A number of posters have complained about having our best players playing too many minutes and the team wearing down to end the season, and listing one of their wishes for next season to be more depth to distribute minutes to more players so the top guys don't get worn out throughout the season.
I really don't see that as a problem for college basketball. You aren't playing back to backs. You don't have 35 year olds on the tail end of their careers. These are 18-23 year old kids who get at least 40 hours of rest when you're facing win or go home situations. Nova won 2 titles playing 7-8 guys and playing their top 3-4 guys 30+ mpg. Virginia just won a title with only 7 players playing 10+ mpg, and the top 3 all playing 33+ mpg. This is a total non issue. The best players should be playing 30+ mpg.
So what do Scoopers expect for next season? Personally I see it something like:
Markus 32 mpg
Sam 31 mpg
Joey 28 mpg
Koby 26 mpg
Sacar 22 mpg
Theo 20 mpg
Ed 17 mpg
Greg 12 mpg
Brendan 11 mpg
Ike/Cain/Dexter redshirting or unable to play (Ike injury)
Brenden will be a big contributor
Quote from: wadesworld on April 10, 2019, 02:21:04 PM
A number of posters have complained about having our best players playing too many minutes and the team wearing down to end the season, and listing one of their wishes for next season to be more depth to distribute minutes to more players so the top guys don't get worn out throughout the season.
I really don't see that as a problem for college basketball. You aren't playing back to backs. You don't have 35 year olds on the tail end of their careers. These are 18-23 year old kids who get at least 40 hours of rest when you're facing win or go home situations. Nova won 2 titles playing 7-8 guys and playing their top 3-4 guys 30+ mpg. Virginia just won a title with only 7 players playing 10+ mpg, and the top 3 all playing 33+ mpg. This is a total non issue. The best players should be playing 30+ mpg.
So what do Scoopers expect for next season? Personally I see it something like:
Markus 32 mpg
Sam 31 mpg
Joey 28 mpg
Koby 26 mpg
Sacar 22 mpg
Theo 20 mpg
Ed 17 mpg
Greg 12 mpg
Brendan 11 mpg
Ike/Cain/Dexter redshirting or unable to play (Ike injury)
I don't disagree with too much of this. I think Brendan may get a few more minutes, and if so it will probably come from Sacar/Koby. I don't think Cain will redshirt.
Quote from: Marquette4life on April 10, 2019, 02:28:43 PM
Brenden will be a big contributor
Quote from: Coleman on April 10, 2019, 02:34:13 PM
I don't disagree with too much of this. I think Brendan may get a few more minutes, and if so it will probably come from Sacar/Koby. I don't think Cain will redshirt.
Agreed, I just don't know where the minutes are going to come from. The only thing I'm certain about is Joey, Sam, and Markus will all be around 30 mpg and I feel pretty confident Koby will be up there as well.
I think it looks more like this:
Markus 31 mpg
Sam 30 mpg
Joey 25 mpg
Koby 21 mpg
Sacar 20 mpg
Theo 18 mpg
Ed 17 mpg
Greg 20 mpg
Brendan 18 mpg
I don't see Jamal with significant minutes at this point. If he doesn't redshirt, I hope I'm wrong and he steals 10 per game from someone.
I see a lot of potential lineups, including Joey sliding over to the 5 at times. Of course we know there will be injuries and surprises (good and bad) that will likely knock someone unexpected out of the mix.
Tons of teams play 7 man rotations. This minute argument is dumb. Teams figured markus out wojo didbt adjust
Quote from: wadesworld on April 10, 2019, 02:21:04 PM
A number of posters have complained about having our best players playing too many minutes and the team wearing down to end the season, and listing one of their wishes for next season to be more depth to distribute minutes to more players so the top guys don't get worn out throughout the season.
I really don't see that as a problem for college basketball. You aren't playing back to backs. You don't have 35 year olds on the tail end of their careers. These are 18-23 year old kids who get at least 40 hours of rest when you're facing win or go home situations. Nova won 2 titles playing 7-8 guys and playing their top 3-4 guys 30+ mpg. Virginia just won a title with only 7 players playing 10+ mpg, and the top 3 all playing 33+ mpg. This is a total non issue. The best players should be playing 30+ mpg.
So what do Scoopers expect for next season? Personally I see it something like:
Markus 32 mpg
Sam 31 mpg
Joey 28 mpg
Koby 26 mpg
Sacar 22 mpg
Theo 20 mpg
Ed 17 mpg
Greg 12 mpg
Brendan 11 mpg
Ike/Cain/Dexter redshirting or unable to play (Ike injury)
Pretty good breakdown imo and what I think would be great for us to utilize our depth.
Potential Theo/Ed foul trouble could lead to crazier lineups that either increase the top guys minutes by a couple(Markus and Sam) or the bottom(Elliott and Bailey).
Quote from: #UnleashCain on April 10, 2019, 03:04:23 PM
Tons of teams play 7 man rotations. This minute argument is dumb. Teams figured markus out wojo didbt adjust
And I think this argument is dumb. There were adjustments, each team in the final four regular season games beat us in very different ways, and in all but the Murray State game MU had late leads. Did teams only figure Markus out for the last 5 minutes?
That being said, I don't buy the played too many minutes argument either. The star player being injured argumentin the other hand makes some sense
I think Koby will get a few fewer minutes (around 20-22), while Brendan and Greg ought to get a few more. From my perspective, Brendan made some significant progress during the season and I think he plays a unique role on the roster.
Totally agree on your overall rationale and rotation cutoff.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 10, 2019, 04:01:10 PM
And I think this argument is dumb. There were adjustments, each team in the final four regular season games beat us in very different ways, and in all but the Murray State game MU had late leads. Did teams only figure Markus out for the last 5 minutes?
That being said, I don't buy the played too many minutes argument either. The star player being injured argumentin the other hand makes some sense
If wojo changed anything at all, it was what side of the court Theo came to set the patented pick for markus.
Are people really going to suggest Anim gets less minutes again?
Same old story.
Last year there were projections that he would get less than 10 minutes despite playing 27mpg as a sophomore. Now as a junior he plays 30mpg and he's going to drop again? And he's going to play less than a new guy?
Hmmm. Okay. I don't see it.
Edit: I'll acknowledge that Wojo did drop Heldt's minutes significantly based on talent, but I don't think that is apples to apples.
Quote from: MUCam on April 10, 2019, 06:03:39 PM
Are people really going to suggest Anim gets less minutes again?
Same old story.
Last year there were projections that he would get less than 10 minutes despite playing 27mpg as a sophomore. Now as a junior he plays 30mpg and he's going to drop again? And he's going to play less than a new guy?
Hmmm. Okay. I don't see it.
Edit: I'll acknowledge that Wojo did drop Heldt's minutes significantly based on talent, but I don't think that is apples to apples.
Wade's has Sacar at 22 min. Is that really a significant drop?
If we are really a top 7 or better team with 2 new contributors joining. That minutes drop doesn't seem like much.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2830393-cbb-teams-getting-a-boost-in-2019-20-from-players-youve-forgotten-about#slide2
good to see koby on here
Quote from: GoldenEagle323 on April 12, 2019, 07:52:41 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2830393-cbb-teams-getting-a-boost-in-2019-20-from-players-youve-forgotten-about#slide2
good to see koby on here
Haha, they list Jalen Harris for Nevada but he announced he was transferring from Nevada a few days ago
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 12, 2019, 08:10:12 AM
Haha, they list Jalen Harris for Nevada but he announced he was transferring from Nevada a few days ago
He said hes not forsure transferring
Quote from: GoldenEagle323 on April 12, 2019, 08:11:14 AM
He said hes not forsure transferring
75% of transfers say they aren't for sure transferring. Most do. Maybe Harris won't but I woulda picked a different guy to highlight if I was the author
Quote from: Shooter Flatch on April 10, 2019, 02:39:28 PM
I think it looks more like this:
Markus 31 mpg
Sam 30 mpg
Joey 25 mpg
Koby 21 mpg
Sacar 20 mpg
Theo 18 mpg
Ed 17 mpg
Greg 20 mpg
Brendan 18 mpg
I don't see Jamal with significant minutes at this point. If he doesn't redshirt, I hope I'm wrong and he steals 10 per game from someone.
I see a lot of potential lineups, including Joey sliding over to the 5 at times. Of course we know there will be injuries and surprises (good and bad) that will likely knock someone unexpected out of the mix.
Joey better improve his defense to get 25 minutes. I think Brendon or even Jamal could steel some minutes from Joey especially if he is not scoring and just becomes a defensive liability.
Quote from: MUCam on April 10, 2019, 06:03:39 PM
Are people really going to suggest Anim gets less minutes again?
Same old story.
Last year there were projections that he would get less than 10 minutes despite playing 27mpg as a sophomore. Now as a junior he plays 30mpg and he's going to drop again? And he's going to play less than a new guy?
Hmmm. Okay. I don't see it.
Edit: I'll acknowledge that Wojo did drop Heldt's minutes significantly based on talent, but I don't think that is apples to apples.
I agree totally.
Sacar will get more minutes than people think. Defense and athleticism matter. If Koby is what we expect him to be - a real, starting PG - I look for Joey to become the 6th man who can come in with instant offense.
Quote from: Jockey on April 12, 2019, 09:45:32 AM
I agree totally.
Sacar will get more minutes than people think. Defense and athleticism matter. If Koby is what we expect him to be - a real, starting PG - I look for Joey to become the 6th man who can come in with instant offense.
Hmm.... maybe Markus as the sixth man? I know, not happening; but just an out of the box thought.
Quote from: Jockey on April 12, 2019, 09:45:32 AM
I agree totally.
Sacar will get more minutes than people think. Defense and athleticism matter. If Koby is what we expect him to be - a real, starting PG - I look for Joey to become the 6th man who can come in with instant offense.
Yea, I think that if Koby gets plugged into the starting PG role right away (not a given BTW), then Joey gets pushed to the bench rather than Sacar. Three guard line-up gives us more flexibility on defense, and gives us better options coming off the bench (Greg could come in for any of Markus, Koby, or Sacar. Brendan for any of those three plus Sam. Joey for Sacar or Sam, and Ed for Theo of course). Gives us a near like-for-like swap at every position in the event of possible foul trouble.
Although TBH the only players that are locked into starting roles are Markus, Sam, and Theo (for the tip). Everything else is, and should be, fluid.
I believe The Coaching staff will want Greg on the floor as much as possible. He was trending to be a starter/significant minutes last year before the injury.
Brendan adds a lot to the team and he will be heavily in the mix too.
I think the rotation strategy this year will be similar to what was employed in the 2016-17 season where we had 9 guys playing.
Now that we know Markus is back, here's my really rough guess:
Markus: 30
Sam: 30
Sacar: 25
Koby: 22
Joey: 22
Greg: 20
Theo: 18
Ed: 18
Bailey: 15
Eke: Benchwarmer minutes if healthy
Cain: Redshirt
Dexter: Redshirt
Hopefully a traditional transfer: Harvey? Duruji?
That's as balanced and as talented a roster as Wojo has ever assembled. Big question marks are Koby and Greg. If they can add the penetrating ability we were lacking this season....could mean really good things. I hope Eke is healthy. While I don't have the same enthusiasm as the milkman, it was a boon to have a guy like Matt for emergency center purposes. I'd like to see Wojo experiment with some 5 out lineups with Joey at the 5.
I assume we use the last schollie on a regular transfer, but a role player big that can come in and clean up the glass and be a shot changer in the paint when Theo is in the foul trouble would be great.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 12, 2019, 11:37:11 AM
Now that we know Markus is back, here's my really rough guess:
Markus: 30
Sam: 30
Sacar: 25
Koby: 22
Joey: 22
Greg: 20
Theo: 18
Ed: 18
Bailey: 15
Eke: Benchwarmer minutes if healthy
Cain: Redshirt
Dexter: Redshirt
Hopefully a traditional transfer: Harvey? Duruji?
That's as balanced and as talented a roster as Wojo has ever assembled. Big question marks are Koby and Greg. If they can add the penetrating ability we were lacking this season....could mean really good things. I hope Eke is healthy. While I don't have the same enthusiasm as the milkman, it was a boon to have a guy like Matt for emergency center purposes. I'd like to see Wojo experiment with some 5 out lineups with Joey at the 5.
Looks about right to me. If Wojo can convince Cain to redshirt and stay an extra year to play with his buddy Greg - man that would be awesome.
Quote from: Jockey on April 12, 2019, 09:45:32 AM
I agree totally.
Sacar will get more minutes than people think. Defense and athleticism matter. If Koby is what we expect him to be - a real, starting PG - I look for Joey to become the 6th man who can come in with instant offense.
I can totally see that. Wojo is going to be deciding between Koby and Joey as his 5th starter. My sincere hope is that Koby beats him out because it means that we'll be that much better.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 12, 2019, 12:06:10 PM
I assume we use the last schollie on a regular transfer, but a role player big that can come in and clean up the glass and be a shot changer in the paint when Theo is in the foul trouble would be great.
That last scholarship isn't going to be used for anyone active if Ike stays and contributes Matty minutes. But a traditional transfer? Sure.
Quote from: jsglow on April 12, 2019, 01:00:21 PM
That last scholarship isn't going to be used for anyone active if Ike stays and contributes Matty minutes. But a traditional transfer? Sure.
We still don't know if ike will ever play a game for us
Quote from: jsglow on April 12, 2019, 01:00:21 PM
That last scholarship isn't going to be used for anyone active if Ike stays and contributes Matty minutes. But a traditional transfer? Sure.
I am not counting on Ike for anything. Even if he's healthy to count on any minutes from his is silly at this point.
Quote from: jsglow on April 12, 2019, 12:55:43 PM
I can totally see that. Wojo is going to be deciding between Koby and Joey as his 5th starter. My sincere hope is that Koby beats him out because it means that we'll be that much better.
And you love getting a boost offensively from the 6th man which Joey would give.
The talk over who gets how many minutes is meaningless because the rotation tightens up once you get to the meat of the schedule - a guy who gets 12 mpg at the start of the season may not even get in every conference game.
I would be surprised in a bad way if Bailey's play wasn't vastly improved from year one to year two. I am expecting significant improvement from him, and thus more minutes. He can defend the perimeter with length. Offensively, many of his misses were long back iron, as were his free throws, but his for, is fine. He can tweak that. I expect a more confident player and more offense from him.
Lineups will change based on matchups and who is playing well. There will be times I'd like to see Markus, Sacar, Koby, for their speed and athleticism. There will be times I would like to see Sam, Joey, Brendan all in at the same time for their length. Neither Greg nor Koby are true point guards. But as long as they can facilitate offense without turning the ball over, they will be fine. Way too many unforced error and forced error turnovers this year.
Would like to see more non medical redshirts in future, as warranted. Jay Wright has had some success with this strategy. Hope Jamal works on his handle, and being strong with the ball.
Would like to see Theo block less, get in position more on d, and know when to foul and not foul, and keep advancing his post moves.
Looking forward to a good season.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 12, 2019, 02:51:02 PM
I am not counting on Ike for anything. Even if he's healthy to count on any minutes from his is silly at this point.
Not 'counting' on anything other than Matty minutes. If Ike can't dress and contribute when foul trouble hits for a handful of possessions, his scholly is almost assuredly going elsewhere.
You all were way off.