1. Koby wanted to be the man. He has been the man before elsewhere. He was clutch against Butler, but it got lost because of the loss. Clutch tonight.
2. It took a while for Sacar to realize it was up to him. But he finally embraced it in overtime.
3. Xavier going to a big line up, searching for mismatches, and crashing the boards. They sought contact all night.
4. I sincerely hope there is no argument as to whether Markus got hit in the face this time.
5. Throwing the ball to Theo in the post was not a good offensive play tonight. Should Jayce have played more?
6. Greg, you are missed. And needed. To give the guys a breather if nothing else.
7. Cain and Bailey playing together plenty, but neither one a factor tonight.
8. Symir getting run, didn't hurt himself, other than one shot, didn't really make much happen. I think he was supposed to foul up 3 at the end of regulation. Wojo won't throw him under the bus.
9. Goodin went full Jean Felix. Insane. 2-28 from 3 coming into tonight.
10. I sense another calm, reasoned discussion about fouling up 3. Tried to at the end of second OT and it wasn't called.
11. Ball don't lie on that flagrant call on Anim.
12. MU played solid defense all night. X lived on the offensive boards.
13. Free throws matta'd. Symir, Jamal, awesome.
14. Apparently, this team has heart. And the question has now been answered as to who else will step up.
15. If anybody says "It was only Xavier", they are a complete moron. Grab the conference road win and run like hell.
Great W. Still salty about the blatant elbow to Markus's face. Announcers were thrilled to state that calls were "shaky" against X but that no-call vs Markus was big. Clocked him clean in the face.
Theo played a great defensive game without a lot of fouling. Weak hands at time, but he was tough down low defensively
Wow what a finish
Team played well together after Markus was hurt.
Great interview with Sacar after the game.
I'll give it to Koby. Don't pull that out without him. Sacar obviously as well.
Im on Koby all the time when hes awful, but he deserves praise there.
Wojo still needs to know when hes got it and when he doesnt.
Need Markus back ASAP.
Love Markus and this team...but damn these guys would have been pretty good with the Hauser brothers lol
Quote from: GoldenZebra on January 29, 2020, 10:27:20 PM
Great W. Still salty about the blatant elbow to Markus's face. Announcers were thrilled to state that calls were "shaky" against X but that no-call vs Markus was big. Clocked him clean in the face.
How can Sacar's foul be a flagrant and not the one on Markus? Neither were intentional. Markus' was clearly more forceful
Koby went full Kobe. Incredible.
Quote from: tower912 on January 29, 2020, 10:25:56 PM
4. I sincerely hope there is no argument as to whether Markus got hit in the face got hit in the face this time.
Well there shouldn't be an argument in either since he wasn't hit in the butler game.
Refs are refs, almost every game complaints. Each team had some bad ones.
X was 11 for 25 at free throw line. Ballgame.
Good win for players, the looks on their faces at end of regulation was one of despair.
Quote from: tower912 on January 29, 2020, 10:25:56 PM
1. Koby wanted to be the man. He has been the man before elsewhere. He was clutch against Butler, but it got lost because of the loss. Clutch tonight.
2. It took a while for Sacar to realize it was up to him. But he finally embraced it in overtime.
3. Xavier going to a big line up, searching for mismatches, and crashing the boards. They sought contact all night.
4. I sincerely hope there is no argument as to whether Markus got hit in the face this time.
5. Throwing the ball to Theo in the post was not a good offensive play tonight. Should Jayce have played more?
6. Greg, you are missed. And needed. To give the guys a breather if nothing else.
7. Cain and Bailey playing together plenty, but neither one a factor tonight.
8. Symir getting run, didn't hurt himself, other than one shot, didn't really make much happen. I think he was supposed to foul up 3 at the end of regulation. Wojo won't throw him under the bus.
9. Goodin went full Jean Felix. Insane. 2-28 from 3 coming into tonight.
10. I sense another calm, reasoned discussion about fouling up 3. Tried to at the end of second OT and it wasn't called.
11. Ball don't lie on that flagrant call on Anim.
12. MU played solid defense all night. X lived on the offensive boards.
13. Free throws matta'd. Symir, Jamal, awesome.
14. Apparently, this team has heart. And the question has now been answered as to who else will step up.
15. If anybody says "It was only Xavier", they are a complete moron. Grab the conference road win and run like hell.
Why is symir playing off ball? Before Bailey went out
That technical on Sacar was so bad.
What a grind it out win.
Gutty win. That one was a roller coaster ride. Hope Markus is OK.
Quote from: tower912 on January 29, 2020, 10:25:56 PM
1. Koby wanted to be the man. He has been the man before elsewhere. He was clutch against Butler, but it got lost because of the loss. Clutch tonight.
2. It took a while for Sacar to realize it was up to him. But he finally embraced it in overtime.
3. Xavier going to a big line up, searching for mismatches, and crashing the boards. They sought contact all night.
4. I sincerely hope there is no argument as to whether Markus got hit in the face this time.
5. Throwing the ball to Theo in the post was not a good offensive play tonight. Should Jayce have played more?
6. Greg, you are missed. And needed. To give the guys a breather if nothing else.
7. Cain and Bailey playing together plenty, but neither one a factor tonight.
8. Symir getting run, didn't hurt himself, other than one shot, didn't really make much happen. I think he was supposed to foul up 3 at the end of regulation. Wojo won't throw him under the bus.
9. Goodin went full Jean Felix. Insane. 2-28 from 3 coming into tonight.
10. I sense another calm, reasoned discussion about fouling up 3. Tried to at the end of second OT and it wasn't called.
11. Ball don't lie on that flagrant call on Anim.
12. MU played solid defense all night. X lived on the offensive boards.
13. Free throws matta'd. Symir, Jamal, awesome.
14. Apparently, this team has heart. And the question has now been answered as to who else will step up.
15. If anybody says "It was only Xavier", they are a complete moron. Grab the conference road win and run like hell.
Can we hypnotize Koby that the entire game is the last 2 min?
Quote from: MUEng92 on January 29, 2020, 10:29:41 PM
How can Sacar's foul be a flagrant and not the one on Markus? Neither were intentional. Markus' was clearly more forceful
I'm guessing it's because Sacar reached in a little which led to the contact. On Markus' shot to the face, the X guy was basically stationary and in position for the rebound. I think they should both be no calls, and the fact that Sacars was called a flagrant was awful, though.
Quote from: #UnleashJayce on January 29, 2020, 10:32:44 PM
Well there shouldn't be an argument in either since he wasn't hit in the butler game.
I will pick that hill to die on.
My wife has determined Kobe is amazing as last minute Kobe.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 29, 2020, 10:35:19 PM
I'm guessing it's because Sacar reached in a little which led to the contact. On Markus' shot to the face, the X guy was basically stationary and in position for the rebound. I think they should both be no calls, and the fact that Sacars was called a flagrant was awful, though.
Looked like the ball made as much contact with scruggs' face. Got to see a great show dousing his terribly injured eye with water.
Not the most memorable play, but heck of a job by Koby to stick with that cutter at the end of the game. Not sure if he would have had time to catch that pass and lay it in, but it would have been really easy to watch ball or lunge assuming the ballhandler was going to shoot.
Quote from: tower912 on January 29, 2020, 10:25:56 PM
1. Koby wanted to be the man. He has been the man before elsewhere. He was clutch against Butler, but it got lost because of the loss. Clutch tonight.
2. It took a while for Sacar to realize it was up to him. But he finally embraced it in overtime.
3. Xavier going to a big line up, searching for mismatches, and crashing the boards. They sought contact all night.
4. I sincerely hope there is no argument as to whether Markus got hit in the face this time.
5. Throwing the ball to Theo in the post was not a good offensive play tonight. Should Jayce have played more?
6. Greg, you are missed. And needed. To give the guys a breather if nothing else.
7. Cain and Bailey playing together plenty, but neither one a factor tonight.
8. Symir getting run, didn't hurt himself, other than one shot, didn't really make much happen. I think he was supposed to foul up 3 at the end of regulation. Wojo won't throw him under the bus.
9. Goodin went full Jean Felix. Insane. 2-28 from 3 coming into tonight.
10. I sense another calm, reasoned discussion about fouling up 3. Tried to at the end of second OT and it wasn't called.
11. Ball don't lie on that flagrant call on Anim.
12. MU played solid defense all night. X lived on the offensive boards.
13. Free throws matta'd. Symir, Jamal, awesome.
14. Apparently, this team has heart. And the question has now been answered as to who else will step up.
15. If anybody says "It was only Xavier", they are a complete moron. Grab the conference road win and run like hell.
Haha I won't know for sure unless I watch it on DVR vs. youtube
Anne Zizzo loves conference road wins, because...THEY. ARE. GOLD.
Short bench, no All American, tough venue. Take it and run. Great win.
Great win by the team. I hope Markus is ok. Hard hit to the face.
In my humble opinion, team plays best when all five players are active on offense.
Quote from: tower912 on January 29, 2020, 10:25:56 PM
1. Koby wanted to be the man. He has been the man before elsewhere. He was clutch against Butler, but it got lost because of the loss. Clutch tonight.
2. It took a while for Sacar to realize it was up to him. But he finally embraced it in overtime.
3. Xavier going to a big line up, searching for mismatches, and crashing the boards. They sought contact all night.
4. I sincerely hope there is no argument as to whether Markus got hit in the face this time.
5. Throwing the ball to Theo in the post was not a good offensive play tonight. Should Jayce have played more?
6. Greg, you are missed. And needed. To give the guys a breather if nothing else.
7. Cain and Bailey playing together plenty, but neither one a factor tonight.
8. Symir getting run, didn't hurt himself, other than one shot, didn't really make much happen. I think he was supposed to foul up 3 at the end of regulation. Wojo won't throw him under the bus.
9. Goodin went full Jean Felix. Insane. 2-28 from 3 coming into tonight.
10. I sense another calm, reasoned discussion about fouling up 3. Tried to at the end of second OT and it wasn't called.
11. Ball don't lie on that flagrant call on Anim.
12. MU played solid defense all night. X lived on the offensive boards.
13. Free throws matta'd. Symir, Jamal, awesome.
14. Apparently, this team has heart. And the question has now been answered as to who else will step up.
15. If anybody says "It was only Xavier", they are a complete moron. Grab the conference road win and run like hell.
Cain was a factor - grabbed some huge rebounds (led team with 8) and had the two big free throws in OT.
Jamal with 9 rebounds and 2 clutch FT's at the end after not even putting up a shot all game.
Quote from: tower912 on January 29, 2020, 10:35:38 PM
I will pick that hill to die on.
Have you seen my post on it?
Elbow to Markus completely random.
Call on Sacar, bad.
To say that Jamal was no factor is to ignore 9 bounds.
I'm sick of hearing (from the statmasters ) that FT's no matta. 25-11 in double OT???
Symir didn't get burned too badly on D but had a Horrible TO. But he'll bge a good one.
After about 18 minutes of ugly in the second half, it was awesome to see our older guys step up in the final 12 minutes of the game. If we can get the same kind of spark out of Koby and Sacar that we saw tonight when Markus is on the floor too... man, that would be a big time offense.
Can't even imagine the X board, no Markus for almost 20 min and you still lose. Calls for Steeles jead have to be getting loud.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 29, 2020, 10:48:16 PM
After about 18 minutes of ugly in the second half, it was awesome to see our older guys step up in the final 12 minutes of the game. If we can get the same kind of spark out of Koby and Sacar that we saw tonight when Markus is on the floor too... man, that would be a big time offense.
Amen!
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 29, 2020, 10:49:31 PM
Can't even imagine the X board, no Markus for almost 20 min and you still lose. Calls for Steeles jead have to be getting loud.
More than 20 min
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 29, 2020, 10:49:31 PM
Can't even imagine the X board, no Markus for almost 20 min and you still lose. Calls for Steeles jead have to be getting loud.
Their "Fire Travis" thread is 54 pages long
MU lost three of the four factors...the three who normally matter most. Guess which one they won?
Great win. DePaul is a huge game Saturday. Then 8 days off before playing Butler at home again on a Sunday. Time to get some big crowds at the Fiserv and get on a roll.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 29, 2020, 11:01:18 PM
Great win. DePaul is a huge game Saturday. Then 8 days off before playing Butler at home again on a Sunday. Time to get some big crowds at the Fiserv and get on a roll.
Really hoping Markus isn't out for Saturday. We need to make sure we don't drop any "easy" games at home from here on out. Even if Greg is back, he's probably not going to be back to 100% just yet. I'd be more than a little nervous if we were down both guys.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 29, 2020, 10:35:19 PM
I'm guessing it's because Sacar reached in a little which led to the contact. On Markus' shot to the face, the X guy was basically stationary and in position for the rebound. I think they should both be no calls, and the fact that Sacars was called a flagrant was awful, though.
This is correct.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 29, 2020, 10:58:32 PM
MU lost three of the four factors...the three who normally matter most. Guess which one they won?
FTs MATTA!
So proud of this team. This felt like an old school Big East battle and they took it on the chin and fought back. Sacar and Koby reached down and made it happen when they needed too. Jamal and Brendan made HUGE boards when we needed them the most. Toughness was on display, even when the calls were there.
Great win tonight. May count the same as any, but the heart was on display. Hope Markus is healthy and ready to rock on Saturday so we can try and add to this burgeoning win streak.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 29, 2020, 10:35:19 PM
I'm guessing it's because Sacar reached in a little which led to the contact. On Markus' shot to the face, the X guy was basically stationary and in position for the rebound. I think they should both be no calls, and the fact that Sacars was called a flagrant was awful, though.
I mostly agree; I would have had no problem with a common foul on Sacar. He did reach in, and he did hit Scruggs in the face. Definitely should have been no foul on the Markus play IMHO -- basically, Markus went flying in there and fouled the guys elbow with his face.
Absolutely no way that should have been a flagrant on Sacar. A brutally bad call that could have decided the game. Thankfully, X believes ftsnomatta!
Quote from: tower912 on January 29, 2020, 10:35:38 PM
I will pick that hill to die on.
The elbow Markus took to the face in this game wasn't a foul.
The elbow he took in the Butler game was and should have been reviewed for a flagrant 1 or 2.
Quote from: MU82 on January 29, 2020, 11:29:34 PM
I mostly agree; I would have had no problem with a common foul on Sacar. He did reach in, and he did hit Scruggs in the face. Definitely should have been no foul on the Markus play IMHO -- basically, Markus went flying in there and fouled the guys elbow with his face.
Absolutely no way that should have been a flagrant on Sacar. A brutally bad call that could have decided the game. Thankfully, X believes ftsnomatta!
Agreed. If that was a flagrant so was the elbow to Markus: meaning both were incidental at best and innocuous. Normal foul for Sacar though. Either way...didnt matter. Just happy for the win
Quote from: MUBurrow on January 29, 2020, 10:37:07 PM
Not the most memorable play, but heck of a job by Koby to stick with that cutter at the end of the game. Not sure if he would have had time to catch that pass and lay it in, but it would have been really easy to watch ball or lunge assuming the ballhandler was going to shoot.
Good call, MUB.
The cutter definitely had time to catch and put a shot up there. Great awareness by Koby to not just let him go. Koby is a smart defender, and a tough rebounder for a guard.
Don't forget Koby playing the entire second OT with 4 fouls, and we have no one on the bench to sub for him.
Quote from: The Lens on January 29, 2020, 10:39:55 PM
Anne Zizzo loves conference road wins, because...THEY. ARE. GOLD.
Beautiful
ESPN just showed the highlights. SVP repeatedly referred to Koby as a "sharpshooter," a "great shooter," etc. Also called Goodin "Goodwin."
https://twitter.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1222754481147912192?s=19
How Sacar got called for a flagrant 1 and Carter didn't will always be a mystery to me. At very least it should have been a common foul which would have erased a three at the other end.
Part of the game plan was to leave Goodin open and dare him to shoot. It's the right call, but sometimes that means a guy goes off.
Theo needs to teach Symir what a foul in the Big East looks like.
When I golf, my best rounds are the ones where I'm barely thinking about it and just swinging the club. My worst are when I start thinking about what I need to do to make a shot. Koby plays basketball like I golf. Needs to play without thinking. Its usually a bad idea but I think it works for him.
There were 6 "toss up" games left on the schedule. I thought we needed to go 3-3 in those games. Now I think we need to go 2-3.
Get well soon Markus.
Zero update on markus? Bizzare
Quote from: Johnny B on January 30, 2020, 03:16:50 AM
Zero update on markus? Bizzare
https://twitter.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1222749193539850242
Not much, but it sounds like no concussion
Quote from: TAMU Garcia on January 30, 2020, 03:36:51 AM
https://twitter.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1222749193539850242
Not much, but it sounds like no concussion
Ty night owl
Anim had a great game. He will be missed next year, as will Markus. Cain with 9 rebounds. Wonder where the scoring will come from next year.
That question gets asked every year when the seniors are big scorers. And every year, the points appear. It is the circle of life. MU will score next year.
Quote from: TAMU Garcia on January 30, 2020, 03:02:29 AM
How Sacar got called for a flagrant 1 and Carter didn't will always be a mystery to me. At very least it should have been a common foul which would have erased a three at the other end.
What's the rule on stopping play for an injury? Does it never stop unless the action comes to that end of the court?
Stealing a win sometimes is the best kind of win. Ugly on both sides, but the boys hung tough and got it down. Well earned win and it should be enjoyed.
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 29, 2020, 10:42:45 PM
Great win by the team. I hope Markus is ok. Hard hit to the face.
In my humble opinion, team place best when all five players are active on offense.
If this is a reference to Markus being out and playing better without him, the offense down the stretch in reg and the 1st OT was hardly all 5 active on O. Koby was as ball dominant if not even moreso than Markus during that stretch. He wasn't even giving it up temporarily and then trying to get it back. He put the team on his back and that stretch was incredible, but it was one on 5 to an extreme. It was as if we couldn't get anything going offensively for so long we didn't even try to run any offense. Koby just got unconscious at the right time.
Second OT was better when he found Sacar and he came through. A little more consistency out of Bailey sure would help.
Unbelievably gritty win. X is hard to figure out. Veteran team with guys who have succeeded in the past, they played extremely hard (as did MU) and they just aren't getting it done.
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 29, 2020, 11:57:29 PM
https://twitter.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1222754481147912192?s=19
I wonder if they told the refs the plan. I think it was Cooley I saw recently in that situation instructing the refs that their player was going to anticipate a foul and shoot. Refs didn't give it to them anyway. I understand you don't want to get called for an intentional foul, but a hard reach in by Symir there shouldn't draw an intentional call. X executed a version of the Nova championship winning okay, but should not have had the opportunity. Oh well, we pulled it out somehow. What a game.
Quote from: StillWarriors on January 30, 2020, 06:55:51 AM
If this is a reference to Markus being out and playing better without him, the offense down the stretch in reg and the 1st OT was hardly all 5 active on O. Koby was as ball dominant if not even moreso than Markus during that stretch. He wasn't even giving it up temporarily and then trying to get it back. He put the team on his back and that stretch was incredible, but it was one on 5 to an extreme. It was as if we couldn't get anything going offensively for so long we didn't even try to run any offense. Koby just got unconscious at the right time.
Second OT was better when he found Sacar and he came through. A little more consistency out of Bailey sure would help.
Unbelievably gritty win. X is hard to figure out. Veteran team with guys who have succeeded in the past, they played extremely hard (as did MU) and they just aren't getting it done.
Absolutely. The offense ground to a standstill for an extended period. Even worse when Brendan fouled out. Lots of hero ball. Koby can do it. Sacar less so. They finally ran a play with Koby driving and Sacar in the corner.
This game was won because of defense. MU played their butts off on defense and finally found enough offense to get back in it.
Quote from: StillWarriors on January 30, 2020, 07:05:32 AM
I wonder if they told the refs the plan. I think it was Cooley I saw recently in that situation instructing the refs that their player was going to anticipate a foul and shoot. Refs didn't give it to them anyway. I understand you don't want to get called for an intentional foul, but a hard reach in by Symir there shouldn't draw an intentional call. X executed a version of the Nova championship winning okay, but should not have had the opportunity. Oh well, we pulled it out somehow. What a game.
Wojo said in the post game that they told the ref they were going to foul.
Are Sacar's 28 points a career high for him?
Nice win, very cool to see Anim and Koby step up. Those two circus shots Koby hit on the and-1s were great. Like Jerel says in the "Pray" video, Xavier probably knew then that "today was not their day."
And who the hell was that Carter guy for Xavier? Made Jayce Johnson look like Dirk.
We had 6 assists the last 46:28. Unreal that we won with that. Great team win, but the offense is not good at all.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 30, 2020, 06:29:15 AM
What's the rule on stopping play for an injury? Does it never stop unless the action comes to that end of the court?
I'm wondering the same thing. When Howard was down on the floor, clearly hurt, we played 4v5 for the entire possession.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 30, 2020, 06:29:15 AM
What's the rule on stopping play for an injury? Does it never stop unless the action comes to that end of the court?
The way I have traditionally seen it is that play stops if the player is hurt on the end of the court where the action is taking place. Otherwise play continues until the injured player's team controls the ball.
Quote from: TAMU Garcia on January 30, 2020, 03:02:29 AM
How Sacar got called for a flagrant 1 and Carter didn't will always be a mystery to me. At very least it should have been a common foul which would have erased a three at the other end.
Truth...I also loved that Jones was playing the victim on the floor, being McNutPuncher floppy on the floor, and all that was wrong was his contact...and Steele, who also did this earlier on a free throw shooter, subbed in Carter to shoot the free throws. Carter was 80 odd percent FT shooter and Jones in the 50's...and Carter bricked them only to have Jones soon return.
#justiceformarkus
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 30, 2020, 08:11:16 AM
The way I have traditionally seen it is that play stops if the player is hurt on the end of the court where the action is taking place. Otherwise play continues until the injured player's team controls the ball.
Yes. The refs handled this correctly.
And they couldn't give the X player a common foul after replay. I would have had to have been a flagrant - and it wasn't flagrant.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 30, 2020, 06:22:27 AM
Anim had a great game. He will be missed next year, as will Markus. Cain with 9 rebounds. Wonder where the scoring will come from next year.
Ball movement mostly. Koby, Bailey, Garcia, Mane, Elliott, Cain with Symir dealing.
Quote from: tower912 on January 30, 2020, 06:27:37 AM
That question gets asked every year when the seniors are big scorers. And every year, the points appear. It is the circle of life. MU will score next year.
Typically accurate, but we aren't talking about your run of the mill scorer in Markus. I'd be very surprised if MU will score next yr at a clip anywhere close to its 78ppg this year (good for top 30 in the land).
My best guess is that MU scores substantially less next year. I would imagine that Koby and Brendan will lead the way and average double figures, albeit with much less efficiency especially for Koby who I can see becoming frustrating to watch at times. I think Dawson will help quite a bit in the scoring and finish in the top 3.
Overall I would expect Marquette to shift to a much more defensive minded team and win a lot of games in the 60s and even 50s. Offensive rankings will suffer and hopefully the defense improves to near where the offense currently sits.
Either way we will hopefully all be here to enjoy it! For now, I'm really enjoying this ride
I think Brendan, Koby, and Garcia all average 15 ppg next year. Symir will hit some shots, Greg and Jamal will hit some shots. If Mane' comes, the offense will be even better. My concern right now for next year is defense. The three new forwards are going to have to figure out how to be physical enough for the Big East. They theoretically know it will be a grinder, but there is no way they are currently ready to stand up to what Xavier did last night. I watch Symir play defense versus how everybody else on the team plays defense and I see next year. But... kick that can down the road and worry about it after this season is over.
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 30, 2020, 08:11:16 AM
The way I have traditionally seen it is that play stops if the player is hurt on the end of the court where the action is taking place. Otherwise play continues until the injured player's team controls the ball.
If I were reffing that game, that's exactly how I would have handled it. In a youth game (middle school or lower), the ref would have stopped it immediately, and I'd have had no problem with that.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 30, 2020, 08:59:09 AM
Truth...I also loved that Jones was playing the victim on the floor, being McNutPuncher floppy on the floor, and all that was wrong was his contact...and Steele, who also did this earlier on a free throw shooter, subbed in Carter to shoot the free throws. Carter was 80 odd percent FT shooter and Jones in the 50's...and Carter bricked them only to have Jones soon return.
#justiceformarkus
The announcers said in the first instance, Steele had to sub for the FT shooter because the trainer came out onto the floor. Wojo got to choose the shooter then. After a flagrant, the opposing coach does not get to choose the shooter. It was justice that Carter launched a couple of scuds, but injustice that X ended up hitting a 3 on the ensuing possession. It was a bad call.
Quote from: tower912 on January 30, 2020, 09:55:06 AM
I think Brendan, Koby, and Garcia all average 15 ppg next year. Symir will hit some shots, Greg and Jamal will hit some shots. If Mane' comes, the offense will be even better. My concern right now for next year is defense. The three new forwards are going to have to figure out how to be physical enough for the Big East. They theoretically know it will be a grinder, but there is no way they are currently ready to stand up to what Xavier did last night. I watch Symir play defense versus how everybody else on the team plays defense and I see next year. But... kick that can down the road and worry about it after this season is over.
This.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 30, 2020, 09:36:06 AM
Either way we will hopefully all be here to enjoy it!
Well, I certainly plan to be. And I hope all other Scoopers also are on this side of the ground a year from now ... though no matter how good we are, there will be a couple dozen at least who simply refuse to enjoy it.
Quote from: MUDPT on January 30, 2020, 07:26:33 AM
Wojo said in the post game that they told the ref they were going to foul.
Got it. Thanks. Can't do much more than that. Symir's just got to make the play. It is kind of strange they didn't call it. He did reach and make contact, which is called a frustrating amount in normal game situations where the call seems pointless and doesn't impact anything. The refs should call it there where they have a heads up that it's coming.
Quote from: StillWarriors on January 30, 2020, 10:39:36 AM
Got it. Thanks. Can't do much more than that. Symir's just got to make the play. It is kind of strange they didn't call it. He did reach and make contact, which is called a frustrating amount in normal game situations where the call seems pointless and doesn't impact anything. The refs should call it there where they have a heads up that it's coming.
Yep.
I tell the ref, "We are going to foul. Please don't make us maul them." Usually, they call anything a foul then. It means I can't complain if a foul is called when we appear to have gotten a tie-up, but I'd rather that than get called for an intentional because we really have to shove somebody just to get the foul.
Quote from: tower912 on January 30, 2020, 09:55:06 AM
I think Brendan, Koby, and Garcia all average 15 ppg next year. Symir will hit some shots, Greg and Jamal will hit some shots. If Mane' comes, the offense will be even better. My concern right now for next year is defense. The three new forwards are going to have to figure out how to be physical enough for the Big East. They theoretically know it will be a grinder, but there is no way they are currently ready to stand up to what Xavier did last night. I watch Symir play defense versus how everybody else on the team plays defense and I see next year. But... kick that can down the road and worry about it after this season is over.
Koby is to inconsistent to average 15, maybe 10. Brendan is way to inconsistent to average 15, maybe 10 and Garcia is really a wild card. They might have a few players
averaging 10-13 points a game. Mane is really important to come in as he can get his own shot. Bailey really is not a one on one player and Koby other than a few games had trouble scoring, not quick enough. Next year it might be by committee. Offense will have to change next year but not sure Wojo knows how to do that. It is one thing having the top scorer in the nation, you can have a center that can not score, next year they will need somebody in that position to give them more than 4-6 points a game.
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 30, 2020, 10:50:02 AM
Koby is to inconsistent to average 15, maybe 10. Brendan is way to inconsistent to average 15, maybe 10 and Garcia is really a wild card. They might have a few players
averaging 10-13 points a game. Mane is really important to come in as he can get his own shot. Bailey really is not a one on one player and Koby other than a few games had trouble scoring, not quick enough. Next year it might be by committee. Offense will have to change next year but not sure Wojo knows how to do that. It is one thing having the top scorer in the nation, you can have a center that can not score, next year they will need somebody in that position to give them more than 4-6 points a game.
Sacar was too inconsistent to score 14 ppg...until he wasn't.
Kids improve sometimes, and other times kids just need an opportunity.
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 30, 2020, 10:50:02 AM
Koby is to inconsistent to average 15, maybe 10. Brendan is way to inconsistent to average 15, maybe 10 and Garcia is really a wild card. They might have a few players
averaging 10-13 points a game. Mane is really important to come in as he can get his own shot. Bailey really is not a one on one player and Koby other than a few games had trouble scoring, not quick enough. Next year it might be by committee. Offense will have to change next year but not sure Wojo knows how to do that. It is one thing having the top scorer in the nation, you can have a center that can not score, next year they will need somebody in that position to give them more than 4-6 points a game.
Everyone is a year older and better next year. No trying to figure out when to defer and when to shoot. New leaders. Offense will be just fine. Freshmen on defense will be the issue.
Are we really worrying about games 10 months away less than 24 hours after a double OT road win?
I'm not. Responding to those who are.
Quote from: nyg on January 29, 2020, 10:33:08 PM
Refs are refs, almost every game complaints. Each team had some bad ones.
X was 11 for 25 at free throw line. Ballgame.
Good win for players, the looks on their faces at end of regulation was one of despair.
clearly I don't what i'm doing or how to post but I wanted to agree totally with NYG
post and semi-analysis. particularly the 11 for 25 comment.
Had to look it up but Goodin's performance was yet another outlier against MU.
In our 4 games against him at Xavier, he is 9/13 from 3.
Take out those games and he is 86/314 for only 27%. It was annoying how he kept hitting those threes.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 30, 2020, 02:46:21 PM
Had to look it up but Goodin's performance was yet another outlier against MU.
In our 4 games against him at Xavier, he is 9/13 from 3.
Take out those games and he is 86/314 for only 27%. It was annoying how he kept hitting those threes.
There's a reason for it. Wojo's defense purposefully leave poor shooters open to help protect the paint. Sometimes that means bad shooters have good shooting games.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on January 30, 2020, 07:58:43 AMAnd who the hell was that Carter guy for Xavier? Made Jayce Johnson look like Dirk.
He came into the night shooting 82.9% from the free throw line, then went 0/4 against us. When he bricked those two on the technical, my wife asked "why on earth is he shooting free throws?" only to be more baffled when I cited his near 83% accuracy from the stripe.
Quote from: TAMU Garcia on January 30, 2020, 04:55:57 PM
There's a reason for it. Wojo's defense purposefully leave poor shooters open to help protect the paint. Sometimes that means bad shooters have good shooting games.
Great Coaching There.....
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on January 30, 2020, 07:48:02 PM
Great Coaching There.....
How'd that work at home?
I think you need a new prescription.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 30, 2020, 07:22:35 PM
He came into the night shooting 82.9% from the free throw line, then went 0/4 against us. When he bricked those two on the technical, my wife asked "why on earth is he shooting free throws?" only to be more baffled when I cited his near 83% accuracy from the stripe.
I love when you give numbers! 8-)
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 30, 2020, 07:22:35 PM
He came into the night shooting 82.9% from the free throw line, then went 0/4 against us. When he bricked those two on the technical, my wife asked "why on earth is he shooting free throws?" only to be more baffled when I cited his near 83% accuracy from the stripe.
Sometimes statistics don't quite tell the whole story. My immediate thought when I saw that guy go up to the line was "who the fook is dis guy?!?"
I had a feeling there is no way that guy has shot a lot of free throws when they mentioned 83% from the line. Throw in the pressure of the situation and I think it was a very bad couching decision by Steele.
I looked it up and he shot 7ft in 7 BE games before last night, going 5/7. He shot 68%, 83%, 72% last three years all on very low volume. Those freebies were real baaaad
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on January 30, 2020, 07:48:02 PM
Great Coaching There.....
Two weeks earlier at Fiserv, he was 0-for-8 overall, 0-for-3 from 3, and we won by 300 points.
That idiot McDermott left him open and he went 0-for-6 from 3.
That moron Anderson left him open and he went 0-for-6 from 3.
That dope Wright left him open and he missed his only 3.
That lamebrain Jamie Dixon left him open and he went 0-for-2 from 3.
That loser Willard left him open and he went 0-for-2 from 3.
He had missed his previous 20 attempts from 3 and then had to sit out 2 weeks with a knee injury, but the smart strategy would have been to crowd him out at the 3-point line.
Have you ever watched a basketball game?
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on January 30, 2020, 07:48:02 PM
Great Coaching There.....
It is a tried and true strategy used by many coaches. I believe you were screaming for a double team on Baldwin in the butler game. I hope you realize that if Wojo had done that, that means a shooter would have been left open.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 30, 2020, 09:27:15 PM
Sometimes statistics don't quite tell the whole story. My immediate thought when I saw that guy go up to the line was "who the fook is dis guy?!?"
I had a feeling there is no way that guy has shot a lot of free throws when they mentioned 83% from the line. Throw in the pressure of the situation and I think it was a very bad couching decision by Steele.
I looked it up and he shot 7ft in 7 BE games before last night, going 5/7. He shot 68%, 83%, 72% last three years all on very low volume. Those freebies were real baaaad
Carter is a starter who was shooting 10 percentage points higher than any other starter. Who else would you send? Marshall or Goodin who had multiple misses in the game? Sometimes the guy who's you expect to make free throws just doesn't make them. And no one else on Xavier is (or was that night) scorching the nets from the line in Big East play.
Quote from: TAMU Garcia on January 30, 2020, 11:52:37 PM
It is a tried and true strategy used by many coaches. I believe you were screaming for a double team on Baldwin in the butler game. I hope you realize that if Wojo had done that, that means a shooter would have been left open.
He knows. And he would have been screaming if the open shooter had hit a couple of 3s. No matter the outcome of the game, no matter the situation on the court, if it's Wojo it's bad. What a fun way to go through life.