, 01:39:24 PM
Does Markus ever have an assist?
He's averaging 3+ a game, on a team where his usage is insane and the whole team defers to him. This "selfish gunner" crap needs to stop. This team doesn't know how to score without him rolling
Markus is not the problem.It is the other starting guard that is the problem.Get a true point guard and a lot of problems go away.Markus is not supposed to be the point guard.McEwen bad play destroys the whole offense.It is so obvious
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on February 22, 2020, 01:50:20 PM
Markus is not the problem.It is the other starting guard that is the problem.Get a true point guard and a lot of problems go away.Markus is not supposed to be the point guard.McEwen bad play destroys the whole offense.It is so obvious
Totally agree ball sticks in Mcewens hands, over dribbles or hesitates every time. Horrible handle and a even worse facilitator. Top 10 team with even an average point guard, we r better when he is not on the floor
Absolutely Sand Knit.It is so obvious.Can't believe these people that are blaming Markus.He has never really had a true point next to him.
Quote from: JWags85 on February 22, 2020, 01:46:14 PM
This team doesn't know how to score without him rolling
Leave off the rolling and you have spoken the truth.
Whether he's on or off, he gets precious little help.
Three of the assists were Howard to Howard.
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on February 22, 2020, 01:50:20 PM
Markus is not the problem.It is the other starting guard that is the problem.Get a true point guard and a lot of problems go away.Markus is not supposed to be the point guard.McEwen bad play destroys the whole offense.It is so obvious
I agree with this, but how do you correct it now. Without McEwen we lose Defense, Rebounding and maybe some scoring. Symir
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 22, 2020, 01:52:53 PM
Totally agree ball sticks in Mcewens hands, over dribbles or hesitates every time. Horrible handle and a even worse facilitator. Top 10 team with even an average point guard, we r better when he is not on the floor
all of this-when a player thinks he is better than he really is, not much chance for improvement. kinda like, he doesn't know what he doesn't know
Hard to get assist when most of our passes are hand offs 30 ft away from the basket
Quote from: Loose Cannon on February 22, 2020, 03:13:29 PM
I agree with this, but how do you correct it now. Without McEwen we lose Defense, Rebounding and maybe some scoring. Symir is young and weaker on Defense, Rebounding, but OK off the bench.
I'm mulling over using Sacar at the point (He's not a point, but I think better than what we have seen) and moving McEwen to the 3 with Cain and Greg. 3rd base for me.
Id take Chartouney over Mcewen
What did KO do when he was the Head Coach.In his first recruiting class was McIlvaine,Key,Brakes and Logterman.His second class he got the pg to run the show in Tony Miller.His most important recruit in his era with Hutchins being the second most important.You need a good point guard.Look at Creighton.Arguably the best backcourt in the league along with Ballard as a shooter.There bigs are marginal.
The way I look at it, at least 4 or 5 times for each team I find myself saying or thinking "Nice pass!" I do not think that much when we play. I've said on and off in many threads over the years that I think ball movement is the way to go. After watching Creighton, that is a fun way to play, an enjoyable game to watch and a good way to win.
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on February 22, 2020, 03:47:50 PM
What did KO do when he was the Head Coach.In his first recruiting class was McIlvaine,Key,Brakes and Logterman.His second class he got the pg to run the show in Tony Miller.His most important recruit in his era with Hutchins being the second most important.You need a good point guard.Look at Creighton.Arguably the best backcourt in the league along with Ballard as a shooter.There bigs are marginal.
Tony was an absolute stud, even though he could not shoot a lick.
Quote from: JWags85 on February 22, 2020, 01:46:14 PM
He's averaging 3+ a game, on a team where his usage is insane and the whole team defers to him. This "selfish gunner" crap needs to stop. This team doesn't know how to score without him rolling
Howard is a selfish gunner. Full Stop.
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on February 22, 2020, 01:55:14 PM
Absolutely Sand Knit.It is so obvious.Can't believe these people that are blaming Markus.He has never really had a true point next to him.
And that is where I block you. Dude played 2 years with Rowsey, a very capable point.
Lol.If you don't know the difference between a true point guard and Rowsey I can't help you.You lose all credibility
20 made FG
18 turnovers
4 assists.
One guy accounting for over half the team points.
Wow. It's both painful and shockingly bad to watch.
McEwen is a much better ball-handler than Markus, he also creates more for his teammates and has better court awareness.
As for those forgetting, Rowsey was a tremendous ball-handler. While he also was a shoot-first guard, he was much better at ball-handling and creating for teammates.
Two years ago (injured thumb year) I was saying I hoped Elliott would run the point. I hoped Chartouny would be the answer. The irony is that I'd love a Wojo—good ball-handler, good awareness, strong defensively, unselfish. Why hasn't Wojo been able to find or develop one?
Quote from: #UnleashJayce on February 22, 2020, 09:03:11 PM
And that is where I block you. Dude played 2 years with Rowsey, a very capable point.
On one end. One of the worst players in the country on the other. Rowsey was a capable ball handler and passer.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 22, 2020, 03:31:35 PM
Id take Chartouney over Mcewen
Is Symir the answer? Is it worth starting him at point guard going forward and decreasing McEwen's playing time? I know his defense is subpar right now but would playing him at point exponentially help us offensively? If the answer is yes, we need to make the change now. I really do t know the answer to this question. Curious what you and aircraft carrier think.
Shooter
I would have been playing Symir as many minutes as possible. At this point Koby is likely the better player and that is why he is getting the playing time. I would have given Symir significant playing time if I were Wojo.
Quote from: Goose on February 23, 2020, 02:37:58 AM
Shooter
I would have been playing Symir as many minutes as possible. At this point Koby is likely the better player and that is why he is getting the playing time. I would have given Symir significant playing time if I were Wojo.
So we can turn the ball over even more and defend worse???
Quote from: Goose on February 23, 2020, 02:37:58 AM
Shooter
I would have been playing Symir as many minutes as possible. At this point Koby is likely the better player and that is why he is getting the playing time. I would have given Symir significant playing time if I were Wojo.
It doesn't matter. The ball will find it's way to Markus and never come out again while everyone else sets picks or stands in the corner. If someone actually cuts to the hoop or rolls after setting the pick, the ball won't come to them 9 times out of 10. That is our offense.
Fluff
Wojo sacrifices player development to be a bubble team year after year. If the kid can't play, then recruit over him. If Wojo thinks he is the future PG he should give him minutes.
Quote from: Goose on February 23, 2020, 06:52:16 AM
Fluff
Wojo sacrifices player development to be a bubble team year after year. If the kid can't play, then recruit over him. If Wojo thinks he is the future PG he should give him minutes.
Giving people minutes they don't deserve to develop them is a terrible strategy.
We disagree. We need to get him ready and this year likely was not going result in a deep run in the tourney regardless.
McEwen was horrible again yesterday- zero assists, 5 turnovers, offered no scoring, and he's slow footed defensively. This has been his pattern all year. He's been a disaster. He's offered two good moments essentially- last 2 or 3 minutes and overtime's against X and 2nd half against Purdue. I'll throw in he was decent in win over Nova.
What have we really had to lose by not giving Symir more opportunities and play through mistakes?! He's made passes and set up bigs for baskets in very limited opportunities no one else has shown ability to do. He can knock down open looks and has a good handle. But Wojo has done nothing to develop him with meaningful game minutes and now that ship has probably sailed at this point.
He could have worked through mistakes of inexperience and been a key part of rotation now I think and largely replaced a less talented player in McEwem masquerading as a PG and Big East level player.
Symir is going to be good. I hope he gives program another chance and doesn't bolt to prove it elsewhere
Symir turns the ball over more than Koby. Or at least that was the case last I looked. And is a worse scoring threat and defender. Yes I think he is going to be good, but this is back up quarterback syndrome pure and simple.
And what did we have to lose? We were ranked in the mid teens a couple weeks ago with a tough stretch of games. Playing Symir coming off three wins would have been foolish.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 23, 2020, 12:37:52 AM
On one end. One of the worst players in the country on the other. Rowsey was a capable ball handler and passer.
Capable and good are different. MU has not had a single skilled true PG in years.
Quote from: Markusquette on February 23, 2020, 10:38:16 AM
Capable and good are different. MU has not had a single skilled true PG in years.
Because your definition of a "true" point is outdated and incorrect.
Quote from: Goose on February 23, 2020, 06:52:16 AM
Fluff
Wojo sacrifices player development to be a bubble team year after year. If the kid can't play, then recruit over him. If Wojo thinks he is the future PG he should give him minutes.
We haven't been a bubble team the past two years.
I suppose this year is technically still up in the air until we win another game.
UnleashJayce.Which of these players have you seen play at MU.Meminger,Boylan,Worthen,Henry,Miller and Diener?
A better assist rate doesn't mean better offense. We got to the line a ton and scored 1.00 ppp. The assist rate of 20% is low, but so what?
The game before we scored only 0.92 ppp and had a whopping 68% assist rate.
It's stylistic. You can be a ultra-efficient offense with a low assist rate, and a crappy offense that struggles to score but has a high assist rate.
JayBee that is true but you can't have an almost 5 to 1 ratio in turnovers compared to assists in a game.You will lose every game with that ratio.Until Wojo gets more consistent play at the PG position MU will struggle.McEwen played 24 minutes and had 5 turnovers and zero assists.You are not winning with those stats from the PG position
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on February 23, 2020, 01:35:26 PM
JayBee that is true but you can't have an almost 5 to 1 ratio in turnovers compared to assists in a game.You will lose every game with that ratio.Until Wojo gets more consistent play at the PG position MU will struggle.McEwen played 24 minutes and had 5 turnovers and zero assists.You are not winning with those stats from the PG position
Again, you're trying to make assists something they are not. 'Assist to turnover ratio' is mixing up two distinct stats. A guard having 5 turnovers and zero assists doesn't mean you can't win a game.
5 turnovers is going to be bad unless the usage is off the charts, but zero assists doesn't mean your offense was bad.
Maybe from your Center but from your PG it is a big problem
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 23, 2020, 01:49:09 PM
Again, you're trying to make assists something they are not. 'Assist to turnover ratio' is mixing up two distinct stats. A guard having 5 turnovers and zero assists doesn't mean you can't win a game.
5 turnovers is going to be bad unless the usage is off the charts, but zero assists doesn't mean your offense was bad.
I'd just block him. He's either a troll or someone with no basketball knowledge
You are right Unleashjayce,I don't know basketball.Why don't you call Mike Hopkins and ask him what his teams problem has been the last 13 games.That is if you know who Mike Hopkins is.
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Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on February 23, 2020, 01:35:26 PM
JayBee that is true but you can't have an almost 5 to 1 ratio in turnovers compared to assists in a game.You will lose every game with that ratio.Until Wojo gets more consistent play at the PG position MU will struggle.McEwen played 24 minutes and had 5 turnovers and zero assists.You are not winning with those stats from the PG
position
Koby had the dumbest play of the game as he abandoned the paint to go to his man allowing the player at the top of the key a free shot at the basket. The rest of the team was spread out nobody within 10' of the basket as we allowed player to walk to the basket. Sometimes I think the team and coach all lack bball i.q.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 22, 2020, 01:39:24 PM
Does Markus ever have an assist?
He assisted on getting the Baby Joey to leave the team.