So many fun posts in Dec and January that look so dumb right now.
Nice job by Wojo, staff and team. I liked when Markus took that horrible corner shot he grabbed him and sat him a bit later....great defense.
Was there any f'n booing at this game?
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 09, 2020, 01:00:26 PM
Was there any f'n booing at this game?
Not sure, but I liked the wojo "stand up" to the student section when they were doing victory lap subs
Quote from: Cheeks on February 09, 2020, 12:58:22 PM
So many fun posts in Dec and January that look so dumb right now.
Nice job by Wojo, staff and team. I liked when Markus took that horrible corner shot he grabbed him and sat him a bit later....great defense.
Those signs in the dorm windows are aging very poorly.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 09, 2020, 01:00:26 PM
Was there any f'n booing at this game?
There were no boos today. A nice crowd and great win. Wojo really has the program trending upwards on the court and in recruiting these last few weeks.
Big recruit in for today as well. Great team win
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 09, 2020, 01:00:26 PM
Was there any f'n booing at this game?
Yes, from the north end student section.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 09, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
Big recruit in for today as well. Great team win
Any idea who it was?
Unless I read it wrong, I believe Ryan Conway was at game.
Free throws and defense lead to going deep into the tourny.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 09, 2020, 01:07:41 PM
There were no boos today. A nice crowd and great win. Wojo really has the program trending upwards on the court and in recruiting these last few weeks.
Good to hear.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 09, 2020, 01:12:58 PM
Unless I read it wrong, I believe Ryan Conway was at game.
Thx for the info!
Wojo made sure to thank the crowd when Homer was ready to end the post game interview. Said they were awesome and said it was an honor to play in such a great atmosphere( or something like that) today.
That's awesome....didn't hear the post game.
We started off 1-3. That warrants some serious concern.
We've won 6 of 7. That warrants some serious props.
I like where we're headed. Biggest concern at 1-3 was would it all fall apart. Coaching staff turned it around and it didn't. Kudos to them. They deserve every bit of praise. This has been a lot of fun to watch.
The Providence loss caused a collective loss of minds. It was proof of all the bad anyone thought about Wojo.
And yet here we are. This team doesn't suck. It isn't soft. Wojo can coach.
Quote from: tower912 on February 09, 2020, 02:06:22 PM
The Providence loss caused a collective loss of minds. It was proof of all the bad anyone thought about Wojo.
And yet here we are. This team doesn't suck. It isn't soft. Wojo can coach.
Yep.....it was never soft.....and they never sucked.....they just didn't play well and lost a game when a bad shooter made a contested 3 to force ot.
Quote from: MuMark on February 09, 2020, 02:10:38 PM
Yep.....it was never soft.....and they never sucked.....they just didn't play well and lost a game when a bad shooter made a contested 3 to force ot.
I think we are in accord.
Time to step on Nova while they're down.
Quote from: The Lens on February 09, 2020, 02:01:59 PM
We started off 1-3. That warrants some serious concern.
We've won 6 of 7. That warrants some serious props.
I like where we're headed. Biggest concern at 1-3 was would it all fall apart. Coaching staff turned it around and it didn't. Kudos to them. They deserve every bit of praise. This has been a lot of fun to watch.
Disagree...the 1-3 was as much who and where we played. Some people just piss their pants too easily at the slightest hint of adversity.
Quote from: manesworld on February 09, 2020, 02:53:38 PM
Time to step on Nova while they're down.
Anyone know how long it's been since MU last win at the Pavillion? I remember they came back down 18 at the other place in the buzz years but can't really remember many other wins at Nova. Expecting a good one Wednesday.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 09, 2020, 02:54:44 PM
Disagree...the 1-3 was as much who and where we played. Some people just piss their pants too easily at the slightest hint of adversity.
Yes, they do. Instead of seeing Providence as one of those things, it was viewed as a harbinger of doom.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 09, 2020, 02:59:19 PM
Anyone know how long it's been since MU last win at the Pavillion? I remember they came back down 18 at the other place in the buzz years but can't really remember many other wins at Nova. Expecting a good one Wednesday.
Not an ideal time to be playing Nova...Have lost 2 of their last 3 at home. That almost never happens. They are going to be loaded for bear Wednesday.
Satan Hall hadn't won at Nova in like 25 years...until yesterday. Let's take Nova down while they're down.
WWWW
We Will Win Wednesday!
Quote from: MU82 on February 09, 2020, 03:13:31 PM
WWWW
We Will Win Wednesday!
I don't think so, but hope to be wrong.
Love the optimism. I think Nova comes out angry and jumps on us. I hope nobody gets hurt.
Quote from: tower912 on February 09, 2020, 03:21:08 PM
Love the optimism. I think Nova comes out angry and jumps on us. I hope nobody gets hurt.
I always think this kind of thing is overrated. Wasn't Nova plenty "angry" and motivated against Seton Hall, as they had just lost 2 straight, including one at home? If not, all jokes aside, Wright really should be fired! (Joking.)
I like the way we match up with this year's Nova team. If we play well, we will be in the game from start to finish.
WWWW
T1tt1es
Quote from: Cheeks on February 09, 2020, 02:54:44 PM
Disagree...the 1-3 was as much who and where we played. Some people just piss their pants too easily at the slightest hint of adversity.
I was taught 5 years to judge. So when a coach after 5 years has no NCAA wins, a conference title or even a conference championship game appearance I tend to worry when that coach starts out 1-3 in conference. But again, it's bc I was taught...5 years to judge.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 09, 2020, 01:12:58 PM
Unless I read it wrong, I believe Ryan Conway was at game.
Yes. I had eyes on the kid behind the MU bench. This profile perfectly matches the guy I saw wearing his team color - Red. Kinda stood out on Blue/Gold day. https://247sports.com/player/ryan-conway-46057257/
Quote from: tower912 on February 09, 2020, 03:21:08 PM
Love the optimism. I think Nova comes out angry and jumps on us. I hope nobody gets hurt.
Agree Nova should be fired up. Add in they are retiring Arcidiacono's jersey and you have a fired up crowd as well. I still think we're the better team. They'll need to grind this one.
Quote from: SoaringEagle on February 09, 2020, 03:46:18 PM
Yes. I had eyes on the kid behind the MU bench. This profile perfectly matches the guy I saw wearing his team color - Red. Kinda stood out on Blue/Gold day. https://247sports.com/player/ryan-conway-46057257/
Can confirm, it was Conway
Nova is at home and very desperate for a win. MU has been playing well. The matchup is in MU's favor I think, but combination of desperate Nova at home is making me second guess the optimism.
I don't want to be negative, but if history has taught us anything, when MU has a lot to play for and really has a chance to do something special, they TYPICALLY have not gotten the job done. Hopefully that changes Wednesday, but man, what a terrible time to have to play Nova.
Quote from: muguru on February 09, 2020, 05:20:41 PM
I don't want to be negative,
All evidence to the contrary.
Quote from: muguru on February 09, 2020, 05:20:41 PM
I don't want to be negative, but if history has taught us anything, when MU has a lot to play for and really has a chance to do something special, they TYPICALLY have not gotten the job done. Hopefully that changes Wednesday, but man, what a terrible time to have to play Nova.
When Is a great time to play at nova
Quote from: Cheeks on February 09, 2020, 02:54:44 PM
Disagree...the 1-3 was as much who and where we played. Some people just piss their pants too easily at the slightest hint of adversity.
Yep, same thing last season with that Indiana beatdown.
Quote from: Johnny B on February 09, 2020, 05:26:24 PM
When Is a great time to play at nova
Well, likely never, but if I had my choice, I'd rather have flipped flopped the MU-Nova games. Would have rather played them @ Nova early and at home now. Certainly not after they have lost 3 straight though. When's the last time Nova has lost 3 in a row?? Let alone 4??
Quote from: muguru on February 09, 2020, 06:08:15 PM
Well, likely never, but if I had my choice, I'd rather have flipped flopped the MU-Nova games. Would have rather played them @ Nova early and at home now. Certainly not after they have lost 3 straight though. When's the last time Nova has lost 3 in a row?? Let alone 4??
Of course, in that case had we lost at Nova, we would have had an 0-4 start. Scoop would have handled that well.
I don't know when the last time Nova has lost 3 or 4 in a row. I do know that many Scoopers ripped Wojo as often as they could because he hadn't won 3 straight BEast games - as if it was something impossible, something he'd never do. Then he won 8 straight last year, so folks had to find other crap to beyotch about.
Each game is its own entity.
WWWW
Quote from: MU82 on February 09, 2020, 03:25:42 PM
I always think this kind of thing is overrated. Wasn't Nova plenty "angry" and motivated against Seton Hall, as they had just lost 2 straight, including one at home? If not, all jokes aside, Wright really should be fired! (Joking.)
I like the way we match up with this year's Nova team. If we play well, we will be in the game from start to finish.
WWWW
Seton Hall is just a better team....best team in the conference
Quote from: The Lens on February 09, 2020, 03:35:21 PM
I was taught 5 years to judge. So when a coach after 5 years has no NCAA wins, a conference title or even a conference championship game appearance I tend to worry when that coach starts out 1-3 in conference. But again, it's bc I was taught...5 years to judge.
You were also taught the tournament is a crap shoot. In the 5 years to judge we made significant progress, solid recruiting, made three straight post season tournaments and as some of us said this year...would make it again this year. I cannot help those like PRN and others that guaranteed we were missing the tournament, etc. Those that put all the value in one game in March....yes you get to still complain.
I could be setting myself up for some disappointment, but I think this MU team is better equipped to deal with Nova than in past years. They put the clamps on them last month.
Confident team vs. an angry team. Think it'll be a fun one.
Quote from: The Lens on February 09, 2020, 02:01:59 PM
We started off 1-3. That warrants some serious concern.
We've won 6 of 7. That warrants some serious props.
When did the booing begin? Game 5. Then MU wins 6 of 7.
It worked!
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 09, 2020, 09:39:48 PM
When did the booing begin? Game 5. Then MU wins 6 of 7.
It worked!
It would be nice to let DePaul know.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 09, 2020, 09:39:48 PM
When did the booing begin? Game 5. Then MU wins 6 of 7.
It worked!
Lol
Quote from: muguru on February 09, 2020, 03:03:57 PM
Not an ideal time to be playing Nova...Have lost 2 of their last 3 at home. That almost never happens. They are going to be loaded for bear Wednesday.
Thank God they are loaded for bear. We're Eagles. Golden Eagles. Go Marquette! :)
MU is suppose to lose Wednesday so the team can play loose and have fun, pressure is on Villy. Villy is good but very beatable.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 09, 2020, 11:04:01 PM
MU is suppose to lose Wednesday so the team can play loose and have fun, pressure is on Villy. Villy is good but very beatable.
+1
Quote from: Daniel on February 09, 2020, 10:40:15 PM
Thank God they are loaded for bear. We're Eagles. Golden Eagles. Go Marquette! :)
Booooo
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 09, 2020, 11:04:01 PM
MU is suppose to lose Wednesday so the team can play loose and have fun, pressure is on Villy. Villy is good but very beatable.
Yep, this is an example of a game that is not a "must win game" but it would be nice to get. Would help signal a special run coming. House money baby!
Tower,
Question for you: you expressed the opinion multiple times in the past that Wojo hadn't yet shown the ability to coach at a level where his teams were more than the sum of the parts (a point of view I largely agree with). Does this year's success to date, along with perhaps the run last year before the collapse, begin to show that ability to some degree?
I'm also wondering how much the results are a factor of Marquette simply getting old with starting a 5th year Sr, Sr, RS Jr, Jr, and 22 year old Soph.
A fair question. On paper, the team is actually behind my expectations of having a record similar to last season. Oops. Need to finish strong. I think, considering Ed's departure and the injuries to Theo, Koby, Greg, and Markus, Wojo has gotten the maximum reasonably expected production from this roster.
Magic would be to continue this recent tear for another 6 weeks into the second weekend of the tourney. So, good. Not yet magic.
Not Tower but agree with his Wojo assessment. For me, no. I expected a four seed this season. KenPom projected us to be a top 15 team preseason. Where we are currently at is below what I consider the sum of this team's parts.
Season is still going. Keep playing the way we have and maybe I change that tune by the end of the year. I'd say we'd need to either get a three seed or higher and/or make the elite 8 for me to think that way so it's a tall order
Quote from: TAMU Garcia on February 11, 2020, 09:07:47 AM
Not Tower but agree with his Wojo assessment. For me, no. I expected a four seed this season. KenPom projected us to be a top 15 team preseason. Where we are currently at is below what I consider the sum of this team's parts.
Season is still going. Keep playing the way we have and maybe I change that tune by the end of the year. I'd say we'd need to either get a three seed or higher and/or make the elite 8 for me to think that way so it's a tall order
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I find this interesting. While I understand where you are coming from given your citation of the kenpom projection, I am a little surprised on the 3 seed or elite 8 standard. If they get a 4 seed and a sweet sixteen, would that be considered a lost season to you? Or at least an underachieving one?
I am genuinely curious and not trying to incite things on this board (as it seems a lot of threads devolve into).
Quote from: TAMU Garcia on February 11, 2020, 09:07:47 AM
Not Tower but agree with his Wojo assessment. For me, no. I expected a four seed this season. KenPom projected us to be a top 15 team preseason. Where we are currently at is below what I consider the sum of this team's parts.
Season is still going. Keep playing the way we have and maybe I change that tune by the end of the year. I'd say we'd need to either get a three seed or higher and/or make the elite 8 for me to think that way so it's a tall order
But the preseason KPom numbers are skewed by last years numbers which included the Hausers contributions. I think a top 15 preseason expectation was not reasonable. Most pundits agreed with that as well.
TAMU seems to be being consistent. When the Hauser rumors were swirling, I remember him writing a post in which he said he was sticking to his projection for 2019-2020 -- something along the lines of he expects Wojo to deliver, no matter what happens. It's Year 6 and it's time.
I'm sure TAMU will discuss that.
I'm quite satisfied with what's gone on so far this season, but I also think it's time for some postseason success. Having said that, I'm well aware that what I think (or you think or any of us think) doesn't really matter because Wojo's seat isn't even close to lukewarm.
Jake, I think the current NET rankings are fair and accurate in regards to MU. Assuming there is not a repeat of last year, after the Big East tourney, MU will have 22-23 wins and be a 4-5 seed. To me, that was the high end of expectations. I would consider it Wojo's finest coaching job so far, bringing the program through last spring's unexpected departures. It would give me more hope and confidence that he can get the job done long term.
But the make or break for many would be what happens in the tourney. Win a couple, peace. Lose in the first round, and all that was accomplished to get the team that far is erased in some fans' minds. I disagree with that, but I know by now I can't change that.
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 11, 2020, 09:21:38 AM
But the preseason KPom numbers are skewed by last years numbers which included the Hausers contributions. I think a top 15 preseason expectation was not reasonable. Most pundits agreed with that as well.
Thank you for this explanation. I can't imagine anyone would have expected this team to be top 15 post-defectors. I get it some don't believe the standard changes because they blame Wojo for their exit. Setting all that aside and purely looking at this year's team coming in, 15 seems a lofty expectation to me. Not a ton of games, but long way to go in terms of how all this shakes out. We learned that last year.
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 11, 2020, 09:21:38 AM
But the preseason KPom numbers are skewed by last years numbers which included the Hausers contributions. I think a top 15 preseason expectation was not reasonable. Most pundits agreed with that as well.
I'm a fan of KenPom and think his evaluations are useful and interesting, but his preseason rankings are often far from reality.
His preseason top 10 this year included:
1. Michigan State
2. Kentucky
5. Virginia
6. North Carolina
7. Purdue
In other words, half of his top 10 aren't close to living up to his preseason billing. I think judging the success/failure of a team's season based on where KenPom ranked them in the preseason is silly.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 11, 2020, 09:30:40 AM
I'm a fan of KenPom and think his evaluations are useful and interesting, but his preseason rankings are often far from reality.
His preseason top 10 this year included:
1. Michigan State
2. Kentucky
5. Virginia
6. North Carolina
7. Purdue
In other words, half of his top 10 aren't close to living up to his preseason billing. I think judging the success/failure of a team's season based on where KenPom ranked them in the preseason is silly.
Agree 100%. It's like going back to recruiting rankings of 7 years ago. Dopey and irrelevant.
I am in the camp that will just have to see how the season plays out. I have no idea if were 3 or 4 seed or we just flame out the rest of the season. That is why we play the games and makes college basketball so exciting.
I think Marquette is set up for big East and ncaa post season success...
Older line up
Star quality
Good consistent rotation
Good health, knock on wood...
Length and quickness
A defense
Years past...
We did not have most of the above
We didn't have
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 11, 2020, 09:21:38 AM
But the preseason KPom numbers are skewed by last years numbers which included the Hausers contributions. I think a top 15 preseason expectation was not reasonable. Most pundits agreed with that as well.
I thought post-Hausers we were more like number 30?
Quote from: tower912 on February 11, 2020, 09:28:55 AM
To me, that was the high end of expectations. I would consider it Wojo's finest coaching job so far, bringing the program through last spring's unexpected departures.
Doesn't this contradict your previous statement of the team being behind where you expected?
The team has performed well. My peak expectations were 23 wins going into the Big East tourney. A couple of OT losses means the record isn't going to reach my peak expectations. The play, however, has been what I hoped for.
Quote from: tower912 on February 11, 2020, 09:28:55 AM
Jake, I think the current NET rankings are fair and accurate in regards to MU. Assuming there is not a repeat of last year, after the Big East tourney, MU will have 22-23 wins and be a 4-5 seed. To me, that was the high end of expectations. I would consider it Wojo's finest coaching job so far, bringing the program through last spring's unexpected departures. It would give me more hope and confidence that he can get the job done long term.
But the make or break for many would be what happens in the tourney. Win a couple, peace. Lose in the first round, and all that was accomplished to get the team that far is erased in some fans' minds. I disagree with that, but I know by now I can't change that.
I definitely get that the postseason is always the barometer for "success" whether or not it shows you the true colors of a coach/system. I think I have a pretty low bar of "win one" to see some progress. 10-8 was the hope for conference play and Sweet Sixteen is the ceiling I had for this team post-Hauser departure--and that was with everything clicking. Past three games have clicked nicely.
Right now it feels a lot like they have played exactly to where I thought they'd be. Get to 11-7 or 12-6 and color me impressed with how the team played. But for now, just beat Nova for the season sweep and keep 2nd place.
Quote from: TSmith34 on February 11, 2020, 10:53:47 AM
I thought post-Hausers we were more like number 30?
No, that was on T-Rank (barttorvik.com). Pomeroy had us higher, partially because of old data but his model also liked our defense more.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 11, 2020, 09:16:55 AM
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I find this interesting. While I understand where you are coming from given your citation of the kenpom projection, I am a little surprised on the 3 seed or elite 8 standard. If they get a 4 seed and a sweet sixteen, would that be considered a lost season to you? Or at least an underachieving one?
I am genuinely curious and not trying to incite things on this board (as it seems a lot of threads devolve into).
The question was "does Wojo make a team more than the sum of its parts" not "what do we need to do for a successful season." Preseason I expected a 4 seed which means we are favored to make the Sweet 16. That would be meeting my preseason expectations. In order for me to say that Wojo made the team more than the sum of its parts I would need to see more than that, i.e. 3 seed and/or Elite Eight.
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 11, 2020, 09:21:38 AM
But the preseason KPom numbers are skewed by last years numbers which included the Hausers contributions. I think a top 15 preseason expectation was not reasonable. Most pundits agreed with that as well.
While not perfect, Kenpom adjusts for transfers as did I. Pre-Hausergate I expected a top 8 team and a 2 seed. Post-Hausergate and addition of Symir and Jayce I expected a top 15 team and a 4 seed.
Quote from: TAMU Garcia on February 11, 2020, 12:12:58 PM
The question was "does Wojo make a team more than the sum of its parts" not "what do we need to do for a successful season." Preseason I expected a 4 seed which means we are favored to make the Sweet 16. That would be meeting my preseason expectations. In order for me to say that Wojo made the team more than the sum of its parts I would need to see more than that, i.e. 3 seed and/or Elite Eight.
Yes, you are correct that that was the question I posed.
You've also been consistent in saying you still had the same expectations for the team even after the Hausers left. I am curious as to that line of thought--it seems either you didn't think the Hausers added anything, or you were expecting the team to essentially outperform the remaining talent level. Is that a fair understanding, or did you see it a different way?
I find it completely laughable that people still hang onto the notion that losing the defectors made the team worse and that what has been achieved could possibly be achieved without the white turnstyles.
Sad group
Quote from: MU82 on February 11, 2020, 09:26:19 AM
TAMU seems to be being consistent. When the Hauser rumors were swirling, I remember him writing a post in which he said he was sticking to his projection for 2019-2020 -- something along the lines of he expects Wojo to deliver, no matter what happens. It's Year 6 and it's time.
I'm sure TAMU will discuss that.
I'm quite satisfied with what's gone on so far this season, but I also think it's time for some postseason success. Having said that, I'm well aware that what I think (or you think or any of us think) doesn't really matter because Wojo's seat isn't even close to lukewarm.
I did say that, but that's not why my preseason expectations were a top 15 team. I looked at the roster, I looked at the rest of the rosters around D1 and when I put them onto an S-Curve I though Marquette was the 14th best team in the nation.
I could go deeper into the math but put simply my belief was (Addition of Jayce + addition of Symir + addition of Dexter (pre-redshirt) + addition of Koby + addition of Greg + average improvement from Markus/Sacar/Theo/Brendan/Ed/Jamal) > (Loss of Sam + Loss of Joey + Loss of Joe + Loss of Matt). I've always though this year would be better than last year.
Quote from: TAMU Garcia on February 11, 2020, 12:22:25 PM
I did say that, but that's not why my preseason expectations were a top 15 team. I looked at the roster, I looked at the rest of the rosters around D1 and when I put them onto an S-Curve I though Marquette was the 14th best team in the nation.
I could go deeper into the math but put simply my belief was (Addition of Jayce + addition of Symir + addition of Dexter (pre-redshirt) + addition of Koby + addition of Greg + average improvement from Markus/Sacar/Theo/Brendan/Ed/Jamal) > (Loss of Sam + Loss of Joey + Loss of Joe + Loss of Matt). I've always though this year would be better than last year.
Interesting, thanks for the answer. I appreciate the folks on scoop such as yourself who delve deep into the data and analysis.
Quote from: TSmith34 on February 11, 2020, 12:20:06 PM
Yes, you are correct that that was the question I posed.
You've also been consistent in saying you still had the same expectations for the team even after the Hausers left. I am curious as to that line of thought--it seems either you didn't think the Hausers added anything, or you were expecting the team to essentially outperform the remaining talent level. Is that a fair understanding, or did you see it a different way?
My preseason expectations for this specific season did change after the Hausers left. I truly believed we were a top 8 team in the country with the Hausers. After they left and we added Jayce/Symir my expectations changed to top 15 team in the country. It may seem small, but the difference between a top 8 team and a top 15 team is often greater than the distance between a top 15 team and a top 40 team.
My expectations for the program didn't change after the Hausers left. The golden power point promised two years of rebuild, back to the NCAAs in year 3, a small step back in year 4 due to large senior class, year 5 high seed in the NCAAs with a foundation for future success, year 6 team capable of making a deep run. I think Wojo is still on track here.
Quote from: TAMU Garcia on February 11, 2020, 12:12:58 PM
The question was "does Wojo make a team more than the sum of its parts" not "what do we need to do for a successful season." Preseason I expected a 4 seed which means we are favored to make the Sweet 16. That would be meeting my preseason expectations. In order for me to say that Wojo made the team more than the sum of its parts I would need to see more than that, i.e. 3 seed and/or Elite Eight.
Thanks for the response. Definitely makes sense on the perspective.
Quote from: TAMU Garcia on February 11, 2020, 12:22:25 PM
I did say that, but that's not why my preseason expectations were a top 15 team. I looked at the roster, I looked at the rest of the rosters around D1 and when I put them onto an S-Curve I though Marquette was the 14th best team in the nation.
I could go deeper into the math but put simply my belief was (Addition of Jayce + addition of Symir + addition of Dexter (pre-redshirt) + addition of Koby + addition of Greg + average improvement from Markus/Sacar/Theo/Brendan/Ed/Jamal) > (Loss of Sam + Loss of Joey + Loss of Joe + Loss of Matt). I've always though this year would be better than last year.
After reading this I have a greater regard for the work that goes into your Predictions/Expectation. (These words are interchangeable)
Just curious, if 23 wins were the peak what was the valley?
Thanks again for sharing your in depth research.
Quote from: TAMU Garcia on February 11, 2020, 12:22:25 PM
I did say that, but that's not why my preseason expectations were a top 15 team. I looked at the roster, I looked at the rest of the rosters around D1 and when I put them onto an S-Curve I though Marquette was the 14th best team in the nation.
I could go deeper into the math but put simply my belief was (Addition of Jayce + addition of Symir + addition of Dexter (pre-redshirt) + addition of Koby + addition of Greg + average improvement from Markus/Sacar/Theo/Brendan/Ed/Jamal) > (Loss of Sam + Loss of Joey + Loss of Joe + Loss of Matt). I've always though this year would be better than last year.
Thanks for the detailed answer, TAMU.
So if we achieve exactly what we did last year -- 5-seed and first-round loss -- you become a firm Nojo?
Quote from: MU82 on February 11, 2020, 01:22:24 PM
Thanks for the detailed answer, TAMU.
So if we achieve exactly what we did last year -- 5-seed and first-round loss -- you become a firm Nojo?
Nope, but it doesn't push me towards Projo either
Quote from: TAMU Garcia on February 11, 2020, 12:12:58 PM
The question was "does Wojo make a team more than the sum of its parts" not "what do we need to do for a successful season." Preseason I expected a 4 seed which means we are favored to make the Sweet 16. That would be meeting my preseason expectations. In order for me to say that Wojo made the team more than the sum of its parts I would need to see more than that, i.e. 3 seed and/or Elite Eight.
Not to nitpick too much, but we were ranked 18th preseason on Kenpom.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 11, 2020, 01:50:11 PM
Not to nitpick too much, but we were ranked 18th preseason on Kenpom.
did kenpom predict a record?
Quote from: lawdog77 on February 11, 2020, 02:29:27 PM
did kenpom predict a record?
Probably, but it would have excluded the final two Orlando games and I'm not sure how to check that.