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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on December 04, 2019, 10:03:57 PM
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1. Koby, slow down and calm down. You hurt your team tonight.
2. So much sloppiness and carelessness.
3. This would have been the night to go to the zone.
4. I loved seeing MU playing physically. I wish they would be smarter with it.
5. Because stupid fouls kept us from seeing what Symir could have done in 20 minutes. The ball moved really well when he was on the court. He looks very comfortable with the ball.
6. I found myself wondering who would be on the floor at the end due to attrition.
7. I guess Greg is in good enough shape to play big minutes. Phew.
8. Cain played well in extended minutes. Good to see him and Bailey together.
9. Bigs all had nice moments against a smaller team.
10. Thank goodness it was a cupcake.
11. Markus looks like he will be ready Saturday. He was missed.
12. No flow to this game. Tough to watch at times
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13. Turn on the DePaul game instead.
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Eastern Time Zone. Up for work in 6 hours. I don't stay up for DePaul.
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We tried to do a lot of different things tonight. Much of that led to sloppy play and turnovers. Probably not as concerned about many of them because they were testing things out.
Glad to see the team working the ball inside. Doing that will take the pressure off shooters and provide a more balanced attack.
Finally, I really wonder how hurt Markus was and whether Coach Wojo was using tonight to try to see, "what if..." Big risk if it didn't work but everyone stepped up nicely.
On to Manhattan and let's win there!
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Koby ended up 1 for 8, 3 turnovers and 5 fouls.
Last five games he is 7 for 37 (18%). That includes Robert Morris and Jacksonville games, not good. Something better start clicking with him soon, like before Saturday.
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Games like this hurt your seeding in March. Not in isolation, but when combined with blowout losses, any wins by less than the projected margin hurt you. We should've won that by 30+. That second half was as bad as any half this season. Every possession matters in the NET.
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Love how we moved the ball majority of the game. Not complaining but only 3 assists in the 2nd half
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Symir is a nice passer. He's behind defensively but he had at least two or three perfect kicks for wide open threes that were missed. I think the more opportunities he gets to shoot he will be a nice scorer too.
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Liked the look of Symir. Our bigs will not have many such moments vs. higher-caliber teams.
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I would have liked to have seen more of Symir. Too bad he got a couple of fouls when he couldn't stay in front of his man.
Koby is obviously pressing and frustrated. Getting the guy who torched Purdue back -- or at least a reasonable facsimile thereof -- is one of the most important things to accomplish in the remaining non-con games.
Otherwise, I'm mostly positive about what I saw from a group that played without a first-team All-American, played much of the second half without a PG at all, and ground out a win. Especially liked Cain, Sacar, Theo, Jayce, some Elliott and the confidence Symir showed offensively when he was out there.
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Wojo said in the postgame. 2nd half was terrible.
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Games like this hurt your seeding in March. Not in isolation, but when combined with blowout losses, any wins by less than the projected margin hurt you. We should've won that by 30+. That second half was as bad as any half this season. Every possession matters in the NET.
We were projected to win by 19.5 before Markus got hurt. We won by 19 after Markus got hurt. I don't think this is going to move the needle that much come March.
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We were projected to win by 19.5 before Markus got hurt. We won by 19 after Markus got hurt. I don't think this is going to move the needle that much come March.
KenPom had it as a 20 point win. 77-57 🙃
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Games like this hurt your seeding in March. Not in isolation, but when combined with blowout losses, any wins by less than the projected margin hurt you. We should've won that by 30+. That second half was as bad as any half this season. Every possession matters in the NET.
If we have to worry about whether we beat a cupcake by 19 or 20, then we are a loser program.
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We were projected to win by 19.5 before Markus got hurt. We won by 19 after Markus got hurt. I don't think this is going to move the needle that much come March.
And that's the point. It should be able to move the needle.
Alone? No. But we have had some awful halves that have hurt our kenpom ranking. Since Purdue, the second half against Wisconsin, all of Robert Morris, first against Maryland, and second tonight have hurt us in the metrics. Despite big wins against USC and Davidson, we have fallen 15 spots.
And what metric does the NET most closely mimic? Kenpom? What metric did last year's seeds most closely mimic? The NET. Margins matter. Every possession matters. Big losses & narrow wins hurt our resume last year. This is a bad recipe for a team that should be hoping for a path to the second weekend.
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Games like this hurt your seeding in March. Not in isolation, but when combined with blowout losses, any wins by less than the projected margin hurt you. We should've won that by 30+. That second half was as bad as any half this season. Every possession matters in the NET.
We’ll be fine.
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Win 20 games total an 10 in the BE and margins dont mean 💩
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Koby ended up 1 for 8, 3 turnovers and 5 fouls.
Last five games he is 7 for 37 (18%). That includes Robert Morris and Jacksonville games, not good. Something better start clicking with him soon, like before Saturday.
Always better to be better.
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2 PG's with 4 assists each. I'd like to see 3 with 5 each... but this is still good.
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And that's the point. It should be able to move the needle.
Alone? No. But we have had some awful halves that have hurt our kenpom ranking. Since Purdue, the second half against Wisconsin, all of Robert Morris, first against Maryland, and second tonight have hurt us in the metrics. Despite big wins against USC and Davidson, we have fallen 15 spots.
And what metric does the NET most closely mimic? Kenpom? What metric did last year's seeds most closely mimic? The NET. Margins matter. Every possession matters. Big losses & narrow wins hurt our resume last year. This is a bad recipe for a team that should be hoping for a path to the second weekend.
It’s fine. You worry too much about the small stuff. The problem is the continued sloppiness. Not the small impact on NET.
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It’s fine. You worry too much about the small stuff. The problem is the continued sloppiness. Not the small impact on NET.
The small stuff becomes big when you do it repeatedly. And the continued sloppiness is what has led directly to that impact.
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Love how we moved the ball majority of the game. Not complaining but only 3 assists in the 2nd half
Thought we moved the ball pretty well in the first half. The second half it seemed like we decided it was time to either drive into traffic or chuck up a three.
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The foul trouble took the two point guards off the floor for an extended period. Well, Koby took Koby off the floor for extended periods. Greg and Sacar had to initiate offense, something neither has done much of. And then some just silly, careless turnovers. Of course the assists were down in the second half.
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Goodness, some of you doomsayers must think we didn't win convincingly. ::)
Koby had a poor night. And I'm not talking about his shooting. He's an upperclassman. Act like it son.
Jamal, Brendan, Sy, and Jayce all played well in expanded roles. Sacar was solid playing multiple positions as the alpha dog. The second half was a foul prone slop fest where guys were playing out of position because of foul trouble. We've consistently seen too many whistles this season. I hope it settles down.
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Goodness, some of you doomsayers must think we didn't win convincingly. ::)
Koby had a poor night. And I'm not talking about his shooting. He's an upperclassman. Act like it son.
Jamal, Brendan, Sy, and Jayce all played well in expanded roles. Sacar was solid playing multiple positions as the alpha dog. The second half was a foul prone slop fest where guys were playing out of position because of foul trouble. We've consistently seen too many whistles this season. I hope it settles down.
In 3 paragraphs, you summarized the situations nicely.
Need Koby to be better and smarter. Need Markus back. Go Marquette!
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The small stuff becomes big when you do it repeatedly. And the continued sloppiness is what has led directly to that impact.
The point is that I’m not going to lose sleep about what minuscule affect that game had in NET. I’m going to worry about how we looked and how it impacts on court results moving forward.
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I simply don't think we can conclude much of anything based on what happened in the Jacksonville game.
Everything we do offensively revolves around the nation's leading scorer, who didn't play.
Sacar stepped up, but he also has done that when Markus has played. Koby struggled, but he also has done that when Markus has played. Cain impacted the game with his energy and athletic ability, but he also has done that when Markus has played. Etc, etc, etc.
The one thing I wish we could have seen more of was Symir's game, but fouls torpedoed his opportunity to play 25+ minutes. What we did see was a guy who has a pretty nice offensive feel. I saw enough to continue believing he has a bright future. That's the main thing I'm taking from this game.
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I simply don't think we can conclude much of anything based on what happened in the Jacksonville game.
Everything we do offensively revolves around the nation's leading scorer, who didn't play.
Sacar stepped up, but he also has done that when Markus has played. Koby struggled, but he also has done that when Markus has played. Cain impacted the game with his energy and athletic ability, but he also has done that when Markus has played. Etc, etc, etc.
The one thing I wish we could have seen more of was Symir's game, but fouls torpedoed his opportunity to play 25+ minutes. What we did see was a guy who has a pretty nice offensive feel. I saw enough to continue believing he has a bright future. That's the main thing I'm taking from this game.
I said after watching him play about 3 minutes in his first game (which is like 4 years in Scoop time) that he was by far the truest PG on the roster. Just needs to learn his defensive rotations and to defend without fouling and he'll earn a lot of minutes.
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I said after watching him play about 3 minutes in his first game (which is like 4 years in Scoop time) that he was by far the truest PG on the roster. Just needs to learn his defensive rotations and to defend without fouling and he'll earn a lot of minutes.
agree. Offensively, Symir seems to.be there. Nice rotation on his.shot, great ball movement. 4 assists, 0 turnovers in 14 minutes. Defensively, he looked like a freshman, 8 games in to his career.
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Bigs 8-13, 25 points. Obviously more shots to go around without Markus, but that's the kind of line I'd like to see more consistently.
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Symir is a nice passer. He's behind defensively but he had at least two or three perfect kicks for wide open threes that were missed. I think the more opportunities he gets to shoot he will be a nice scorer too.
I noticed that too about Symir’s passing. His passes are much crisper and more on target than most. I was surprised at how distinct the difference was for a basic skill. It seems to be instinctual with him.
I thought we looked pretty good overall in the first half, but the inability to guard even a team like Jacksonville without fouling and the repeated careless turnovers are somewhat alarming. These appear to be ingrained habits that are not easily rectified. At some point, when the margin for error is smaller I suspect the lineups will be tightened and minutes will become scarce for those who continue to struggle in these areas. The problem is these particular issues are widespread. I have no problem with trying to have guys work through it when it isn’t going to cost us wins.
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Bigs 8-13, 25 points. Obviously more shots to go around without Markus, but that's the kind of line I'd like to see more consistently.
Someone said it would be a good time to feed the bigs to try to get them going, and they were right. Hard to tell given the level of competition, but they looked somewhat better. Ten FTs for Theo, and they also totaled 15 rebounds. Hope that can continue against better competition.
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I said after watching him play about 3 minutes in his first game (which is like 4 years in Scoop time) that he was by far the truest PG on the roster. Just needs to learn his defensive rotations and to defend without fouling and he'll earn a lot of minutes.
These are the exact same thoughts I had. He has some things to learn/improve on defensively as a true freshman, but offensively things looked real good to me last night. I'm excited for where he's headed.
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Someone said it would be a good time to feed the bigs to try to get them going, and they were right. Hard to tell given the level of competition, but they looked somewhat better. Ten FTs for Theo, and they also totaled 15 rebounds. Hope that can continue against better competition.
That was me, I was happy the bigs got some work in on offense. David Bell is not great by any stretch but he is a very good low major center, averaging a double double and over 2 blocks a game. Held him to 6 and 6 and 2/6 shooting.