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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Not A Serious Person on January 03, 2020, 09:46:00 AM
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https://www.stadiumtalk.com/s/best-basketball-player-ever-every-state-e7f37076f8e4435a
IL - D-Wade
WI - Terry Porter
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https://www.stadiumtalk.com/s/best-basketball-player-ever-every-state-e7f37076f8e4435a
IL - D-Wade
WI - Terry Porter Ners
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I would go with Latrell Spreewell over Terry Porter.
Caron Butler, Freddie Brown, and Kojis round out the top 5.
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me thinks they did barely any research. Nebraska isn't even close to correct.
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Jim Chones?
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Danny Ainge over Kevin Love and Sam Cassell over Kevin Durant.
Hmmm.
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Jim Chones?
Admirable, lengthy career, but not the all time best from Wisconsin.
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No LaVar Ball? How are we supposed to take this seriously?
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Danny Ainge over Kevin Love and Sam Cassell over Kevin Durant.
Hmmm.
The article is terrible.
That said, I don't think the author would count Kevin Love as from Oregon. David Robinson is from Florida, and Bill Russell is from Louisiana. So, I think Love would be from California.
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The article is terrible.
That said, I don't think the author would count Kevin Love as from Oregon. David Robinson is from Florida, and Bill Russell is from Louisiana. So, I think Love would be from California.
He literally just looked at birthplaces on Wiki, LMAO. Thats the only way you can, for example, select f-ing Mario Chalmers over Carlos Boozer for AK, when Boozer was a more accomplished player at the HS, NCAA, and NBA level than Chalmers. But he was born on a military base in Germany, so this doofus didn't deem him from AK.
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He literally just looked at birthplaces on Wiki, LMAO. Thats the only way you can, for example, select f-ing Mario Chalmers over Carlos Boozer for AK, when Boozer was a more accomplished player at the HS, NCAA, and NBA level than Chalmers. But he was born on a military base in Germany, so this doofus didn't deem him from AK.
Boozer's "hair" disqualified him.
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me thinks they did barely any research. Nebraska isn't even close to correct.
Yeah...I'm grew up in Nebraska...and couldn't really come up with anybody in the 90 seconds I thought about it.
Who is on your list?
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Yeah...I'm grew up in Nebraska...and couldn't really come up with anybody in the 90 seconds I thought about it.
Who is on your list?
Bob Boozer would be the one
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Admirable, lengthy career, but not the all time best from Wisconsin.
Chones may not be the best ever cheesehead, but he's gotta be in the top five.
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Pennsylvania
Wilt Chamberlain > Kobe Bryant
Connecticut
Calvin Murphy > Marcus Camby
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Chones may not be the best ever cheesehead, but he's gotta be in the top five.
Chones never made an All-Star team. Never made an all NBA first or second team. Using that filter, that puts him behind Porter, Spreewell, Kojis, Brown, Nick Van Exel, Caron Butler, Devin Harris and I am sure a number of others. But he was more consistent than those other guys. Top five is clearly debatable.
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California is wrong, as well.
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No LaVar Ball? How are we supposed to take this seriously?
LaVar ball is to the nba what ners is to scoop.
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I'm by no means pissing on Wade being the Illinois representative, but it's hard to split hairs with Wade and Isiah.Their high school - NBA accomplishments are very close to one another. Should probably argue Candace Parker should be in that conversation as well.
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Pennsylvania
Wilt Chamberlain > Kobe Bryant
Connecticut
Calvin Murphy > Marcus Camby
Kobe had a more accomplished NBA career and more titles/playoff success and didn't have the benefit of playing portions of his career without offensive goaltending and a narrow lane, much less excelling often cause he was just physically larger than everyone else like Chamberlain.
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Kobe had a more accomplished NBA career and more titles/playoff success and didn't have the benefit of playing portions of his career without offensive goaltending and a narrow lane, much less excelling often cause he was just physically larger than everyone else like Chamberlain.
Wilt had 4 MVPs, slept with over 10000 women without having to rape anyone.
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Wilt had 4 MVPs, slept with over 10000 women without having to rape anyone.
Kobe has 2 Finals MVPs to Wilt's 1.
Comparing their 14 seasons as starters (Kobe's first 14 and Wilt's career), Kobe has 12 NBA First Teams to Wilt's 7. Kobe had 9 Defensive First Teams to Wilt's 2.
Kobe never punched an opponent in the face and hurt his hand which lead to his team losing the Finals, if we want to talk extracurriculars.
Wilt's a legend and a top 10 of all time, but Kobe's accolades and achievements in a far more competitive NBA landscape vault him.
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California is wrong, as well.
Bill Walton against Diana Taurasi
Kevin Love, Paul George, Harden, Leonard, Reggie Miller, Jason Kidd, Reggie Theus, Paul Pierce, Gary Payton, Russell Westbrook, Gail Goodrich
Taurasi...if this isn't a PC pick I don't know what is.
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Kobe has 2 Finals MVPs to Wilt's 1.
Comparing their 14 seasons as starters (Kobe's first 14 and Wilt's career), Kobe has 12 NBA First Teams to Wilt's 7. Kobe had 9 Defensive First Teams to Wilt's 2.
Kobe never punched an opponent in the face and hurt his hand which lead to his team losing the Finals, if we want to talk extracurriculars.
Wilt's a legend and a top 10 of all time, but Kobe's accolades and achievements in a far more competitive NBA landscape vault him.
Wilt had to compete with Russell for that first team spot. Kobe only had to be one of two guards. The media was arguably biased against Wilt at the time. Are you saying Kobe is Top 10 of all time? I would put Wilt Top 5.
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Wilt had to compete with Russell for that first team spot. Kobe only had to be one of two guards. The media was arguably biased against Wilt at the time. Are you saying Kobe is Top 10 of all time? I would put Wilt Top 5.
Yea. In no order, other than the first 2: MJ, Lebron, Duncan, Kareem, Robertson, Shaq, Kobe, Magic, Russell, and Bird would be how I go. I think Kobe's greatness in his mid 20s got overshadowed by sharing with Shaq.
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Kobe was better than Wilt. Kobe is the best off guard other than MJ.
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Bill Walton against Diana Taurasi
Kevin Love, Paul George, Harden, Leonard, Reggie Miller, Jason Kidd, Reggie Theus, Paul Pierce, Gary Payton, Russell Westbrook, Gail Goodrich
Taurasi...if this isn't a PC pick I don't know what is.
Why? She is arguably one of the best all time woman’s players. If not the best. None of the men you mention approach that.
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Kobe was better than Wilt. Kobe is the best off guard other than MJ.
Kobe was from Calabria, hey?
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Why? She is arguably one of the best all time woman’s players. If not the best. None of the men you mention approach that.
Because the statement was best basketball player in the state, not best female basketball player in the state. If she’s the best basketball player in the state she would easily defeat any of the guys I mentioned in.....basketball.
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Pete Maravich. Pennsylvania. Better choice than Kobe?
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Yea. In no order, other than the first 2: MJ, Lebron, Duncan, Kareem, Robertson, Shaq, Kobe, Magic, Russell, and Bird would be how I go. I think Kobe's greatness in his mid 20s got overshadowed by sharing with Shaq.
Wilt > Shaq
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Pete Maravich. Pennsylvania. Better choice than Kobe?
Not by a long shot.
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Because the statement was best basketball player in the state, not best female basketball player in the state. If she’s the best basketball player in the state she would easily defeat any of the guys I mentioned in.....basketball.
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All Time Starting 5 from Wisconsin:
PG Terry Porter
SG Latrell Sprewell
SF Wes Matthews
PF Jim Chones
C Jim McIlvaine
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Why? She is arguably one of the best all time woman’s players. If not the best. None of the men you mention approach that.
Cheryl Miller would be a better choice.
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Agree. It actually belittles her accomplishments - which were, BTW, awesome. But saying she’s better at basketball than NBA Hall of Famers. C’mon.
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Roll your eyes all you wish, this is a pc move entirely. Have a best male (XY) and female (XX) player category so it encompasses the two scientific genders. Otherwise this is silly and cheapens it the way this is done.
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Thank God someone is here to protect the integrity of clickbait articles on stadiumtalk.com.
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Thank God someone is here to protect the integrity of clickbait articles on stadiumtalk.com.
Part of the overall dumbing down going on. Dave Chappelle had a great line about Lebron playing in the WNBA and scoring like 800 points a game. He was dead on and we continue to play these dumb little societal games in a steady drumbeat of nonsense. Good for Ricky Gervais to skewer a bunch of them last night.
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Part of the overall dumbing down going on. Dave Chappelle had a great line about Lebron playing in the WNBA and scoring like 800 points a game. He was dead on and we continue to play these dumb little societal games in a steady drumbeat of nonsense. Good for Ricky Gervais to skewer a bunch of them last night.
The only dumb thing here is someone getting mad about a clickbait list because its criteria doesn't match his own.
Also, no politics please.
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It's all in humor, which so many people have lost. There are things women do better than men, and things men do better than women. Not sure why that is now somehow not to be said. It's silly. It ignores reality. I say this as someone who believes women work harder, are amazing employees and smarter than most of the guys that I work with. Then there is the reality when it comes to sports and some other things, but we must not talk about that any longer to be woke.
https://youtu.be/-EkCR5AzA5s
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Part of the overall dumbing down going on. Dave Chappelle had a great line about Lebron playing in the WNBA and scoring like 800 points a game. He was dead on and we continue to play these dumb little societal games in a steady drumbeat of nonsense. Good for Ricky Gervais to skewer a bunch of them last night.
I can't be the only one who thinks it's hilarious that you champion Ricky Gervais' when he's made a vast living making fun of a good 90% of the views you've espoused on here.
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Cheeks decides to ruin yet another topic by acting like a insecure little tool.
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Because the statement was best basketball player in the state, not best female basketball player in the state. If she’s the best basketball player in the state she would easily defeat any of the guys I mentioned in.....basketball.
It just depends on your view of the question. I said earlier that Wilt > Kobe and I don't believe Wilt is a better basketball player than Kobe. I think Wilt was more dominant at the game he was playing in the time he was playing it than Kobe was in his time. I think that is a reasonable way of looking at it. While of course Taurasi is not better than 1000 guys from California, she is probably better at the game she is playing than the other California guys are at the game they are playing. You'd still have a good argument for Walton if he managed to stay healthy, btw.
At any rate, this article works as a conversation starter, so it is better than your usual clickbait.
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Taught ewe ment Wilt > Kobe in da bedroom, aina?
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If Terry Reason isn't in California's top five, the list is garbage.
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I can't be the only one who thinks it's hilarious that you champion Ricky Gervais' when he's made a vast living making fun of a good 90% of the views you've espoused on here.
Yes, that’s what comedians do...just as the best ones also skewer all sides.
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Cheeks decides to ruin yet another topic by acting like a insecure little tool.
No one ruined anything, stop playing the thread topic victim.
Chappelle brought it home in a humorous fashion...truth in comedy is an elixir for stupidity like the winners in some of this topic.
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No one ruined anything, stop playing the thread topic victim.
Chappelle brought it home in a humorous fashion...truth in comedy is an elixir for stupidity like the winners in some of this topic.
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Taught ewe ment Wilt > Kobe in da bedroom, aina?
as far as we know, Will at least got consent.
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Part of the overall dumbing down going on. Dave Chappelle had a great line about Lebron playing in the WNBA and scoring like 800 points a game. He was dead on and we continue to play these dumb little societal games in a steady drumbeat of nonsense. Good for Ricky Gervais to skewer a bunch of them last night.
cheap laughs from Chappell but typical of the "women need to just accept their place as the inferior gender crowd." Let's focus on physical characteristics and take the best male physical and athletics specimen on the planet and compare them to women. I don't think I've ever heard a mainstream argument that women are equal to men in athletics but if you want to belittle the idea of women's equality, use athletics to apply to every facet of life when it comes to gender equality.
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cheap laughs from Chappell but typical of the "women need to just accept their place as the inferior gender crowd." Let's focus on physical characteristics and take the best male physical and athletics specimen on the planet and compare them to women. I don't think I've ever heard a mainstream argument that women are equal to men in athletics but if you want to belittle the idea of women's equality, use athletics to apply to every facet of life when it comes to gender equality.
This thread sure took a massive, steaming dump.
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This thread sure took a massive, steaming dump.
it had already been ruined, I figured I'd finish it off.
It was a poorly conceived article anyway in that set the requirement based upon where someone was born. Kevin Love would never consider himself a Californian, he's an Oregonian.
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cheap laughs from Chappell but typical of the "women need to just accept their place as the inferior gender crowd." Let's focus on physical characteristics and take the best male physical and athletics specimen on the planet and compare them to women. I don't think I've ever heard a mainstream argument that women are equal to men in athletics but if you want to belittle the idea of women's equality, use athletics to apply to every facet of life when it comes to gender equality.
I’m simply not ignoring my eyeballs or common sense...or physics for that matter.
Women are better than men at many things. Men are better than women at many things. When we say equality, what does it mean? Which is exactly what DC asked. There is equality in opportunity. There is equality in access and rights. Those do not mean everyone is equal in talent.
When one says the best player in the state in the game of basketball which has rules that give great advantage to height, strength, mass, agility, jumping ability, etc....it matters. That is just fundamental common sense. Of course if one uses commons sense they are accused of belittling, or insecure or whatever. If the statement was best basketball shooter...that’s different. Best basketball dribbler, best basketball passer...sure. It wasn’t. And for pointing out the obvious it is politically incorrect and the charges fly.
This is why so many people cannot stand PC stuff because the basic common sense observations they are told are INVALID not for any legitimate reason except ...well except they are told to just accept them. Or to use DC’s comments...to shut the F Up or stand to be criticized for believing one’s lying eyes.
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I’m simply not ignoring my eyeballs or common sense...or physics for that matter.
Women are better than men at many things. Men are better than women at many things. When we say equality, what does it mean? Which is exactly what DC asked. There is equality in opportunity. There is equality in access and rights. Those do not mean everyone is equal in talent.
When one says the best player in the state in the game of basketball which has rules that give great advantage to height, strength, mass, agility, jumping ability, etc....it matters. That is just fundamental common sense. Of course if one uses commons sense they are accused of belittling, or insecure or whatever. If the statement was best basketball shooter...that’s different. Best basketball dribbler, best basketball passer...sure. It wasn’t. And for pointing out the obvious it is politically incorrect and the charges fly.
This is why so many people cannot stand PC stuff because the basic common sense observations they are told are INVALID not for any legitimate reason except ...well except they are told to just accept them. Or to use DC’s comments...to shut the F Up or stand to be criticized for believing one’s lying eyes.
These are Generalization not common sense observations, ALL women are not better than ALL men at things and vice versa. You could say SOME women are better than SOME men or even MOST but not ALL. Example, willing to bet anyone in the WNB or women’s college basketball is superior to you in basketball.
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It ought to be obvious to anyone with a dozen functioning brain cells that these players are being rated relative to their competition. If not, there's zero chance any pre-80s (90s?) player would make it. Today's players are just too much bigger/faster/stronger.
But leave it to the resident aggreived dude to spin a clickbait article into everything that's wrong with the world today because it (gasp!) treats women athletes with respect.
Imagine how fragile one's masculinity must be to let that bother you. Most guys like that just buy a big truck or a lot of guns.
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It ought to be obvious to anyone with a dozen functioning brain cells that these players are being rated relative to their competition. If not, there's zero chance any pre-80s (90s?) player would make it. Today's players are just too much bigger/faster/stronger.
But leave it to the resident aggreived dude to spin a clickbait article into everything that's wrong with the world today because it (gasp!) treats women athletes with respect.
Imagine how fragile one's masculinity must be to let that bother you. Most guys like that just buy a big truck or a lot of guns.
Then title it different.
Best player in the state is best player in the state....anyone with a dozen functioning brain cells can read what it says and the PC output that defies what it said.