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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: GooooMarquette on June 23, 2019, 01:15:33 PM
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Her move from MU to Penn State was clearly because of the higher profile of the Big Ten in women’s hoops, and thus the higher ceiling.
Now that UConn is rejoining the BE, I wonder if she wishes she had stayed. Not that one team makes the whole BE as good as the Big Ten...but UConn is the ultimate blue blood in women’s hoops, so it will raise the BE profile considerably. And given that Kieger is a MU alum, maybe the BE didn’t need to be as good for her to want to stay; maybe it just had to be in the general ballpark. Makes me wonder....
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I'd guarantee that she's perfectly happy with her big paycheck. Especially after graduating a massive class that would've made her have a huge rebuild ahead.
I'd down the line MUWBB has a budget like PSU maybe she'd regret it but even with UConn the Big East has one other consistently good program in Depaul and that's it.
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Krieger = Hausers
DGAF
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She could win conf titles at MU, that is now out with UConn in. Besides, it’s about money. MU isn’t going to overpay for a women’s BBall coach nor would they be financially responsible in doing so.
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I searched and can’t find any reports of her salary at MU or PSU. Anyone know?
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Teri Mitchell was making $465,000 in her last season at Marquette. Penn St.’s previous coach was making at least $700,000. I don’t know what Kieger made at Marquette. But, some here suggest it was less than half of what Mitchell made. Was this still the case after her extension at MU?
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I searched and can’t find any reports of her salary at MU or PSU. Anyone know?
The tax returns of NPFs are required to list the comp of all officers, key employees (as the IRS defines) and the top 5 highest-compensated employees who aren't officers or key employees.
Carolyn Kieger was not listed on the 2018 990, and she would have been if she had made at least $354,098.
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Her move from MU to Penn State was clearly because of the higher profile of the Big Ten in women’s hoops, and thus the higher ceiling.
Now that UConn is rejoining the BE, I wonder if she wishes she had stayed. Not that one team makes the whole BE as good as the Big Ten...but UConn is the ultimate blue blood in women’s hoops, so it will raise the BE profile considerably. And given that Kieger is a MU alum, maybe the BE didn’t need to be as good for her to want to stay; maybe it just had to be in the general ballpark. Makes me wonder....
I don't know that having UCONN will help the Big East all that much in Women's Basketball. They are so much better than every team in the BE and will likely beat up on all the teams in the BE. It helps UCONN to get out of their current conference but the Big East is only a mid-major in Women's Basketball that only had 2 teams in the NCAA Tournament last season. Having UCONN join won't jump them up to a major conference.
I don't think Kieger regrets her move one bit at all right now. Besides making much more money at PSU, it's a huge step-up for the conference - the Big 10 is way better than the Big East in Women's Basketball. As I think was said on Anonymous Eagle, Penn State has more Sweet 16 appearances in their history than Marquette has NCAA Tournament appearances. Kieger has a much better chance of going deep into the post-season at PSU than she did at MU. Also, as someone else mentioned in this thread, she had a big rebuild coming here at MU - it's not like they were going to be a top 25 team for years to come - I think WNIT would have been most likely even had Kieger and all her recruits stayed this season. And maybe she would have gotten them back into the top 25 down the road - that's a moot point now of course.
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Carolyn made the right move. She is getting beaucoup bucks from Penn State which is not possible at MU. Solid upside in the Big Ten and if things don't work out she can still move down a level.
Now if we can just get Wojo to take the bait.
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CBS did report that Geno Auriemma pushed hard to get into the Big East Conference.
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Why would Kieger regret for even 1/10th of 1 second getting a major, major pay raise to coach in a superior women's basketball conference?
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So a lot of speculation that it included a huge raise, but nobody has numbers.
Oh well. Never mind.
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She is probably making more money, but B10 women's basketball sucks. UConn has 11 national championships. The B10 has 1 (2 if you count Maryland's in 2006). Maryland and Purdue are the only schools with more than 1 Final Four appearance. Rutgers made 2 in the old Big East. It's awful.
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I don't know that having UCONN will help the Big East all that much in Women's Basketball. They are so much better than every team in the BE and will likely beat up on all the teams in the BE. It helps UCONN to get out of their current conference but the Big East is only a mid-major in Women's Basketball that only had 2 teams in the NCAA Tournament last season. Having UCONN join won't jump them up to a major conference.
I don't think Kieger regrets her move one bit at all right now. Besides making much more money at PSU, it's a huge step-up for the conference - the Big 10 is way better than the Big East in Women's Basketball. As I think was said on Anonymous Eagle, Penn State has more Sweet 16 appearances in their history than Marquette has NCAA Tournament appearances. Kieger has a much better chance of going deep into the post-season at PSU than she did at MU. Also, as someone else mentioned in this thread, she had a big rebuild coming here at MU - it's not like they were going to be a top 25 team for years to come - I think WNIT would have been most likely even had Kieger and all her recruits stayed this season. And maybe she would have gotten them back into the top 25 down the road - that's a moot point now of course.
Every UConn women's game is on national TV with UConn's SNY deal. If the game is not on ESPN, it's on SNY.
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With UConn joining the BE, what is the over/under on consecutive seasons UConn will win the BE WBB title each year? 20? 50?
I would think every BE WBB coach would have reason to be against this merger, realizing they would only be competing for 2nd place for the foreseeable future.
Likely Kieger knew this when she left.
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FVck krieger
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With UConn joining the BE, what is the over/under on consecutive seasons UConn will win the BE WBB title each year? 20? 50?
I would think every BE WBB coach would have reason to be against this merger, realizing they would only be competing for 2nd place for the foreseeable future.
Likely Kieger knew this when she left.
Being able to sell the fact you get to compete with the best can improve the prospects for all programs. I imagine this is viewed as good for those programs that are investing in WBB. You are right though that winning the conference championship is not a realistic goal for anyone not named UConn.
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With UConn joining the BE, what is the over/under on consecutive seasons UConn will win the BE WBB title each year? 20? 50?
I would think every BE WBB coach would have reason to be against this merger, realizing they would only be competing for 2nd place for the foreseeable future.
Likely Kieger knew this when she left.
I'd take the under on both of those. How quickly we forget the Doom thread.
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With UConn joining the BE, what is the over/under on consecutive seasons UConn will win the BE WBB title each year? 20? 50?
Do you think they will be able to keep dominating once Auriemma is gone? He is 65 years old. I don't know how essential he is to their success (e.g. how good were they before 1985 when he took over?). Perhaps they will come back to the pack a bit.
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Being able to sell the fact you get to compete with the best can improve the prospects for all programs. I imagine this is viewed as good for those programs that are investing in WBB. You are right though that winning the conference championship is not a realistic goal for anyone not named UConn.
That's certainly how they will spin it, no doubt.
"Of all the losers in this conference, we're striving to be the best!"
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That's certainly how they will spin it, no doubt.
"Of all the losers in this conference, we're striving to be the best!"
If you think about it, you might have a great recruiting tool, especially with players that mayfall just outside UConn's recruiting focus.
"We both know that you are just as good as those women UConn is recruiting. How would you like at least two opportunities a year to prove it right in front of Auriemma?"
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If you think about it, you might have a great recruiting tool, especially with players that mayfall just outside UConn's recruiting focus.
"We both know that you are just as good as those women UConn is recruiting. How would you like at least two opportunities a year to prove it right in front of Auriemma?"
FIFY .. "How would you like at least two opportunities a year to prove it right in front of Auriemma, so you can transfer to UConn and win a championship.." :-\
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FIFY .. "How would you like at least two opportunities a year to prove it right in front of Auriemma, so you can transfer to UConn and win a championship.." :-\
I thought intra-conference transfers were a no-no.
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If you think about it, you might have a great recruiting tool, especially with players that mayfall just outside UConn's recruiting focus.
"We both know that you are just as good as those women UConn is recruiting. How would you like at least two opportunities a year to prove it right in front of Auriemma?"
Yes it will be very helpful to the BE gals. If all the non U Conn teams pick up one additional quality player a year because of the addition of U Conn the league as a whole will improve over time.
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I thought intra-conference transfers were a no-no.
Pretty sure that's still true. When Sam and Joey left, someone posted the current NCAA process for going through a sort of clearinghouse that allowed no limits on schools, except those prohibited by conferences. And the BE prohibits them. I believe it only applies to men's and women's hoops, and not other sports.
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I don't know that having UCONN will help the Big East all that much in Women's Basketball. They are so much better than every team in the BE and will likely beat up on all the teams in the BE. It helps UCONN to get out of their current conference but the Big East is only a mid-major in Women's Basketball that only had 2 teams in the NCAA Tournament last season. Having UCONN join won't jump them up to a major conference.
Just for kicks, I looked up ND's women's basketball history. They joined the BE in 1995-96.
Before 1996, they had only 2 NCAA Tournament appearances ('92 and '94), and were one-and-done both times. Beginning in 1996, they began a run of appearances that continues to this day. And they gradually started making deeper and deeper runs. A first win in '96, a first Final Four in '97, a first Championship in 2001.
So before being in the BE (with UConn, of course), they were a minor player in women's hoops. Once they joined, they rapidly got better to the point where they're one of the best programs in the country, and were able to weather leaving the conference.
And lest you say the success is all about Muffett McGraw...she got there in 1987-88. In her 8 years prior to ND joining, she was slowly making the program better, but there was no indication a national powerhouse was in the making (a couple of NIT appearances and a single loss in the NCAA). Then came the BE invite and they skyrocketed.
So yeah, it is quite plausible that being in the same conference with UConn could help a program make the next step.
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I thought intra-conference transfers were a no-no.
Depends on the conference, but my guess is they'll all die out soon (conference-specific restrictions). I personally like them, but the BEast has historically been more stern than other 'major' conferences... (e.g., "No, you can't do it in bball!")
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Depends on the conference, but my guess is they'll all die out soon (conference-specific restrictions). I personally like them, but the BEast has historically been more stern than other 'major' conferences... (e.g., "No, you can't do it in bball!")
In the Big East best interest to not have restrictions. I am sure Nova would have taken Sam for example.
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Curious, anyone know the frequency of transfers for women's bball versus men?
I'd imagine it's lower, but what do I know.