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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: BM1090 on January 10, 2020, 04:52:36 PM

Title: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: BM1090 on January 10, 2020, 04:52:36 PM
Line is currently +5
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: CountryRoads on January 10, 2020, 05:02:36 PM
Mamu still out too, right?
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: lawdog77 on January 10, 2020, 05:04:01 PM
Markus going to drop 30 in the first half, and we are going to blow the doors off of them. We are going to come out pi$$ed off. Take it to your local bookie.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 10, 2020, 05:07:32 PM
maybe they can play pissed off and cover that bad boy

just saw law doggie's post-we be on the same page
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on January 10, 2020, 05:28:16 PM

Sacar needs to start off aggressive on offense.

Koby needs to start off confident and aggressive on offense.

Brendan needs to continue to be aggressive on offense.

Markus needs to be Markus.

Everyone else needs to contribute when the opportunities present themselves. 

And of course, everyone needs to play aggressively on defense.

After three games in conference, the team should know what is required in both effort and execution.

Wojo better have them prepared.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 10, 2020, 05:36:44 PM
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 10, 2020, 05:28:16 PM
Sacar needs to start off aggressive on offense.

Koby needs to start off confident and aggressive on offense.

Brendan needs to continue to be aggressive on offense.

Markus needs to be Markus.

Everyone else needs to contribute when the opportunities present themselves. 

And of course, everyone needs to play aggressively on defense.

After three games in conference, the team should know what is required in both effort and execution.

Wojo better have them prepared.

So, everyone needs to be better.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 10, 2020, 05:44:41 PM
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 10, 2020, 05:28:16 PM
Sacar needs to start off aggressive on offense.

Koby needs to start off confident and aggressive on offense.

Brendan needs to continue to be aggressive on offense.

Markus needs to be Markus.

Everyone else needs to contribute when the opportunities present themselves. 

And of course, everyone needs to play aggressively on defense.

After three games in conference, the team should know what is required in both effort and execution.

Wojo better have them prepared.

and we gotta score more than the hall :D
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: fjm on January 10, 2020, 06:01:32 PM
Seton hall by 10.

The providence loss was demoralizing.

(Jk. But seriously. I think the hall BF's us).
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: 79Warrior on January 10, 2020, 06:12:18 PM


I would take MU plus 6. I think we keep it close and perhaps can steal this one on the road.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: BM1090 on January 10, 2020, 06:22:17 PM
I'd take MU +6 as well. Sandwiched between 2 road games for SH. Next game @ Butler. MU usually responds well after losses.

Not sure if we pull it off but I think it stays within 6.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on January 10, 2020, 06:26:33 PM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 10, 2020, 05:36:44 PM
So, everyone needs to be better.

Some need to maintain, some need to do better.

Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: Class71 on January 10, 2020, 06:32:25 PM
Anybodies guess. Who knows which MU team will show up.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: PointWarrior on January 10, 2020, 06:32:34 PM
hall in a no sweat 10 pt win...
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: WhiteTrash on January 10, 2020, 07:07:48 PM
Based upon what we've seen this year would anyone be surprised by a win or a 15+ point loss?
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on January 10, 2020, 07:27:12 PM

These guys have pride.

I'm calling for a close win or a close loss. No blowout either way.

Sacar for SOTG in a win.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: jonny09 on January 10, 2020, 07:30:40 PM
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 10, 2020, 07:27:12 PM
These guys have pride.

I'm calling for a close win or a close loss. No blowout either way.

Sacar for SOTG in a win.

I hope you are right.  My intuition tells me SH covers.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: f/k/a humanlung on January 10, 2020, 08:20:46 PM
MU is +6 as of 6:20 p.m. Pacific time. 
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: Loose Cannon on January 10, 2020, 08:25:41 PM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 10, 2020, 05:36:44 PM
So, everyone needs to be better.

Always Better to be Better.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 10, 2020, 08:41:52 PM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 10, 2020, 05:36:44 PM
So, everyone needs to be better.

And aggressive.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 10, 2020, 08:57:07 PM
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Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: Keithtisbarf on January 11, 2020, 12:39:46 AM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 10, 2020, 05:36:44 PM
So, everyone needs to be better.

LOL
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on January 11, 2020, 03:40:32 AM
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 10, 2020, 05:44:41 PM
and we gotta score more than the hall :D

There actually was a point to the post.

I'm sick and tired of guys like Sacar, Koby, and Brendan showing up on offense for one game and then disappearing for a long stretch before  showing up again. Even in individual games they disappear for long stretches. The Hausers are gone. There's more shot opportunities available. Quit deferring to Markus so much. And when they take it to the hole, they need to take it strong like theyve been there before.. They look hesitant and it shows in the results.

The other guys on the team just need to be opportunistic. I never expected any of them to carry much of the load.

Wojo needs to tell the first three to man the eff up, every game, and every minute they're on the floor..
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: Goose on January 11, 2020, 07:43:37 AM
Thankfully I do not bet on games for better part of two decades. I have zero idea what to expect from this MU team. I would say betting for or against MU in any game is a very risky proposition.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: We R Final Four on January 11, 2020, 08:53:31 AM
Markus, Sacar, Koby, and Greg will need to drive and dish to avoid Gill.
If these guys think that they are going to drive into the lane, attempt an off handed circus shot and then look at the ref for a call....it's gonna be a long day.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: Warrior of Law on January 11, 2020, 09:07:38 AM
@Hall, vs. Xavier, @G'town....could be 4-2 or 1-5 at end of this stretch.  2 of 3 would get back to .500.  So far, they've bounced back from tough losses, so this will be an interesting week.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: willie warrior on January 11, 2020, 09:30:40 AM
Quote from: lawdog77 on January 10, 2020, 05:04:01 PM
Markus going to drop 30 in the first half, and we are going to blow the doors off of them. We are going to come out pi$$ed off. Take it to your local bookie.
Sounds like hashish
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: jesmu84 on January 11, 2020, 09:38:36 AM
I would argue that today is a must win.

I don't think they're going to
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: Daniel on January 11, 2020, 09:51:13 AM
 We need to win this one and it will be tough.   The only consistent thing this year with the team is inconsistency.  I do not understand how you cannot turn it on every game and be Up for it.  This is Marquette basketball.   Be ready every game.  Period.  No excuses.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: genious expert on January 11, 2020, 10:06:19 AM
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 11, 2020, 09:38:36 AM
I would argue that today is a must win.

I don't think they're going to

On the road, 6pt dogs against the team most people predicted to win the conference and it's a must win, aye?

It would be a great win but a loss isn't going to bury us either.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: BM1090 on January 11, 2020, 10:34:44 AM
Quote from: Goose on January 11, 2020, 07:43:37 AM
Thankfully I do not bet on games for better part of two decades. I have zero idea what to expect from this MU team. I would say betting for or against MU in any game is a very risky proposition.

Agreed. I would take the +6 if I were betting but just like the providence game I don't have a good enough feel.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: BM1090 on January 11, 2020, 10:35:59 AM
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 11, 2020, 09:38:36 AM
I would argue that today is a must win.

I don't think they're going to

Definitely not a must win. But a loss certainly turns Wednesday vs. Xavier into a must win.

Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: GoldenZebra on January 11, 2020, 10:36:20 AM
Quote from: lawdog77 on January 10, 2020, 05:04:01 PM
Markus going to drop 30 in the first half, and we are going to blow the doors off of them. We are going to come out pi$$ed off. Take it to your local bookie.

hahaha....ok. I have more tempered expectations. Not a W, but its gonna be close.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: Elonsmusk on January 11, 2020, 10:49:57 AM
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 11, 2020, 03:40:32 AM
There actually was a point to the post.

I'm sick and tired of guys like Sacar, Koby, and Brendan showing up on offense for one game and then disappearing for a long stretch before  showing up again. Even in individual games they disappear for long stretches. The Hausers are gone. There's more shot opportunities available. Quit deferring to Markus so much. And when they take it to the hole, they need to take it strong like theyve been there before.. They look hesitant and it shows in the results.

The other guys on the team just need to be opportunistic. I never expected any of them to carry much of the load.

Wojo needs to tell the first three to man the eff up, every game, and every minute they're on the floor..

They aren't deferring to Markus.  Markus takes 40% of the teams shots while he's on the floor.  That leaves 15% each for the other 4 players on the court with him. 

And there are actually less shot attempts available this year with the Hauser's being gone, as Markus has upped his shots percentage from 36.7 to 40.8%

This is the formula Wojo has decided gives MU the best chance to win.  So far, it hasn't resulted in NCAA tournament wins, and it remains to be seen how it plays out this year.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: We R Final Four on January 11, 2020, 10:52:21 AM
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 11, 2020, 09:38:36 AM
I would argue that today is a must win.

I don't think they're going to
So, if it's must win.....and we lose like you think...then what? It's over?
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: lawdog77 on January 11, 2020, 11:00:46 AM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 11, 2020, 10:49:57 AM
They aren't deferring to Markus.  Markus takes 40% of the teams shots while he's on the floor.  That leaves 15% each for the other 4 players on the court with him. 

And there are actually less shot attempts available this year with the Hauser's being gone, as Markus has upped his shots percentage from 36.7 to 40.8%

This is the formula Wojo has decided gives MU the best chance to win.  So far, it hasn't resulted in NCAA tournament wins, and it remains to be seen how it plays out this year.
Just curious. Wondering where you get these stats. Looking at the raw shot attempts, Markus was at 29% last year, and is at 29.6% this year.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: Elonsmusk on January 11, 2020, 11:05:48 AM
Quote from: lawdog77 on January 11, 2020, 11:00:46 AM
Just curious. Wondering where you get these stats. Looking at the raw shot attempts, Markus was at 29% last year, and is at 29.6% this year.

Ken Pom.  % of shots = percent of shots taken while on the floor.  It doesn't factor in total shots taken for the year, divided by the teams total shots attempted.  You have games where foul trouble reduces minutes, games sat out due to injury, etc.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on January 11, 2020, 11:11:23 AM
What channel is the game on today ?
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: BM1090 on January 11, 2020, 11:31:40 AM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 11, 2020, 10:49:57 AM
They aren't deferring to Markus.  Markus takes 40% of the teams shots while he's on the floor.  That leaves 15% each for the other 4 players on the court with him. 

And there are actually less shot attempts available this year with the Hauser's being gone, as Markus has upped his shots percentage from 36.7 to 40.8%

This is the formula Wojo has decided gives MU the best chance to win.  So far, it hasn't resulted in NCAA tournament wins, and it remains to be seen how it plays out this year.

Myles Powell is at 40.6%. Lots of shots for those two today.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 11, 2020, 11:45:51 AM
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on January 11, 2020, 11:11:23 AM
What channel is the game on today ?

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59211.msg1191332#msg1191332
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on January 11, 2020, 12:10:34 PM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 11, 2020, 10:49:57 AM
They aren't deferring to Markus.  Markus takes 40% of the teams shots while he's on the floor.  That leaves 15% each for the other 4 players on the court with him. 

And there are actually less shot attempts available this year with the Hauser's being gone, as Markus has upped his shots percentage from 36.7 to 40.8%

This is the formula Wojo has decided gives MU the best chance to win.  So far, it hasn't resulted in NCAA tournament wins, and it remains to be seen how it plays out this year.

Ummm yeah Markus' shot percentage is up......

Because guys are deferring to him. The whole point was that the other guys have to start being more assertive offensively. The Hausers minutes are available, so the Hausers shots are available as well. IF those guys, step up and take them. Start going to the rack with purpose and finish drives. That's how this group can consistently replace the Hausers scoring.  Besides Bailey, I don't think the others can replace Sam and Joeys outside shooting.

I don't know if it's Wojos formula or if Markus just gets more aggressive when his teammates seem passive. Regardless, I think Marquettes chances of winning are better with a more diverse and balanced offense.
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Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: WindyCityGoldenEagle on January 11, 2020, 01:57:29 PM
According to Vegas insider, 78% of money line bets are on Marquette. Interesting.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on January 11, 2020, 02:29:39 PM
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 11, 2020, 09:38:36 AM
I would argue that today is a must win.

I don't think they're going to

If it was the last game of the season and we were on the bubble.

This has been a crazy season so far. Anything could happen.

Stay positive.
Title: Re: MU opens +6 vs.SHU
Post by: Johnny B on January 11, 2020, 02:37:23 PM
If we lose to day I think Xavier becomes a sorta must win. I mean 1-4 is really starting to dig a deep hole to climb out of.
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