This has been discussed in various topics, but I thought we could consolidate it here. If Wojo were to hightail it out of here after this season, where could he go? It would need to be a place that is likely to have an opening after this year, AND is strong enough of a job where he could save face and not make it look like too much of a demotion. So with 20 minutes on a laptop and a full pot of coffee, this is what I came up with.
Top Choices
Wake Forest: This is the perfect choice IMO. I think the Deacons are going to move on from Danny Manning after this year. He would go back to a private school in the ACC, and I think they would be happy to have him.
Georgia Tech: Another school that is likely to move on from their coach. A school in the ACC, but one that may have greater ambitions than Wojo.
Boston College: That is if they decide to part ways with Christian. Wojo has recruited the east well and the Jesuit background can't hurt right?
Worth Mentioning
NC State: Likley don't move on from Keats despite the negative trajectory. Checks a lot of boxes however.
Miami: Jim Larranaga might be forced out after this year. I can't see Wojo going there, but....
South Carolina: I can see Frank Martin jumping ship to take the Miami job, leaving this one open for Wojo.
Probably Not
Minnesota: They may move on from little Ricky, but highly doubtful they would look at Wojo.
Oklahoma State: Probably more interested in a guy who is from that part of the country.
Penn State: Chambers is saving his job there.
South Florida: Brian Gregory might be out after this year. AAC school with some profile.
Wojo would be smart to hit the road after this season. He would set his family for life with another 5-6 year stint at a high level D1 program. By leaving he buys himself time on another rebuild with no chance of getting fired. If he were my son, I would be giving him that advice.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 12, 2020, 07:25:52 AM
This has been discussed in various topics, but I thought we could consolidate it here. If Wojo were to hightail it out of here after this season, where could he go? It would need to be a place that is likely to have an opening after this year, AND is strong enough of a job where he could save face and not make it look like too much of a demotion. So with 20 minutes on a laptop and a full pot of coffee, this is what I came up with.
Top Choices
Wake Forest: This is the perfect choice IMO. I think the Deacons are going to move on from Danny Manning after this year. He would go back to a private school in the ACC, and I think they would be happy to have him.
Georgia Tech: Another school that is likely to move on from their coach. A school in the ACC, but one that may have greater ambitions than Wojo.
Boston College: That is if they decide to part ways with Christian. Wojo has recruited the east well and the Jesuit background can't hurt right?
Worth Mentioning
NC State: Likley don't move on from Keats despite the negative trajectory. Checks a lot of boxes however.
Miami: Jim Larranaga might be forced out after this year. I can't see Wojo going there, but....
South Carolina: I can see Frank Martin jumping ship to take the Miami job, leaving this one open for Wojo.
Probably Not
Minnesota: They may move on from little Ricky, but highly doubtful they would look at Wojo.
Oklahoma State: Probably more interested in a guy who is from that part of the country.
Penn State: Chambers is saving his job there.
South Florida: Brian Gregory might be out after this year. AAC school with some profile.
Give me a break. No AD is looking at turning to Wojo, much less from a power conference. Their fan bases would revolt at his incredibly thin resume.
I think you wasted 20 minutes as he's not going to leave after the season.
Gannon College needs a coach to drive the team van, hey?
Good list. All of the jobs in the "Worth Mentioning" category seem too big for Wojo. I could absolutely see Wake Forest or Boston College, though. Those gigs would buy him another 4-5 years at the high major level, at least.
If he leaves I'm guessing our recruits do as well, but if he goes to Wake or BC, there's probably about a 1% chance that they follow him. So at least we won't have to watch that unfold.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 12, 2020, 07:51:26 AM
I think you wasted 20 minutes as he's not going to leave after the season.
It's a lazy Sunday morning. Nothing really better to do.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 12, 2020, 07:51:26 AM
I think you wasted 20 minutes as he's not going to leave after the season.
I wouldn't be so sure, though it'll probably take at least one NCAA win to make it happen. Did you see him after the Seton Hall game? The guy was practically in the locker room before the final buzzer sounded. He might not be the brightest guy in the world, but he's been around the game a long time and has K as a mentor. I don't think this job is working out nearly as well as either of them thought it would.
Frankly, once da dude leaves MU, eye don't give know chit wear he lands orr watt he does, hey?
There are 15 conference games, a conference tournament, and a post season yet to be played this season.
Quote from: shoothoops on January 12, 2020, 08:00:21 AM
There are 15 conference games, a conference tournament, and a post season yet to be played this season.
So we can't have speculative discussions on a message board?
You can forget the post season part
Do you think he is too stubborn to listen to his bench? Some of his assistants have to recognize his flaws .
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 12, 2020, 08:05:14 AM
So we can't have speculative discussions on a message board?
And I just gave my two cents.
In the spirit of helping, Frank Martin pretty much begged, pleaded, campaigned, had media friends stomp for him for the Miami position while he was at K-St. (Where he desperately wanted to leave), and Miami still had no interest in hiring him last time around. He then wound up at South Carolina. (There has since been some decision maker changes at The U.)
Would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see Wojo make comments like this sometime after a game. I would gain so much more respect from him, because it's being honest rather than "we didn't execute the game plan well enough". These were some quotes from Roy Williams after yesterday's game vs Clemson...
"We've had some great moments as a coach, and right now I'd say this is my lowest one because losing this game was my fault," Williams said. "Told them if I die tomorrow or 20 years from now, that'll be the biggest regret I had in 32 years as a coach. Cause these kids really need a win. And their coach let them down today."
Williams didn't stop there, either.
"Gotta tell Bubba he should probably fire me, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea," Williams said, folding up a stat sheet to put in his jacket pocket. "The coach is supposed to help his kids. I didn't help them very much.''
Quote from: shoothoops on January 12, 2020, 08:00:21 AM
There are 15 conference games, a conference tournament, and a post season yet to be played this season.
Yeah, and the way things are looking now, that could further vaporize his thin resume.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 12, 2020, 07:34:00 AM
Give me a break. No AD is looking at turning to Wojo, much less from a power conference. Their fan bases would revolt at his incredibly thin resume.
This is correct.
I appreciate Fluffy BM's attempt at career planning to help our coach depart, but .. zero of those teams would hire a guy coming off a 7-11 BE season, which Bartovik now predicts.
Wojo's top bullet point on his resume is "If you want a clean program and get your program to complete for NIT bids, I AM YOUR GUY."
#sadtrombone
UMBC retrievers could be in the market for a new coach
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on January 12, 2020, 08:28:47 AM
Do you think he is too stubborn to listen to his bench? Some of his assistants have to recognize his flaws .
This team is struggling. It is not all coaching. The contributions coming from the bench have been pathetic. Might be the worst offensive bench production in the BE.
Hard to believe we have 3 bigs that struggle to make a basket.
I really can't imagine a high major being interested in Wojo
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 12, 2020, 09:22:44 AM
UMBC retrievers could be in the market for a new coach
I seriously think his next job will be at a program like UMBC. I sadly believe he will have to take a step down from the P6.
All those programs, with the exception of South Carolina, haven't even hit the levels we're not satisfied with here. If Wojo delivered a NCAA bid they'd be doing cartwheels.
I wouldn't rule anything out at this point.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 12, 2020, 09:34:59 AM
All those programs, with the exception of South Carolina, haven't even hit the levels we're not satisfied with here. If Wojo delivered a NCAA bid they'd be doing cartwheels.
I wouldn't rule anything out at this point.
NC State hasn't seen success like MU?
Monumentally dumb
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 12, 2020, 08:47:24 AM
This is correct.
I appreciate Fluffy BM's attempt at career planning to help our coach depart, but .. zero of those teams would hire a guy coming off a 7-11 BE season, which Bartovik now predicts.
Wojo's top bullet point on his resume is "If you want a clean program and get your program to complete for NIT bids, I AM YOUR GUY."
#sadtrombone
Mike Deane 2.0, albeit without the drinking and colorful personality.
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on January 12, 2020, 08:28:47 AM
Do you think he is too stubborn to listen to his bench? Some of his assistants have to recognize his flaws .
I think he listens to an extent, but then in the heat of the battle he becomes too emotionally reactive. I think he'd be a tough coach to play for if you aren't one of his few favorites. Would be interesting to get Travis Diener's thoughts off the record.
Quote from: muguru on January 12, 2020, 08:36:24 AM
Would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see Wojo make comments like this sometime after a game. I would gain so much more respect from him, because it's being honest rather than "we didn't execute the game plan well enough". These were some quotes from Roy Williams after yesterday's game vs Clemson...
"We've had some great moments as a coach, and right now I'd say this is my lowest one because losing this game was my fault," Williams said. "Told them if I die tomorrow or 20 years from now, that'll be the biggest regret I had in 32 years as a coach. Cause these kids really need a win. And their coach let them down today."
Williams didn't stop there, either.
"Gotta tell Bubba he should probably fire me, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea," Williams said, folding up a stat sheet to put in his jacket pocket. "The coach is supposed to help his kids. I didn't help them very much.''
I wouldn't be so quick to credit Williams. He can certainly afford to be so candid if he's had a bad game. He knows perfectly well he's untouchable given his accomplishments. No coach is going to make remarks like that if he has any doubt about total job security.
Quote from: NickelDimer on January 12, 2020, 09:33:49 AM
I really can't imagine a high major being interested in Wojo
I doubt he would be a primary target, but he is the type of coach a program looks at after striking out on their top choices.
Quote from: muguru on January 12, 2020, 08:36:24 AM
Would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see Wojo make comments like this sometime after a game. I would gain so much more respect from him, because it's being honest rather than "we didn't execute the game plan well enough". These were some quotes from Roy Williams after yesterday's game vs Clemson...
"We've had some great moments as a coach, and right now I'd say this is my lowest one because losing this game was my fault," Williams said. "Told them if I die tomorrow or 20 years from now, that'll be the biggest regret I had in 32 years as a coach. Cause these kids really need a win. And their coach let them down today."
Williams didn't stop there, either.
"Gotta tell Bubba he should probably fire me, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea," Williams said, folding up a stat sheet to put in his jacket pocket. "The coach is supposed to help his kids. I didn't help them very much.''
The stupid is deep here. Roy Williams, untouchable makes a comment....about 10 coaches in college basketball can make this comment and that is it. Get with reality.
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on January 12, 2020, 08:28:47 AM
Do you think he is too stubborn to listen to his bench? Some of his assistants have to recognize his flaws .
Maybe they're part of the problem.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 12, 2020, 09:34:59 AM
All those programs, with the exception of South Carolina, haven't even hit the levels we're not satisfied with here. If Wojo delivered a NCAA bid they'd be doing cartwheels.
So would Marquette.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 12, 2020, 08:47:24 AM
This is correct.
I appreciate Fluffy BM's attempt at career planning to help our coach depart, but .. zero of those teams would hire a guy coming off a 7-11 BE season, which Bartovik now predicts.
Wojo's top bullet point on his resume is "If you want a clean program and get your program to complete for NIT bids, I AM YOUR GUY."
#sadtrombone
I'm not sure "Fluffy BM" is a nickname I'm on board with.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 12, 2020, 11:25:49 AM
I'm not sure "Fluffy BM" is a nickname I'm on board with.
Fluffy BM would fit for some on here I can think of
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 12, 2020, 11:22:49 AM
So would Marquette.
He delivered one last year....did you do cartwheels? He delivered one a few years earlier than that....
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 12, 2020, 11:25:49 AM
I'm not sure "Fluffy BM" is a nickname I'm on board with.
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Quote from: Cheeks on January 12, 2020, 11:37:21 AM
He delivered one last year....did you do cartwheels? He delivered one a few years earlier than that....
My initial response was yeah, I did do cartwheels. But thinking back, we'd just lost 5 of 6, MU had just blown chance after chance to win the BE, MU was headed for a bid, and at the time, it appeared we were headed for losing 6 of 7.
So .. it was kind of one of those cartwheels a 50 year old guy would do, flopping on his side.
Quote from: muguru on January 12, 2020, 08:36:24 AM
Would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see Wojo make comments like this sometime after a game. I would gain so much more respect from him, because it's being honest rather than "we didn't execute the game plan well enough". These were some quotes from Roy Williams after yesterday's game vs Clemson...
"We've had some great moments as a coach, and right now I'd say this is my lowest one because losing this game was my fault," Williams said. "Told them if I die tomorrow or 20 years from now, that'll be the biggest regret I had in 32 years as a coach. Cause these kids really need a win. And their coach let them down today."
Williams didn't stop there, either.
"Gotta tell Bubba he should probably fire me, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea," Williams said, folding up a stat sheet to put in his jacket pocket. "The coach is supposed to help his kids. I didn't help them very much.''
They're nearly 40 years apart. It's way easier for a coach like Williams to say something like that. Almost a plea for sympathy if you ask me. Not saying Wojo shouldn't accept more responsibility at times but those Roy quotes are a little much.
Wojo is already set for life. His wife is a doctor, Wojo has made a ton of money already...that isn't really at issue here. So many people cannot wait to start the process over again and repeat the same process over and over and over again.
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Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 12, 2020, 11:25:49 AM
I'm not sure "Fluffy BM" is a nickname I'm on board with.
Guess you set yourself up for that one. ;)
I'll hold my comments on Wojo until next year to see if they start playing like a team instead of a 1 feeder system
Quote from: Cheeks on January 12, 2020, 01:30:30 PM
Wojo is already set for life. His wife is a doctor, Wojo has made a ton of money already...that isn't really at issue here. So many people cannot wait to start the process over again and repeat the same process over and over and over again.
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She's definitely not a doctor....
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on January 12, 2020, 08:28:47 AM
Do you think he is too stubborn to listen to his bench? Some of his assistants have to recognize his flaws .
Actually, I think the opposite may be true. Are any of his assistants good teachers? They all seem like great guys and great recruiters, but what do we know about their coaching / teaching abilities?
Do we have a defensive specialist on the bench? How about a guy to teach post moves? I really don't know the answer to this.
Quote from: NickelDimer on January 12, 2020, 09:33:49 AM
I really can't imagine a high major being interested in Wojo
Maybe there's a high major that really needs a goodwill ambassador.
Quote from: Cheeks on January 12, 2020, 11:37:21 AM
He delivered one last year....did you do cartwheels? He delivered one a few years earlier than that....
Dear lord man, you really are the most supreme bootlicker I've ever encountered. I would maybe understand it if you had some sort of financial incentive to spend a disproportionate amount of your precious free time stanning online for Crean & Wojo, but the fact that you almost certainly don't leads me to believe you have some deep-seated authority figure issues that you need to get addressed ASAP. Otherwise you'll end up devoting the rest of your life to vociferously defending boring mediocrities that will never see you do so, nor will they give you the pat on the head you so desperately seek. Pathetic!
Are they redoing his office? Because I'm pretty sure the only answer that is accurate is back to Marquette.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 12, 2020, 02:45:56 PM
Are they redoing his office? Because I'm pretty sure the only answer that is accurate is back to Marquette.
Yeah ... I'm starting to wane on the guy, but he's not getting fired and certainly not having the kind of season that's going to land him a comparable gig elsewhere. Plus a top 10 recruiting class (and perhaps better if Mane commits and enrolls) buys him some rope, I'm sure.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 12, 2020, 02:45:56 PM
Are they redoing his office? Because I'm pretty sure the only answer that is accurate is back to Marquette.
Dude one can dream...
Quote from: Cheeks on January 12, 2020, 10:02:11 AM
The stupid is deep here. Roy Williams, untouchable makes a comment....about 10 coaches in college basketball can make this comment and that is it. Get with reality.
No sh*t sherlock..my whole point was Wojo being dead honest and blaming himself rather then his standard "I have to do a better job teaching them" line that he has used. Be honest, say "I f*ucked up..I should have fouled against Providence up 3". Or in other instances.. "our defense wasn't effective in man, so I should have tried a zone, or given the guys something else to work with". He doesn't have to say the fire me part..obviously he isn't going to say that. But just be honest about your true Coaching abilities and let ppl know when you truly F up instead of always saying "we didn't follow the game plan".
Quote from: Cheeks on January 12, 2020, 11:37:21 AM
He delivered one last year....did you do cartwheels? He delivered one a few years earlier than that....
How many did Buzz deliver in his time here in the same time frame. How many Sweet 16's?? Tournament wins?? Elite 8's?? Conference championships. I guarantee you you won't answer the question without taking a shot at him in some way about off court crap or him "mailing it in" his last year. Answer the question straight up without that BS. Further, how many did Crean deliver of the same things in the same time frame??
Quote from: muguru on January 12, 2020, 03:57:38 PM
No sh*t sherlock..my whole point was Wojo being dead honest and blaming himself rather then his standard "I have to do a better job teaching them" line that he has used. Be honest, say "I f*ucked up..I should have fouled against Providence up 3". Or in other instances.. "our defense wasn't effective in man, so I should have tried a zone, or given the guys something else to work with". He doesn't have to say the fire me part..obviously he isn't going to say that. But just be honest about your true Coaching abilities and let ppl know when you truly F up instead of always saying "we didn't follow the game plan".
Isn't it honest that he has to do a better job teaching them?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 12, 2020, 04:01:09 PM
Isn't it honest that he has to do a better job teaching them?
Yes, but when he says it, it feels "canned" rather than genuine. Besides, almost all Coaches use that. Be MORE brutally honest like in my above examples.
Quote from: Cheeks on January 12, 2020, 01:30:30 PM
Wojo is already set for life. His wife is a doctor, Wojo has made a ton of money already...that isn't really at issue here. So many people cannot wait to start the process over again and repeat the same process over and over and over again.
I think she's a Nurse Practitioner.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 12, 2020, 03:51:35 PM
Dude one can dream...
I get it, I'm very frustrated right now. I feel like Wojo can coach, but only one way. Last year when we had everything clicking, we looked great. Deservedly top-10 in the country. But then Markus got hurt and there was no alternative. This year, the Hausers leave, we lose that perimeter mismatch, no one has been able to consistently fill that void. When Wojo has exactly what he wants, the results are great. But when things don't go well, it falls apart.
I just don't think he's close to going anywhere. I don't think Marquette would fire him almost no matter what (barring something offcourt) and I don't think anyone will come seeking him out unless we have a great finish this year, in which case, many won't want to lose him anyway.
My main hope is that Wojo should again have the kind of roster he wants next year assuming this class comes together (what we have + Mane). If he can complete that class and within 2 years get back to where we were a year ago, that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Quote from: Cheeks on January 12, 2020, 01:30:30 PM
Wojo is already set for life. His wife is a doctor, Wojo has made a ton of money already...that isn't really at issue here. So many people cannot wait to start the process over again and repeat the same process over and over and over again.
You don't sound like a Marquette fan. IMO.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 12, 2020, 04:14:11 PM
You don't sound like a Marquette fan. IMO.
LOL. Ok. Please tell me why that is the case. Because I want to win, because I travel from California to Wisconsin at least once if not twice a year to attend MU games, because I almost never miss a game on TV, etc...what was the tip for you? ::)
"So with 20 minutes on a laptop and a full pot of coffee, this is what I came up with."
you take the coffee pot into the chitter with ya or do you have the old lady checkin in?
Quote from: muguru on January 12, 2020, 03:57:38 PM
No sh*t sherlock..my whole point was Wojo being dead honest and blaming himself rather then his standard "I have to do a better job teaching them" line that he has used. Be honest, say "I f*ucked up..I should have fouled against Providence up 3". Or in other instances.. "our defense wasn't effective in man, so I should have tried a zone, or given the guys something else to work with". He doesn't have to say the fire me part..obviously he isn't going to say that. But just be honest about your true Coaching abilities and let ppl know when you truly F up instead of always saying "we didn't follow the game plan".
And if he didn't honestly believe that Marquette should have fouled before the three in the PC game ? Should he say it anyway? And how is him saying he needs to do a better job teaching them not taking responsibility? If he's trying to drill the concepts of man to man into the players heads, maybe not going to zone is a calculated decision. I'm not even saying I personally would mind him employing a zone, in fact I've called for it myself, but I'm not the coach. Probably a good thing too. I've called for sitting Markus at points during a game and then he hits multiple 3's and ends up scoring 40.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 12, 2020, 04:05:32 PM
I think she's a Nurse Practitioner.
Correct. She's not a doctor.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 12, 2020, 04:05:32 PM
I think she's a Nurse Practitioner.
My apologies. Thank you for the correction. I'm guessing they are doing just fine. Duke assistants paid very well, paid well by MU for 6 years.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 12, 2020, 04:07:16 PM
I get it, I'm very frustrated right now. I feel like Wojo can coach, but only one way. Last year when we had everything clicking, we looked great. Deservedly top-10 in the country. But then Markus got hurt and there was no alternative. This year, the Hausers leave, we lose that perimeter mismatch, no one has been able to consistently fill that void. When Wojo has exactly what he wants, the results are great. But when things don't go well, it falls apart.
I just don't think he's close to going anywhere. I don't think Marquette would fire him almost no matter what (barring something offcourt) and I don't think anyone will come seeking him out unless we have a great finish this year, in which case, many won't want to lose him anyway.
My main hope is that Wojo should again have the kind of roster he wants next year assuming this class comes together (what we have + Mane). If he can complete that class and within 2 years get back to where we were a year ago, that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Last year was an illusionary Top 10 team. We beat a short handed K-State, won a grinder against Wisconsin with Joey Hauser coming up big, and then Buffalo when Markus went God-mode.
Big East was awful last year. Our great Big East start was largely a function of playing teams ranked 60-100 by KenPom.
Sure, last year was arguably our best year under Wojo, but we weren't a Top 10 caliber team by any stretch of the imagination.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 12, 2020, 04:07:16 PM
I get it, I'm very frustrated right now. I feel like Wojo can coach, but only one way. Last year when we had everything clicking, we looked great. Deservedly top-10 in the country. But then Markus got hurt and there was no alternative. This year, the Hausers leave, we lose that perimeter mismatch, no one has been able to consistently fill that void. When Wojo has exactly what he wants, the results are great. But when things don't go well, it falls apart.
I just don't think he's close to going anywhere. I don't think Marquette would fire him almost no matter what (barring something offcourt) and I don't think anyone will come seeking him out unless we have a great finish this year, in which case, many won't want to lose him anyway.
My main hope is that Wojo should again have the kind of roster he wants next year assuming this class comes together (what we have + Mane). If he can complete that class and within 2 years get back to where we were a year ago, that's not necessarily a bad thing.
I believe they were a top 10 team last year and that's part of my apprehension with Wojo, he pissed that away by letting the chemistry of the team go bad. Howard injury is an excuse and not a good one. That team imploded down the stretch last year thats on the coach.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 12, 2020, 04:35:09 PM
Last year was an illusionary Top 10 team. We beat a short handed K-State, won a grinder against Wisconsin with Joey Hauser coming up big, and then Buffalo when Markus went God-mode.
Big East was awful last year. Our great Big East start was largely a function of playing teams ranked 60-100 by KenPom.
Sure, last year was arguably our best year under Wojo, but we weren't a Top 10 caliber team by any stretch of the imagination.
Ahh, so wins over top teams last year were an illusion...should they even count Houston? The Nova and Seton Hall wins...do they count? Was Markus on the team last year...or do his great performances not count, but his bad performances do...so confusing.
Big East was awful last year? Nope. Not as good as this year, but not awful. Ranked 5th best conference.
Keep trying to spin. I'm in Houston at the end of February, we getting together?
Quote from: Cheeks on January 12, 2020, 04:56:25 PM
Ahh, so wins over top teams last year were an illusion...should they even count Houston? The Nova and Seton Hall wins...do they count? Was Markus on the team last year...or do his great performances not count, but his bad performances do...so confusing.
Big East was awful last year? Nope. Not as good as this year, but not awful. Ranked 5th best conference.
Keep trying to spin. I'm in Houston at the end of February, we getting together?
Is 5th best conference good?
Big East sent 9/10 to the NCAA/NIT tournament. I wouldn't say that is "awful"
Quote from: panda on January 12, 2020, 05:00:10 PM
Is 5th best conference good?
Yes, good, not great. Far from AWFUL...the nonsense Ners is spewing. This year the 5th conference is SEC...some very good teams and some mediocre teams...that's usually how it plays out. But Ners wanting to pretend last year's progression doesn't mean anything describes it as awful...and as usual he is wrong.
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Quote from: Cheeks on January 12, 2020, 05:12:35 PM
Yes, good, not great. Far from AWFUL...the nonsense Ners is spewing. This year the 5th conference is SEC...some very good teams and some mediocre teams...that's usually how it plays out. But Ners wanting to pretend last year's progression doesn't mean anything describes it as awful...and as usual he is wrong.
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Conference was down last year compared to other years. No question about that.
Quote from: panda on January 12, 2020, 05:15:34 PM
Conference was down last year compared to other years. No question about that.
Yes, but that is different than being awful. That's the point.
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Quote from: Cheeks on January 12, 2020, 05:19:11 PM
Yes, but that is different than being awful. That's the point.
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How about one of the worst of the best conferences. Your logic skills are on par with a 5 year old.
Quote from: panda on January 12, 2020, 05:21:12 PM
How about one of the worst of the best conferences. Your logic skills are on par with a 5 year old.
How about words have meaning rather than trying to twit it into something it isn't. The Big East wasn't awful last year, rated 5th best. Sorry it doesn't fit your agenda or Ners. Too bad.
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Quote from: Cheeks on January 12, 2020, 05:27:22 PM
How about words have meaning rather than trying to twit it into something it isn't. The Big East wasn't awful last year, rated 5th best. Sorry it doesn't fit your agenda or Ners. Too bad.
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I know it's difficult for you, but use your brain.
Quote from: Cheeks on January 12, 2020, 05:19:11 PM
Yes, but that is different than being awful. That's the point.
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Highest ranked KenPom Big East team last? Nova at 30. Next? MU 33. Rest were all Sub 50. If being ranked 5th out 6th of the Power 6 conferences isn't awful, we just disagree in semantics.
Can't recall if any Big East teams won an NCAA game last year?
Wojo no go.
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Quote from: Cheeks on January 12, 2020, 04:17:56 PM
LOL. Ok. Please tell me why that is the case. Because I want to win, because I travel from California to Wisconsin at least once if not twice a year to attend MU games, because I almost never miss a game on TV, etc...what was the tip for you? ::)
You seem very content with the status quo and happy for Wojo's family financial success. MU= not so good; Wojo = Very Rich. Seems like a perfect storm for a Badger fan.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 12, 2020, 05:46:26 PM
Highest ranked KenPom Big East team last? Nova at 30. Next? MU 33. Rest were all Sub 50. If being ranked 5th out 6th of the Power 6 conferences isn't awful, we just disagree in semantics.
Can't recall if any Big East teams won an NCAA game last year?
Not semantics, just your agenda to try to dismiss an accomplishment...we meeting in Houston or not? Why you ducking the question?
Yes, Nova won a game last year. 9 of 10 teams went to the post season, I believe 5 went to the NCAA.
What's interesting is you dismiss all of our lucky wins...against #20 Kansas State, #23 Louisville, #22 BUFFALO, #16 Wisconsin, #30 Nova, etc etc. LOL
Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 12, 2020, 06:23:49 PM
You seem very content with the status quo and happy for Wojo's family financial success. MU= not so good; Wojo = Very Rich. Seems like a perfect storm for a Badger fan.
Oh yeah...you nailed it. Good Lord.
What does being happy for someone's success have to do with the price of tea in China? Seriously, what logic got you there?
Quote from: Cheeks on January 12, 2020, 06:24:56 PM
Not semantics, just your agenda to try to dismiss an accomplishment...we meeting in Houston or not? Why you ducking the question?
Yes, Nova won a game last year. 9 of 10 teams went to the post season, I believe 5 went to the NCAA.
What's interesting is you dismiss all of our lucky wins...against #20 Kansas State, #23 Louisville, #22 BUFFALO, #16 Wisconsin, #30 Nova, etc etc. LOL
3 Big East teams made NCAA last year. MU and Seton Hall got blown out. Nova won, one game. To me, that's pretty awful and worst I recall since we joined Big East.
Sure. Winning a couple of games at home against teams ranked 20-30 was nice. That should be an expectation not an exception.
But yea, very cool that 6 Big East teams made NIT last year.
P.S. - Even if I did live in Houston, I'd have no interest in meeting you for a beer summit.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 12, 2020, 06:35:33 PM
3 Big East teams made NCAA last year. MU and Seton Hall got blown out. Nova won, one game. To me, that's pretty awful and worst I recall since we joined Big East.
Sure. Winning a couple of games at home against teams ranked 20-30 was nice. That should be an expectation not an exception.
But yea, very cool that 6 Big East teams made NIT last year.
P.S. - Even if I did live in Houston, I'd have no interest in meeting you for a beer summit.
That's sad, you told us all here publicly multiple times you lived in Houston and you said you would be more than happy to meet me...of course this is when you were Ners.
I said 5, correction...it was four.
Marquette
Villanova
Seton Hall
St John's
Quote from: Cheeks on January 12, 2020, 06:49:56 PM
That's sad, you told us all here publicly multiple times you lived in Houston and you said you would be more than happy to meet me...
I think i'm actually starting to feel sorry for this fellow.
Dang, home losses make people stupid.
Quote from: TAMU Garcia on January 12, 2020, 08:58:21 PM
Dang, home losses make people stupid.
Can't afford any more if we're gonna get that 4 seed
Quote from: Mutaman on January 12, 2020, 07:18:58 PM
I think i'm actually starting to feel sorry for this fellow.
You going to call me racist like you have with so many other people on the internet over the last few years when they don't agree with you? Calling JG a racist bigot on Dodds board was really stellar. Your words.
Quote from: Cheeks on January 12, 2020, 09:01:23 PM
You going to call me racist like you have with so many other people on the internet over the last few years when they don't agree with you? Calling JG a racist bigot on Dodds board was really stellar. Your words.
- Could you describe the problems?
-The main problem concerns childhood inferiority feelings,
aggravated by adult experiences.
- what were those adult experiences?
- He'd undergone a lot of strain. Long, arduous combat duty.
That's all I can say.
- would he easily admit mistakes?
- None of us do.
- would he be a perfectionist?
- Yes.
-Inclined to hound subordinates about small details?
- would he find people hostile?
- That's part of the picture.
-If criticised, would he feel unjustly persecuted?
- It all stems from the premise that he must try to be perfect.
- You have testified that these symptoms exist in Queeg's behaviour:
Rigidity of personality,
feelings of persecution, -
and a neurotic certainty he is always right.
Isn't there one psychiatric term for this illness?
- I never mentioned any illness.
- Thank you for the correction.
-what would you call a personality with all these symptoms?
- A paranoid personality.
But that is not a disabling illness.
- what kind of personality?
- Paranoid.
Quote from: Cheeks on January 12, 2020, 05:19:11 PM
Yes, but that is different than being awful. That's the point.
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6 "power conferences". PAC 12 has been awful for quite some time, so 6 in name but really 5.
But whether it finished 5th in a 5 or a 6 team race is splitting hairs. The Big East was not good last year. Only a fool would assert it was.