Was thinking more about this, and got to wondering about something...It is certainly safe to assume that the old man, and likely even the kids are still plenty friendly with Tony Bennett, Soderberg, etc. Has anyone considered the possibility that they just kind of got to talking, and they asked if the boys would like to play at UVA? A couple conversations later, and here we are? To me that is extremely feasible. Their core will be pretty much gone a year from now, and they would be able to slide right in and provide some immediate experience, talent, etc.
Would that mean they walked out on MU and their teammates? Absolutely, but at the same time, I have a hard time being too critical. Much like Herro having an opportunity to go star at UK, with all respect due Marquette and Wisconsin, if you are offered another chance to go play in the ACC for a team that just won a National Championship, I think its ok to take it.
Again, just a theory, but if they end up at a UVA (my personal prediction) or MSU, it could be more of an indication of them running to something, vs. running away from something if the end up at a UW, Nebraska, etc.
No. I don't know all the facts so I can't declare what percentage of the blame goes to who, but it absolutely should be falling on someone.
If Sam's desire is to play professionally, his decision to sit a year is the worst decision he can make. I don't think your theory is crazy on the surface, there's obviously significant friction at MU between the Hausers/and coaching staff, and perhaps more of a comfortable feel with Bennett and crew.
If this was a year from now, and Sam graduated, and Joey said "eff it, I'm out of here", it'd make more sense to me. The fact that Sam is putting whatever pro aspirations on hold for an extra two years? Makes zero sense.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on April 16, 2019, 11:44:46 AM
It is certainly safe to assume that the old man, and likely even the kids are still plenty friendly with Tony Bennett, Soderberg, etc. Has anyone considered the possibility that they just kind of got to talking, and they asked if the boys would like to play at UVA? A couple conversations later, and here we are?
I have heard this is part of it.
#TamperGate
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on April 16, 2019, 11:44:46 AM
Was thinking more about this, and got to wondering about something...It is certainly safe to assume that the old man, and likely even the kids are still plenty friendly with Tony Bennett, Soderberg, etc. Has anyone considered the possibility that they just kind of got to talking, and they asked if the boys would like to play at UVA? A couple conversations later, and here we are? To me that is extremely feasible. Their core will be pretty much gone a year from now, and they would be able to slide right in and provide some immediate experience, talent, etc.
Would that mean they walked out on MU and their teammates? Absolutely, but at the same time, I have a hard time being too critical. Much like Herro having an opportunity to go star at UK, with all respect due Marquette and Wisconsin, if you are offered another chance to go play in the ACC for a team that just won a National Championship, I think its ok to take it.
Again, just a theory, but if they end up at a UVA (my personal prediction) or MSU, it could be more of an indication of them running to something, vs. running away from something if the end up at a UW, Nebraska, etc.
Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself posting things like this. To think they're not running away from something is the ultimate "blue and gold goggles" opinion I've heard yet. Even worse than "the Hausers were just too slow to play for us" and "Bailey was gonna take all of Joey's minutes anyway" bullcrap. So kudos. It would be a lateral move given what we ALREADY HAD at Marquette for next season: yet Sam wants to sit out an entire year, pushing his potential draft candidacy out another year, and Joey wants to lose 1/3 of his remaining eligibility because they want to play pack-line defense?? Use your head, man.
We have legitimate issues in this program and despite several pleas for change, they were over it.
Quote from: onepostjohnson on April 16, 2019, 12:31:06 PM
Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself posting things like this. To think they're not running away from something is the ultimate "blue and gold goggles" opinion I've heard yet. Even worse than "the Hausers were just too slow to play for us" and "Bailey was gonna take all of Joey's minutes anyway" bullcrap. So kudos. It would be a lateral move given what we ALREADY HAD at Marquette for next season: yet Sam wants to sit out an entire year, pushing his potential draft candidacy out another year, and Joey wants to lose 1/3 of his remaining eligibility because they want to play pack-line defense?? Use your head, man.
We have legitimate issues in this program and despite several pleas for change, they were over it.
Lol. Ok.
Is the ACC a better conference than the Big East? Yes.
Is Virginia better program than MU?Yes.
Is the Hauser family friendly with the UVA coaching staff? Yes.
But hey, keep doing you. It seems to be working for you.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on April 16, 2019, 12:39:42 PM
Lol. Ok.
Is the ACC a better conference than the Big East? Yes.
Is Virginia better program than MU?Yes.
Is the Hauser family friendly with the UVA coaching staff? Yes.
But hey, keep doing you. It seems to be working for you.
So you're telling me because they'll get to play Duke, UNC, Louisville, and Syracuse once or twice they want to leave a championship-caliber roster in an NBA arena in their home state to sit an entire year, lose eligibility (Joey), hurt draft stock (Sam), and play with a Virginia team that doesn't have DeAndre Hunter, Ty Jerome, Kyle Guy, Mamadi Diakite, and Braxton Key......that's something worth RUNNING to given the necessary sacrifices? Watch out for the unicorn caravan on your way home from work.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on April 16, 2019, 12:39:42 PM
Lol. Ok.
Is the ACC a better conference than the Big East? Yes.
Is Virginia better program than MU?Yes.
Is the Hauser family friendly with the UVA coaching staff? Yes.
But hey, keep doing you. It seems to be working for you.
He's correct. You are going out of your way to not realize the obvious.
Sam could have gone to UVa years ago because the answers to your three questions were the same. Joey enrolled at Marquette less than 18 months ago. What has changed? The relationship with their head coach. That's why they are leaving. It is painfully obvious yet people want to pretend its not there.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 16, 2019, 12:49:18 PM
It is painfully obvious yet people want to pretend its not there.
Kind of like the crowded roster they were gonna have next year too, eh? Weird.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on April 16, 2019, 12:52:28 PM
Kind of like the crowded roster they were gonna have next year too, eh? Weird.
You keep saying this. Yet Sam is a three year starter and Joey played ahead of two of those same guys next year. You really think they are afraid of their playing time? That's nonsense.
And as for Elliott and Koby, one is taking JC's place. So you are talking about a net gain of *one* player (cause Dexter Akanno aint doing anything next year).
And you think that's why they are leaving? Wake the f*ck up.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on April 16, 2019, 12:52:28 PM
Kind of like the crowded roster they were gonna have next year too, eh? Weird.
Which was solved by......2 of your 3 best players, one of whom would be the face of the program 1 year from now, transferring out???
That was Wojo's plan all along, huh?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 16, 2019, 12:56:36 PM
And as for Elliott and Koby, one is taking JC's place. So you are talking about a net gain of *one* player (cause Dexter Akanno aint doing anything next year).
LOl! Ok. You think Koby and Elliott are going to combine for 10-15 min a game? Good grief. You think Wojo should be gone, we get it, but join us in teh real world.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on April 16, 2019, 01:01:51 PM
LOl! Ok. You think Koby and Elliott are going to combine for 10-15 min a game? Good grief. You think Wojo should be gone, we get it, but join us in teh real world.
You are the one saying that a second team all BE and all freshman BE are running away to Virginia because they are scared of losing playing time. And you think you're in the real world???
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 16, 2019, 12:56:36 PM
You keep saying this. Yet Sam is a three year starter and Joey played ahead of two of those same guys next year. You really think they are afraid of their playing time? That's nonsense.
And as for Elliott and Koby, one is taking JC's place. So you are talking about a net gain of *one* player (cause Dexter Akanno aint doing anything next year).
And you think that's why they are leaving? Wake the f*ck up.
+1
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on April 16, 2019, 11:44:46 AM
Was thinking more about this, and got to wondering about something...It is certainly safe to assume that the old man, and likely even the kids are still plenty friendly with Tony Bennett, Soderberg, etc. Has anyone considered the possibility that they just kind of got to talking, and they asked if the boys would like to play at UVA? A couple conversations later, and here we are? To me that is extremely feasible. Their core will be pretty much gone a year from now, and they would be able to slide right in and provide some immediate experience, talent, etc.
Would that mean they walked out on MU and their teammates? Absolutely, but at the same time, I have a hard time being too critical. Much like Herro having an opportunity to go star at UK, with all respect due Marquette and Wisconsin, if you are offered another chance to go play in the ACC for a team that just won a National Championship, I think its ok to take it.
Again, just a theory, but if they end up at a UVA (my personal prediction) or MSU, it could be more of an indication of them running to something, vs. running away from something if the end up at a UW, Nebraska, etc.
This is a theory. I don't subscribe to any of it, but it's a theory.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 16, 2019, 12:56:36 PM
You keep saying this. Yet Sam is a three year starter and Joey played ahead of two of those same guys next year. You really think they are afraid of their playing time? That's nonsense.
And as for Elliott and Koby, one is taking JC's place. So you are talking about a net gain of *one* player (cause Dexter Akanno aint doing anything next year).
And you think that's why they are leaving? Wake the f*ck up.
I'm not taking sides here but JC averaged a little over 10 MPG from the time Big East play started through the loss to Murray State.
I'd be surprised if Koby and Greg don't combine for 35 MPG (or more) this coming season. Now I don't think those minutes would have come from Sam but they would have to come from somewhere.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 16, 2019, 01:04:42 PM
You are the one saying that a second team all BE and all freshman BE are running away to Virginia because they are scared of losing playing time. And you think you're in the real world???
Yep, because regardless of what their easoning actually is, its fact that their roles and minutes were going to necessarily decrease due to roster additions. Unless Koby and Elliott were simply not going to play, its basic math. Google it.
Also I suggested they
may be running to UVA because they're running to UVA.
Joey and Sam were going to get big minutes next season. This is technically a prediction but its about as close to a fact as prediction can get.
There was no conversation where the Hausers were told they were getting smaller roles. This was an issue with play style. The offense runs through Markus. Markus is a very heavy usage player. When it worked, we were a top 10 team and everyone is happy. When Markus got hurt and it stopped working, we started losing and the frustration came out.
This is speculation, but I wonder if we win the Big East, the Big East tournament, or our first round NCAA game if this whole situation is avoided. I wonder if one more significant win could have been the difference.
It is no coincidence that the Hauser rumors went into overdrive right after Markus announced he was coming back. If they hated Wojo, why were they planning on returning if Markus left?
The way I see it, Wojo's failure in this situation is one of two things:
1. If reducing Markus' usage and playing a different style would have led to equal or more wins, then he failed in identifying that style and using it.
2. If maximizing Markus was the best way for this roster to win, then he failed to get the Hausers to buy into their roles.
Which one is correct? I guess that's a matter of perspective.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 16, 2019, 01:22:43 PM
The way I see it, Wojo's failure in this situation is one of two things:
1. If reducing Markus' usage and playing a different style would have led to equal or more wins, then he failed in identifying that style and using it.
2. If maximizing Markus was the best way for this roster to win, then he failed to get the Hausers to buy into their roles.
Which one is correct? I guess that's a matter of perspective.
Either approach could have worked. The failure was in the execution.