"There's a lot of noise for Markus and he's tried to change so I asked him to change back and he did" - Wojo
;D ;D ;D
Unironically +1 for coaching
Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 28, 2019, 07:53:03 PM
"There's a lot of noise for Markus and he's tried to change so I asked him to change back and he did" - Wojo
I'm not saying that's the only way they can win, but when they're getting nothing from Koby, it might be the only way they can win.
Wojo should ask Ed to turn back into the player he was when he was in the Big 10.
Wow, what a quote! No one else scoring, so why not Markus?! Wow will we miss him next year. Need some shooters. He got to the rim and hit threes. Awesome
Quote from: Mutaman on November 28, 2019, 07:59:49 PM
Wojo should ask Ed to turn back into the player he was when he was in the Big 10.
Nice. That was great.
What's the noise? He's the coach, the Hausers left, why are they worried about Scoop etc?
That quote is concerning.
Translation: "Please make a bunch of shots to keep me from looking bad. Again."
Quote from: The Lens on November 28, 2019, 08:21:30 PM
What's the noise? He's the coach, the Hausers left, why are they worried about Scoop etc?
That quote is concerning.
Only if you dissect it, analyze it letter by letter, and then attempt to put it back together.
Don't worry about it.
Translation: We are trying to make Markus a more complete player. Today, I told him to take over.
Howard is a great scorer. He's also the reason this team stinks.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 28, 2019, 08:29:12 PM
Howard is a great scorer. He's also the reason this team stinks.
Yup. He's the reason.
Lmao
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 28, 2019, 08:29:12 PM
Howard is a great scorer. He's also the reason this team stinks.
PRN with yet another bad basketball thought.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 28, 2019, 08:29:12 PM
Howard is a great scorer. He's also the reason this team stinks.
Find a new slant
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 28, 2019, 08:29:12 PM
Howard is a great scorer. He's also the reason this team stinks.
Butch hates you
Ive said it since day one, this year this team Markus needs to shoot 30 times a game. A bad Markus shot is still the best shot our team has.
If other players start showing something then maybe that can change but until then. Not sure how many games this team can win with kobe going 0 fer with half of them being layups.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 28, 2019, 08:39:05 PM
Ive said it since day one, this year this team Markus needs to shoot 30 times a game. A bad Markus shot is still the best shot our team has.
If other players start showing something then maybe that can change but until then. Not sure how many games this team can win with kobe going 0 fer with half of them being layups.
30 is extreme.
But I agree. In any game vs a team with a pulse, we have to live with the potential of him going 6/23
Beyond Markus, we got not much.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 28, 2019, 08:30:46 PM
PRN with yet another bad basketball thought.
Not sure I'd actually call it a thought.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 28, 2019, 08:29:12 PM
Howard is a great scorer. He's also the reason this team stinks.
Take quake
i asked during game 1 who else can score. I now say Markus needs to score 30+ for this team to do anything. That does not mean him force bad shots.
THe key play to me in the game was his drive and dish to Sacar. Those are winning plays and open things up for everyone
I saw some flashes of promise from Bailey.
Quote from: injuryBug on November 28, 2019, 08:52:41 PM
i asked during game 1 who else can score. I now say Markus needs to score 30+ for this team to do anything. That does not mean him force bad shots.
THe key play to me in the game was his drive and dish to Sacar. Those are winning plays and open things up for everyone
Markus scored 18 against Purdue.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 28, 2019, 08:29:12 PM
Howard is a great scorer. He's also the reason this team stinks.
I'd say it's more on the roster the head coach assembled around him but yeah, this team does stink.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 28, 2019, 08:39:05 PM
Ive said it since day one, this year this team Markus needs to shoot 30 times a game. A bad Markus shot is still the best shot our team has.
If other players start showing something then maybe that can change but until then. Not sure how many games this team can win with kobe going 0 fer with half of them being layups.
This I agree with 100%. I have told friends that this year, I WANT Markus jacking shots, as many as he can. Even if it's bad, like you said, it's still the best shot the team has. It's sad no one else has stepped up yet...but until then...fire away Markus
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 28, 2019, 08:23:53 PM
Translation: "Please make a bunch of shots to keep me from looking bad. Again."
This sums it up right here.
The fact it took 40 from Markus, and 38 trips to the FT line for us to eek out a win versus a marginal Davidson team on a historically bad shooting night for them? Doesn't bode well. Sure would be nice if we could scheme some good looks offensively, versus having to rely primarily on step back 23 footers to win.
Silver linings are defense looks good, Bailey and Cain flashing some improvement.
Good God Ners sucks.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 28, 2019, 08:30:02 PM
Yup. He's the reason.
Lmao
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The actual reason wears a tie on the sideline and refuses to acknowledge his weaknesses and limitations.]
I wonder if Wojo's quote is the transition away from the idea that there will be a reliable 2nd and/or 3rd scorer behind Markus and the Markus should work to get them going. And that Markus needs to show that he can be a playmaker for his future career. With no one else showing that they will be a clear number 2, why not let Markus just let it fly?
5 games in - this team gets better and better is what I'm banking on
My thanksgiving will be complete once cheeks tells me all about Jayce's phenomenal potential.
Quote from: tower912 on November 28, 2019, 08:27:38 PM
Translation: We are trying to make Markus a more complete player. Today, I told him to take over.
Thank you, tower. So obvious, yet some miss it.
Against quality teams, the Warriors need big offensive production from Markus and McEwen. Tonight, McEwen couldn't buy a bucket, and aside from Sacar (and Bailey on a couple of plays), no other Warrior showed any offensive pulse. So Wojo said: "The game is yours, Markus."
If McEwen was having even a somewhat-below-average game, we win this game fairly easily. But he didn't. So again, Markus had go video-game mode.
Those reading any more into what Wojo said simply want to rip either him, Markus or both.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 28, 2019, 08:39:05 PM
Ive said it since day one, this year this team Markus needs to shoot 30 times a game. A bad Markus shot is still the best shot our team has.
If other players start showing something then maybe that can change but until then. Not sure how many games this team can win with kobe going 0 fer with half of them being layups.
I don't know about 30 shots a game, but you and I actually agree on the general idea of this, MSK. How 'bout that?!?!
After Markus took and missed a high-degree-of-difficulty shot midway through the second half, my wife asked, "Why is he doing that?" And I said, "Because pretty much everybody else is struggling tonight, so any shot by Markus is better than what might be considered a 'good' shot by somebody else."
That will be the case more than a few times this season.
Still, it seems folks are already forgetting how very good McEwen was against Purdue. Tonight, he just had one of those nights where nothing would fall.
Maybe PRN was on to it here re the noise:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59379.msg1174923#msg1174923
It's impressive how people find a way to complain even after wins on this board. Especially on thanksgiving nonetheless.
Quote from: Shark on November 28, 2019, 10:14:05 PM
It's impressive how people find a way to complain even after wins on this board. Especially on thanksgiving nonetheless.
Winner.
Quote from: Shark on November 28, 2019, 10:14:05 PM
It's impressive how people find a way to complain even after wins on this board. Especially on thanksgiving nonetheless.
Yep if we win obviously there's no legit concerns to bring up. Cant even mention that no one besides markus stepped up on offense and that is a real concern. Just ridiculous
Rob Dauster was right about Marquette fans.
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 28, 2019, 08:56:47 PM
I'd say it's more on the roster the head coach assembled around him but yeah, this team does stink.
The roster was fine and then the Hausers left......impossible to replace their production that late in the cycle.
For years everybody complained that we didn't guard......it was fair....people said it was the coach....some said the roster was the main culprit.....the roster changed and the defense got much better...we held a very good offensive team to .84 ppp tonight.......we are 4-1 playing ugly .....wins over Purdue and Davidson .....
If your expectations are to see offense like we have seen the last 3 years you might as well stop watching now. It isn't happening this season.
Greg still trying to find his way back to form.....and Koby looking for consistency.
Scoop never fails to disappoint after hard fought wins that aren't aesthetically pleasing.
Ps Auburn beat this team by 10 on a neutral court... they must stink too....
Quote from: Pakuni on November 28, 2019, 10:33:10 PM
Rob Dauster was right about Marquette fans.
Try reading the game thread without puking. Nothing but negative Nancy's bitching their way through. It's grotesque.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 28, 2019, 08:29:12 PM
Howard is a great scorer. He's also the reason this team stinks.
Ya theyd win so many more games without him. Idiot
Quote from: MuMark on November 28, 2019, 10:40:16 PM
If your expectations are to see offense like we have seen the last 3 years you might as well stop watching now. It isn't happening this season.
Not my expectations at all, I'd settle for competence from guys other than Markus. Everyone seems to be waiting for a bunch of average guys to make a leap. I'd love to be proven wrong.
Quote from: MuMark on November 28, 2019, 10:40:16 PM
The roster was fine and then the Hausers left......impossible to replace their production that late in the cycle.
For years everybody complained that we didn't guard......it was fair....people said it was the coach....some said the roster was the main culprit.....the roster changed and the defense got much better...we held a very good offensive team to .84 ppp tonight.......we are 4-1 playing ugly .....wins over Purdue and Davidson .....
If your expectations are to see offense like we have seen the last 3 years you might as well stop watching now. It isn't happening this season.
Greg still trying to find his way back to form.....and Koby looking for consistency.
Scoop never fails to disappoint after hard fought wins that aren't aesthetically pleasing.
Ps Auburn beat this team by 10 on a neutral court... they must stink too....
Totally agree we play good defense, the rebounding could improve, but the defense is really solid. If we could just get some offense going we could be pretty good, its early n can only get better. Thankfully we dont have to score 90 this year to win like many times in the past.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 28, 2019, 08:29:12 PM
Howard is a great scorer. He's also the reason this team stinks.
That's what the All-America voters said...wait, no - I mean the All-Big East Voters...wait, no - I guess it's only you.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on November 28, 2019, 11:08:02 PM
That's what the All-America voters said...wait, no - I mean the All-Big East Voters...wait, no - I guess it's only you.
He's got inside information about how much every other player hates Markus.
Which obviously explains why all of them decided to stay after Markus announced he was staying and the Hausers announced they were leaving.
Quote from: Johnny B on November 28, 2019, 10:18:34 PM
Yep if we win obviously there's no legit concerns to bring up. Cant even mention that no one besides markus stepped up on offense and that is a real concern. Just ridiculous
Well it would be ridiculous any other night of the year, but as the fellow pointed out it was Thanksgiving.
Quote from: MuMark on November 28, 2019, 10:40:16 PM
For years everybody complained that we didn't guard......it was fair....people said it was the coach....some said the roster was the main culprit.....the roster changed and the defense got much better...we held a very good offensive team to .84 ppp tonight.......we are 4-1 playing ugly .....wins over Purdue and Davidson .....
Our bar is now patting ourselves on the back after an ugly win over a 2-4 Davidson team? Yikes.
How was this win ugly? The spread was -2.5. We won by 10.
Quote from: TAMU Garcia on November 29, 2019, 01:00:55 AM
How was this win ugly? The spread was -2.5. We won by 10.
You watched the game, right? This was not pretty basketball. The final outcome was great, but I think our team is capable of playing much better than they did today.
Quote from: TAMU Garcia on November 29, 2019, 01:00:55 AM
How was this win ugly? The spread was -2.5. We won by 10.
The game was very clearly ugly.
The issue here is people are acting like the outcome itself was ugly. Talking about how sad it is to let a team like Davidson play us tight and it never should of been that close. Dismissing the defense because its Davidson etc...
And as you stated, the sharps had us as 1 Davidson 3 from losing.
It was ugly offense today. But the end result showed we could still do better than projected.
Quote from: skianth16 on November 29, 2019, 01:06:13 AM
You watched the game, right? This was not pretty basketball. The final outcome was great, but I think our team is capable of playing much better than they did today.
Why does it matter if it was not pretty as long as we also made it not pretty for our opponent?
I agree the team is capable of playing much better than they did today but overall I think they played pretty well. If we beat the spread by 7.5 more nights than not, we are going to have a pretty good season.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 28, 2019, 11:02:10 PM
Totally agree we play good defense, the rebounding could improve, but the defense is really solid. If we could just get some offense going we could be pretty good, its early n can only get better. Thankfully we dont have to score 90 this year to win like many times in the past.
Agree as well. It's good that we are finally playing multiple games close together instead of once a week. The supporting cast needs to get some rhythm and confidence. I like Bailey and Cain getting confidence. Koby performance last night will hopefully be just a blip on the radar. Keep playing tough D until the offense becomes average to above average and we should be ok.
This is not going to be a transformative year on the court but that doesn't mean it has to be a disaster. I don't give a crap how we get in the NCAAs. Just get in and try to win a game. Mission accomplished. Bring on a new era with fresh recruits.
Quote from: TAMU Garcia on November 29, 2019, 01:50:12 AM
Why does it matter if it was not pretty as long as we also made it not pretty for our opponent?
I agree the team is capable of playing much better than they did today but overall I think they played pretty well. If we beat the spread by 7.5 more nights than not, we are going to have a pretty good season.
Markus will get us some wins this season, but I do have to wonder where will our scoring come from next year. I do not expect Dawson to put up Markus' numbers.
I hope they get rid of the flop rule, just don't call a foul. It was a good charging foul when Sacar was outside the arc, but they could have called a flop against him as well; very confusing for the players and the refs.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on November 29, 2019, 06:29:05 AM
Markus will get us some wins this season, but I do have to wonder where will our scoring come from next year. I do not expect Dawson to put up Markus' numbers.
I hope they get rid of the flop rule, just don't call a foul. It was a good charging foul when Sacar was outside the arc, but they could have called a flop against him as well; very confusing for the players and the refs.
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/q-a-with-five-star-karim-mane-what-s-next-nba-or-college-
"Marquette: For them, it is basically come in and play then role that Markus Howard is going to leave."
I hope Mane sees the shots & role are there for the taking
Quote from: muwarrior69 on November 29, 2019, 06:29:05 AM
Markus will get us some wins this season, but I do have to wonder where will our scoring come from next year. I do not expect Dawson to put up Markus' numbers.
I hope they get rid of the flop rule, just don't call a foul. It was a good charging foul when Sacar was outside the arc, but they could have called a flop against him as well; very confusing for the players and the refs.
I'll worry about next year, next year. For now, I am going to enjoy one of the all-time greats and look for improvement from some other key guys.
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 28, 2019, 10:49:16 PM
Not my expectations at all, I'd settle for competence from guys other than Markus. Everyone seems to be waiting for a bunch of average guys to make a leap. I'd love to be proven wrong.
Unfortunately, you are correct...I said this at the time the Hauser's left that it was my biggest concern for this year...now you have guys that should have been good role players this year(Jamal, Greg etc) being asked to play more prominent roles as more "main" pieces than what they would have normally been asked to had the Hauser's not left. In order for that to be effective they we all would want it to be, those guys were going to have to take massive leaps in the offseason. That just wasn't going to happen, unfortunately.
They are what they are and let's hope as the season goes on, guys get more comfortable with their roles, maximize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses. The key IMO going forward is going to be Sacar..he's a 5th year Senior, it's time for him to step up(like he did to some extent last night) and do it night in and night out offensively. If he can find that consistency, it will change the offense dramatically I think.
Also, I know MU can't do anything about who they play in these tournaments, but it always seems like they get matched up with teams that play SLOW. That isn't a good matchup for MU. Under Wojo, most of the time, they struggle in half court offense. You see it against UW etc. They are much better against teams that play more wide open and a faster pace, like a Creighton type. So far this year everyone MU has played, plays slow...like sloth type slow. Purdue, UW, Robert Morris, Davidson. Today should look different. USC is the fastest tempo team they have played this year. I bet we see a better offensive performance from MU today.
Still though, I share a lot of people disappointment in that I really thought defensively this year MU would play a little differently as far as trapping, pressing(they did a little loose pressure last night) and forcing more turnovers. When your offense is struggling, sometimes the best way to fix it in the moment is to try to get as many easy baskets as you can. The best, most effective way of doing that is with your defense..pressure, force turnovers, and fast break. We haven't seen that and I'm not sure why. They have the length and athletes to do it this year finally. That would be especially useful going forward as if you have watched Seton hall this year, they have had MAJOR issues with full court pressure. That's how Oregon beat them, that's how Michigan State came back and beat them. Hopefully, Wojo is holding on to it and we see more of it as the season goes on, especially opponent specific.
Full court pressing, trapping, etc. is inherently a weaker defense. Don't want to give up easy baskets when your half court defense is going just fine.
This is why coaches like Mike Anderson and Shaka have moved away from 100% mayhem.
Quote from: TAMU Garcia on November 29, 2019, 01:50:12 AM
Why does it matter if it was not pretty as long as we also made it not pretty for our opponent?
I agree the team is capable of playing much better than they did today but overall I think they played pretty well. If we beat the spread by 7.5 more nights than not, we are going to have a pretty good season.
Great points. I'm sure Davidson fans thought the game was ugly too, which is a compliment to our defense.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on November 29, 2019, 06:29:05 AM
I hope they get rid of the flop rule, just don't call a foul. It was a good charging foul when Sacar was outside the arc, but they could have called a flop against him as well; very confusing for the players and the refs.
I like the flop rule. Doesn't harm the game in any way and will likely get rid of a part of the game I hate.
There were probably 2 earlier plays where a flop could have been called, resulting in a technical, but they were not egregious flops. In both cases, the refs held their whistle. The last one was egregious. And it was called. That is like how they will treat this all season, and if so, I have no problem with it and welcome the change.
Quote from: jonny09 on November 28, 2019, 09:11:03 PM
My thanksgiving will be complete once cheeks tells me all about Jayce's phenomenal potential.
Something I never said. He is doing exactly what I expect of him. Grabbing rebounds, setting picks, giving Ed and Theo a break when they are in foul trouble. I hope you had a good Thanksgiving.
Loved the grit the team displayed in staying in the game despite offensive struggles from most players. Loved Markus taking over. Loved our perimeter defense. The main disappointment for me was that Davidson got into the lane via the drive a little too easily most of the night. Theo actually was plus-12 in only 10 minutes of play, but when he was out of the game it often was layup city.
I know some of that was because we were determined to run them off the 3-point line, but Bailey and Markus also were getting beaten off the dribble most of the night. Sacar did better in the second half. I really thought Cain did the best by far against Grady, and I was glad Wojo ended up giving him 20 minutes.
Without putting up gaudy numbers, Cain has had a nice season for us so far by accepting his role and playing it well. For example, last night he had 7 rebs, made his only FGA, had no TOs and played solid man-to-man D. I'll take that every game from him.
Quote from: LloydsLegs on November 28, 2019, 10:44:06 PM
Try reading the game thread without puking. Nothing but negative Nancy's bitching their way through. It's grotesque.
I refuse to even go into that thing because of the vermin soaked crap I have no doubt permeated until the end.
Quote from: skianth16 on November 29, 2019, 01:06:13 AM
You watched the game, right? This was not pretty basketball. The final outcome was great, but I think our team is capable of playing much better than they did today.
Which can safely be said about 99% of teams currently in November, right?
Lots of ugly basketball being played all over the country this season.
I've watched a lot of it.
Quote from: MuMark on November 29, 2019, 11:29:51 AM
Lots of ugly basketball being played all over the country this season.
I've watched a lot of it.
Yup.
Duke, UNC, Virginia, Texas Tech all may be better than us but they all appear to have their worst overall teams in a few years. Even Gonzaga who is currently undefeated and about to play for a title today looks a little less potent with a less stellar back court than normal.
MSU hasnt played up to early standards. Kansas has been pretty good but struggle shooting. UK lost to evansville. Maryland looking vulnerable for the second straight game vs a mid major.
There is not a single team where right now you can feel confident looking them into a final 4.
Quote from: skianth16 on November 29, 2019, 12:16:59 AM
Our bar is now patting ourselves on the back after an ugly win over a 2-4 Davidson team? Yikes.
Not patting anyone on the back. Just pointing out that at the end of the season you are trying to rack up as many Quad 1 and 2 wins as possible. Davidson will likely fall into the quad 2 category.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 29, 2019, 12:09:56 PM
Duke, UNC, Virginia, Texas Tech all may be better than us but they all appear to have their worst overall teams in a few years. Even Gonzaga who is currently undefeated and about to play for a title today looks a little less potent with a less stellar back court than normal.
MSU hasnt played up to early standards. Kansas has been pretty good but struggle shooting. UK lost to evansville. Maryland looking vulnerable for the second straight game vs a mid major.
There is not a single team where right now you can feel confident looking them into a final 4.
Agree with this ... and why wouldn't everybody? It's a fact.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 28, 2019, 08:29:12 PM
Howard is a great scorer. He's also the reason this team stinks.
The announcers of the Texas A&M game mentioned how well liked Markus is by his teammates, how respected and grounded he is. If the team fights for Markus and themselves, they will do well.