1. Markus
2. Everything and everyone else.
3. Glad the fouls reset for tomorrow
4. Davidson unable to hit a 3 while Koby unable to hit anything just about offset.
5. Moving on.
Is it weird that I'd be ok if we had 13 TO's every game this season? Maybe I just have PTSD from the last 2 games...
Davidson average 9 made three games per game. Marquette held them to zero.
Quote from: DJO's Jaw on November 28, 2019, 07:33:23 PM
Is it weird that I'd be ok if we had 13 TO's every game this season? Maybe I just have PTSD from the last 2 games...
13 TOs isnt great but its definitely surviveable
Ugly in every regard for both teams - a grind out win will help us I hope going forward - rims there stink
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on November 28, 2019, 07:35:58 PM
Davidson average 9 made three games per game. Marquette held them to zero.
We should have done the same thing defensively (run them off the line) against Wisconsin.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 28, 2019, 07:37:08 PM
13 TOs isnt great but its definitely surviveable
Against a powerhouse like Davidson...
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on November 28, 2019, 07:39:39 PM
Against a powerhouse like Davidson...
Davidson has been good at forcing turnovers this year
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on November 28, 2019, 07:39:39 PM
Against a powerhouse like Davidson...
You're probably new to college basketball but the fundamentals have been a Davidson staple under Mckillop.
They usually take care of the ball, slow the game down, make shots and make free throws.
SO yeah, considering we limited pretty much all of that...we did something right.
Just can't score outside Markus
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on November 28, 2019, 07:39:39 PM
Against a powerhouse like Davidson...
You could do something crazy and give MU credit for holding that powerhouse Davidson to 0 3 point shots made.
DU missed 32 shots. Marquette gave up only 6 offensive rebounds.
Forced DU into 17 TO's when they avg 10.8
0-15 from 3 is lucky in some respects, but also some good defense.
Got little to nothing from our 3 headed BIG monster (although they did have 10 boards) and still won.
Jamal Cain with 7 rebounds tonight.
Kennedy is a terrible announcer. But he was right that putting the ball in Markus' hands was a smart move.
MU wins. 40 of 73 by Marcus. Incredible. Or incredulous lol. He is amazing and carries a lot of water for the team. Glad we win. Hopefully we get better and better.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 28, 2019, 07:42:20 PM
You're probably new to college basketball but the fundamentals have been a Davidson staple under Mckillop.
They usually take care of the ball, slow the game down, make shots and make free throws.
SO yeah, considering we limited pretty much all of that...we did something right.
Just can't score outside Markus
Yeah. 40 years new to college basketball...
Turnovers have been a staple of Wojo-era MU teams. One of the points of frustration.
So... When someone says 13 t/o are survivable, I tend to disagree. That number against a higher quality opponent and no way we win.
- Great Markus game
- Nice to beat a better coached team
- MU has no coherent offense
- I'm pretty convinced Ed Morrow plays for the other team. On offense he's like a 6th defender and on defense he's like an open gate
- so many difficult shots... why can't MU have an offense that creates a few easy shots
- Nice spurt from BB, Jamal was positive too
- Another ugly win, but still a win
Yeah, kind of the only take away from this game is when Markis goes God mode we win. But we already knew that. Interestested in seeing how the rest of the weekend plays out
Glad to get a win, stay in the winner's bracket. Find a way tomorrow to beat SC, and then matchup with Maryland.
Our defense is very good.
Quote from: WarriorFan on November 28, 2019, 07:51:12 PM
- Great Markus game
- Nice to beat a better coached team
- MU has no coherent offense
- I'm pretty convinced Ed Morrow plays for the other team. On offense he's like a 6th defender and on defense he's like an open gate
- so many difficult shots... why can't MU have an offense that creates a few easy shots
- Nice spurt from BB, Jamal was positive too
- Another ugly win, but still a win
They have an offense. They're trying to get drivers into the lane and to the basket. But they're just not getting there quick enough. And outside of Markus, they aren't hitting shots.
I liked seeing both Sacar and Koby run that curl drive around the double screen at the foul line. Would have liked to see Koby make one even more.
I was surprised Davidson did not do a hack-a-Jayce.
Insane they didnt make a 3. First time in 25 years.. just crazy
I like the new anti-flop rule.
Quote from: Johnny B on November 28, 2019, 08:03:53 PM
Insane they didnt make a 3. First time in 25 years.. just crazy
Wait, they didn't make a 3? Why didn't the announcers ever mention that?
i think i heard one or more of these refs had final four experience...if so, they called this one like a high school game-both sides
They went 800 plus straight games making a three and we held them to zero threes. Lucky but also our defense is solid. Some of their transition buckets were from taking away the three
Quote from: DJO's Jaw on November 28, 2019, 08:10:08 PM
Wait, they didn't make a 3? Why didn't the announcers ever mention that?
I believe they did. Even showed a stat when the last time Davidson didn't make a three in a game.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on November 28, 2019, 08:18:06 PM
I believe they did. Even showed a stat when the last time Davidson didn't make a three in a game.
I should have used teal...
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on November 28, 2019, 08:18:06 PM
I believe they did. Even showed a stat when the last time Davidson didn't make a three in a game.
i think he was kidding...they were trying so hard to get a 3 to fall for them. you know, like "they never miss" i was ready to strangle the dudes thru the tv
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on November 28, 2019, 08:08:29 PM
I like the new anti-flop rule.
I don't like it at all. It slows the game down, creates a scoring opportunity for the team when it shouldn't and gives more subjective calls to the ref. They should just play on. If you want to lay on the ground and pretend your fouled as the other team goes on a fast break than go ahead.
Quote from: BallBoy on November 28, 2019, 08:24:32 PM
I don't like it at all. It slows the game down, creates a scoring opportunity for the team when it shouldn't and gives more subjective calls to the ref. They should just play on. If you want to lay on the ground and pretend your fouled as the other team goes on a fast break than go ahead.
Wouldn't need an anti flop rule if refs would simply recognize what a flop is. But I do agree with you.
Quote from: BallBoy on November 28, 2019, 08:24:32 PMThey should just play on. If you want to lay on the ground and pretend your fouled as the other team goes on a fast break than go ahead.
This exactly. Just stop calling them as fouls and players will learn.
Quote from: BallBoy on November 28, 2019, 08:24:32 PM
I don't like it at all. It slows the game down, creates a scoring opportunity for the team when it shouldn't and gives more subjective calls to the ref. They should just play on. If you want to lay on the ground and pretend your fouled as the other team goes on a fast break than go ahead.
yes!!
Quote from: DJO's Jaw on November 28, 2019, 08:21:00 PM
I should have used teal...
Yeah cause saying that on here is going to far. Announcer said it so dont mention it here. It's an incredible stat. I think I can post it here even if alot know. Calm down moron
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401168407
Says here that Davidson did not make a 3. Is that correct. ::)
Quote from: Johnny B on November 28, 2019, 08:30:22 PM
Yeah cause saying that on here is going to far. Announcer said it dont mention it here. It's an incredible stat. I think I can post it here even if alot know. Calm down moron
Your last sentence is hilariously ironic.
Quote from: Johnny B on November 28, 2019, 08:30:22 PM
Yeah cause saying that on here is going to far. Announcer said it so dont mention it here. It's an incredible stat. I think I can post it here even if alot know. Calm down moron
Haha, calm down dude. I was making fun of the announcers, not attacking you
Our offense is very bad, but putting Markus on the ball helped. It also doesn't help when there's a whistle every other possession, whether it be for a foul, travel, flop, or whatever. Just way too many whistles on both sides of the court.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 28, 2019, 08:32:07 PM
Your last sentence is hilariously ironic.
Yeah.. guess I cant argue with ya
Good to see Markus play like an All American. We need him to score for this team to win. What's with the the regression of the other players? Our coaching seems very suspect.
A win, it's true. However, nothing reassuring about the upcoming season. We got Markus, but he gets precious little help.
By BE season they'll be guarding the hell out of him so we damn we'll have options 2 and 3 or it's going to be a long cold winter.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on November 28, 2019, 08:53:03 PM
A win, it's true. However, nothing reassuring about the upcoming season. We got Markus, but he gets precious little help.
By BE season they'll be guarding the hell out of him so we damn we'll have options 2 and 3 or it's going to be a long cold winter.
And by Big East play, MU will have guys who step up. In the meantime, MU is winning games with defense. This was Davidson's 2nd worst Orated game in six years.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 28, 2019, 08:59:47 PM
And by Big East play, MU will have guys who step up. In the meantime, MU is winning games with defense. This was Davidson's 2nd worst Orated game in six years.
This is where I am at. And kind of where I was this time last year after the win against Louisville.
Of the four factors, MU lost eFG% but won on OR%, TO% and especially, FT rate. Free throws (rate) and the game of attrition mattered. This was like a Buzz team tonight: Not great shooters but great grinders. Maybe fans forgot about those times of record number of OT games?
Once the shooting comes around, this team will be very good.
#winorlando
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on November 28, 2019, 08:08:29 PM
I like the new anti-flop rule.
I don't. Stops the game for really no reason and gives refs greater influence over the outcome of the game. The first 2 calls actually helped the offending team by stopping play and allowing them to set up defense off a dead ball. The 3rd arguably influenced the momentum at a critical time.
Flops are used because they work. Stop calling fouls off them and they will go away.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 28, 2019, 09:53:16 PM
Once the shooting comes around, this team will be very good.
#winorlando
I hope yer right, Doc. But I just don't see where that's gonna come from outside of Koby. There are gonna have to be major leaps made by a handful of guys.
Holy crap that game was ugly.
Sorry boys, but just don't think this team is very good. Hope that changes, but I haven't been impressed one single time through 5 games.
Nice 2nd half Markus. Decent game from Sacar I guesS. That's about it.
Reminded me a lot of some of Buzzs games where we play great D and do just enough offensively to win, only real difference is that Markus is far better offensively than any player Buzz had. Buzz got a lot of praise when he won games like this, with people pointing out the toughness required to win this way. Interesting that people aren't giving the same praises to this years team.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 28, 2019, 07:37:08 PM
13 TOs isnt great but its definitely surviveable
Only 5 in second half is pretty solid.
Quote from: Its DJOver on November 28, 2019, 10:51:07 PM
Reminded me a lot of some of Buzzs games where we play great D and do just enough offensively to win, only real difference is that Markus is far better offensively than any player Buzz had. Buzz got a lot of praise when he won games like this, with people pointing out the toughness required to win this way. Interesting that people aren't giving the same praises to this years team.
Solid observation. And one Scooper even went out of the way to say we beat a "better-coached team." Never, ever give credit to Wojo, I guess.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 28, 2019, 10:23:52 PM
I haven't been impressed one single time through 5 games.
You weren't impressed by the second half of the Purdue game? Rough crowd.
Quote from: Ruby on November 28, 2019, 09:55:49 PM
Stops the game for really no reason and gives refs greater influence over the outcome of the game. The first 2 calls actually helped the offending team by stopping play and allowing them to set up defense off a dead ball. The 3rd arguably influenced the momentum at a critical time.
Flops are used because they work. Stop calling fouls off them and they will go away.
Agree big-time with this.
On the first Davidson flop, the call prevented what would have been a 5-on-4 fastbreak for us. On the second, Davidson actually would have gotten the ball had the arrow pointed their way even though the shot was awful and we easily would have had the rebound. So both times, the flops "penalized" the non-flopping team (although it was nice to get the FT on the second).
Quote from: JakeBarnes on November 28, 2019, 09:28:47 PM
This is where I am at. And kind of where I was this time last year after the win against Louisville.
I felt going in that this was very much like that Louisville game -- as close to a "must-win" as we could have in November.
Davidson has struggled out of the gate this year, but I bet they figure it out and go on to have another solid season. When stuff is being tallied up in March, this likely will be considered a good win for Marquette.
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 28, 2019, 10:00:36 PM
I hope yer right, Doc. But I just don't see where that's gonna come from outside of Koby. There are gonna have to be major leaps made by a handful of guys.
Bailey will be instrumental in several wins I think. His fundamentals are too sound. Ball boy gets it and Doc gets it. We got this.
Quote from: Its DJOver on November 28, 2019, 10:51:07 PM
Reminded me a lot of some of Buzzs games where we play great D and do just enough offensively to win, only real difference is that Markus is far better offensively than any player Buzz had. Buzz got a lot of praise when he won games like this, with people pointing out the toughness required to win this way. Interesting that people aren't giving the same praises to this years team.
Get some of your point but Markus is FAR better offensively then any player buzz had??
Jerel, Wes, Dominic, Lazar, Jimmy, Vander can all be argued that they're better overall players then Markus imo.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on November 28, 2019, 11:49:48 PM
Get some of your point but Markus is FAR better offensively then any player buzz had??
Jerel, Wes, Dominic, Lazar, Jimmy, Vander can all be argued that they're better overall players then Markus imo.
Don't disagree with your statement. That's why I said offensively not overall. On the offensive end Markus is the most gifted player since Wade and IMO no one else even comes close.
Quote from: Its DJOver on November 28, 2019, 11:52:50 PM
Don't disagree with your statement. That's why I said offensively not overall. On the offensive end Markus is the most gifted player since Wade and IMO no one else even comes close.
Sorry I need to read better "offensively" is the key. I agree
Happy thanksgiving
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on November 28, 2019, 08:44:58 PM
Good to see Markus play like an All American. We need him to score for this team to win. What's with the the regression of the other players? Our coaching seems very suspect.
My thoughts exactly. Markus is a stud. But when he has an off night or when teams throw 2-3 guys at him to stop him, we're going to have trouble scoring. We just need to pray that he stays healthy and averages about 32 per game this year.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 28, 2019, 07:42:20 PM
You're probably new to college basketball but the fundamentals have been a Davidson staple under Mckillop.
They usually take care of the ball, slow the game down, make shots and make free throws.
SO yeah, considering we limited pretty much all of that...we did something right.
Just can't score outside Markus
Davidson is a decent program. But they're a team we should beat every single time we face them. They're just not at our level, and if we're at a point as a program where we think a win over a .333 Davidson team is a something to hang our hats on, then we've really lowered our expectations.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on November 28, 2019, 07:49:53 PM
Yeah. 40 years new to college basketball...
Turnovers have been a staple of Wojo-era MU teams. One of the points of frustration.
So... When someone says 13 t/o are survivable, I tend to disagree. That number against a higher quality opponent and no way we win.
You need take your hater shades off as you can't see clearly. MU has averaged 12-13TOs a game since 2010 (year of the midgets) who had 10.8. Year before had 11.7. Last year, MU averaged 13.9. In other words, MU has been averaging the same as under Buzz and most likely Crean but I didn't go look.
13 TOs is not bad and when you look at the current top ten. Duke averages 15.7 TOs and the others are in the 11-13 range which means you are arguing at most 1-2 possessions. Most of the Top 10 have been feasting on cupcakes too. Currently, MU is the 38th in tempo meaning they would also have more possessions per game to turn it over.
Early season TOs in basketball are like the holidays, you pack as much as you can in until your New Years resolution kicks in and you cut back.
People have been talking about this being unwatchable. It has nothing to do with the TOs or the offense. Today the refs called 49 fouls. That is almost 1.25/Min. Throw in TV timeouts, free throws and the game barely moved.
Right now, the team is 4-1 and haven't played their best basketball. That is a good thing.
Quote from: skianth16 on November 29, 2019, 12:26:51 AM
Davidson is a decent program. But they're a team we should beat every single time we face them. They're just not at our level, and if we're at a point as a program where we think a win over a .333 Davidson team is a something to hang our hats on, then we've really lowered our expectations.
We should beat one of the A10's best programs every single time??????
Yes, a very ugly win, but a win. Without Markus, this team would end up the year well below .500. So Wojo will need to hang on to Markus' jockstrap as long as it will carry him. And it likely will be a win by the Markus, dies by the Markus season.
Wow. We had 4 assists in that game. I literally had to stare at that number for a minute or two to make sure it was correct. Not gonna win many games with 4 assists.
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 28, 2019, 10:00:36 PM
I hope yer right, Doc. But I just don't see where that's gonna come from outside of Koby. There are gonna have to be major leaps made by a handful of guys.
I think you are going to have to stop thinking of it as who will have to step up to replace the Hausers. It will have to be a bunch of players to replace them not just one or two, and it will be different every game.
Take Jamal. Seven boards last night and some great defense. He made one bucket but it was a big one as MU was sputtering. I think I have seen one poster comment on his play.
Take Sacar. He hit that corner two (downgraded from three on review) in transition. Then got a big charge going the other way. That was the turning point of the game. No comments here.
Take our bigs and depth. Not a stellar game in the box score but they were drawing fouls and attriting Davidson's depth, altering shots, drawing shooting fouls. Comments here? "Our bigs took zero shots". Ummm...no they were drawing fouls and free throws.
Take the defense which posters here are taking for granted and only focusing on O. Early Wojo teams didn't play much of it but only Wisconsin has gone over 0.90 on Orating (damn Pritzl). Maybe three or four call outs and most of those were "we were lucky Davidson had an off shooting night". Wtf???
Each game, especially to start the season, will have different players step up in different ways including other than shooting. The Davidson game was always going to be a slogfest. MU's strength is balance and depth this year. Think the Moneyball era and situationals. Against USC, this may include shooting breakouts.
If posters here are honestly expecting a Hauser to step up to fill the shooting void, you will have a long wait. If you are more patient, you might see a team's identity slowing evolving and the wins (and loses) will come in different ways than the last few seasons.
Quote from: jonny09 on November 29, 2019, 07:02:02 AM
Wow. We had 4 assists in that game. I literally had to stare at that number for a minute or two to make sure it was correct. Not gonna win many games with 4 assists.
Jonny,
We drew 28 fouls and shot 38 free throws. You don't get assists for scoring from the line.
For the season, MU is above average on assist rate. Get your nose out of the box score.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 29, 2019, 07:17:36 AM
Jonny,
We drew 28 fouls and shot 38 free throws. You don't get assists for scoring from the line.
For the season, MU is above average on assist rate. Get your nose out of the box score.
Fair enough. Thanks for pointing that out.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 29, 2019, 07:10:29 AM
I think you are going to have to stop thinking of it as who will have to step up to replace the Hausers. It will have to be a bunch of players to replace them not just one or two, and it will be different every game.
Take Jamal. Seven boards last night and some great defense. He made one bucket but it was a big one as MU was sputtering. I think I have seen one poster comment on his play.
Take Sacar. He hit that corner two (downgraded from three on review) in transition. Then got a big charge going the other way. That was the turning point of the game. No comments here.
Take our bigs and depth. Not a stellar game in the box score but they were drawing fouls and attriting Davidson's depth, altering shots, drawing shooting fouls. Comments here? "Our bigs took zero shots". Ummm...no they were drawing fouls and free throws.
Take the defense which posters here are taking for granted and only focusing on O. Early Wojo teams didn't play much of it but only Wisconsin has gone over 0.90 on Orating (damn Pritzl). Maybe three or four call outs and most of those were "we were lucky Davidson had an off shooting night". Wtf???
Each game, especially to start the season, will have different players step up in different ways including other than shooting. The Davidson game was always going to be a slogfest. MU's strength is balance and depth this year. Think the Moneyball era and situationals. Against USC, this may include shooting breakouts.
If posters here are honestly expecting a Hauser to step up to fill the shooting void, you will have a long wait. If you are more patient, you might see a team's identity slowing evolving and the wins (and loses) will come in different ways than the last few seasons.
Extremely well stated.
On the first Davidson flop, the call prevented what would have been a 5-on-4 fastbreak for us. On the second, Davidson actually would have gotten the ball had the arrow pointed their way even though the shot was awful and we easily would have had the rebound. So both times, the flops "penalized" the non-flopping team (although it was nice to get the FT on the second).
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Wrong. On the second flop (where a T was called), Jayce Johnson secured the rebound.
Quote from: jonny09 on November 29, 2019, 07:02:02 AM
Wow. We had 4 assists in that game. I literally had to stare at that number for a minute or two to make sure it was correct. Not gonna win many games with 4 assists.
Well, we won last night with 4 assists.
Quote from: jonny09 on November 29, 2019, 07:02:02 AM
Wow. We had 4 assists in that game. I literally had to stare at that number for a minute or two to make sure it was correct. Not gonna win many games with 4 assists.
Meh, assists are overrated.
I also think assists is a flawed stat. I've seen things counted as assists where the player who scored the basketball had the ball for more than 3 seconds before making their move/shot.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 29, 2019, 07:10:29 AM
I think you are going to have to stop thinking of it as who will have to step up to replace the Hausers. It will have to be a bunch of players to replace them not just one or two, and it will be different every game.
Never mentioned the Hausers. They're totally inept on offense unless Markus is going off.
Do they miss Sam? Sure they do. But guys like Ed and Sacar are in their fifth year. Koby is in his fourth. Bailey's almost old enough to rent a car, FFS. The fact that none of these guys can be counted on for consistent production is far more worrying to me than Sam leaving.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on November 28, 2019, 07:39:39 PM
Against a powerhouse like Davidson...
Didn't Buzz the Savior need a last second shot to beat "a powerhouse like Davidson"? How Scoop forgets, yet always has it both ways......
Quote from: lurch91 on November 29, 2019, 08:59:35 AM
Didn't Buzz the Savior need a last second shot to beat "a powerhouse like Davidson"? How Scoop forgets, yet always has it both ways......
Before they argue that was a good Davidson team I'd like to add that the 2013 Davidson team started off 4-4 with L's to UWM Charlotte and New Mexico.
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 29, 2019, 08:56:15 AM
Never mentioned the Hausers. They're totally inept on offense unless Markus is going off.
Do they miss Sam? Sure they do. But guys like Ed and Sacar are in their fifth year. Koby is in his fourth. Bailey's almost old enough to rent a car, FFS. The fact that none of these guys can be counted on for consistent production is far more worrying to me than Sam leaving.
Just reading in your sentiments on here over time on this, including Wojo and the Hausers. You are a very balanced and solid poster with excellent insight. You are a bear on this team and I am more bullish. Wojo's teams have lacked athleticism and balance but had shooting. This team is the opposite.
But agreed, the concerns are there but posters need to also consider there are different ways of winning. Scoring from that 3/4 spot is critical—but MU has five players to do it this year, not only two.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 29, 2019, 01:31:26 AM
We should beat one of the A10's best programs every single time??????
For the record, Vegas thinks we should beat this USC team more frequently than Davidson.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 29, 2019, 09:24:52 AM
Just reading in your sentiments on here over time on this, including Wojo and the Hausers. You are a very balanced and solid poster with excellent insight. You are a bear on this team and I am more bullish. Wojo's teams have lacked athleticism and balance but had shooting. This team is the opposite.
But agreed, the concerns are there but posters need to also consider there are different ways of winning. Scoring from that 3/4 spot is critical—but MU has five players to do it this year, not only two.
Not only is our offense opposite what we have been, the approach is opposite. Like it or not, we are a defensive team first and offense second. We are used to seeing Wojo's team score 80+ with regularity, but back then, people rushed to the message boards to rip on our D and saying that we can't win games by hitting a lot of 3's.
Defense is solid to very good and will continue to get better. If one more guy can step up on offense this could be a very very good team.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 29, 2019, 09:03:34 AM
Before they argue that was a good Davidson team I'd like to add that the 2013 Davidson team started off 4-4 with L's to UWM Charlotte and New Mexico.
Excellent observation.
I would expect Davidson to end up having another solid season and for this to be a "good" win for us in the NET.
Quote from: MU82 on November 29, 2019, 10:40:09 AM
Excellent observation.
I would expect Davidson to end up having another solid season and for this to be a "good" win for us in the NET.
I seem to recall many posters concerned we'd lose this game, because Davidson was very good, before the season started, and after they played Auburn tough.
Posts like Grady and Gudmundsson may be the best starting backcourt we play all year.
Now since we only won by 10, we are terrible, and the same Davison team is terrible.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 29, 2019, 07:10:29 AM
I think you are going to have to stop thinking of it as who will have to step up to replace the Hausers. It will have to be a bunch of players to replace them not just one or two, and it will be different every game.
Take Jamal. Seven boards last night and some great defense. He made one bucket but it was a big one as MU was sputtering. I think I have seen one poster comment on his play.
Take Sacar. He hit that corner two (downgraded from three on review) in transition. Then got a big charge going the other way. That was the turning point of the game. No comments here.
Take our bigs and depth. Not a stellar game in the box score but they were drawing fouls and attriting Davidson's depth, altering shots, drawing shooting fouls. Comments here? "Our bigs took zero shots". Ummm...no they were drawing fouls and free throws.
Take the defense which posters here are taking for granted and only focusing on O. Early Wojo teams didn't play much of it but only Wisconsin has gone over 0.90 on Orating (damn Pritzl). Maybe three or four call outs and most of those were "we were lucky Davidson had an off shooting night". Wtf???
Each game, especially to start the season, will have different players step up in different ways including other than shooting. The Davidson game was always going to be a slogfest. MU's strength is balance and depth this year. Think the Moneyball era and situationals. Against USC, this may include shooting breakouts.
If posters here are honestly expecting a Hauser to step up to fill the shooting void, you will have a long wait. If you are more patient, you might see a team's identity slowing evolving and the wins (and loses) will come in different ways than the last few seasons.
One of my favorite posts so far this season. Well done, Doc.
fWIW, I am one who has said Cain has been able. He has been my favorite role player so far in 2019-20: rebounded, defended, done the little things, mostly played to his strengths offensively.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 29, 2019, 07:10:29 AM
I think you are going to have to stop thinking of it as who will have to step up to replace the Hausers. It will have to be a bunch of players to replace them not just one or two, and it will be different every game.
Take Jamal. Seven boards last night and some great defense. He made one bucket but it was a big one as MU was sputtering. I think I have seen one poster comment on his play.
Take Sacar. He hit that corner two (downgraded from three on review) in transition. Then got a big charge going the other way. That was the turning point of the game. No comments here.
Take our bigs and depth. Not a stellar game in the box score but they were drawing fouls and attriting Davidson's depth, altering shots, drawing shooting fouls. Comments here? "Our bigs took zero shots". Ummm...no they were drawing fouls and free throws.
Take the defense which posters here are taking for granted and only focusing on O. Early Wojo teams didn't play much of it but only Wisconsin has gone over 0.90 on Orating (damn Pritzl). Maybe three or four call outs and most of those were "we were lucky Davidson had an off shooting night". Wtf???
Each game, especially to start the season, will have different players step up in different ways including other than shooting. The Davidson game was always going to be a slogfest. MU's strength is balance and depth this year. Think the Moneyball era and situationals. Against USC, this may include shooting breakouts.
If posters here are honestly expecting a Hauser to step up to fill the shooting void, you will have a long wait. If you are more patient, you might see a team's identity slowing evolving and the wins (and loses) will come in different ways than the last few seasons.
As of right now this is the absolute Big Picture. Right on the mark.
sacar used to be one of our best(if not the best) mid-range jump shooters, he showed signs of that last night(5/9) if he continues to show, we win!
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on November 29, 2019, 08:39:33 AM
On the first Davidson flop, the call prevented what would have been a 5-on-4 fastbreak for us. On the second, Davidson actually would have gotten the ball had the arrow pointed their way even though the shot was awful and we easily would have had the rebound. So both times, the flops "penalized" the non-flopping team (although it was nice to get the FT on the second).
Wrong. On the second flop (where a T was called), Jayce Johnson secured the rebound.
According to the announcers, after the technical free throw, the possession arrow was used to determine who obtained possession.