With an entire week off and time to breathe...what do you all think the magic number is to clinch a bid in the NCAA tournament this year? I'm going to go with 4 (20 wins). Here's the remaining schedule:
vs Butler
@ Nova
vs Creighton
@Providence
vs Georgetown
vs Seton Hall
@ Depaul
@ St Johns
Big East Tournament
Hopefully others see 4 wins in this stretch. I truly think 3 probably gets us in (maybe even 2?).
1-0.
Have you looked at who is on the bubble? It's 3 for sure.
2 gets us in.
3 firmly between 7-9 seed.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 02, 2020, 12:55:42 AM
With an entire week off and time to breathe...what do you all think the magic number is to clinch a bid in the NCAA tournament this year? I'm going to go with 4 (20 wins). Here's the remaining schedule:
vs Butler
@ Nova
vs Creighton
@Providence
vs Georgetown
vs Seton Hall
@ Depaul
@ St Johns
Big East Tournament
Hopefully others see 4 wins in this stretch. I truly think 3 probably gets us in (maybe even 2?).
At least 4 wins, probably 5. Looking at remaining schedule, could very well see a 3 consecutive loss in those games.
Bracket Matrix shows teams like Purdue and Virginia at the back end of the bubble.
8-10 in the big East would get us in, just not a preferred seed (9-10)
Done deal at 22 which leaves us with 6 more wins in 9 or 10. Probably with 21. Bubble at 20.
Neva quit winnin', aina?
Quote from: willie warrior on February 02, 2020, 05:55:40 AM
At least 4 wins, probably 5. Looking at remaining schedule, could very well see a 3 consecutive loss in those games.
Probably 5? Marquette ends up at 11-7 in conference they are firmly in and it's not close.
9-9 is comfortably in. 11-7, 6 seed.
This is great.
Opinions of just 1 more win.......all the way to gotta have 5 wins.
Look at the recent records of Ohio State and Michigan. They are still considered 'in'. Marquette is in good shape, even at 9-9.
Bored while watching Arsenal, so I ran the numbers on T-Rank. For all simulations, I had a loss to Butler in the first round of the BET.
8-0- 4 seed
7-1 (L to Nova), 5 seed
6-2 (L to Nova and Providence), 6 seed
5-3 (L to Nova, Providence and DePaul), 6 seed
4-4 (L to Nova, Providence, DePaul and St. John's), 7 seed
3-5 (L to Nova Providence, DePaul, St. John's and Creighton), 7 seed
2-6 (L to Nova, Providence, DePaul, St. John's, Creighton and Butler), 7 seed
1-7 (L to Nova, Providence, DePaul, St. John's, Creighton, Butler and Seton Hall), 10 seed
0-8 (L to everyone, including Georgetown), 6th team out
Quote from: MUDPT on February 02, 2020, 08:27:22 AM
Bored while watching Arsenal, so I ran the numbers on T-Rank. For all simulations, I had a loss to Butler in the first round of the BET.
8-0- 4 seed
7-1 (L to Nova), 5 seed
6-2 (L to Nova and Providence), 6 seed
5-3 (L to Nova, Providence and DePaul), 6 seed
4-4 (L to Nova, Providence, DePaul and St. John's), 7 seed
3-5 (L to Nova Providence, DePaul, St. John's and Creighton), 7 seed
2-6 (L to Nova, Providence, DePaul, St. John's, Creighton and Butler), 7 seed
1-7 (L to Nova, Providence, DePaul, St. John's, Creighton, Butler and Seton Hall), 10 seed
0-8 (L to everyone, including Georgetown), 6th team out
If we went 5-3 with the above losses means that we have wins vs. SH and Butler. Those wins, coupled with the Nova win, I think would put us as a 5 seed. NET ranking is just one of the tools the committee will use. They will also look at Q1 wins and bad losses.
Marquette is in the Top 12 in Q1 games and have zero bad losses. Our resume is very good right now and I can easily see a 6 seed with a 10-8 finish.
9-9 in conference.....
As I have said.....
The NCAA is not going to not have Markus in the tourney being the "known" leading scorer in the country......and it is not even close.......Think Steph Curry.....
I have not ever been so unworried about making the NCAA's......Now if some team takes Markus out for the rest of the year......We have a problem.....
Don't be naive......The NCAA is about $$$$$$$$$$$$$.....The more the better and the more "stories" in the tourney for marketing......We are almost a lock.....
Quote from: burger on February 02, 2020, 08:32:06 AM
9-9 in conference.....
As I have said.....
The NCAA is not going to not have Markus in the tourney being the "known" leading scorer in the country......and it is not even close.......Think Steph Curry.....
I have not ever been so unworried about making the NCAA's......Now if some team takes Markus out for the rest of the year......We have a problem.....
Don't be naive......The NCAA is about $$$$$$$$$$$$$.....The more the better and the more "stories" in the tourney for marketing......We are almost a lock.....
We are a lock but it has nothing to do with the reasons above.
We have a really good resume and the bubble is once again really bad.
Anyone who thinks more than 3 is necessary to be a mortal lock is smoking something sweet. Almost certainly in, at least to Dayton, with 2 more though maybe a few really bizarre scenarios that keep us out.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 02, 2020, 07:56:58 AM
Probably 5? Marquette ends up at 11-7 in conference they are firmly in and it's not close.
tell that to MCMUfan above.
Quote from: burger on February 02, 2020, 08:32:06 AM
9-9 in conference.....
As I have said.....
The NCAA is not going to not have Markus in the tourney being the "known" leading scorer in the country......and it is not even close.......Think Steph Curry.....
I have not ever been so unworried about making the NCAA's......Now if some team takes Markus out for the rest of the year......We have a problem.....
Don't be naive......The NCAA is about $$$$$$$$$$$$$.....The more the better and the more "stories" in the tourney for marketing......We are almost a lock.....
Hmmmm.... Did not know that was in selection criteria that leading scorer in country's team automatically gets in Dance. Learn something new every day.
2.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 02, 2020, 05:55:40 AM
At least 4 wins, probably 5. Looking at remaining schedule, could very well see a 3 consecutive loss in those games.
5 more wins, Marquette is a 5 seed, maybe even a 4. Pay more attention, or post less. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 02, 2020, 09:15:38 AM
5 more wins, Marquette is a 5 seed, maybe even a 4. Pay more attention, or post less. You have no idea what you're talking about.
You know what they say about opinions? And you definitely have one, without having a clue of what you are saying.
3 wins is a lock. 2 might be enough.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 02, 2020, 09:18:50 AM
You know what they say about opinions? And you definitely have one, without having a clue of what you are saying.
Except I do have a clue what I'm saying. That's the difference.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 02, 2020, 09:11:00 AM
Hmmmm.... Did not know that was in selection criteria that leading scorer in country's team automatically gets in Dance. Learn something new every day.
You have now received an epiphany then.....This is how the world works young man.....
The NCAA needs to keep those multiple-billion $ tourney contracts coming.....Marketing baby.....Marketing.....
And yes "stories" are a method.....as long as we are "close" to the bubble.....We are in.....and not like 7 -11 in conference......can't be "too" obvious.....
For example......remember the Ja Morant "story" last year.....We may even receive a very favorable "path" and "bracket"....
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 02, 2020, 09:22:46 AM
Except I do have a clue what I'm saying. That's the difference.
Some fans are myopic. Some see context and the big picture. Find 30 likely at-large teams with better resumes. If somebody does, I will have a nanosecond of anxiety about a bid.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 02, 2020, 09:22:46 AM
Except I do have a clue what I'm saying. That's the difference.
Opinions. opinios. You do know what they say about opinions?
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 02, 2020, 12:55:42 AM
With an entire week off and time to breathe...what do you all think the magic number is to clinch a bid in the NCAA tournament this year? I'm going to go with 4 (20 wins). Here's the remaining schedule:
vs Butler
@ Nova
vs Creighton
@Providence
vs Georgetown
vs Seton Hall
@ Depaul
@ St Johns
Big East Tournament
Hopefully others see 4 wins in this stretch. I truly think 3 probably gets us in (maybe even 2?).
Technically to clinch you would need to win the Big East Tournament so 3-4 tournament games depending on the seed we get.
To be selected as an at large I think MU needs to have .500 conference record so three wins. According to ESPN's latest bubble watch they list 44 teams for 37 spots. MU is listed as should be in. They are obviously projecting some wins. It has Georgetown and Xavier in the need work category. Seton Hall is the only lock in the Big East.
" Marquette would appear to be headed for its second consecutive seed in the Nos. 5 to 8 vicinity. Markus Howard is Markus Howard, of course, and Steve Wojciechowski's group does a commendable job limiting opponents to one shot on offense. Big double-digit victories at home against Villanova and on a neutral floor against USC have the potential to look better and better in the event that those opponents win some games in February and beyond. Note additionally that Marquette has joined Villanova in the Big East's highly-perimeter-oriented club. Sacar Anim and Brendan Bailey have proved themselves to be valuable supporting shooters alongside Howard."
70% of the Big East is in the mix.
They also have Wisconsin in the Should be In category.
12 teams in the Big Ten are in the mix
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 02, 2020, 07:32:27 AM
Done deal at 22 which leaves us with 6 more wins in 9 or 10. Probably with 21. Bubble at 20.
You are insane.
Quote from: MUDPT on February 02, 2020, 08:27:22 AM
Bored while watching Arsenal, so I ran the numbers on T-Rank. For all simulations, I had a loss to Butler in the first round of the BET.
8-0- 4 seed
7-1 (L to Nova), 5 seed
6-2 (L to Nova and Providence), 6 seed
5-3 (L to Nova, Providence and DePaul), 6 seed
4-4 (L to Nova, Providence, DePaul and St. John's), 7 seed
3-5 (L to Nova Providence, DePaul, St. John's and Creighton), 7 seed
2-6 (L to Nova, Providence, DePaul, St. John's, Creighton and Butler), 7 seed
1-7 (L to Nova, Providence, DePaul, St. John's, Creighton, Butler and Seton Hall), 10 seed
0-8 (L to everyone, including Georgetown), 6th team out
Bored while watching soccer? No way!
Quote from: manesworld on February 02, 2020, 10:30:43 AM
Bored while watching soccer EPL? No way!
Fixed it for you. La Liga is where it is at
I'd say 18-19 wins and a BE tourney win. Hopefully we can finish the regular season with at least 20 wins
1 might be enough.
2 would get us in.
3 would get us a single-digit seed.
4 would give us a comfortable seed.
5+ would have us in the mix for a protected seed.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 02, 2020, 09:42:43 AM
Opinions. opinios. You do know what they say about opinions?
Yes, everyone has opinions. Some are informed and based on actual knowledge of the situation. Others aren't.
Happy to wager any amount of money you'd like that Marquette gets a bid at 9-9 or 10-8. You suggested just this morning it will require 11-7, so should be easy money, eh?
10 Big East wins including Big East tournament gets us in.
Maybe in at 9-9 and 0-1, but I will be sweating it out on selection Sunday. Right now we are 1-4 against the top teams and 5-0 against the bottom teams. Finishing 8 and 0 against the bottom four and 1 and 9 against the top 5 would not make me think we deserve a bid.
Quote from: bilsu on February 02, 2020, 12:02:55 PM
10 Big East wins including Big East tournament gets us in.
Maybe in at 9-9 and 0-1, but I will be sweating it out on selection Sunday. Right now we are 1-4 against the top teams and 5-0 against the bottom teams. Finishing 8 and 0 against the bottom four and 1 and 9 against the top 5 would not make me think we deserve a bid.
We are 100% in with 9 league wins. Does not matter how we get them.
8-10 and 0-1 in BET almost certainly gets us in too.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 02, 2020, 09:42:43 AM
Opinions. opinios. You do know what they say about opinions?
That yours is wrong?
The correct answer is 2. People are really overestimating how quickly a team can fall a seed line. Hell, 1 might even be enough depending on how the chips fall.
Let's just win em all so we don't have to debate it.
After last season's end of year debacle, who cares? Win the next game, that's all that matters. The rest of the field will figure itself out.
I understand the exercise but it's early for me.
MU has 8 conference games left plus conference tournament plus hopefully the NCAA Tournament.
I'd like to see MU win all of its remaining games in all three categories. All of them. Why not?
One game at a time. Next game is Butler at home. I'm all about that game and not much else until the next one. Just play some good ball and go from there. 👍
Agree Dish This is a fun team to watch and a special year. Taking each game as they come and what happens ,happens. Having non-MU fans telling me how much they enjoy watching us this year.
That said we will be in the BIg Dance
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 02, 2020, 11:14:21 AM
Yes, everyone has opinions. Some are informed and based on actual knowledge of the situation. Others aren't.
Happy to wager any amount of money you'd like that Marquette gets a bid at 9-9 or 10-8. You suggested just this morning it will require 11-7, so should be easy money, eh?
I also would like in on this action. 9-9 is GUARANTEED BID and is taking money from a baby.
Barring a complete collapse, they are soundly in. Top five BE teams should be locks.
I'll say 3 but it's probably 2. Chance with only 1. T rank has us in and not even in Dayton if we win 1 more, but I certainly wouldn't want to test that theory. Has us as an 8 seed with 2 more wins, and a 7 seed at 9-9 or 10-8. 6 seed at 11-7. All of these simulations include a first round BET loss.
Here's how I break it down:
1) Win the three you have to win -- DePaul (A), St. John's (A) and Georgetown (H) and we make the tournament, probably with a 7 or 8 seed
2) Add to that winnable games at home -- Creighton and Butler -- and one winnable road game, Providence, and we make the tournament with a five or six seed.
3) Add to those Seton Hall (H) and Villanova (A) and we're a four seed, maybe a three seed.
Win one or more Big East tournament games and we'll improve our seeding by one position. If we win out, we will be a two seed.
Where it gets tricky is we don't win the games we are supposed to win and don't add any "frosting" by the games in categories 2 and 3. Under those circumstances, we either better go deep in the Big East Tournament or we're a bubble team.
This team is playing tough and hard right now. We're in good shape with the Category 1 games and I think we have a fighting shot at the rest of our home games.
The only game where I think we are at serious risk of losing out the gate is Villanova on the road. That's the roughest game left on the schedule.
Amazing how some scoopers just cant handle something they disagree with. A question was asked how many wins are needed and if you respond with more than 3, people get their panties in a tight wad which squeezes their gonads.. 20 wins is not a guarantee to get in the dance, but should definitely garner big consideration. While the BEast is a great BB conference, we should feel secure with 4 more wins. If we cannot win 4 more conference games, then there should be concern. If we get in with 19 wins (3 in last 8 games), then luck played into it. No reason to get panties bunched up.
Don't just want to get in. 6th seed or better, please!
We Are Marquette!
Never stop winning. Don't be satisfied with 3 wins when you can win 4
The goal should not be getting into the Tournament. Frankly, that should be a given. Now, advancing past game one and beyond is more than reasonable at this point, aina?
Yes, a tourney win would be nice.
Just get in and win the whole f—-ing thing.
1977 all over again!
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 02, 2020, 12:23:13 PM
We are 100% in with 9 league wins. Does not matter how we get them.
8-10 and 0-1 in BET almost certainly gets us in too.
There will be no 8-10 Big East teams getting a bid. The league is already down to a projected 5 bids.
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 02, 2020, 05:26:25 PM
Just get in and win the whole f—-ing thing.
1977 all over again!
They would need Theo to be 110%.
He's about 80% with his wrist.
Koby and Jayce seem to be getting back to 100%, but of course then Markus goes and gets injured.
If the medical staff figures out a better fix for Theo's wrist and Markus fully recovers before the tournament, who knows. This years been crazy. Why not dream big??
Quote from: bilsu on February 02, 2020, 05:35:12 PM
There will be no 8-10 Big East teams getting a bid. The league is already down to a projected 5 bids.
We're in with 8-10. Butler would be too.
Quote from: bilsu on February 02, 2020, 05:35:12 PM
There will be no 8-10 Big East teams getting a bid. The league is already down to a projected 5 bids.
LOL. This seems worth some more investigation.
1 or 2 wins to clinch a bid?... this board has officially went off the rails. That is so absurd that it's not worth pointing out how stupid it is.
I love MU but 18 total wins will put us on the NIT bubble.
I don't think 18 is enough, either. But look around at the other bubble teams. There aren't going to be many worthy teams left out this year.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 02, 2020, 04:10:27 PM
Amazing how some scoopers just cant handle something they disagree with. A question was asked how many wins are needed and if you respond with more than 3, people get their panties in a tight wad which squeezes their gonads.. 20 wins is not a guarantee to get in the dance, but should definitely garner big consideration. While the BEast is a great BB conference, we should feel secure with 4 more wins. If we cannot win 4 more conference games, then there should be concern. If we get in with 19 wins (3 in last 8 games), then luck played into it. No reason to get panties bunched up.
I don't think anyone's panties are in a bunch. Mine certainly aren't. We're just informing you that your baseless opinion is wildly inaccurate.
Quote from: tower912 on February 02, 2020, 08:20:06 PM
I don't think 18 is enough, either. But look around at the other bubble teams. There aren't going to be many worthy teams left out this year.
First, MU is not a bubble team. We are firmly in as of now. If we crash and burn to 18 wins, I'll bet any amount of money we are out. I really don't see that as a possibility. 20+ win MU teams have been left out. As great as the Big East is, 18 wins will not come close to getting us in.
Oklahoma finished at 19-13, 7-11 in the Big Twelve last year and lost in the first round of the Big Twelve Tournament last year. They were a 9 seed in the NCAA Tournament.
We're in with 8 BE wins. Just like SJU was last year, in a far worse BE.
Quote from: manesworld on February 02, 2020, 08:48:40 PM
Oklahoma finished at 19-13, 7-11 in the Big Twelve last year and lost in the first round of the Big Twelve Tournament last year. They were a 9 seed in the NCAA Tournament.
We're in with 8 BE wins. Just like SJU was last year, in a far worse BE.
Thank you for proving my point.
18 for Marquette would get us in. Full stop. I've been crunching the numbers. The difference between Oklahoma and St. John's last year is that this year's bubble is MUCH weaker. Last year was actually a strong bubble.
18 gets us in. Period. Anyone arguing otherwise simply has not done the research.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 02, 2020, 04:10:27 PM
Amazing how some scoopers just cant handle something they disagree with. A question was asked how many wins are needed and if you respond with more than 3, people get their panties in a tight wad which squeezes their gonads.. 20 wins is not a guarantee to get in the dance, but should definitely garner big consideration. While the BEast is a great BB conference, we should feel secure with 4 more wins. If we cannot win 4 more conference games, then there should be concern. If we get in with 19 wins (3 in last 8 games), then luck played into it. No reason to get panties bunched up.
This isn't a matter of opinion though. It's a matter of facts. Your understanding of the facts is incorrect. If MU wins 3 more games it is impossible that they won't make the tournament.
Quote from: TAMU Garcia on February 02, 2020, 09:21:26 PM
This isn't a matter of opinion though. It's a matter of facts. Your understanding of the facts is incorrect. If MU wins 3 more games it is impossible that they won't make the tournament.
Yup. There is a sub-zero chance of us missing with 3 more wins unless we refuse the invite or incur a postseason ban in the next 6 weeks.
But I feel very confident that 2 more wins will definitely get us in. People simply don't understand how bad this bubble is. It is not possible for teams on the bubble to pass the resume that 2 more wins would give us even if they won out.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 02, 2020, 09:17:42 PM
18 for Marquette would get us in. Full stop. I've been crunching the numbers. The difference between Oklahoma and St. John's last year is that this year's bubble is MUCH weaker. Last year was actually a strong bubble.
18 gets us in. Period. Anyone arguing otherwise simply has not done the research.
Ha! So what is the bet? $10,000?
I will 100% put up $10K .
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 02, 2020, 09:25:36 PM
Ha! So what is the bet? $10,000?
Read the article tomorrow then feel free to provide a cogent argument against it. I'll tell you in advance there are 6 teams currently projected in the field that could win out and it is still not possible for them to have a stronger resume than Marquette would with 18 wins. Impossible.
Further, 7 of the 8 teams in the "Next 8 out" on bracketmatrix would have to have a 77.8% winning percentage or better the rest of the way to pass Marquette's resume with 18 wins. The only exception to that is another Big East team, Xavier.
Quit arguing this crap.
We will win at least 7 of 8 and go deep in the tournament.
3 seed here we come!!
#winitall
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 02, 2020, 09:42:18 PM
Read the article tomorrow then feel free to provide a cogent argument against it. I'll tell you in advance there are 6 teams currently projected in the field that could win out and it is still not possible for them to have a stronger resume than Marquette would with 18 wins. Impossible.
Further, 7 of the 8 teams in the "Next 8 out" on bracketmatrix would have to have a 77.8% winning percentage or better the rest of the way to pass Marquette's resume with 18 wins. The only exception to that is another Big East team, Xavier.
I will bet you $10,000.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 02, 2020, 10:00:49 PM
Good for you.
I thought so.
MU is too good to end up with 18 wins. Let's look forward to multiple NCAA wins.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 02, 2020, 10:17:12 PM
I thought so.
MU is too good to end up with 18 wins. Let's look forward to multiple NCAA wins.
I don't have that kind of disposable income and I have never made a bet where I wouldn't have been just as comfortable throwing the money on a bonfire.
I agree that we will end up with more than 18 wins. However I guarantee that if we only end up with 18 wins, we will, unquestionably, be invited to the NCAA Tournament. Teams with far worse resumes will get in this year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 02, 2020, 10:38:32 PM
I don't have that kind of disposable income and I have never made a bet where I wouldn't have been just as comfortable throwing the money on a bonfire.
I agree that we will end up with more than 18 wins. However I guarantee that if we only end up with 18 wins, we will, unquestionably, be invited to the NCAA Tournament. Teams with far worse resumes will get in this year.
Brew
I trust your analysis but I sure hope (and expect) we'll close the season better than 2-7. Wouldn't feel great about our chances if we went in 18-13.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 02, 2020, 09:51:31 PM
I will bet you $10,000.
You're making yourself look bad. Embarrassing actually.
You use no stats, analysis, or facts in your discussion.
And then in response to people who DO use stats, analysis or facts, you bust out the 4th grader "well I bet you 6 chicken nuggets you're wrong!"
How about ANY actual information in your argument instead of "OH I HAVE MONEY! Bet you're wrong". Very Ners and Guru of you.
Betting 10k that 18 wins is out when people who actually do analysis that says otherwise and arguing without facts... weak.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 02, 2020, 10:45:05 PM
Brew
I trust your analysis but I sure hope (and expect) we'll close the season better than 2-7. Wouldn't feel great about our chances if we went in 18-13.
Everyone hopes we finish with 20+ wins.
No one is saying "WE ONLY WANT 2 MORE WINS". But the fact remains that 18 W's for Marquette University in 2019-2020 is a team that is in the NCAA tournament.
Quote from: fjm on February 02, 2020, 10:47:04 PM
Everyone hopes we finish with 20+ wins.
No one is saying "WE ONLY WANT 2 MORE WINS". But the fact remains that 18 W's for Marquette University in 2019-2020 is a team that is in the NCAA tournament.
I didn't mean I didn't think we would get in at 18-13. I meant I wouldn't like our chances to advance if we limped to the finish line. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 02, 2020, 10:55:15 PM
I didn't mean I didn't think we would get in at 18-13. I meant I wouldn't like our chances to advance if we limped to the finish line. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
Agreed, and I think that 10-8 or better is far more likely. The Anonymous Eagle podcast was accurate today I feel when they said we are trending toward a 5-seed if we go 10-8. That might be a line too high, but I think 10-8 would get us a 5/6 seed and anything better would have us with a protected seed. Honestly, that's just how good the Big East is right now.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 02, 2020, 10:55:15 PM
I didn't mean I didn't think we would get in at 18-13. I meant I wouldn't like our chances to advance if we limped to the finish line. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
Sorry. I wasn't trying to sound criticizing. I think we win Atleast 3 more minimum.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 02, 2020, 10:00:49 PM
Good for you.
I wouldn't bet $10K but I'd gladly throw $1K on it. We'll win at least three, though.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 02, 2020, 10:38:32 PM
I don't have that kind of disposable income and I have never made a bet where I wouldn't have been just as comfortable throwing the money on a bonfire.
I agree that we will end up with more than 18 wins. However I guarantee that if we only end up with 18 wins, we will, unquestionably, be invited to the NCAA Tournament. Teams with far worse resumes will get in this year.
Do you read what you post? LOL!
So 16 win teams are getting in? "far worse" could be 15 or 14 win teams? Maybe a 10 win at large team this year?
Thanks for the laugh.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 03, 2020, 04:17:36 AM
Do you read what you post? LOL!
So 16 win teams are getting in? "far worse" could be 15 or 14 win teams? Maybe a 10 win at large team this year?
Thanks for the laugh. You're an idiot.
I think, in this case, there's an understood difference between resume and # of wins.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 03, 2020, 08:24:25 AM
I think, in this case, there's an understood difference between resume and # of wins.
I'm not sure he understands that at all.
In 2001, Georgia made the NCAA tournament with a 16-14 record. They were an 8 seed.
IIRC, Georgia had the #1 SOS that year. The selection process is very nuanced.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 03, 2020, 08:24:25 AM
I think, in this case, there's an understood difference between resume and # of wins.
Sorry, I thought I read the title and discussion of this thread to be "number of wins". My bad.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 03, 2020, 04:17:36 AM
You're an idiot.
Unnecessary.
Name-calling is the kind of thing an interwebs poster resorts to when he has completely lost a debate.
It also is theoretically against Scoop rules.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 03, 2020, 04:17:36 AM
Do you read what you post? LOL!
So 16 win teams are getting in? "far worse" could be 15 or 14 win teams? Maybe a 10 win at large team this year?
Thanks for the laugh. You're an idiot.
I do read what I post. I also know what the definition of a resume is, and it's not just rote win totals. I understand that Liberty could go 26-3 and would unquestionably be MILES behind an 18-12 Marquette team.
You may want to revisit your definition of idiot to see how it applies to your own misunderstanding of the NCAA selection process.
Quote from: MU82 on February 03, 2020, 09:53:50 AM
Unnecessary.
Name-calling is the kind of thing an interwebs poster resorts to when he has completely lost a debate.
It also is theoretically against Scoop rules.
You are right. That was not necessary. I was the idiot for making that comment. I apologize to everyone and brewcity77.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 03, 2020, 12:07:00 PM
You are right. That was not necessary. I was the idiot for making that comment. I apologize to everyone and brewcity77.
No harm. I also apologize for the tone I took.
But seriously, check out the comparative resumes. Even if St John's doesn't get back to top-75, more than half the non-Big East bubble teams can't beat the Q1/2 win total 18 win MU would have even if those teams run the table. And all 10 of those are already worse off than MU could possibly be in the loss column. It's virtually impossible for them to pass an 18-12 MU team.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59928.0
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 03, 2020, 12:19:15 PM
No harm. I also apologize for the tone I took.
But seriously, check out the comparative resumes. Even if St John's doesn't get back to top-75, more than half the non-Big East bubble teams can't beat the Q1/2 win total 18 win MU would have even if those teams run the table. And all 10 of those are already worse off than MU could possibly be in the loss column. It's virtually impossible for them to pass an 18-12 MU team.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59928.0
Thank you for being more civil than I was. I see where you are coming from and you may be right. Let's hope we don't have to test your theory because this board will be in full melt down if we end the season like we did last year. I really don't see this becoming an issue, Wojo and the team are too good to fall apart. I see us as a 20+ win team and easily in the tourney.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 03, 2020, 01:26:03 PM
Thank you for being more civil than I was. I see where you are coming from and you may be right. Let's hope we don't have to test your theory because this board will be in full melt down if we end the season like we did last year. I really don't see this becoming an issue, Wojo and the team are too good to fall apart. I see us as a 20+ win team and easily in the tourney.
Agreed completely. And I'm starting to think anything in the "+" part of that equation should have us on the 4-line or better. The resume is shaping up a lot better than it looked after the 1-3 Big East start.