Listening to "The Fan" today down here in Raleigh and they are claiming the top 3 candidates for the open Va Tech job are Willard, Wojo and Cronin......
IMO, Buzz's situation was a bizarre one, not the norm. I would be shocked if Wojo left for Va Tech, but if it did happen, I'd have to admit that the Big East (sans Villanova) is nothing more than a stepping stone conference and Marquette is nothing more than a power 5 stepping stone job. Can't believe the league has fallen off that far since the split.....SMH.......
Hopeful that Wojo understands the importance of consistency in a program and stays here for a long, long time. While he has a long way to go to becoming a top coach, he has done good things at MU and I believe he will only get better. It'd be devastating to lose him now.
Strike 1, strike 2, strike 3...batters out. Who is the 4th option? Those 3 coaches may be looking to move but VT is going to get a reality check very soon. Buzz was an odd duck and an outlier for taking that job.
Maybe we can start a new thread on coaching departures proving there is no Power 6 and it's really a Power 4? I haven't seen enough of those threads yet.
Quote from: Ron Swanson on April 03, 2019, 06:44:39 PM
IMO, Buzz's situation was a bizarre one, not the norm. I would be shocked if Wojo left for Va Tech, but if it did happen, I'd have to admit that the Big East (sans Villanova) is nothing more than a stepping stone conference and Marquette is nothing more than a power 5 stepping stone job. Can't believe the league has fallen off that far since the split.....SMH.......
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Quote from: wadesworld on April 03, 2019, 06:54:06 PM
Maybe we can start a new thread on coaching departures proving there is no Power 6 and it's really a Power 4? I haven't seen enough of those threads yet.
Love clown responses like this....if you don't like the thread, don't comment on it and let it die....seems pretty simple to me.
Quote from: Ron Swanson on April 03, 2019, 07:17:45 PM
Love clown responses like this....if you don't like the thread, don't comment on it and let it die....seems pretty simple to me.
You got the response you deserved and now you're triggered.
Maybe contribute your piece in one of the other 50 threads about the BE becoming a mid major. After all, we're a whopping 1 year removed from 20% of our conference being a 1 seed. We're screwed!
Quote from: AirPunch on April 03, 2019, 06:53:06 PM
Strike 1, strike 2, strike 3...batters out. Who is the 4th option? Those 3 coaches may be looking to move but VT is going to get a reality check very soon. Buzz was an odd duck and an outlier for taking that job.
I could actually see Cronin leave for VT, but not Wojo or Willard.....maybe I still have too much faith in the Big East brand.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 03, 2019, 07:19:53 PM
Or maybe just contribute your piece in one of the other 50 threads about the BE becoming a mid major. After all, we're a whopping 1 year removed from 20% of our conference being a 1 seed. We're screwed!
Never said that the Big East was a mid major. I said "if" the reports I heard were true and one of Wojo or Willard took the job, I would have to reconsider my stance on the situation of Big East being a stepping stone. I am terribly sorry you are frustrated with the state of the board right now, but don't take it out on me. I was simply sharing information I heard today in the heart of ACC country. If you can direct me to where that information was shared here previously, I would be happy to read it and apologize for wasting your precious time with another thread that you were forced to read and comment on.
triggered indeed, don't flatter yourself ;D
wades
You are calling someone out for starting a thread? I like seeing folks that do not post often get involved.
Two BE coaches have left in recent years (not counting the ones fired)
Holtmann left Butler for tOSU ... and has a contract with incentives that is pushing $4m/year.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/bigten/2018/02/02/chris-holtmanns-contract-ohio-state-two-payments-2-million-buyout-butler/302018002/
Mack left Xavier for Louisville ... he is also making $4m/year
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2018/03/28/chris-mack-contract-details-louisville-basketball/467779002/
Does this mean the going rate for a BE coach is $4m/year? A&M had to settle for the VT coach as they are not in this league.
Quote from: Ron Swanson on April 03, 2019, 07:25:15 PM
I said "if" the reports I heard were true and one of Wojo or Willard took the job, I would have to reconsider my stance on the situation of Big East being a stepping stone.
Why are you lying?
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on April 03, 2019, 07:28:18 PM
Two BE coaches have left in recent years (not counting the ones fired)
Holtmann left Butler for tOSU ... and has a contract with incentives that is push $4m/year.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/bigten/2018/02/02/chris-holtmanns-contract-ohio-state-two-payments-2-million-buyout-butler/302018002/
Mack left Xavier for Louisville ... he is also making $4m/year
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2018/03/28/chris-mack-contract-details-louisville-basketball/467779002/
Does this mean the going rate for a BE coach is $4m/year? A&M had to settle for the VT coach as they are not in this league.
Thanks for posting this. Can/will Va Tech be willing to pay $4m/year for a Wojo or Willard? Seems a stretch that they would pay that much. Also believe MU would be willing to match any offer Va Tech would come with to keep him, as I believe the BOT is very comfortable with Wojo running the program for years to come.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 03, 2019, 07:19:53 PM
You got the response you deserved and now you're triggered.
Maybe contribute your piece in one of the other 50 threads about the BE becoming a mid major. After all, we're a whopping 1 year removed from 20% of our conference being a 1 seed. We're screwed!
I love this crowd that thinks this BE is such a great conference...Well, I got news for ya..it ain't the old Big East, it ain't the ACC, it ain't the Big Ten...MU took a HUGE step down when the Old Big East broke up. That's just the reality of it. They will have good years(like last year), but more often then not I believe they will be like this year. No one likes to here this BE called a "mid major", but if you look at it, when the "catholic 7" expanded...where did they go to expand?? Butler came from the A10, Xavier the A10, and Creighton from the Missouri Valley...all the definition of mid major conferences. They ain't Louisville, Syracuse, or even Notre Dame. Again, that's reality.
When the "new" Big East was formed, I thought it was a conference that for all intents and purposes, MU should roll through every year ala Memphis CUSA style. The sad reality is, they haven't...and to me that's more an indictment about where the MU program is currently, then a compliment to how "strong" this Big East is. Further proof of that is the fact that MU did better in a much stronger more powerful old Big East. Doesn't that bother anyone??
Big East is more than fine, thanks to FOX Sports. The old league is a long time ago now. Moving on to seven years ago. Pitt is trash and their attendance has tanked by 75%. Well, enjoy life in the ACC/ESPN money. UConn has fallen of the planet by not being in the Big East as well. Funny how Seton Hall and Providence has come to life!
Quote from: muguru on April 03, 2019, 07:35:15 PM
I love this crowd that thinks this BE is such a great conference...Well, I got news for ya..it ain't the old Big East, it ain't the ACC, it ain't the Big Ten...MU took a HUGE step down when the Old Big East broke up. That's just the reality of it. They will have good years(like last year), but more often then not I believe they will be like this year. No one likes to here this BE called a "mid major", but if you look at it, when the "catholic 7" expanded...where did they go to expand?? Butler came from the A10, Xavier the A10, and Creighton from the Missouri Valley...all the definition of mid major conferences. They ain't Louisville, Syracuse, or even Notre Dame. Again, that's reality.
When the "new" Big East was formed, I thought it was a conference that for all intents and purposes, MU should roll through every year ala Memphis CUSA style. The sad reality is, they haven't...and to me that's more an indictment about where the MU program is currently, then a compliment to how "strong" this Big East is. Further proof of that is the fact that MU did better in a much stronger more powerful old Big East. Doesn't that bother anyone??
Wrong on so many levels
The new BE is not interested in schools with Football. Uconn wants in and they are not welcome because the BE doesn't want the baggage football brings.
And how about those "mid-majors" they took.
Creighton - Their coach (McDermott) dumped Iowa State (a "power 4" school) for Creighton. They had a National Player of the Year in their time in the BE and a perennial tournament team.
Xavier - They were a 1 seed just a year ago. Please name all the mid-majors that have been a one seed?
Butler - four tourney trips, S16.
Most of the "power 4" schools have done worse than these schools since they were added to the new BE. (Incidentally, this made up "power 4" term. Does this mean AZ and UCLA are now mid-majors?)
If you want to bash the new BE, then bash Georgetown. When the conference was formed five years ago GU was supposed to be the marquee team. They have been a middle of the pack, watching the tourney at home, team. Hopefully, Ewing can turn this around.
Quote from: muguru on April 03, 2019, 07:35:15 PM
I love this crowd that thinks this BE is such a great conference...Well, I got news for ya..it ain't the old Big East, it ain't the ACC, it ain't the Big Ten...MU took a HUGE step down when the Old Big East broke up. That's just the reality of it. They will have good years(like last year), but more often then not I believe they will be like this year. No one likes to here this BE called a "mid major", but if you look at it, when the "catholic 7" expanded...where did they go to expand?? Butler came from the A10, Xavier the A10, and Creighton from the Missouri Valley...all the definition of mid major conferences. They ain't Louisville, Syracuse, or even Notre Dame. Again, that's reality.
When the "new" Big East was formed, I thought it was a conference that for all intents and purposes, MU should roll through every year ala Memphis CUSA style. The sad reality is, they haven't...and to me that's more an indictment about where the MU program is currently, then a compliment to how "strong" this Big East is. Further proof of that is the fact that MU did better in a much stronger more powerful old Big East. Doesn't that bother anyone??
This is a stupid post through and through. You've once said you'd prefer to be a Gonzaga and owning a conference but now you're complaining about the conference? And insinuating its midmajor when all advanced stats say it's top 3 or 4?
Xavier was a big time program when we got them and that A10 had some years finishing above some power conferences. It was not today's A10. Butler had a ton of recent success and the hottest coach in the country (but he left before they joined) Creighton I'll give you.
Finally if you expected us to roll through the conference when Georgetown and Nova and X were in it you were smoking some crazy stuff. I expected us to always be top 3 but to roll through it is major tunnel vision
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on April 03, 2019, 07:45:24 PM
If you want to bash the new BE, then bash Georgetown. When the conference was formed five years ago GU was supposed to be the marquee team. They have been a middle of the pack, watching the tourney at home, team. Hopefully, Ewing can turn this around.
This but we bare some blame as well though ours was less of a choice than JT3 just phoning it in
Then it is Willard and Cronin.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on April 03, 2019, 07:45:24 PM
Wrong on so many levels
The new BE is not interested in schools with Football. Uconn wants in and they are not welcome because the BE doesn't want the baggage football brings.
And how about those "mid-majors" they took.
Creighton - Their coach (McDermott) dumped Iowa State (a "power 4" school) for Creighton. They had a National Player of the Year in their time in the BE and a perennial tournament team.
Xavier - They were a 1 seed just a year ago. Please name all the mid-majors that have been a one seed?
Butler - four tourney trips, S16.
Most of the "power 4" schools have done worse than these schools since they were added to the new BE. (Incidentally, this made up "power 4" term. Does this mean AZ and UCLA are now mid-majors?)
If you want to bash the new BE, then bash Georgetown. When the conference was formed five years ago GU was supposed to be the marquee team. They have been a middle of the pack, watching the tourney at home, team. Hopefully, Ewing can turn this around.
I can tell you mid majors that have been 1 seeds...Gonzaga, more than once. And thank you for making my point, that I think so many are missing...those "mid majors" that the conference added, have been FAR more successful in this BE then MU has been. That should NEVER EVER EVER happen. And the fact that you think Georgetown was supposed to be the Marquee program, just says you don't think that highly of MU's program..given where MU was in the Old BE, always at the top half of conference, won a title etc, they SHOULD be the marquee team in this league...the fact that they aren't..don't you think that speaks volumes as to where MU is as a program currently??
Since the current Big East took shape before the 2013-14 season ...
++ The conference has had 4, 6, 5, 7, 6 and 4 teams get NCAA tourney bids. That's an average of 5.3 per year -- on average, more than half of the league has qualified for the NCAA tournament.
++ The conference has had four #1 seeds, two #2 seeds, one #3 seed, two #4 seeds, one #5 seed and six #6 seeds. That's an average of one top-2 seed every year, and an average of nearly three "quality" seeds per year.
++ The conference has produced two National Champions, two National Player of the Year winners, numerous All-Americans and several first-round draft picks.
++ The conference scored one of the best TV contracts out there and has its tournament at the World's Most Famous Arena. When the Big Ten tried to infringe on their turf, they ended up slinking away with their tail between their legs, vowing, "Never again."
Yeah ... what a shyte-show the Big East is.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 03, 2019, 07:46:34 PM
This is a stupid post through and through. You've once said you'd prefer to be a Gonzaga and owning a conference but now you're complaining about the conference? And insinuating its midmajor when all advanced stats say it's top 3 or 4?
Xavier was a big time program when we got them and that A10 had some years finishing above some power conferences. It was not today's A10. Butler had a ton of recent success and the hottest coach in the country (but he left before they joined) Creighton I'll give you.
Finally if you expected us to roll through the conference when Georgetown and Nova and X were in it you were smoking some crazy stuff. I expected us to always be top 3 but to roll through it is major tunnel vision
So...you say the A10 then wasn't today's A10..Okay..I give you that, but then you cannot in any way, shape or form think this new BE is anything close to what the OLD BE was.
I did expect MU to roll through it...because I happened to think highly of MU as a program at that time...afterall, they finished top half of the best conference ever assembled more often than not, had more success in it than Georgetown and Nova did, and even won a BE title. The fact that they had MORE success in a conference like that, then in this current iteration of the BE, is very telling as to where MU is as a program currently, don't you think?? No other way to look at it.
Quote from: MU82 on April 03, 2019, 08:03:37 PM
Since the current Big East took shape before the 2013-14 season ...
++ The conference has had 4, 6, 5, 7, 6 and 4 teams get NCAA tourney bids. That's an average of 5.3 per year -- on average, more than half of the league has qualified for the NCAA tournament.
++ The conference has had four #1 seeds, two #2 seeds, one #3 seed, two #4 seeds, one #5 seed and six #6 seeds. That's an average of one two-2 seed every year, and an average of nearly three "quality" seeds per year.
++ The conference has produced two National Champions, two National Player of the Year winners, numerous All-Americans and several first-round draft picks.
++ The conference scored one of the best TV contracts out there and has its tournament at the World's Most Famous Arena. When the Big Ten tried to infringe on their turf, they ended up slinking away with their tail between their legs, vowing, "Never again."
Yeah ... what a shyte-show the Big East is.
Alright, you got me MU82, I give up...you're right, it is HEAD AND shoulders above the Old Big East, you just proved it. Well done. Speaking of the Old Big east(the best conference ever assembled), don't you find it..strange/sad, that MU did better year in and year out in THAT conference than this current conference?? If you don't find that sad..I don't even know what to say...I really don't.
The MU program is a bigger problem then the conference is...the mere fact that for the most part they have struggled to find their footing in this conference...when it wasn't a problem in a MUCH stronger conference..is telling, don't you think?? Of course you don't think so...who am I kidding, NOTHING MU related is a problem to you, the Coach is just fine, the program is just fine, everything is fine, right??
Quote from: muguru on April 03, 2019, 07:35:15 PM
I love this crowd that thinks this BE is such a great conference...Well, I got news for ya..it ain't the old Big East, it ain't the ACC, it ain't the Big Ten...MU took a HUGE step down when the Old Big East broke up. That's just the reality of it. They will have good years(like last year), but more often then not I believe they will be like this year. No one likes to here this BE called a "mid major", but if you look at it, when the "catholic 7" expanded...where did they go to expand?? Butler came from the A10, Xavier the A10, and Creighton from the Missouri Valley...all the definition of mid major conferences. They ain't Louisville, Syracuse, or even Notre Dame. Again, that's reality.
When the "new" Big East was formed, I thought it was a conference that for all intents and purposes, MU should roll through every year ala Memphis CUSA style. The sad reality is, they haven't...and to me that's more an indictment about where the MU program is currently, then a compliment to how "strong" this Big East is. Further proof of that is the fact that MU did better in a much stronger more powerful old Big East. Doesn't that bother anyone??
This wins dumbest post of the year. Congratulations!
Quote from: MU82 on April 03, 2019, 08:03:37 PM
Since the current Big East took shape before the 2013-14 season ...
++ The conference has had 4, 6, 5, 7, 6 and 4 teams get NCAA tourney bids. That's an average of 5.3 per year -- on average, more than half of the league has qualified for the NCAA tournament.
++ The conference has had four #1 seeds, two #2 seeds, one #3 seed, two #4 seeds, one #5 seed and six #6 seeds. That's an average of one two-2 seed every year, and an average of nearly three "quality" seeds per year.
++ The conference has produced two National Champions, two National Player of the Year winners, numerous All-Americans and several first-round draft picks.
++ The conference scored one of the best TV contracts out there and has its tournament at the World's Most Famous Arena. When the Big Ten tried to infringe on their turf, they ended up slinking away with their tail between their legs, vowing, "Never again."
Yeah ... what a shyte-show the Big East is.
After reading some of the responses I think there are two separate arguments here. I do not believe the Big East Conference is a mid major and your evidence proves exactly that, the success speaks for itself. The question I have is if the Big East Coaches will continue to be plucked by the ACC due to, as stated before, the contracts that were given to Mack, Holtmann, Buzz (who was a different situation) and potentially Wojo or Willard? If this trend continues can the Big East continue its' success as a conference with this type of turnover?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 03, 2019, 08:11:51 PM
This wins dumbest post of the year. Congratulations!
So you're going to argue that this Big east is anywhere near as good as the Old Big East...talk about dumb!
Quote from: muguru on April 03, 2019, 08:09:35 PM
Alright, you got me MU82, I give up...you're right, it is HEAD AND shoulders above the Old Big East, you just proved it. Well done. Speaking of the Old Big east(the best conference ever assembled), don't you find it..strange/sad, that MU did better year in and year out in THAT conference than this current conference?? If you don't find that sad..I don't even know what to say...I really don't.
No. No. No. The debate is not the old vs new. Your statement was people saying that the new version of the Big East is great was your statement.
Quote from: Ron Swanson on April 03, 2019, 08:13:54 PM
After reading some of the responses I think there are two separate arguments here. I do not believe the Big East Conference is a mid major and your evidence proves exactly that, the success speaks for itself. The question I have is if the Big East Coaches will continue to be plucked by the ACC due to, as stated before, the contracts that were given to Mack, Holtmann, Buzz (who was a different situation) and potentially Wojo or Willard? If this trend continues can the Big East continue its' success as a conference with this type of turnover?
The bottom line is Ron, no matter what anyone else here wants to think, Coaches are not nearly as likely to stay in this Big East as they were the old Big East. Further, marquee Coaches would have easily considered taking a job in that conference, this one...not so much. You really couldn't take a step up in conference as a Coach leaving the old Big east..Unfortunately, you can in this Big East.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 03, 2019, 08:11:51 PM
This wins dumbest post of the year. Congratulations!
Dumbest today, that is definite. He complains about everything. The new Big East is not as good as the old Big East. Ok. Everyone agrees. It is also the best conference a non football school can be in, and has done extremely well in the first six years.
Quote from: muguru on April 03, 2019, 08:09:35 PM
Alright, you got me MU82, I give up...you're right, it is HEAD AND shoulders above the Old Big East, you just proved it. Well done. Speaking of the Old Big east(the best conference ever assembled), don't you find it..strange/sad, that MU did better year in and year out in THAT conference than this current conference?? If you don't find that sad..I don't even know what to say...I really don't.
That is a straw man ... the old Big East was the best ever but broke up because of football money. Basketball had nothing to do with it.
About the teams that went to the ACC - Cuse, Pitt, 'Ville and ND ... did they get better or worse? I would argue worse. Pitt is a disaster, Cuse is down, ND is invisible and 'Ville has to vacate every success they have had post BE.
Going to the ACC did nothing for their basketball success (but has been huge in getting more football money).
My point is you vastly overstate the importance of a conference. A conference is really about making 50% of your schedule easy and getting a TV contract. As you noted, Gonzaga has been an elite team without a "power" conference.
Conference affiliation is not that important when it comes to basketball winning percentages.
Quote from: Goose on April 03, 2019, 07:27:58 PM
wades
You are calling someone out for starting a thread? I like seeing folks that do not post often get involved.
Joe,
As you know, wades attacks people who don't agree with him. It's that simple.
He's an pretty boy.
Quote from: Jon on April 03, 2019, 08:19:15 PM
Joe,
As you know, wades attacks people who don't agree with him. It's that simple.
He's an pretty boy.
A real dandy, a fancy boy even.
Quote from: Ron Swanson on April 03, 2019, 08:13:54 PM
After reading some of the responses I think there are two separate arguments here. I do not believe the Big East Conference is a mid major and your evidence proves exactly that, the success speaks for itself. The question I have is if the Big East Coaches will continue to be plucked by the ACC due to, as stated before, the contracts that were given to Mack, Holtmann, Buzz (who was a different situation) and potentially Wojo or Willard? If this trend continues can the Big East continue its' success as a conference with this type of turnover?
Here is the reality...TWO football conferences have a boatload of cash to spend. Buzz left the Big East for the ACC. Now he is leaving the ACC for the SEC. Fred Hoiberg just got a ton of cash at Nebraska. Hell, the cash trickles down to the non-revenue sports too as MU found out today.
Football is driving the bus. MU is in the best position they can. Even the ACC is now a stepping stone basketball job.
Quote from: muguru on April 03, 2019, 08:04:38 PM
So...you say the A10 then wasn't today's A10..Okay..I give you that, but then you cannot in any way, shape or form think this new BE is anything close to what the OLD BE was.
I did expect MU to roll through it...because I happened to think highly of MU as a program at that time...afterall, they finished top half of the best conference ever assembled more often than not, had more success in it than Georgetown and Nova did, and even won a BE title. The fact that they had MORE success in a conference like that, then in this current iteration of the BE, is very telling as to where MU is as a program currently, don't you think?? No other way to look at it.
Rank em:
190-75
3BE championships, FF and S16
181-90
1 BE championship, FF, E8 and S16
191-85
1BE championship, E8, 2 S16
I don't think this is the old BE but it's a lot more than you're giving it credit for that's for sure.
I personally disagree that we had more success than them in the BE during those 8 years. I'd say it's very comparable which is why I said you believing we'd roll the BE is tunnel vision it's entirely based on where we were not where we were relative to our main competition.
Quote from: muguru on April 03, 2019, 08:09:35 PM
Alright, you got me MU82, I give up...you're right, it is HEAD AND shoulders above the Old Big East, you just proved it. Well done. Speaking of the Old Big east(the best conference ever assembled), don't you find it..strange/sad, that MU did better year in and year out in THAT conference than this current conference?? If you don't find that sad..I don't even know what to say...I really don't.
The MU program is a bigger problem then the conference is...the mere fact that for the most part they have struggled to find their footing in this conference...when it wasn't a problem in a MUCH stronger conference..is telling, don't you think?? Of course you don't think so...who am I kidding, NOTHING MU related is a problem to you, the Coach is just fine, the program is just fine, everything is fine, right??
Please, please, please point me to one Scooper who is contending that the post 2013 Big East is better than the pre-2013 Big East, Mr. Strawman.
All I was answering was those who say our conference has become mid-major, which only a fool would argue.
As for the last part of your rant ... I have already addressed those points numerous times. You either have a severely failing memory -- and if you do, I apologize for making light of it -- or you just like to argue for the sake of arguing and just like to be miserable for the sake of being miserable.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 03, 2019, 08:22:23 PM
Here is the reality...TWO football conferences have a boatload of cash to spend. Buzz left the Big East for the ACC. Now he is leaving the ACC for the SEC. Fred Hoiberg just got a ton of cash at Nebraska. Hell, the cash trickles down to the non-revenue sports too as MU found out today.
Football is driving the bus. MU is in the best position they can. Even the ACC is now a stepping stone basketball job.
This
Money is all about football. MU dropped football 59 years ago. No small/private urban school has been able to
start a successful D1 program since.
I would argue that MU basketball is arguably the premiere non-football school** in the country ... when you consider where they play, facilities, attendance and nearby recruiting (WI is way up in producing elite payers).
** If guru can pull the term "power 4" out his arse, I can pull "premiere non-football school" out of mine.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 03, 2019, 08:22:57 PM
Rank em:
190-75
3BE championships, FF and S16
181-90
1 BE championship, FF, E8 and S16
191-85
1BE championship, E8, 2 S16
I don't think this is the old BE but it's a lot more than you're giving it credit for that's for sure.
I personally disagree that we had more success than them in the BE during those 8 years. I'd say it's very comparable which is why I said you believing we'd roll the BE is tunnel vision it's entirely based on where we were not where we were relative to our main competition.
It's a better conference (so far), then I thought it would be I admit that. My problem is..it's incredibly sad to me that MU hasn't done better in this conference from the beginning.
Quote from: muguru on April 03, 2019, 08:32:31 PM
It's a better conference (so far), then I thought it would be I admit that. My problem is..it's incredibly sad to me that MU hasn't done better in this conference from the beginning.
It's sad to all of us. We all want our team to be great every year.
Quote from: muguru on April 03, 2019, 08:32:31 PM
It's a better conference (so far), then I thought it would be I admit that. My problem is..it's incredibly sad to me that MU hasn't done better in this conference from the beginning.
Because Buzz left the cupboards empty when the new BE started.
Quote from: MU82 on April 03, 2019, 08:26:58 PM
Please, please, please point me to one Scooper who is contending that the post 2013 Big East is better than the pre-2013 Big East,
I do like the New Big East Conference better for TV purposes. Every game is on TV! 21 games are on free over the air TV. Most for any conference! I also like the true round robin. Last, the Big East Tournament feels the same. Sold out. Energy in the building.
Quote from: muguru on April 03, 2019, 08:32:31 PM
It's a better conference (so far), then I thought it would be I admit that. My problem is..it's incredibly sad to me that MU hasn't done better in this conference from the beginning.
That's not ranking those results. You were very confident about how we had done so much better than our competitors during that stretch.
I'm extremely disappointed, I envisioned my 20s filled with young alumni seats, celebrations at the schoolyard tavern and traveling to ncaa tournament games. Not exactly what it's been.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on April 03, 2019, 08:28:28 PM
This
Money is all about football. MU dropped football 59 years ago. No small/private urban school has been able to start a successful D1 program since.
I would argue that MU basketball is arguably the premiere non-football school** in the country ... when you consider where they play, facilities, attendance and nearby recruiting (WI is way up in producing elite payers).
** If guru can pull the term "power 4" out his arse, I can pull "premiere non-football school" out of mine.
Where the hell did I use the term power 4?? If I did, that was totally a typo.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on April 03, 2019, 08:39:38 PM
I do like the New Big East Conference better for TV purposes. Every game is on TV! 21 games are on free over the air TV. Most for any conference! I also like the true round robin. Last, the Big East Tournament feels the same. Sold out. Energy in the building.
That last point is important ... the BE had a down year yet every game of the BET was sold out and, at least on TV, the games appeared to have the energy of a FF game. As 82 noted, the B1G tried to get in on the action ... and now they are back in Chicago for their tourney. No one can touch the BET.
How on earth did the BE manage to get New Yorkers, of all people, that interested in a mid-major championship????
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on April 03, 2019, 08:39:38 PM
I do like the New Big East Conference better for TV purposes. Every game is on TV! 21 games are on free over the air TV. Most for any conference! I also like the true round robin. Last, the Big East Tournament feels the same. Sold out. Energy in the building.
I love the round robin...no doubt about that. But I will say one thing I absolutely cannot stand about this conference are the start times..especially all the 8:00 start times. They never start at 8:00, always closer to 8:15(or later). 8:15-8:30 is a brutal start time for a home game when you have an hour drive home etc. 6:00 is too early. It's hard for a lot of people to get off work in time to get there at tip. 7:00 is perfect yet I can't recall many, if any start times at 7:00 for a conference game in this new Big East..not just for MU but for anyone.
The current configuration of the Big East is by no means the 2005-2013 version - which was arguably the greatest basketball conference in history - but it is still one of the top basketball conferences in college basketball. The biggest problem isn't that the league doesn't have good teams (it always does), it's that no team other than Villanova has consistently made a deep tournament run (Xavier went to an Elite Eight last year; Butler went to a Sweet 16 a few years ago). Marquette had the opportunity to do so a few weeks ago, until we had the wheels come off.
I know people don't want to hear it, but there is an incredibly strong argument for expansion - just because expanding increasing the number of bids the league has annually, but also allowing for more teams in conference with more conference wins (which would, in theory, increase our tournament seeds).
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 03, 2019, 09:02:00 PM
The current configuration of the Big East is by no means the 2005-2013 version - which was arguably the greatest basketball conference in history - but it is still one of the top basketball conferences in college basketball. The biggest problem isn't that the league doesn't have good teams (it always does), it's that no team other than Villanova has consistently made a deep tournament run (Xavier went to an Elite Eight last year; Butler went to a Sweet 16 a few years ago). Marquette had the opportunity to do so a few weeks ago, until we had the wheels come off.
I know people don't want to hear it, but there is an incredibly strong argument for expansion - just because expanding increasing the number of bids the league has annually, but also allowing for more teams in conference with more conference wins (which would, in theory, increase our tournament seeds).
I'm not for expansion of more than one team...UCONN...IF they were to drop football altogether or drop it down to the FCS level. If the Big east were to expand further it HAS to be with schools that are needle movers as far as the product ON THE FLOOR. I just don't see any of those out there that are realistic to go get.
Quote from: muguru on April 03, 2019, 08:53:16 PM
I love the round robin...no doubt about that. But I will say one thing I absolutely cannot stand about this conference are the start times..especially all the 8:00 start times. They never start at 8:00, always closer to 8:15(or later). 8:15-8:30 is a brutal start time for a home game when you have an hour drive home etc. 6:00 is too early. It's hard for a lot of people to get off work in time to get there at tip. 7:00 is perfect yet I can't recall many, if any start times at 7:00 for a conference game in this new Big East..not just for MU but for anyone.
Well, the times have changed, yet they have not. National TV windows have always been 6 and 8pm. They did changed things a bit making some 5:30 and 7:30pm the last couple of years. Main difference now is every game is on national tv. I believe Marquette had only had 3 games at 8pm.
P.S. don't move to the east coast. Your game can start at 9:10pm. ?-(
If you want 7pm games you can join me for Panther games. ;D
Quote from: muguru on April 03, 2019, 08:00:42 PM
I can tell you mid majors that have been 1 seeds...Gonzaga, more than once. And thank you for making my point, that I think so many are missing...those "mid majors" that the conference added, have been FAR more successful in this BE then MU has been. That should NEVER EVER EVER happen. And the fact that you think Georgetown was supposed to be the Marquee program, just says you don't think that highly of MU's program..given where MU was in the Old BE, always at the top half of conference, won a title etc, they SHOULD be the marquee team in this league...the fact that they aren't..don't you think that speaks volumes as to where MU is as a program currently??
1. No one has missed any of your points because you make the same stupid ones over and over and over again. Even when people respond to your direct questions, you repeat the questions to the same people.
2. Hold up. Did you just call Gonzaga (a program that you aspire to be) a mid major??
Quote from: muguru on April 03, 2019, 08:00:42 PM
I can tell you mid majors that have been 1 seeds...Gonzaga, more than once.
Indiana State
DePaul (I mean, if the Zags are mid-major)
UNLV (see above)
Memphis (see above)
Temple
UMass
St. Joseph
Wichita State
Quote from: Jon on April 03, 2019, 08:19:15 PM
Joe,
As you know, wades attacks people who don't agree with him. It's that simple.
He's an pretty boy.
That was an attack?
Yeesh. Calling you a snowflake is an injustice to snowflakes. Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane I guess.
Quote from: muguru on April 03, 2019, 07:35:15 PM
I love this crowd that thinks this BE is such a great conference...Well, I got news for ya..it ain't the old Big East, it ain't the ACC, it ain't the Big Ten...MU took a HUGE step down when the Old Big East broke up. That's just the reality of it. They will have good years(like last year), but more often then not I believe they will be like this year. No one likes to here this BE called a "mid major", but if you look at it, when the "catholic 7" expanded...where did they go to expand?? Butler came from the A10, Xavier the A10, and Creighton from the Missouri Valley...all the definition of mid major conferences. They ain't Louisville, Syracuse, or even Notre Dame. Again, that's reality.
When the "new" Big East was formed, I thought it was a conference that for all intents and purposes, MU should roll through every year ala Memphis CUSA style. The sad reality is, they haven't...and to me that's more an indictment about where the MU program is currently, then a compliment to how "strong" this Big East is. Further proof of that is the fact that MU did better in a much stronger more powerful old Big East. Doesn't that bother anyone??
Thanks for posting Buzz, I would have thought you were too busy these days to keep trolling us.
Memohis rolled theu CUSA? I must have been in a coma for thise years
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on April 04, 2019, 11:41:41 AM
Memohis rolled theu CUSA? I must have been in a coma for thise years
I mean, they went 61-1 in conference play over a 4-year span from 2006-09 once we left the league with Louisville & Cincy. I think rolling through the league is a pretty fair descriptor.
I love this talk about how bad the Big East is and how it is not a Power 6 conference. Just a few facts. Last year's Big 10 got 4 teams to the tournament. Just like the BE did this year. Was the Big 10 no longer considered a Power 6 conference? After all aren't they approaching 20 years without a national championship.
And everyone wants to point out how great the ACC was this year with 3 #1 seeds and 7 teams that made the tournament. As a comparison. A non Power 5 conference had 20 percent of its teams earn a #1 seed and 60 percent of its teams make the tournament last year. This year's ACC had 20 percent of its teams earn a #1 seed and had 48 percent of its teams make the tournament. And by the way only 10 percent of this year's BE teams had a NET ranking below 90. The glorious ACC had 40 percent of its teams.
Every conference has a down year every couple of years. The 2017-18 was the Big 10's turn. This past year it was the BE. And this decade it's been for the PAC 12.
Quote from: dad's couch on April 04, 2019, 12:48:49 PM
Every conference has a down year every couple of years. The 2017-18 was the Big 10's turn. This past year it was the BE. And this decade it's been for the PAC 12.
;D
Quote from: muguru on April 03, 2019, 08:17:29 PM
The bottom line is Ron, no matter what anyone else here wants to think, Coaches are not nearly as likely to stay in this Big East as they were the old Big East. Further, marquee Coaches would have easily considered taking a job in that conference, this one...not so much. You really couldn't take a step up in conference as a Coach leaving the old Big east..Unfortunately, you can in this Big East.
not sure this is true. Head Coach turnover in the NBE is pretty much the same as it was in the OBE. In the OBE on average schools had 1.8 coaches (8 seasons), while in the NBE on average schools have had 1.7 coaches (6 seasons).
Facts are very pesky to detractors of the Big East.
Quote from: dad's couch on April 04, 2019, 12:48:49 PM
I love this talk about how bad the Big East is and how it is not a Power 6 conference. Just a few facts. Last year's Big 10 got 4 teams to the tournament. Just like the BE did this year. Was the Big 10 no longer considered a Power 6 conference? After all aren't they approaching 20 years without a national championship.
And everyone wants to point out how great the ACC was this year with 3 #1 seeds and 7 teams that made the tournament. As a comparison. A non Power 5 conference had 20 percent of its teams earn a #1 seed and 60 percent of its teams make the tournament last year. This year's ACC had 20 percent of its teams earn a #1 seed and had 48 percent of its teams make the tournament. And by the way only 10 percent of this year's BE teams had a NET ranking below 90. The glorious ACC had 40 percent of its teams.
Every conference has a down year every couple of years. The 2017-18 was the Big 10's turn. This past year it was the BE. And this decade it's been for the PAC 12.
This guy gets it.
Quote from: asdfasdf on April 04, 2019, 01:18:16 PM
not sure this is true. Head Coach turnover in the NBE is pretty much the same as it was in the OBE. In the OBE on average schools had 1.8 coaches (8 seasons), while in the NBE on average schools have had 1.7 coaches (6 seasons).
As does this guy.
The Big East is fine. And it will be fine if Willard goes to VT.
In the long term, college football may not be the huge money maker it is now. Risk of concussion has reduced interest at the high school level and NFL ratings are dropping.
Quote from: The Scat on April 04, 2019, 05:11:09 PM
In the long term, college football may not be the huge money maker it is now. Risk of concussion has reduced interest at the high school level and NFL ratings are dropping.
That's because mommy's don't want little Billy playing football..they'd rather they play something like..soccer. It's the wussification of America in full effect. Also, kids these days don't want to work real hard..football you do..they'd much rather play video games.
Quote from: muguru on April 04, 2019, 05:16:57 PM
That's because mommy's don't want little Billy playing football..they'd rather they play something like..soccer. It's the wussification of America in full effect. Also, kids these days don't want to work real hard..football you do..they'd much rather play video games.
There's a lot wrong with this post, but I'll focus on one thing: there are no NCAA D1 athletes that don't work real hard. I don't care what sport they play. Football doesn't have a monopoly there. You don't reach that level of success and skill without an enormous amount of hard work.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on April 04, 2019, 05:23:35 PM
There's a lot wrong with this post, but I'll focus on one thing: there are no NCAA D1 athletes that don't work real hard. I don't care what sport they play. Football doesn't have a monopoly there. You don't reach that level of success and skill without an enormous amount of hard work.
I was talking about HS kids in particular.
Quote from: muguru on April 04, 2019, 05:16:57 PM
That's because mommy's don't want little Billy playing football..they'd rather they play something like..soccer. It's the wussification of America in full effect. Also, kids these days don't want to work real hard..football you do..they'd much rather play video games.
I can't believe all these wussies are giving up smoking cigarettes.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 04, 2019, 05:52:42 PM
I can't believe all these wussies are giving up smoking cigarettes.
Me either
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on April 03, 2019, 08:28:28 PM
This
Money is all about football. MU dropped football 59 years ago. No small/private urban school has been able to start a successful D1 program since.
I would argue that MU basketball is arguably the premiere non-football school** in the country ... when you consider where they play, facilities, attendance and nearby recruiting (WI is way up in producing elite payers).
** If guru can pull the term "power 4" out his arse, I can pull "premiere non-football school" out of mine.
Dropping Football ranks as one of the three great mistakes of Marquette History.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 04, 2019, 06:22:56 PM
Dropping Football is as one of the three great mistakes of Marquette History.
I think there are a few more that would go before football 🏈
Quote from: The Scat on April 04, 2019, 05:11:09 PM
In the long term, college football may not be the huge money maker it is now. Risk of concussion has reduced interest at the high school level and NFL ratings are dropping.
Overall, NFL games this season were up 5 percent compared to 2017, and averaged 15.8 million viewers across all networks
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 04, 2019, 06:22:56 PM
Dropping Football ranks as one of the three great mistakes of Marquette History.
Tulane leaving the SEC in 1966 is the biggest college mistake ever.
Come again......
Holtmann "all in" is making $7......
Buzz "all in" is now making $6.....
Got to figure in all the "perks" "summer camps" "TV shows" and more.....etc.....
Quote from: muguru on April 04, 2019, 05:16:57 PM
That's because mommy's don't want little Billy playing football..they'd rather they play something like..soccer. It's the wussification of America in full effect. Also, kids these days don't want to work real hard..football you do..they'd much rather play video games.
I dont know why...but statements like these still blow my mind. I guess they shouldnt...its what happens when one takes too many hits to the head.
Quote from: MU82 on April 03, 2019, 08:34:03 PM
It's sad to all of us. We all want our team to be great every year.
As you know, MU82, Wojo knows he's sitting on a horse bred for a Marathon when so many here want us to be a Sprinter. His feet briefly went out of the irons last year, possibly we went a little too fast early, but he's back in and the horse is loaded with run. We paid pretty well to PLACE this year, and it was multiple lengths back to the SHOW horse. Next year, Look for another early speed duel with FillyNova, followed by a few big middle moves from some some in the 2nd tier...and then watch us open up daylight on those in the stretch. After their experience gained in '19-'20, a handicapper would say that there is some serious "bottom" in this horse, a big reserve to draw from. This conference is a good one, some years even great....but it is "open company" that we fit nicely in. And when horses fit their conditions, they win. Wojo keeps the mount until he hangs up his tack.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on April 04, 2019, 06:40:40 PM
Tulane leaving the SEC in 1966 is the biggest college mistake ever.
Tulane tied first with University of Chicago decision to leave the Big Ten shortly after Jay Betwanger won the first Heisman trophy.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 04, 2019, 08:15:43 PM
Tulane tied first with University of Chicago decision to leave the Big Ten shortly after Jay Betwanger won the first Heisman trophy.
Let's not forget Norte Dame's decision to leave the Big East.
Quote from: muguru on April 04, 2019, 05:16:57 PM
That's because mommy's don't want little Billy playing football..they'd rather they play something like..soccer. It's the wussification of America in full effect. Also, kids these days don't want to work real hard..football you do..they'd much rather play video games.
I'm with you on soccer sucking. The rest of your post is fertilizer.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 04, 2019, 05:52:42 PM
I can't believe all these wussies are giving up smoking cigarettes.
Exactly.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 04, 2019, 08:15:43 PM
Tulane tied first with University of Chicago decision to leave the Big Ten shortly after Jay Betwanger won the first Heisman trophy.
Hermeneutics...
Congrats. I hear Trumpy wants to nominate you to the Board of the Federal Reserve.
I know you like an easy, simplified tax code...to go with that, please no more quantitative easing. Remember, Woodrow Wilson was in-over-his-head at Jekkyl Island. Jamil Wilson was the true gold standard, even if he did Hyde in big games other than Davidson.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 04, 2019, 05:52:42 PM
I can't believe all these wussies are giving up smoking cigarettes.
Almost spit out my high fat content ice cream when I read this.
(https://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Crazy/mouth-full-of-cigarettes.jpg)
Quote from: Ron Swanson on April 03, 2019, 06:44:39 PM
Listening to "The Fan" today down here in Raleigh and they are claiming the top 3 candidates for the open Va Tech job are Willard, Wojo and Cronin......
IMO, Buzz's situation was a bizarre one, not the norm. I would be shocked if Wojo left for Va Tech, but if it did happen, I'd have to admit that the Big East (sans Villanova) is nothing more than a stepping stone conference and Marquette is nothing more than a power 5 stepping stone job. Can't believe the league has fallen off that far since the split.....SMH.......
Hopeful that Wojo understands the importance of consistency in a program and stays here for a long, long time. While he has a long way to go to becoming a top coach, he has done good things at MU and I believe he will only get better. It'd be devastating to lose him now.
The Holtmann and Mack hires demonstrate the strength of The Big East . Ohio State and Louisville are ultra premium jobs. To have both filled by Big East coaches is impressive. I am down here in the epicenter of ACC territory and Understand the ACC is the center of the universe media mind set. However it is interesting to note that no ACC coach ( outside K and Roy)was seriously considered for Louisville and Ohio State .
Your point about consistency is excellent. Wojo needs to stay in place and make the most of Marquette's assets . As much as I thought Wojo was a d#$&ck at Duke, I believe he is doing well for Marquette. He is doing a great job getting the MU name out there in recruiting . The Marquette program can now consistently make the tournament . The consistency will ultimately yield tournament success.
I am sure I will sound contradictory, but in now way has the Big East fallen off since the split. The first year was the weak year of doubt, and thankfully having a national player of the year in McDermott got us through.
Since these the Big East has been either 2nd or 3rd every year until this year - a predictable rebuilding year that every one saw coming. The only thing that upset me this year was that it was the year to get a regular season banner on the wall because everyone else was so young, but Marquette is the best team heading into next year especially with Nova being even younger.
But at the same time, as far as resources the Big East cannot match the Power 5 because they make a gazillon dollars on football so if the school decides they really want to outbid a big east team for a coach they can - the coach may stay out of loyality or liking to be at a basketball school, but if they are looking for the biggest bucks they can be pulled away.
Overall though, i am ecstatic about how well the Big East has done since the separation.
Quote from: UNC Eagle on April 04, 2019, 09:26:07 PM
Your point about consistency is excellent. Wojo needs to stay in place and make the most of Marquette's assets . As much as I thought Wojo was a d#$&ck at Duke, I believe he is doing well for Marquette. He is doing a great job getting the MU name out there in recruiting . The Marquette program can now consistently make the tournament . The consistency will ultimately yield tournament success.
Come on now, do you really think the consistency argument works? Consider the facts:
It is really hard to not fire a coach until after 5 years that start with a miserable first three years at 38-47, then in the two tournaments he does make in his first five years bombs and is upset by an 11-seed one year, then in his 5th season when he is supposed to have a really good team gets upset in his first game to choke again - No Sweet 16s in his first 5 years - we need to stop buying tickets so we can run this guy out of town and start winning.
Oh I'm sorry, that was Coach Ks first 5 years at Duke not Wojo's first five years. If only the idiots who want Wojo out could have been their in the 80s to threaten to stop buying Duke season tickets unless Coach K was fired, then maybe some new people could have gotten season tickets!
Sorry I couldn't use teal to give away that I wasn't serious until the punch line. And I only mean idiots in a loving group way, and not directing it at any specific person.
Quote from: muguru on April 04, 2019, 05:16:57 PM
That's because mommy's don't want little Billy playing football..they'd rather they play something like..soccer. It's the wussification of America in full effect. Also, kids these days don't want to work real hard..football you do..they'd much rather play video games.
Really?
I suggest you go watch a high school swimming practice or tennis practice. You'd get exhausted just watching it.
What a bunch of morons and wusses ... they don't want to suffer multiple concussions. And they call themselves 'Mericans!
This is one of your top 10 most ridiculous posts, and that's saying something.
I gotta say, Guru hating on soccer surprised me a little bit. I mean, have you seen the "competitiveness" of the fans. Only sport in the world where you have to move games across oceans because the fans won't stop rioting against each other. I would have thought that'd be right up his alley.
Quote from: MU82 on April 04, 2019, 09:59:14 PM
Really?
I suggest you go watch a high school swimming practice or tennis practice. You'd get exhausted just watching it.
What a bunch of morons and wusses ... they don't want to suffer multiple concussions. And they call themselves 'Mericans!
This is one of your top 10 most ridiculous posts, and that's saying something.
Water polo and lacrosse are even more intense workouts.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 04, 2019, 10:07:40 PM
Water polo and lacrosse are even more intense workouts.
Great point. I refereed lacrosse one year and it was effen intense. Those guys go at it. Definitely more activity than football, and just about as violent.
Quote from: Marquetteauburn on April 04, 2019, 09:52:29 PM
Come on now, do you really think the consistency argument works? Consider the facts:
It is really hard to not fire a coach until after 5 years that start with a miserable first three years at 38-47, then in the two tournaments he does make in his first five years bombs and is upset by an 11-seed one year, then in his 5th season when he is supposed to have a really good team gets upset in his first game to choke again - No Sweet 16s in his first 5 years - we need to stop buying tickets so we can run this guy out of town and start winning.
Oh I'm sorry, that was Coach Ks first 5 years at Duke not Wojo's first five years. If only the idiots who want Wojo out could have been their in the 80s to threaten to stop buying Duke season tickets unless Coach K was fired, then maybe some new people could have gotten season tickets!
Sorry I couldn't use teal to give away that I wasn't serious until the punch line. And I only mean idiots in a loving group way, and not directing it at any specific person.
Coach K won his first round game in his fifth year, but lost the second round game. He went 1-2 in the NCAA in his first five years.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on April 03, 2019, 08:18:53 PM
That is a straw man ... the old Big East was the best ever but broke up because of football money. Basketball had nothing to do with it.
About the teams that went to the ACC - Cuse, Pitt, 'Ville and ND ... did they get better or worse? I would argue worse. Pitt is a disaster, Cuse is down, ND is invisible and 'Ville has to vacate every success they have had post BE.
Going to the ACC did nothing for their basketball success (but has been huge in getting more football money).
My point is you vastly overstate the importance of a conference. A conference is really about making 50% of your schedule easy and getting a TV contract. As you noted, Gonzaga has been an elite team without a "power" conference.
Conference affiliation is not that important when it comes to basketball winning percentages.
And don't forget the tremendous success BC has experienced there.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on April 03, 2019, 08:18:53 PM
My point is you vastly overstate the importance of a conference. A conference is really about making 50% of your schedule easy and getting a TV contract. As you noted, Gonzaga has been an elite team without a "power" conference.
Conference affiliation is not that important when it comes to basketball winning percentages.
I agree with this to some extent. Conferences = money, raising the cost for good teams in lesser conferences to compete. The beauty of bball is that you don't need a ton of money to compete (low # of players, low capital cost, etc) -- allowing David to slay Goliath.
But, what seems to be happening is that mediocre P5+ teams are starting to spend -- raising the cost of getting & keeping a good coach. This will put pressure on this dynamic....reduce competition in the lower conferences. I personally think the SEC's recent spending spree is an example of this.
Quote from: UNC Eagle on April 04, 2019, 09:26:07 PM
The Holtmann and Mack hires demonstrate the strength of The Big East . Ohio State and Louisville are ultra premium jobs. To have both filled by Big East coaches is impressive. I am down here in the epicenter of ACC territory and Understand the ACC is the center of the universe media mind set. However it is interesting to note that no ACC coach ( outside K and Roy)was seriously considered for Louisville and Ohio State .
Or perhaps no ACC coach wanted to consider Louisville or Ohio State. Why would anyone want to leave the ACC if it is considered the best hoops conference? If you are at the bottom of the league it would be highly unlikely either school you mentioned would be interested.
Quote from: muguru on April 04, 2019, 05:16:57 PM
That's because mommy's don't want little Billy playing football..they'd rather they play something like..soccer. It's the wussification of America in full effect. Also, kids these days don't want to work real hard..football you do..they'd much rather play video games.
Actually high school sports participation have seen increases for almost thirty years now.
https://www.nfhs.org/articles/high-school-sports-participation-increases-for-28th-straight-year-nears-8-million-mark/
Furthermore, the idea that the only sport in which kids work hard is football is absolutely absurd. Ever participate in a varsity cross country or swimming practice? And soccer? Those sports are every bit as physically demanding as football.
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 05, 2019, 09:37:22 AM
Or perhaps no ACC coach wanted to consider Louisville or Ohio State. Why would anyone want to leave the ACC if it is considered the best hoops conference? If you are at the bottom of the league it would be highly unlikely either school you mentioned would be interested.
You do realize that Louisville is in the ACC right?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 05, 2019, 09:51:39 AM
You do realize that Louisville is in the ACC right?
yes sir. did not articulate my point well. i guess i assumed that normally coaches don't move within the league. sorry about that.
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 05, 2019, 09:37:22 AM
Why would anyone want to leave the ACC if it is considered the best hoops conference?
Dunno. Ask Buzz.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 05, 2019, 09:47:14 AM
Actually high school sports participation have seen increases for almost thirty years now.
https://www.nfhs.org/articles/high-school-sports-participation-increases-for-28th-straight-year-nears-8-million-mark/
Furthermore, the idea that the only sport in which kids work hard is football is absolutely absurd. Ever participate in a varsity cross country or swimming practice? And soccer? Those sports are every bit as physically demanding as football.
I think he mentioned football in particular when speaking about decreasing participation. Nearing a drop of 100,000 participants since 2008.
As far as working hard in other sports, you are spot on.
Quote from: muguru on April 04, 2019, 05:16:57 PM
That's because mommy's don't want little Billy playing football..they'd rather they play something like..soccer. It's the wussification of America in full effect. Also, kids these days don't want to work real hard..football you do..they'd much rather play video games.
This statement is a joke. Football is the most overrated sport in terms of how much work you actually put in. I saw a study once that showed the QB actually plays a total of about 8 minutes plus the team gets a rest every 10 seconds. Compare that to say soccer where you're actually running the entire time.
Your wussification idea is stuck from when you were busy taping Larry Lester's butt cheeks together. Had you gone to a school with contact sports where you need an ounce of athletic ability you'd realize how far down on the totem poll football is
I've re-read guru's post a couple of times, and now I think he just didn't use teal.
It is so ridiculous that I think he "got us" with it.
Quote from: MU82 on April 06, 2019, 07:30:08 AM
I've re-read guru's post a couple of times, and now I think he just didn't use teal.
It is so ridiculous that I think he "got us" with it.
You must've missed gurus April fools day post. Guru don't do jokes
Quote from: NickelDimer on April 06, 2019, 08:47:26 AM
You must've missed gurus April fools day post. Guru don't do jokes
As y'all know, I'm an optimist!
Quote from: MU82 on April 06, 2019, 07:30:08 AM
I've re-read guru's post a couple of times, and now I think he just didn't use teal.
It is so ridiculous that I think he "got us" with it.
Nope, didn't get you at all...I said what I said, and I meant what I meant. HS football #'s are way down, at least here in Wisconsin(don't know about other states). Programs have had to cancel seasons for lack of #'s. I have heard/seen/read comments multiple times through the years that Mommy's in particular won't let little Johnny play football. They are deathly afraid of little Johnny getting hurt...So, little Johnny goes and plays soccer...the epitome of "non contact" sport. A lot less likely you get hurt playing soccer than you do football.
Kids also quit football at the beginning of the year, all the time, make it through a practice or two and that's it. Why?? because it's too hard, they simply don't want to work that hard. Now they may not go play soccer either, because that too requires an effort. However, playing video games does not require that much effort in reality.
Sure, soccer players have to have mega endurance because of all the running they do chasing after that ball...I can see how that would wear you out, I mean it wears me out to the point where if I ever watch even a minute of it, I fall asleep..from...exhaustion, okay, well boredom, but you get my point. In what world is soccer anywhere close to the having the amount of physical contact that football does?? Therefore, injuries are far more likely(especially serious ones), in football then in soccer. That is not even close to debatable. Hence why Mommy's don't want their boys playing football..too afraid of them getting hurt. A lot Kids just aren't tough enough these days...reality.
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 10:26:35 AM
Nope, didn't get you at all...I said what I said, and I meant what I meant. HS football #'s are way down, at least here in Wisconsin(don't know about other states). Programs have had to cancel seasons for lack of #'s. I have heard/seen/read comments multiple times through the years that Mommy's in particular won't let little Johnny play football. They are deathly afraid of little Johnny getting hurt...So, little Johnny goes and plays soccer...the epitome of "non contact" sport. A lot less likely you get hurt playing soccer than you do football.
Kids also quit football at the beginning of the year, all the time, make it through a practice or two and that's it. Why?? because it's too hard, they simply don't want to work that hard. Now they may not go play soccer either, because that too requires an effort. However, playing video games does not require that much effort in reality.
Sure, soccer players have to have mega endurance because of all the running they do chasing after that ball...I can see how that would wear you out, I mean it wears me out to the point where if I ever watch even a minute of it, I fall asleep..from...exhaustion, okay, well boredom, but you get my point. In what world is soccer anywhere close to the having the amount of physical contact that football does?? Therefore, injuries are far more likely(especially serious ones), in football then in soccer. That is not even close to debatable. Hence why Mommy's don't want their boys playing football..too afraid of them getting hurt. A lot Kids just aren't tough enough these days...reality.
I agree with this analysis
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 10:26:35 AM
Nope, didn't get you at all...I said what I said, and I meant what I meant. HS football #'s are way down, at least here in Wisconsin(don't know about other states). Programs have had to cancel seasons for lack of #'s. I have heard/seen/read comments multiple times through the years that Mommy's in particular won't let little Johnny play football. They are deathly afraid of little Johnny getting hurt...So, little Johnny goes and plays soccer...the epitome of "non contact" sport. A lot less likely you get hurt playing soccer than you do football.
Kids also quit football at the beginning of the year, all the time, make it through a practice or two and that's it. Why?? because it's too hard, they simply don't want to work that hard. Now they may not go play soccer either, because that too requires an effort. However, playing video games does not require that much effort in reality.
Sure, soccer players have to have mega endurance because of all the running they do chasing after that ball...I can see how that would wear you out, I mean it wears me out to the point where if I ever watch even a minute of it, I fall asleep..from...exhaustion, okay, well boredom, but you get my point. In what world is soccer anywhere close to the having the amount of physical contact that football does?? Therefore, injuries are far more likely(especially serious ones), in football then in soccer. That is not even close to debatable. Hence why Mommy's don't want their boys playing football..too afraid of them getting hurt. A lot Kids just aren't tough enough these days...reality.
Did you play high school football?
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 10:26:35 AM
Nope, didn't get you at all...I said what I said, and I meant what I meant. HS football #'s are way down, at least here in Wisconsin(don't know about other states). Programs have had to cancel seasons for lack of #'s. I have heard/seen/read comments multiple times through the years that Mommy's in particular won't let little Johnny play football. They are deathly afraid of little Johnny getting hurt...So, little Johnny goes and plays soccer...the epitome of "non contact" sport. A lot less likely you get hurt playing soccer than you do football.
Kids also quit football at the beginning of the year, all the time, make it through a practice or two and that's it. Why?? because it's too hard, they simply don't want to work that hard. Now they may not go play soccer either, because that too requires an effort. However, playing video games does not require that much effort in reality.
Sure, soccer players have to have mega endurance because of all the running they do chasing after that ball...I can see how that would wear you out, I mean it wears me out to the point where if I ever watch even a minute of it, I fall asleep..from...exhaustion, okay, well boredom, but you get my point. In what world is soccer anywhere close to the having the amount of physical contact that football does?? Therefore, injuries are far more likely(especially serious ones), in football then in soccer. That is not even close to debatable. Hence why Mommy's don't want their boys playing football..too afraid of them getting hurt. A lot Kids just aren't tough enough these days...reality.
Hockey and Lacrosse numbers are up so it's not your wussification idea it's that football is a boring sport that breeds entitlement and kids would rather actually play than be third string and barely break a sweat despite all the hard work.
Years ago football numbers were on the rise around when boxing numbers were dropping, I wonder if you considered that a wussification of america back then as well?
Heck american football was the slowed down bastard of rugby that americans decided they were too delicate to play without pads so maybe americans in general are wussies?
And I have no idea what physical contact during a sporting event has to do with toughening people up.
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 10:26:35 AM
Nope, didn't get you at all...I said what I said, and I meant what I meant. HS football #'s are way down, at least here in Wisconsin(don't know about other states). Programs have had to cancel seasons for lack of #'s. I have heard/seen/read comments multiple times through the years that Mommy's in particular won't let little Johnny play football. They are deathly afraid of little Johnny getting hurt...So, little Johnny goes and plays soccer...the epitome of "non contact" sport. A lot less likely you get hurt playing soccer than you do football.
Kids also quit football at the beginning of the year, all the time, make it through a practice or two and that's it. Why?? because it's too hard, they simply don't want to work that hard. Now they may not go play soccer either, because that too requires an effort. However, playing video games does not require that much effort in reality.
Sure, soccer players have to have mega endurance because of all the running they do chasing after that ball...I can see how that would wear you out, I mean it wears me out to the point where if I ever watch even a minute of it, I fall asleep..from...exhaustion, okay, well boredom, but you get my point. In what world is soccer anywhere close to the having the amount of physical contact that football does?? Therefore, injuries are far more likely(especially serious ones), in football then in soccer. That is not even close to debatable. Hence why Mommy's don't want their boys playing football..too afraid of them getting hurt. A lot Kids just aren't tough enough these days...reality.
I played soccer and football in high school, in California they are different times of the year. Many of us did. Football was a cakewalk in terms of getting into shape as during a soccer game we ran probably close to 6 miles per game, only one break at halftime. My only broken bones in athletics...soccer. No protection with soccer. Do I think parents are overreacting with football...yes, but let's not dismiss other sports.
I think a lot has changed in HS football in the last 40+ years. These kids are bigger, faster, and hit harder. Therein lies the increased risk. Back in the day on a muddy field blocking a 220 lineman or a 180 linebacker at relatively slow speed really wasn't that big a deal. I saw exactly one knee injury in 4 years. I'm sure there were concussions occasionally so that was an under addressed issue for sure. But mostly we got abrasions and dirty and tired. Not launched into next week.
I can't imagine the collision forces you see today on synthetic fields in from of 30,000 fans like they have down in Texas. I wouldn't want my kid playing that.
Quote from: Cheeks on April 06, 2019, 10:49:32 AM
I played soccer and football in high school, in California they are different times of the year. Many of us did. Football was a cakewalk in terms of getting into shape as during a soccer game we ran probably close to 6 miles per game, only one break at halftime. My only broken bones in athletics...soccer. No protection with soccer. Do I think parents are overreacting with football...yes, but let's not dismiss other sports.
Soccer is 100% full contact. Just because an aim of the game is not maiming the opponent on each play, doesn't mean there arent consistent and constant collisions. And as Cheeks said, no padding or protections. Soccer players routinely miss time due to a variety of injuries that are tougher to play through due to constant activity and motion.
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 12:07:48 PM
Of course I did, all 4 years..along with basketball and baseball.
It's a bit weird you consider soccer a "non-contact" sport when you played baseball, a sport in which you could play an entire game not coming into contact with an opponent.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on April 06, 2019, 12:11:03 PM
It's a bit weird you consider soccer a "non-contact" sport when you played baseball, a sport in which you could play an entire game not coming into contact with an opponent.
I just do not understand at all, the appeal of soccer and why it is so universally praised. Seriously...is it simply because it's the one sport that every country seems to participate in?? I mean honestly, it's chasing after a ball, constantly running and trying to keep the other team from scoring...games are always usually so low scoring 1-0 etc. I mean, I'm sure there's some strategy that goes into it, but realistically, it all comes down to whether or not you can kick the ball in the net, past the goalie or not. Sounds thrilling.
For the record, I am also not a hockey fan.
So if Guru does not like a sport it means those who play it are participating in the wussification of America
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 12:15:58 PM
I just do not understand at all, the appeal of soccer and why it is so universally praised. Seriously...is it simply because it's the one sport that every country seems to participate in?? I mean honestly, it's chasing after a ball, constantly running and trying to keep the other team from scoring...games are always usually so low scoring 1-0 etc. I mean, I'm sure there's some strategy that goes into it, but realistically, it all comes down to whether or not you can kick the ball in the net, past the goalie or not. Sounds thrilling.
For the record, I am also not a hockey fan.
You realise if you dumb down any sport you can make it sound unappealing. So far it seems your rant about the wussafication was wrong and is just a way to vent your hatred of soccer
Football is just trying to hold onto a ball and run it past a line, oh and yeah you occasionally kick it over a bar if you suck at moving the ball. Plus everybody's too unathletic to play for more than 15 seconds at a time. Basketball is chasing a ball that bounces, constantly running, and trying to shoot it into a net.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 06, 2019, 12:22:21 PM
So if Guru does not like a sport it means those who play it are participating in the wussification of America
This, I mentioned many other contact sports that are on the rise and he ignores it. I mentioned why football even got high numbers in the first place and he ignores it. If it doesn't fit his narrative his mind can't comprehend it.
Remind me again how exciting the Super Bowl was? I realize that soccer isn't everyone's cup of tea, but soccer has been the most popular sport in the world since before basketball was even invented. You can like your favorite sport without sh!tting on others.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 06, 2019, 12:22:21 PM
So if Guru does not like a sport it means those who play it are participating in the wussification of America
I'm just stating facts...I know TONS of HS kids around here, that quit football and joined the soccer teams instead...tell me why that is. There are only a few possible reasons, and I touched on all of them. No other explanation. It's crystal clear.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 06, 2019, 12:28:49 PM
Remind me again how exciting the Super Bowl was? I realize that soccer isn't everyone's cup of tea, but soccer has been the most popular sport in the world since before basketball was even invented. You can like your favorite sport without sh!tting on others.
Yes, but why?? That's what baffles me, I don't get that at all. Different strokes for different folks i guess, but it HAS to be because it's the one sport that almost every country participates in, and the rules are all the same, so everyone in every country can relate to it?? Much like the Englander Galway's dislike for American football. Is that it?? Is that why the world cup is so popular??
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 12:31:38 PM
I'm just stating facts...I know TONS of HS kids around here, that quit football and joined the soccer teams instead...tell me why that is. There are only a few possible reasons, and I touched on all of them. No other explanation. It's crystal clear.
I wont let my kid play football...neither will his "mommy." No women's hockey for our daughters either. Have a good friend...Dr at UVA...does research on concussions...his kids dont play those sports either. As much as the concussions concern me...i dislike football just as much because there are often people like you who think its a way to prove toughness and become a man. Ill figure out a way to teach those skills without acting like an 8th grader and ripping on soccer players. Youre a grown ass man.
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 12:31:38 PM
I'm just stating facts...I know TONS of HS kids around here,
Does your parole officer know a out this??
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 12:35:13 PM
Yes, but why?? That's what baffles me, I don't get that at all. Different strokes for different folks i guess, but it HAS to be because it's the one sport that almost every country participates in, and the rules are all the same, so everyone in every country can relate to it?? Much like the Englander Galway's dislike for American football. Is that it?? Is that why the world cup is so popular??
Englander? Geography much? Not saying much for that whitewater education... or the brain cells of former football players
And it's so popular because it's quite possibly the most accessible sport to play at all levels of poverty. One can be from a tribe in africa or south america and still have the same capacity to play with a homemade ball as much as one who spends a fortune on high end cleats, and travel teams.
No court, no additional padding, no additional equipment, goal can be whatever you make of it, there's a low likelihood of major injury (relative to other accessible sports), I could go on. There's very few sports that can be said for that, if any others.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 06, 2019, 12:46:42 PM
I wont let my kid play football...neither will his "mommy." No women's hockey for our daughters either. Have a good friend...Dr at UVA...does research on concussions...his kids dont play those sports either. As much as the concussions concern me...i dislike football just as much because there are often people like you who think its a way to prove toughness and become a man. Ill figure out a way to teach those skills without acting like an 8th grader and ripping on soccer players. Youre a grown ass man.
I asked Andrew Luck the other day, he just got married, you going to let your kids play football. This is a very smart guy. Answer....yes. Now, he may change his mind, but that's his opinion now. Life has dangers, some more than others. I enjoyed football very much...it is tough to get 11 guys to do everything properly to execute as a unit for a play to work. Something very cool about that, but it isn't for everyone. There have been other pro football players that won't let their kids play. Personal decision.
I'll hold off on forming any opinion on how tough athletes are in each sport until Keefer weighs in and sets the record straight with his facts on it.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 06, 2019, 12:47:52 PM
Englander? Geography much? Not saying much for that whitewater education... or the brain cells of former football players
And it's so popular because it's quite possibly the most accessible sport to play at all levels of poverty. One can be from a tribe in africa or south america and still have the same capacity to play with a homemade ball as much as one who spends a fortune on high end cleats, and travel teams.
No court, no additional padding, no additional equipment, goal can be whatever you make of it, there's a low likelihood of major injury (relative to other accessible sports), I could go on. There's very few sports that can be said for that, if any others.
My apologies to the IRISHMAN Galway. The above bolded part is what I was stating in my posts and yet, you crucified me for it, now you admit it yourself. People are too afraid of getting hurt...that to me = Wussy.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 06, 2019, 12:46:42 PM
I wont let my kid play football...neither will his "mommy." No women's hockey for our daughters either. Have a good friend...Dr at UVA...does research on concussions...his kids dont play those sports either. As much as the concussions concern me...i dislike football just as much because there are often people like you who think its a way to prove toughness and become a man. Ill figure out a way to teach those skills without acting like an 8th grader and ripping on soccer players. Youre a grown ass man.
This post speaks for itself...I've got nothing to add. It says all it needs to say all by itself.
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 12:58:47 PM
My apologies to the IRISHMAN Galway. The above bolded part is what I was stating in my posts and yet, you crucified me for it, now you admit it yourself. People are too afraid of getting hurt...that to me = Wussy.
I didn't crucify you for the lack of injury portion. I stated low chance of injury
relative to the other sports that don't require extra equipment (rugby, boxing). I played lacrosse for JR high, four years of high school and two at MU, Boxed since i was 11 and played Hurling for years. and thus I was crucifying you for this belief that football is the end all be all of contact sports and that anybody that doesn't play is somehow part of this wussification of the youth you believe in. Rugby, ice hockey, lacrosse, boxing, MMA, Hurling, Gaelic Football, water polo (to a certain extent), etc there's loads of contact sports out there that range from harder hits, to more physically taxing than football.
I played plenty of rec soccer and will say it's loads of fun to play even though I'm not that good.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 06, 2019, 01:08:54 PM
I didn't crucify you for the lack of injury portion. I stated low chance of injury relative to the other sports that don't require extra equipment (rugby, boxing). I played lacrosse for JR high, four years of high school and two at MU, Boxed since i was 11 and played Hurling for years. and thus I was crucifying you for this belief that football is the end all be all of contact sports and that anybody that doesn't play is somehow part of this wussification of the youth you believe in. Rugby, ice hockey, lacrosse, boxing, MMA, Hurling, Gaelic Football, water polo (to a certain extent), etc there's loads of contact sports out there that range from harder hits, to more physically taxing than football.
I played plenty of rec soccer and will say it's loads of fun to play even though I'm not that good.
No, no, you miss understood me...there are plenty of sports which you listed above Lacrosse, boxing etc that are major contact sports. Wasn't saying football is the be all end all of contact sports...but in comparison to soccer..I don't think there is any argument to be made about what is the more contact sport.
Plus, let's be fair Galway, you don't live in the USA and others countries views for the most part on American football are all the same. I think that's because they don't have the sport, at least not in the same context, so it's hard to relate. That has to be why soccer is so popular. Everyone plays soccer.
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 12:07:48 PM
Of course I did
Yet you seem to be one of the most sensitive guys on here. Strange.
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 12:31:38 PM
I'm just stating facts...I know TONS of HS kids around here, that quit football and joined the soccer teams instead...tell me why that is. There are only a few possible reasons, and I touched on all of them. No other explanation. It's crystal clear.
Because they don't want to get hurt but still want to be in good shape and experience the other benefits of being on a high school sports team? Like team building, leadership, and pushing yourself?
And BTW guru, my kids all played youth football. I have no problem with it but we're fine when they migrated to other sports. It wasn't some moral failing.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 06, 2019, 01:19:15 PM
Yet you seem to be one of the most sensitive guys on here. Strange.
Ha! far from it...not even close, I have as thick a skin as they come...I just have a problem with people thinking I can't have my opinion(which is different from most people's) on certain things.
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 12:35:13 PM
Yes, but why?? That's what baffles me, I don't get that at all. Different strokes for different folks i guess, but it HAS to be because it's the one sport that almost every country participates in, and the rules are all the same, so everyone in every country can relate to it?? Much like the Englander Galway's dislike for American football. Is that it?? Is that why the world cup is so popular??
TBH I think its countries supporting sports that they invented. The US invented football, no one else plays it. US invented baseball, which explains the lack of cricket presence in this country. US invented lacrosse, and while it's not huge here, no one else plays it. A couple of other countries play basketball, but nowhere near the level that we do.
Variations of soccer have been played around the world for centuries. Hockey is mostly big in the states because of Canada. Rugby has very little presence in this country. Cricket as mentioned earlier.
Bottom line, if a country didn't invent it, it will be extremely hesitant to embrace it.
Quote from: Cheeks on April 06, 2019, 12:52:53 PM
I asked Andrew Luck the other day, he just got married, you going to let your kids play football. This is a very smart guy. Answer....yes. Now, he may change his mind, but that's his opinion now. Life has dangers, some more than others. I enjoyed football very much...it is tough to get 11 guys to do everything properly to execute as a unit for a play to work. Something very cool about that, but it isn't for everyone. There have been other pro football players that won't let their kids play. Personal decision.
Ching! Ching! Ching!
Quote from: Jockey on April 06, 2019, 01:34:21 PM
Ching! Ching! Ching!
Yup. Just the facts.
How's Canada....how come Mexico wasn't on the list..weird.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 06, 2019, 01:27:28 PM
TBH I think its countries supporting sports that they invented. The US invented football, no one else plays it. US invented baseball, which explains the lack of cricket presence in this country. US invented lacrosse, and while it's not huge here, no one else plays it. A couple of other countries play basketball, but nowhere near the level that we do.
Variations of soccer have been played around the world for centuries. Hockey is mostly big in the states because of Canada. Rugby has very little presence in this country. Cricket as mentioned earlier.
Bottom line, if a country didn't invent it, it will be extremely hesitant to embrace it.
For the record we didn't invent baseball. We changed the rules to Rounders. Same with football (originally), we just changed the rules to rugby.
My sibling is good friends with a sports agent who represents a lot of football players, one of the top guys. So, what does this agent do about his kids and football? He won't let them play. Zero chance. All due to what he's seen regarding head injuries.
I'm guessing that muguru played some serious football growing up and lots of it. He was probably a hard hitter. I have nothing to base this on but circumstantial evidence, but just making some logical deductions... :P Ya, this is meant as a joke.
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 01:17:58 PM
No, no, you miss understood me...there are plenty of sports which you listed above Lacrosse, boxing etc that are major contact sports. Wasn't saying football is the be all end all of contact sports...but in comparison to soccer..I don't think there is any argument to be made about what is the more contact sport.
Plus, let's be fair Galway, you don't live in the USA and others countries views for the most part on American football are all the same. I think that's because they don't have the sport, at least not in the same context, so it's hard to relate. That has to be why soccer is so popular. Everyone plays soccer.
Apologies for the misunderstanding.
I'm 28 tomorrow and have lived in Chicago or Milwaukee for 26.5 of those years. My jaded view of football developed there not here. But you could be right, I might just be some weird minority that finds football truly the most boring contact sport and second most boring sport (baseball)
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 06, 2019, 01:42:44 PM
For the record we didn't invent baseball. We changed the rules to Rounders. Same with football (originally), we just changed the rules to rugby.
Did not know that thanks. I think the point still stands that people support sports sports that their country invented/adopted. Soccer was extremely sparse in this country pre 1994 WC/MLS launch.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 06, 2019, 01:53:10 PM
Apologies for the misunderstanding.
I'm 28 tomorrow and have lived in Chicago or Milwaukee for 26.5 of those years. My jaded view of football developed there not here. But you could be right, I might just be some weird minority that finds football truly the most boring contact sport and second most boring sport (baseball)
You know Galway it amazes me...Just the vibe I get here(and no way of knowing for sure), is that there's a lot of posters here that aren't particularly big football fans. I gotta be honest, as popular as it is, that does surprise me. Then again, it also kind of surprises me how many appear to be big NBA fans, and I'm not a fan at all. I'm a college basketball/football and then baseball guy, and that's it for me. My passion is for CBB though, above all else.
Youre entiled to your own opinion...i have no problem with parents allowing their kids to play football...i really dont even have a problem with you calling kids and their parents wusses. Its just who you are.
As far as soccer being boring...11 minutes of live action in a 3 hour football game.
The tell tale on football is the issues youth organizations are running into when they try to get insurance. Insurace companies understand risk very well...
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 12:31:38 PM
I'm just stating facts...I know TONS of HS kids around here, that quit football and joined the soccer teams instead...tell me why that is. There are only a few possible reasons, and I touched on all of them. No other explanation. It's crystal clear.
Maybe they like soccer more than football?
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 12:31:38 PM
I'm just stating facts...I know TONS of HS kids around here, that quit football and joined the soccer teams instead...tell me why that is. There are only a few possible reasons, and I touched on all of them. No other explanation. It's crystal clear.
A few possible reasons? Because soccer requires more skill, more endurance, is more fun to play, is more fun to watch, the list goes on and on. American football is, for me, the most mind numbingly boring thing to watch. It's nothing but replays, sideline shots, and commercials. Watching paint dry is more engaging.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 06, 2019, 03:30:50 PM
A few possible reasons? Because soccer requires more skill, more endurance, is more fun to play, is more fun to watch, the list goes on and on. American football is, for me, the most mind numbingly boring thing to watch. It's nothing but replays, sideline shots, and commercials. Watching paint dry is more engaging.
Watching guys run back and forth for 3+ hours for a 1-0 game is like watching grass grow. To each his own. May be fun to play, but hard on the eyes for many.
Quote from: Nukem2 on April 06, 2019, 03:34:32 PM
Watching guys run back and forth for 3+ hours for a 1-0 game is like watching grass grow. To each his own. May be fun to play, but hard on the eyes for many.
But watching a game for over three hours and only seeing about 11min of action is exciting? I think people way over hype football due to the occasional highlight reel play or the fact that they're usually a few beers in when watching.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 06, 2019, 03:30:50 PM
A few possible reasons? Because soccer requires more skill, more endurance, is more fun to play, is more fun to watch, the list goes on and on. American football is, for me, the most mind numbingly boring thing to watch. It's nothing but replays, sideline shots, and commercials. Watching paint dry is more engaging.
You think watching paint dry is more engaging then watching football?? And watching soccer is more exciting?? Damn, that's crazy! How in the hell can you enjoy a 1-0 game?? Watching football and the hitting, and the pure athleticism on display, watching guys get jacked up...the amazing catches, the cuts by the running backs, watching a lineman pancake someone..
How is soccer more fun to play?? With all due respect, it's running up and down a field and kicking a ball for however long a soccer game lasts. Sundays during football season, I'm watching football from the time the pregame shows come on, until the Sunday night game ends...I get Sunday ticket so I can watch any game I want..it's football man..the most popular sport in America!
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 03:42:02 PM
You think watching paint dry is more engaging then watching football?? And watching soccer is more exciting?? Damn, that's crazy! How in the hell can you enjoy a 1-0 game?? Watching football and the hitting, and the pure athleticism on display, watching guys get jacked up...the amazing catches, the cuts by the running backs, watching a lineman pancake someone..
How is soccer more fun to play?? With all due respect, it's running up and down a field and kicking a ball for however long a soccer game lasts. Sundays during football season, I'm watching football from the time the pregame shows come on, until the Sunday night game ends...I get Sunday ticket so I can watch any game I want..it's football man..the most popular sport in America!
I would rather watch a 0-0 soccer match than just about any football game. It's painfully boring. I want to watch actual game action. Football has 11 minutes of that in a 3+ hour timespan. Soccer has 95+ minutes of action in 2 hours.
And it's worse for the players because with the offense/defense swap outs, those players are only spending about 5 minutes every 3 hours doing something (factoring a minute for special teams). How is that fun? In soccer, you're actually playing the game those 95+ minutes.
I'm amazed anyone is physically capable of sitting still for an entire football game when literally 93.9% of the time there is absolutely nothing going on.
College football, 12 plus hours every Saturday, I watch! The pride. The color. The sound. The tradition. I can't stand watching the NFL. It's boring!
Anyways, whatever anyone likes, get it all over ya!
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 06, 2019, 02:38:06 AM
This statement is a joke. Football is the most overrated sport in terms of how much work you actually put in. I saw a study once that showed the QB actually plays a total of about 8 minutes plus the team gets a rest every 10 seconds. Compare that to say soccer where you're actually running the entire time.
Your wussification idea is stuck from when you were busy taping Larry Lester's butt cheeks together. Had you gone to a school with contact sports where you need an ounce of athletic ability you'd realize how far down on the totem poll football is
Serious question: have you ever played football? It's very tiring.
With respect to soccer, don't forget the 60-90 second breaks that take place every few minutes when a guy is laying on the ground after a flop.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on April 06, 2019, 03:53:06 PM
College football, 12 plus hours I watch. The pride. The color. The sound. The tradition. I can't stand watching the NFL. It's boring!
Anyways, whatever anyone likes, get it all over ya!
I guess the vibe I was getting was right, at least several here that don't like the NFL...that blows me away. But, I guess it's no different then me not liking the NBA(will watch the Bucks during the playoffs though), and I think many here like that.
Another thing that i love about football is the off season, absolutely LOVE the draft and free agency/trades. That has to factor in.
Quote from: Eldon on April 06, 2019, 04:05:02 PM
Serious question: have you ever played football? It's very tiring.
With respect to soccer, don't forget the 60-90 second breaks that take place every few minutes when a guy is laying on the ground after a flop.
Nope every sport I've played at a truly competitive level since 8th grade is Lacrosse, Boxing and Hurling.
The idea that those 8 minutes are remotely as exhausting as 90min+ of soccer just seems far fetched. If you can use breaks as arguments against soccer then the same can be said and then some with football...
Quote from: Eldon on April 06, 2019, 04:05:02 PM
Serious question: have you ever played football? It's very tiring.
With respect to soccer, don't forget the 60-90 second breaks that take place every few minutes when a guy is laying on the ground after a flop.
Every few min, give me a break. Flopping is a problem actively being addressed at the highest levels of the game and as a result is on the decline. The breaks for fouls far dwarf the increments you claim.
And football is tiring, sure, compared to baseball. The endurance required for football greatly lags behind that needed for soccer, basketball, or hockey. Most football players don't train for extended endurance, the focus on training of fast twitch muscle movements and burst, so longer runs or extended action winds them. I would imagine the converted rugby players who play football don't find it overly tiring.
Okay i will be fair here, since people say I am beating up on soccer...truth is, if it was a matter of life or death, and football, baseball or basketball weren't an option, I would likely choose to watch soccer over say...golf, or cycling, or nascar, or figure skating. So soccer has that going for it with me anyway, which is nice. ;D
So exhausting. Maybe people can watch what they want without judgement? I know that's a novel concept...
What the hell do you people do on fall Saturday's and Sunday's if you don't like watching football?? :P
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 04:54:55 PM
What the hell do you people do on fall Saturday's and Sunday's if you don't like watching football?? :P
They watch soccer reruns. :)
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 04:54:55 PM
What the hell do you people do on fall Saturday's and Sunday's if you don't like watching football?? :P
Premier league
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 04:54:55 PM
What the hell do you people do on fall Saturday's and Sunday's if you don't like watching football?? :P
European professional leagues generally run from August-May. And later in the day, tend to household work, go see a movie, grocery shop, or catch up on the DVR.
Wojo to VT? Don't think so. Makes little sense for Wojie. He would need to outdo the Buzzard to eventually go on to Duke. How likely is that? Oh, I am sorry should be easy given the prognostications here.
I think both soccer and football are incredibly boring. Give me basketball and baseball all day. Amazingly, people can enjoy different things
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 06, 2019, 06:04:37 PM
I think both soccer and football are incredibly boring. Give me basketball and baseball all day. Amazingly, people can enjoy different things
Well,yeah. Baseball can be incredibly boring waiting for pitchers to throw and now the endless parades to the mound and multiple relief pitchers. Guess the beer sales go way up.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 06, 2019, 06:04:37 PM
I think both soccer and football are incredibly boring. Give me basketball and baseball all day. Amazingly, people can enjoy different things
American football bores me to death
4 hours long
A 5 second play followed by 60 seconds of nothing, penalties galore. Commercilas galore. I will go watch a game with friends but rarely watch any of it maybe a big play on replay on ovcasion beyond that , boring as hell
Quote from: muguru on April 04, 2019, 05:16:57 PM
That's because mommy's don't want little Billy playing football..they'd rather they play something like..soccer. It's the wussification of America in full effect. Also, kids these days don't want to work real hard..football you do..they'd much rather play video games.
I'll let my daughter know she is causing the wussification of America. She might not care, after 4 hours in the pool everyday she's pretty tired.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 06, 2019, 01:27:28 PM
TBH I think its countries supporting sports that they invented. The US invented football, no one else plays it. US invented baseball, which explains the lack of cricket presence in this country. US invented lacrosse, and while it's not huge here, no one else plays it. A couple of other countries play basketball, but nowhere near the level that we do.
Variations of soccer have been played around the world for centuries. Hockey is mostly big in the states because of Canada. Rugby has very little presence in this country. Cricket as mentioned earlier.
Bottom line, if a country didn't invent it, it will be extremely hesitant to embrace it.
North American Indian tribes invented Lacrosse so it is played in Canada and The US .
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 06, 2019, 06:32:26 PM
North American Indian tribes invented Lacrosse so it is played in Canada and The US .
Yea saying that the US invented it was a mistake on my part. The sport was invented in North America thus it is primarily played in North America.
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 04:54:55 PM
What the hell do you people do on fall Saturday's and Sunday's if you don't like watching football?? :P
Ice fish...we pack in to the boundary waters and camp....do it a few times a winter...its a real wussy thing to do. 6 mile hike in through deep snow...set up camp...routinely below zero wind chills. No video games...great camp fires and northen lights.
I played football in HS...used to watch it (and bet on it) all weekend. Its ruined for me. The rules are crazy...replay is a joke (and getting worse)...i no longer enjoy watching guys get jacked up who later committ suicide.
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 10:26:35 AM
Sure, soccer players have to have mega endurance because of all the running they do chasing after that ball...I can see how that would wear you out, I mean it wears me out to the point where if I ever watch even a minute of it, I fall asleep..from...exhaustion, okay, well boredom, but you get my point. In what world is soccer anywhere close to the having the amount of physical contact that football does??
My son played football and soccer most of his youth, including in HS. He played offensive line in football, and right back in soccer. Much to my surprise, he always insisted that he considered soccer much more physical and got more banged up and bruised playing defense in soccer than he did playing o-line in football.
Not saying that's everyone's experience, but it was his.
Football is far and away my favorite sport to watch. NFL, college, high school...whatever.
But I've also come to appreciate soccer. The lack of scoring doesn't bother me. One of the reasons soccer is so low scoring - as compared to football - is that soccer doesn't award three points for a stalled offensive drive like football does. If soccer awarded 7 points for every goal and 3 points for every nice offensive drive that came up short, you'd see lots of 24-17 games.
According to Asbury Park Press Willard has pulled out of VT offer and is staying with SH. That leaves Wojo and Cronin.
Fansided picks Wojo for VT.
https://bustingbrackets.com/2019/04/05/virginia-tech-basketball-5-coaching-replacements-for-buzz-williams/6/
Quote from: Class71 on April 06, 2019, 07:35:31 PM
According to Asbury Park Press Willard has pulled out of VT offer and is staying with SH. That leaves Wojo and Cronin.
Considering Ryan Odom from UMBC turned them down today, I think they're well past the Wojo/Cronin rung on the coaching ladder.
Quote from: MU82 on April 06, 2019, 08:55:28 AM
As y'all know, I'm an optimist!
Hoo new? Taught ewe were atheist, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 06, 2019, 08:54:31 PM
Hoo new? Taught ewe were atheist, hey?
As my fadder-in-law would say: Da boata dem.
Coaching fall baseball with double headers on Sunday until the middle of October. Then literally anything else. Soccer, baseball, golf, family. I watched about 3 college football games and the same number of NFL games not involving Detroit.
I have never seen Kyler Murray or Pat Mahomes throw a regular season pass.
Superbar, or more appropriately, stupidbar.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 06, 2019, 06:45:29 PM
Yea saying that the US invented it was a mistake on my part. The sport was invented in North America thus it is primarily played in North America.
Your general observation is a sound one.
I truly am amazed at how many of you despise football...seriously I am. I can't say I have ever known any male that doesn't at least watch it casually from time to time....and some of the things you guys do instead of watch football?? I honestly can say, that really does tell me a lot about all of you, and now it all makes more sense to me.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 06, 2019, 05:28:50 PM
European professional leagues generally run from August-May. And later in the day, tend to household work, go see a movie, grocery shop, or catch up on the DVR.
smh...what a world we live in now
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 10:59:33 PM
I truly am amazed at how many of you despise football...seriously I am. I can't say I have ever known any male that doesn't at least watch it casually from time to time....and some of the things you guys do instead of watch football?? I honestly can say, that really does tell me a lot about all of you, and now it all makes more sense to me.
Please tell us what it tell you about these people. Inquiring minds want to know. Cause all it tells me is that they don't like football.
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 11:10:46 PM
smh...what a world we live in now
Do you not do housework or grocery shop?
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 10:59:33 PM
I truly am amazed at how many of you despise football...seriously I am. I can't say I have ever known any male that doesn't at least watch it casually from time to time....and some of the things you guys do instead of watch football?? I honestly can say, that really does tell me a lot about all of you, and now it all makes more sense to me.
I actually spend most of football season hunting, watch football casually at best. Group of friends get together most Sundays , potluck foods n beer, around the pool etc. primarily to watch the Bears. Very few pay attention , including me to very much of it at all. Scroring play or big play repkays for the most part. If im even there, typically in a deer stand or preferrably a duck blind
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 06, 2019, 11:39:02 PM
Please tell us what it tell you about these people. Inquiring minds want to know. Cause all it tells me is that they don't like football.
Do you not do housework or grocery shop?
Let it go, TAMU.
Some people just do what they're told their whole lives and then look down on others who don't think or act like them.
If I had a dollar for every loudmouth dipshiite at OTB screaming for the Bearzz every play despite it having no effect on their lives I would be retired. I just crank the volume up to Max on my headphones and turn up the dulcet race calls of Trevor Denman from DelMar or Kurt Becker at historic Keeneland. Alive in multi-race wagers like Pick4's or Pick5's, in my book, I am in my Nirvana. You would think at an off-track betting I could enjoy the company of like-minded contrarians. But the slobbering Bear fan behind me won't shut up. Trust me, he didn't even have a bet down on them.
Quote from: NorthernDancerColt on April 07, 2019, 12:45:50 AM
Let it go, TAMU.
Some people just do what they're told their whole lives and then look down on others who don't think or act like them.
If I had a dollar for every loudmouth dipshiite at OTB screaming for the Bearzz every play despite it having no effect on their lives I would be retired. I just crank the volume up to Max on my headphones and turn up the dulcet race calls of Trevor Denman from DelMar or Kurt Becker at historic Keeneland. Alive in multi-race wagers like Pick4's or Pick5's, in my book, I am in my Nirvana. You would think at an off-track betting I could enjoy the company of like-minded contrarians. But the slobbering Bear fan behind me won't shut up. Trust me, he didn't even have a bet down on them.
That's because football is king in this country Colt...that's just reality. The ratings, etc back all that up. The most popular sport in the US. That's why it truly amazes me so many here don't follow it. I just can't fathom doing anything on Sundays during the fall but spending my entire day/night watching football. I honestly truly cannot remember ever doing anything else on a Sunday for idk how many years now...at least 25 I'm sure of that. The only time that changes is once it becomes MU season and if their is a conflict on a Sunday, then it's MU first, but that's the ONLY exception.
Quote from: muguru on April 07, 2019, 12:52:09 AM
That's because football is king in this country Colt...that's just reality. The ratings, etc back all that up. The most popular sport in the US. That's why it truly amazes me so many here don't follow it. I just can't fathom doing anything on Sundays during the fall but spending my entire day/night watching football. I honestly truly cannot remember ever doing anything else on a Sunday for idk how many years now...at least 25 I'm sure of that. The only time that changes is once it becomes MU season and if their is a conflict on a Sunday, then it's MU first, but that's the ONLY exception.
It's all good. I guess I am lacking somehow by feeling zero affinity whatsoever for my hometown football team. I should understand it, as I am irrationally passionate about MU hoops. To each his own.
I don't care one way or the other, but I do feel that football will experience a decline once the slowing numbers of youth involvement catch up. I have my own problems with racing to worry about, given the recent spike in deaths of horses at Santa Anita. Horse Racing is such a beautiful sport, but it is often attacked by people who have no clue whatsoever. Yes there is a problem at Santa Anita, but it has nothing to do with whips and everything to do with both PEDs and a problematic racing surface.
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 11:10:46 PM
smh...what a world we live in now
Don't you mow your lawn or buy food?
Quote from: NorthernDancerColt on April 07, 2019, 01:01:47 AM
It's all good. I guess I am lacking somehow by feeling zero affinity whatsoever for my hometown football team. I should understand it, as I am irrationally passionate about MU hoops. To each his own.
I don't care one way or the other, but I do feel that football will experience a decline once the slowing numbers of youth involvement catch up. I have my own problems with racing to worry about, given the recent spike in deaths of horses at Santa Anita. Horse Racing is such a beautiful sport, but it is often attacked by people who have no clue whatsoever. Yes there is a problem at Santa Anita, but it has nothing to do with whips and everything to do with both PEDs and a problematic racing surface.
Youth baseball participation down as well. Sign o the times.
Quote from: Cheeks on April 07, 2019, 06:43:14 AM
Youth baseball participation down as well. Sign o the times.
This is mostly because of the rise of private clubs cutting down participation early. Where we have seen growth in participation are in sports that are growing like soccer, or sports that you can join freshman year in high school and find your place, like swimming and cross country.
Quote from: muguru on April 07, 2019, 12:52:09 AM
That's because football is king in this country Colt...that's just reality. The ratings, etc back all that up. The most popular sport in the US. That's why it truly amazes me so many here don't follow it. I just can't fathom doing anything on Sundays during the fall but spending my entire day/night watching football. I honestly truly cannot remember ever doing anything else on a Sunday for idk how many years now...at least 25 I'm sure of that. The only time that changes is once it becomes MU season and if their is a conflict on a Sunday, then it's MU first, but that's the ONLY exception.
You have your interests. Others have theirs. Why can't it just be that simple without it being a moral judgement?
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 10:59:33 PM
I truly am amazed at how many of you despise football...seriously I am. I can't say I have ever known any male that doesn't at least watch it casually from time to time....and some of the things you guys do instead of watch football?? I honestly can say, that really does tell me a lot about all of you, and now it all makes more sense to me.
I spend my sundays bow hunting, bareknuckle boxing, scotch and cigar tasting, smoking meat, and selecting a woman from my harem for the evening.
Quote from: TSmith34 on April 06, 2019, 06:22:52 PM
I'll let my daughter know she is causing the wussification of America. She might not care, after 4 hours in the pool everyday she's pretty tired.
Awhile back I went to a Mastera swim camp at Auburn. At the time, they were NCAA Champs in both men's a and women's swimming and had sent a bunch of swimmers to the most recent Olympics. Their strength and conditioning coach told me that the men's basketball team would make players do weight training with the swimmerrs as a form of punishment.
Quote from: warriorchick on April 07, 2019, 09:43:40 AM
Awhile back I went to a Mastera swim camp at Auburn. At the time, they were NCAA Champs in both men's a and women's swimming and had sent a bunch of swimmers to the most recent Olympics. Their strength and conditioning coach told me that the men's basketball team would make players to do weight training with the swimmers as a form of punishment.
You'll see these at cross country meets pretty regularly
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Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 10:59:33 PM
I truly am amazed at how many of you despise football...seriously I am. I can't say I have ever known any male that doesn't at least watch it casually from time to time....and some of the things you guys do instead of watch football?? I honestly can say, that really does tell me a lot about all of you, and now it all makes more sense to me.
There's nothing more manly than watching other men in tight pants play a game.
Quote from: Nukem2 on April 06, 2019, 03:34:32 PM
Watching guys run back and forth for 3+ hours for a 1-0 game is like watching grass grow. To each his own. May be fun to play, but hard on the eyes for many.
I like soccer because it is playing a sport and is in almost constant motion. And when it's not in motion, they add extra time to the game.
You like watching commercials, huddles, and hard hitting for 11 min out of 180min of sitting on the couch/barstool. And that's OK!
But to say football is the more masculine sport. I know and have seen more soccer players with gashes /bleeding on their heads than any football player.
(Having said that soccer players to flop a lot. Buuuut so do football players when they are tired and don't want the other tram to get a play off).
Edit: I'm not saying nuke said football was more masculine. That's just what I've heard other people in the world say. Sorry if that came off wrong.
Also side note, I would bet if they scored soccer like NFL people would be more excited. Game I watched yesterday ended 4-3. Great game.
That's 28-21!!!! High scoring!
Quote from: muguru on April 06, 2019, 10:59:33 PM
I truly am amazed at how many of you despise football...seriously I am. I can't say I have ever known any male that doesn't at least watch it casually from time to time....and some of the things you guys do instead of watch football?? I honestly can say, that really does tell me a lot about all of you, and now it all makes more sense to me.
I only watch it when friends are watching it. I've given up on spending 3 hrs watching commercials.
When my favorite soccer team is on, I'm done watching in 2 hrs tops. No commercials during game play.
And also shout out to Chick. I swam in high school and early college. Exhausting and amazing. I think it is easily one of the top 5 hardest sports.
Waterpolo, toughest damn thing out there in my opinion.
Quote from: Cheeks on April 07, 2019, 11:08:59 AM
Waterpolo, toughest damn thing out there in my opinion.
+1
Quote from: muguru on April 07, 2019, 12:52:09 AM
That's because football is king in this country Colt...that's just reality. The ratings, etc back all that up. The most popular sport in the US. That's why it truly amazes me so many here don't follow it. I just can't fathom doing anything on Sundays during the fall but spending my entire day/night watching football. I honestly truly cannot remember ever doing anything else on a Sunday for idk how many years now...at least 25 I'm sure of that. The only time that changes is once it becomes MU season and if their is a conflict on a Sunday, then it's MU first, but that's the ONLY exception.
I spend most of my Sundays (and most other free time) riding my bike, hiking and getting errands done. I am also taking a stab at some writing - mostly non-fiction stuff that I might loosely term a family memoir. And when I feel like doing something more passive, I'd rather read a book than sit in front of the TV. I can't imagine spending several hours in a row sitting in front of a TV week after week.
Basketball is the only sport that I can truly enjoy if I have no rooting interest. The Packers are probably my 2nd sports love behind MU, but I haven't watched a non Packers or non playoff NFL game in 2 years. Dreadfully boring.
Love watching Fulham and USMNT and champions league. Struggle to watch other soccer games. Same with the Brewers and baaeball.
I can pretty much sit and watch any college basketball or NBA game and enjoy it
Champions league is spectacular
I share Packer season tickets with my brother in law. I could count the number of Packer games I've missed over the last decade on two hands. That said, I only watch non-Packer games as a time filler once the weather gets crappy. Never full games.
I caught a Manchester United soccer game one Saturday morning about 10 years ago and was hooked (after making fun of my friends who played soccer in high school). I do HATE WITH A PASSION the fake life threatening injuries where the guy is in full sprint 2 minutes later. Best part of Premier League is that you can sometimes watch your team's entire game before everyone in your house even wakes up!
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 07, 2019, 09:35:36 AM
I spend my sundays bow hunting, bareknuckle boxing, scotch and cigar tasting, smoking meat, and selecting a woman from my harem for the evening.
But you are not plopped in front of a TV for 12 straight hours like guru? WUSS!
Quote from: Cheeks on April 07, 2019, 11:08:59 AM
Waterpolo, toughest damn thing out there in my opinion.
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Quote from: Cheeks on April 07, 2019, 11:08:59 AM
Waterpolo, toughest damn thing out there in my opinion.
An ex coworker was on the US team in Beijing. She said we don't see the worst part of the game, what goes on under the water, it's vicious.
Soccer is about endurance. Guys like Bastian Schweinstieger running 10 miles during the game, that's insane and impressive.
Quote from: Cheeks on April 07, 2019, 11:08:59 AM
Waterpolo, toughest damn thing out there in my opinion.
Especially on the horses.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 07, 2019, 03:12:41 PM
An ex coworker was on the US team in Beijing. She said we don't see the worst part of the game, what goes on under the water, it's vicious.
Soccer is about endurance. Guys like Bastian Schweinstieger running 10 miles during the game, that's insane and impressive.
My nephew won two NCAA titles at Stanford and could have been on the Olympic team if he really pushed....opted to get his MBA at Harvard instead and get on with his life. In all, he went to four Final Fours. His sister (my niece) also played at Stanford until a back injury shelved her the last two years of her career.
You are correct, the stuff that goes on under the water is brutal.
As I said, football was a cakewalk for me and I played WR and DB, two way player. So much downtime. You rarely run more than 30 or 40 yards, and then it's a break. Rinse and repeat.
Quote from: Cheeks on April 07, 2019, 04:58:12 PM
My nephew won two NCAA titles at Stanford and could have been on the Olympic team if he really pushed....opted to get his MBA at Harvard instead and get on with his life. In all, he went to four Final Fours. His sister (my niece) also played at Stanford until a back injury shelved her the last two years of her career.
You are correct, the stuff that goes on under the water is brutal.
As I said, football was a cakewalk for me and I played WR and DB, two way player. So much downtime. You rarely run more than 30 or 40 yards, and then it's a break. Rinse and repeat.
Chicos u do understand that no one belives a word that you type? U do know this right?
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on April 07, 2019, 05:26:44 PM
Chicos u do understand that no one belives a word that you type? U do know this right?
NO ONE?? A WORD?? or was teal implied? unforced foul, eyn'a?
Good call. You believe everything Chicos says.
guru:
The point of most of the last several pages of discussion wasn't whether one likes other sports more or less than football or one likes to do other things on the weekend besides watching football.
You didn't say: "Football is the best. Everything else is inferior."
What you said was: "It's the wussification of America in full effect. Also, kids these days don't want to work real hard..football you do."
In other words, every parent who doesn't want his/her son playing football -- a group that includes MANY former NFL and college players -- is a wussy who is out to wussify America.
And in other words, football players work harder than athletes in every other sport.
It was a dopey thing to say, and I think you realize it but your pride won't let you own up to it.
Disclosure: I hate soccer, and I love football. I would NEVER watch a soccer game on TV, and I do watch pro football pretty much every Sunday during the NFL season (and many Monday and Thursday nights, too). But I know enough about soccer, lacrosse, water polo, basketball, swimming, tennis, gymnastics, hockey, etc etc etc, to know that those who are serious about it work every bit as hard as those who are serious about football. And most of those sports are just as physically intense as football.
Quote from: MU82 on April 07, 2019, 07:14:14 PM
guru:
The point of most of the last several pages of discussion wasn't whether one likes other sports more or less than football or one likes to do other things on the weekend besides watching football.
You didn't say: "Football is the best. Everything else is inferior."
What you said was: "It's the wussification of America in full effect. Also, kids these days don't want to work real hard..football you do."
In other words, every parent who doesn't want his/her son playing football -- a group that includes MANY former NFL and college players -- is a wussy who is out to wussify America.
And in other words, football players work harder than athletes in every other sport.
It was a dopey thing to say, and I think you realize it but your pride won't let you own up to it.
Disclosure: I hate soccer, and I love football. I would NEVER watch a soccer game on TV, and I do watch pro football pretty much every Sunday during the NFL season (and many Monday and Thursday nights, too). But I know enough about soccer, lacrosse, water polo, basketball, swimming, tennis, gymnastics, hockey, etc etc etc, to know that those who are serious about it work every bit as hard as those who are serious about football. And most of those sports are just as physically intense as football.
Sidenote: when someone asked guru if he played football, he responded Yes. And added that he played additional sports including baseball. Another poster then made fun of baseball for it's lack of contact, etc. Guru then edited his post, deleting any reference that he played other sports.
What a snowflake.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 07, 2019, 08:50:13 PM
Sidenote: when someone asked guru if he played football, he responded Yes. And added that he played additional sports including baseball. Another poster then made fun of baseball for it's lack of contact, etc. Guru then edited his post, deleting any reference that he played other sports.
What a snowflake.
Because the topic was about football, i didn't see how me playing baseball or basketball was relevant to the topic, so I went back and edited it. I am far from a snowflake, but you sure do play internet tough guy a lot, calling names etc, behind a computer. I'm guessing you probably never played football...or any sport at all, that would be my guess. Or you tried out and weren't good enough so you quit or got cut.
What is your f*n problem with everything I post anyway?? All you ever do is attack my posts or attack me. If that makes you feel better about yourself, by all means, have at it.
Now go get on your Schwinn with the little basket, and the bell, and pedal out of here. Don't forget your helmet!
Quote from: muguru on April 07, 2019, 09:04:47 PM
Because the topic was about football, i didn't see how me playing baseball or basketball was relevant to the topic, so I went back and edited it. I am far from a snowflake, but you sure do play internet tough guy a lot, calling names etc, behind a computer. I'm guessing you probably never played football...or any sport at all, that would be my guess. Or you tried out and weren't good enough so you quit or got cut.
What is your f*n problem with everything I post anyway?? All you ever do is attack my posts or attack me. If that makes you feel better about yourself, by all means, have at it.
Now go get on your Schwinn with the little basket, and the bell, and pedal out of here. Don't forget your helmet!
Triggered much?
So, based on the popularity of this thread, I'm guessing Raleigh Talk Radio is something we've been neglecting for far too long...
Just looking back at what buzz has accomplished, going from, who/what the heck is a buzz to continuing to show the swear finger to anyone who doubts him. He's going to his 2nd "football" school and you watch-even if you don't like basketball, you are going to have to watch this guy in action. Like Rick Majerus, we were too dumb to know what we had. Or, the people in charge of calling the shots are in over their pay grade and no one has the gonads to tell them to stfu and stick to keeping the petting zoos stocked with a variety of warm and fuzzies, the crayolas sharp and the playdoh soft.
Wojo does not coach the way he played nor did he absorb as much as I thought he did, sitting next to coach sheshefski...next
If we can't get at least mc to come here, I think we should fire those in charge of evaluating and making any decisions remotely involved with our basketball program. Yes, those that probably are offended by anything not named after a color
Nickeil Alexander-Walker declared for the draft last night. So here's what Buzz leaves in his wake...
Graduated: Justin Robinson, Ahmed Hill, Ty Outlaw
Transferred: Chris Clarke, Wabissa Bede
Declared: Nickeil Alexander-Walker
Undecided: Kerry Blackshear
Their top recruit also backed out of his commitment. They return two players that saw relatively meaningful action, though zero that averaged 15 mpg or 5 ppg. For the moment, Mike Young comes into a team that has 1 freshman & 1 sophomore that played, then a handful of freshmen that didn't play & maybe 3 recruits (if they stick). Obviously Blackshear could still come back, but that team will likely be one of the worst high-major teams in the country next year. Buzz sure does know how to rip out the keystone on his way out the door.
I actually feel sorry for the VT fans. They were in the right place at the right time when they picked up Buzz. He was a way better and more accomplished coach that they typically hire -- an absolute home run for them. Unfortunately, they believed that was their new normal. They had such high, but unrealistic expectations, but this is about what I think most outsiders would have expected for them. I hope Young comes in and does a great job for them.
mc?
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on April 07, 2019, 05:26:44 PM
Chicos u do understand that no one belives a word that you type? U do know this right?
https://gostanford.com/story.aspx?filename=208085237&file_date=11/9/2002&path=mwpolo
My nephew. Happy to share any number of 500 photos of him with me, my wife and kids...Christmas, funerals, at Patriots game, Disneyland, etc.
My niece, also played there. She was injured and had to retire from the sport
https://gostanford.com/story.aspx?filename=208432836&file_date=4/17/2013
Thank you to Rocket for quoting you as I have you on ignore, but it is always nice destroying your nonsense. Now, if you would like high school photos of me playing football and soccer, that will take some time....though I'm fairly certain my mom has articles from the period as she used to scrapbook stuff. Maybe when I fly up to see her next week I'll ask.
Have a pleasant day.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on April 08, 2019, 07:31:52 AM
I actually feel sorry for the VT fans. They were in the right place at the right time when they picked up Buzz. He was a way better and more accomplished coach that they typically hire -- an absolute home run for them. Unfortunately, they believed that was their new normal. They had such high, but unrealistic expectations, but this is about what I think most outsiders would have expected for them. I hope Young comes in and does a great job for them.
FWIW, here's a guy who thinks Young was a "great hire" for VT:
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/article228952984.html?cid=DM12299&bid=138585000
I don't know enough about Young to agree or disagree. I do know that it will take very hard work, quite some time and considerable luck to succeed there.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on April 08, 2019, 09:09:29 AM
mick cronin
So we want to fire a guy because he hasn't won an NCAA Tournament game in his first 5 years as a head coach to hire a guy who has 6 NCAA Tournament wins and 1 Sweet 16 appearance in his 16 years as a head coach? And watch our team struggle to break 60 points once we get into January and beyond?
Reasonable.
Quote from: Cheeks on April 08, 2019, 09:18:24 AM
https://gostanford.com/story.aspx?filename=208085237&file_date=11/9/2002&path=mwpolo
My nephew. Happy to share any number of 500 photos of him with me, my wife and kids...Christmas, funerals, at Patriots game, Disneyland, etc.
My niece, also played there. She was injured and had to retire from the sport
https://gostanford.com/story.aspx?filename=208432836&file_date=4/17/2013
Thank you to Rocket for quoting you as I have you on ignore, but it is always nice destroying your nonsense. Now, if you would like high school photos of me playing football and soccer, that will take some time....though I'm fairly certain my mom has articles from the period as she used to scrapbook stuff. Maybe when I fly up to see her next week I'll ask.
Have a pleasant day.
People take photos at Funerals?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 08, 2019, 09:48:54 AM
So we want to fire a guy because he hasn't won an NCAA Tournament game in his first 5 years as a head coach to hire a guy who has 6 NCAA Tournament wins and 1 Sweet 16 appearance in his 16 years as a head coach? And watch our team struggle to break 60 points once we get into January and beyond?
Reasonable.
just saying...as the talk re: wojo, if he be gowne, who is out there to replace him? whether or not he is fired, is not up to me and we could all bloviate the sheet out of this. i like wojo and as i've said to many, i hoped he would succeed for all of the obvious. i thought he would be the type of guy that could make MU his duke. but the last 5-6 games of this past year took the steam out of me. when one invests as much emotionally in a team to see them go down in flames was too much. especially with the talent that we have
Quote from: rocket surgeon on April 08, 2019, 06:12:09 AM
Just looking back at what buzz has accomplished, going from, who/what the heck is a buzz to continuing to show the swear finger to anyone who doubts him. He's going to his 2nd "football" school and you watch-even if you don't like basketball, you are going to have to watch this guy in action. Like Rick Majerus, we were too dumb to know what we had. Or, the people in charge of calling the shots are in over their pay grade and no one has the gonads to tell them to stfu and stick to keeping the petting zoos stocked with a variety of warm and fuzzies, the crayolas sharp and the playdoh soft.
Wojo does not coach the way he played nor did he absorb as much as I thought he did, sitting next to coach sheshefski...next
If we can't get at least mc to come here, I think we should fire those in charge of evaluating and making any decisions remotely involved with our basketball program. Yes, those that probably are offended by anything not named after a color
from what I've been told, albeit second hand so it may not be 100% accurate, MU didn't run off Rick, it was Rick who couldn't deal with the immense pressure of coaching in his hometown at his alma mater. Longtime friends were turning on him because of MU's failure to make the NCAA tournament during his time. That's why he got out, for his own wellbeing.
Buzz, well, it was best for both parties that the relationship came to an end.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 08, 2019, 10:31:23 AM
People take photos at Funerals?
Sorry, after the funeral at the get together to reminisce about the departed.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on April 08, 2019, 12:57:46 PM
just saying...as the talk re: wojo, if he be gowne, who is out there to replace him? whether or not he is fired, is not up to me and we could all bloviate the sheet out of this. i like wojo and as i've said to many, i hoped he would succeed for all of the obvious. i thought he would be the type of guy that could make MU his duke. but the last 5-6 games of this past year took the steam out of me. when one invests as much emotionally in a team to see them go down in flames was too much. especially with the talent that we have
So, you have no idea if wojo can turn MU into his Duke (or Nova or Gonzaga, etc) but you'd want to get rid of him because of a 6 game stretch during 1 season.
Seems like a bit of an overreaction. But maybe I'm just more patient.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 08, 2019, 02:36:58 PM
So, you have no idea if wojo can turn MU into his Duke (or Nova or Gonzaga, etc) but you'd want to get rid of him because of a 6 game stretch during 1 season.
Seems like a bit of an overreaction. But maybe I'm just more patient.
yes, cuz of the talent he has and if he can't pull us out of a tailspin at the end of the season in his 4th year...just getting tired of the up down up down up...he was a defensive stalwart in college. nothing to give your guys? what more of a motivational speech do ya need to give your guys before big home game, senior day, packed house ready to explode after nova just handed you the BE title...against that Juggernaut georetown
Quote from: rocket surgeon on April 08, 2019, 07:50:52 PM
yes, cuz of the talent he has and if he can't pull us out of a tailspin at the end of the season in his 4th year...just getting tired of the up down up down up...he was a defensive stalwart in college. nothing to give your guys? what more of a motivational speech do ya need to give your guys before big home game, senior day, packed house ready to explode after nova just handed you the BE title...against that Juggernaut georetown
Fair enough.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 08, 2019, 10:31:23 AM
People take photos at Funerals?
People admit to going to Patriots games?
Quote from: Bocephys on April 09, 2019, 12:53:57 AM
People admit to going to Patriots games?
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Quote from: Cheeks on April 08, 2019, 02:02:42 PM
Sorry, after the funeral at the get together to reminisce about the departed.
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Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 07, 2019, 03:12:41 PM
An ex coworker was on the US team in Beijing. She said we don't see the worst part of the game, what goes on under the water, it's vicious.
Soccer is about endurance. Guys like Bastian Schweinstieger running 10 miles during the game, that's insane and impressive.
Very cool! It looks like 80% of that team went to UCLA or USC, did you two work together in SoCal?
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on April 09, 2019, 08:16:29 AM
Very cool! It looks like 80% of that team went to UCLA or USC, did you two work together in SoCal?
USC and Stanford have won the last nine women's championships, with UCLA winning 5 in a row before that. No school outside those three has even been runner-up since 2004.
Quote from: TSmith34 on April 09, 2019, 08:24:53 AM
USC and Stanford have won the last nine women's championships, with UCLA winning 5 in a row before that. No school outside those three has even been runner-up since 2004.
Definitely seems to be a California-dominated sport. Almost exclusively Californian in fact! Never knew that, very interesting.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 06, 2019, 03:51:56 PM
I would rather watch a 0-0 soccer match than just about any football game. It's painfully boring. I want to watch actual game action. Football has 11 minutes of that in a 3+ hour timespan. Soccer has 95+ minutes of action in 2 hours.
And it's worse for the players because with the offense/defense swap outs, those players are only spending about 5 minutes every 3 hours doing something (factoring a minute for special teams). How is that fun? In soccer, you're actually playing the game those 95+ minutes.
I'm amazed anyone is physically capable of sitting still for an entire football game when literally 93.9% of the time there is absolutely nothing going on.
You and I define "action" a little differently. I find soccer really boring even though they are constantly playing because so little of it is play that will lead to something tangible, and football just as bad, because if you flip to a football game you are probably 5 or 6 times more likely to land on a commercial than live play.
But I like baseball, which most people consider the most boring sport of them all. To each his own. I wouldn't presume to tell anybody what they should like. The older I get, though, the more my sports viewing habits have been reduced to MLB and NCAA hoops, which are the two sports I played through high school. I understand the NBA is higher quality than NCAA, and I can't tell you why I like college hoops better, but I just do.
Oh, and though it is not a sport since it is judged, rhythmic gymnastics is the most underrated view in all of sports. Its like a really good circus act.