Just wondering if anyone has heard is Buzz going for sure.
One thing you can be certain with Buzz is that the entire media landscape will know when he makes it official.
I don't know that I've ever seen this much speculation for a job opening that isn't open yet. There's a lot of VT tweets without it officially being open.
I assume it's just a matter of time until it's official. Buzz needs the 30 clauses he wrote himself fully agreed to.
VT fans have been speculating about Buzz since January
I'll shoot you an email when I find out.
superbar
Now Buzz has become a political lightning rod. Blue state Virginia has to stop red state Texas from stealing Buzz with "dirty" oil money.
Woke up!
Virginia Tech fan starts GoFundMe to keep 'Oil barons' from hiring Buzz Williams at Texas A&M
19:07 GMT - The Dallas News
https://tech.einnews.com/article__detail/480917491-virginia-tech-fan-starts-gofundme-to-keep-oil-barons-from-hiring-buzz-williams-at-texas-a-m?vcode=XIbw
By Alex Miller , Texas A&M blogger Contact Alex Miller on Twitter: @AlexMill20 There's been soft buzz about Texas A&M hiring Virginia Tech's Buzz Williams to be the Aggies' next head basketball coach over the weekend, which has given Hokie fans time to try and keep their head man. One Virginia Tech fan has started a GoFundMe titled "Keep Buzz in Blacksburg ...
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$350 of the $3.5 million raised in 7 days...
Quote from: avid1010 on April 01, 2019, 03:41:20 PM
$350 of the $3.5 million raised in 7 days...
At that rate it will only take 191 years and 237 days to get the money.
Quote from: CTWarrior on April 01, 2019, 03:47:34 PM
At that rate it will only take 191 years and 237 days to get the money.
to speak buzz speak...that's 1,679,958 hours
not to hijack this thread...but someone referenced dick strong stopped supporting MU when they hired buzz. is this true? anyone know the details? they seem like two in the same.
which has me wondering who are the big donors to MU now? has this effected how our HC travels (thought strong's plane was offered for use regularly)?
Quote from: avid1010 on April 01, 2019, 03:59:11 PM
not to hijack this thread...but someone referenced dick strong stopped supporting MU when they hired buzz. is this true? anyone know the details? they seem like two in the same.
which has me wondering who are the big donors to MU now? has this effected how our HC travels (thought strong's plane was offered for use regularly)?
No, Dick Strong was however incredibly pissed at the Wojo hire because the powers that be didn't inform him of it before it happened. Lovell blew that one(amongst other things in regards to the BB program).
If the past (March, 2014) is any indication, Buzz will show up on CBS set as a guest commentator at the Final Four this weekend wearing Texas A&M gear.
Quote from: muguru on April 01, 2019, 04:26:48 PM
No, Dick Strong was however incredibly pissed at the Wojo hire because the powers that be didn't inform him of it before it happened. Lovell blew that one(amongst other things in regards to the BB program).
... because Strong was not that important anymore. He blew up his firm (Strong Capital) because he personally broke the law and that took a serious hit to his net worth. He was forced to sell his firm to Wells Fargo and it cost hundreds of Strong employees their jobs in and around Milwaukee.
So, no Lovell did not blow it. He (correctly) distanced himself him Strong.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on April 01, 2019, 04:44:59 PM
... because Strong was not that important anymore. He blew up his firm (Strong Capital) because he personally broke the law and that took a serious hit to his net worth. He was forced to sell his firm to Wells Fargo and it cost hundreds of Strong employees their jobs in and around Milwaukee.
So, no Lovell did not blow it. He (correctly) distanced himself him Strong.
That happened in 2004.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 01, 2019, 05:31:35 PM
That happened in 2004.
And your agreement with paragon of virtue Elliot Spitzer that there was a serious crime committed by Strong is highly suspect (as is limiting Lovell's errors to the basketball program).
Towel
Inaccurate account of Strong on a couple of points. What you stated is not factual.
Quote from: Goose on April 01, 2019, 05:56:39 PM
Towel
Inaccurate account of Strong on a couple of points. What you stated is not factual.
Enlighten me.
When Spitzer implied that Strong had been unethical, Strong stepped down, repaid monies, found managers to replace himself and still no charges brought. Hard to prove innocence without being charged with wrongdoing. Asshat Spitzer(I wanna be president) destroyed Strong Funds..., not Dick Strong.
Dick Strong had to pay a $60 million penalty for insider trading thru Canary Capital, I had some of his funds back in the 90's and they were good, but he turned out to be dirty and fell off his perch
Quote from: connie on April 01, 2019, 05:38:22 PM
And your agreement with paragon of virtue Elliot Spitzer that there was a serious crime committed by Strong is highly suspect (as is limiting Lovell's errors to the basketball program).
Strong was an idiot.
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/21/business/fund-executive-accepts-life-ban-in-trading-case.html
Richard S. Strong, who helped fuel the extraordinary growth of mutual funds over the last three decades, agreed yesterday to pay $60 million and be banned from the financial industry for life to settle an investigation over rapid trades he made at the expense of investors in his funds.
Mr. Strong, the founder of Strong Capital Management, is the most prominent figure to be ensnared in a sweeping investigation of improper trading in mutual funds begun last September by Eliot Spitzer, the New York attorney general. Mr. Spitzer and other regulators have sued some of the largest money managers, forcing several to pay steep penalties and also reduce the fees charged to investors.
Strong Capital, based in Menomonee Falls, Wis., agreed to pay $80 million and cut management fees for its mutual funds by 6 percent over the next five years.
Forbes magazine has estimated Mr. Strong's personal wealth at $800 million. But it was a relatively small gain that resulted in his downfall.
He made $1.8 million in profit on hundreds of short-term trades in Strong Capital mutual funds, even as the company's public filings indicated that it discouraged such activity, Mr. Spitzer's office said yesterday.
The company also permitted a hedge fund, Canary Capital Partners, to trade rapidly in and out of Strong's funds, regulators said. The trades by Canary and its manager, Edward Stern, were first disclosed by Mr. Spitzer in a $40 million settlement with the fund and Mr. Stern last September.
Mr. Spitzer had weighed bringing criminal charges against Mr. Strong for the trading, and had convened a grand jury to consider the case. Mr. Strong, who avoided criminal charges, agreed to pay $60 million in penalties and disgorgement of profits.
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and his stupidity whacked two-thirds of his net worth
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2004-05-27-0405270275-story.html
Wells Fargo & Co. said Wednesday that it is buying the assets of Strong Financial Corp., the Wisconsin financial-services firm that was deeply involved in the nation's mutual fund trading scandal.
The price was not disclosed, but i
ndustry analysts estimated it was about $500 million, a fraction of what it would have cost before Strong's wrongdoing was made public.
"It's very cheap," said Richard Bove, managing director with brokerage firm Hoefer & Arnett.
"Four months ago, we were talking $1.5 billion for the property. Then it came down to $1 billion."
The Strong name, prominent in the industry for 30 years, may not survive.
Towel
Dick Strong is a lot of things, a crock or dishonest are not amongst them. He is good man, highly driven, high IQ and he treated his employees extremely well from day one he started his business. That said, he is quirky and I will leave at that. His departure from MU's landscape was a loss for the program and the university. I will not debate Strong with you, aside from I wish he was still helping the program.
You can believe me or not, that is your call. But, I can add that I likely know more about the story than your finding newspaper links. I have not always been his biggest fan, but I do believe in being fair in how he is remembered.
Again, feel free to say whatever you want. Our debate over Rick showed your colors and that is fine by me.
I had an IRA with Strong funds. When Strong got in trouble it got transferred to Wells Fargo. That is ironic considering how honest Wells Fargo has been.
How much did Strong donate to MU annually?
Quote from: Goose on April 01, 2019, 06:41:40 PM
Towel
Dick Strong is a lot of things, a crock or dishonest are not amongst them. He is good man, highly driven, high IQ and he treated his employees extremely well from day one he started his business. That said, he is quirky and I will leave at that. His departure from MU's landscape was a loss for the program and the university. I will not debate Strong with you, aside from I wish he was still helping the program.
You can believe me or not, that is your call. But, I can add that I likely know more about the story than your finding newspaper links. I have not always been his biggest fan, but I do believe in being fair in how he is remembered.
Again, feel free to say whatever you want. Our debate over Rick showed your colors and that is fine by me.
Considering the way you defend questionable characters, if Dahmer invited you over for home-made sausage links, I have no doubt you would defend him too.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 01, 2019, 03:41:20 PM
$350 of the $3.5 million raised in 7 days...
They actually have put out donation jars at the local Sunoco's.
Towel
You truly lack respect for others. Not exactly sure why you feel the need to attack on every topic.
Dick Strong helped MU get where it is right now. He loved Crean and Buzz. He was less visible and quit going to games when his wife had some health problems but also after the Wojo hiring. He still has 8 floor seats but let's others use them. He was pissed in the way Wojo was hired as he wanted MU to hire Ben Howland. Lovell hired Wojo when Strong was in Europe on business. Prior to that, he tried to get Tony Bennett and actually filed to Pullman trying to convince him to go to MU. Since LSU was open and Bennett's wife was from that area, he wanted to see if he could get LSU. Shaka was offered and he told Rivers he accepted. So Strong heads to Europe, Shaka backs out and Lovell interviews Wojo. Wojo supposedly gave Lovell 24 hours. Lovell moved ahead without speaking to Strong. Strong was rightly pissed. I hear Bennett called MU as soon as LSU told him no but it was too late. I don't think anyone knows Strong's giving level, if any. He always donated anonymously. His legal issues cost him some money but he is still a billionaire. All Eliot Spitzer did was take some charitable contributions away from him since it would never affect his life style or several generations thereafter. One of Dick Strong' s best days in his life had to be the day the Spitzer prostitution thing broke. I hope he is still supporting MU behind the scenes—he might be doing that but we will never know.
Gato
100% spot on account of events. There is not one word that I could dispute.
One addition/confirmation Tony Bennett did contact MU about the job and it was too late. Dick Strong swung for the fences and I respected that big time.
Tech fans have a go fund me going. Goal is $3.5 million, but they have a long way to go.
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-sports/collegesports/2019/04/01/virginia-tech-fan-starts-gofundme-keep-oil-barons-hiring-buzz-williams-texas-am
Quote from: Gato78 on April 01, 2019, 07:40:30 PM
Dick Strong helped MU get where it is right now. He loved Crean and Buzz. He was less visible and quit going to games when his wife had some health problems but also after the Wojo hiring. He still has 8 floor seats but let's others use them. He was pissed in the way Wojo was hired as he wanted MU to hire Ben Howland. Lovell hired Wojo when Strong was in Europe on business. Prior to that, he tried to get Tony Bennett and actually filed to Pullman trying to convince him to go to MU. Since LSU was open and Bennett's wife was from that area, he wanted to see if he could get LSU. Shaka was offered and he told Rivers he accepted. So Strong heads to Europe, Shaka backs out and Lovell interviews Wojo. Wojo supposedly gave Lovell 24 hours. Lovell moved ahead without speaking to Strong. Strong was rightly pissed. I hear Bennett called MU as soon as LSU told him no but it was too late. I don't think anyone knows Strong's giving level, if any. He always donated anonymously. His legal issues cost him some money but he is still a billionaire. All Eliot Spitzer did was take some charitable contributions away from him since it would never affect his life style or several generations thereafter. One of Dick Strong' s best days in his life had to be the day the Spitzer prostitution thing broke. I hope he is still supporting MU behind the scenes—he might be doing that but we will never know.
I think you have some things confused here.
Bennett landed the Virginia job in 2009, so why would Dick Strong have flown out to Pullman to talk to him about the MU job before Wojo was hired in 2014?
Also, the LSU job wasn't open in 2014 (they'd just hired Johnny Jones the year prior) , so I'm not sure why Bennett was thinking it might be offered to him.
Maybe you're thinking about 2008, before Buzz was hired? But if that's true, why would Strong be working so hard to get Bennett - and perhaps be angry that MU didn't hire him - when he "loved" Buzz? Maybe he learned to love Buzz.
And, no, Strong was not "rightly" pissed. His support of the program surely is appreciated, but it doesn't mean he's entitled to overrule the president on hiring decisions.
I'll just add to the Strong tale that he pushed hard for MU to hire local with Lovell (and I believe ponied up some $$). When Lovell and Ferraro didn't inform DS on Wojo, I think that was it for MU basketball. I know the annual AD checks stopped for the coach salary and I think that Heartland isn't even involved with MU any more.
Gato, I think you got the Pullman story slightly wrong as TB was already at UVA. That run was when MU hired Buzz and MU wasn't at the Final Four with all the other coaches as they ran the search out of MKE. TB called and said he'd now consider it but they had rushed and signed Buzz 20 minutes before. I could be wrong so I will trust your take.
Quote from: Gato78 on April 01, 2019, 07:40:30 PM
Dick Strong helped MU get where it is right now. He loved Crean and Buzz. He was less visible and quit going to games when his wife had some health problems but also after the Wojo hiring. He still has 8 floor seats but let's others use them. He was pissed in the way Wojo was hired as he wanted MU to hire Ben Howland. Lovell hired Wojo when Strong was in Europe on business. Prior to that, he tried to get Tony Bennett and actually filed to Pullman trying to convince him to go to MU. Since LSU was open and Bennett's wife was from that area, he wanted to see if he could get LSU. Shaka was offered and he told Rivers he accepted. So Strong heads to Europe, Shaka backs out and Lovell interviews Wojo. Wojo supposedly gave Lovell 24 hours. Lovell moved ahead without speaking to Strong. Strong was rightly pissed. I hear Bennett called MU as soon as LSU told him no but it was too late. I don't think anyone knows Strong's giving level, if any. He always donated anonymously. His legal issues cost him some money but he is still a billionaire. All Eliot Spitzer did was take some charitable contributions away from him since it would never affect his life style or several generations thereafter. One of Dick Strong' s best days in his life had to be the day the Spitzer prostitution thing broke. I hope he is still supporting MU behind the scenes—he might be doing that but we will never know.
I don't question what you say, but Strong offers nothing but his money. He is a crook who was rightfully taken down.
Marquette does not need to be associated with his type. Personal values are much more important than money.
Quote from: Gato78 on April 01, 2019, 07:40:30 PM
Dick Strong helped MU get where it is right now. He loved Crean and Buzz. He was less visible and quit going to games when his wife had some health problems but also after the Wojo hiring. He still has 8 floor seats but let's others use them. He was pissed in the way Wojo was hired as he wanted MU to hire Ben Howland. Lovell hired Wojo when Strong was in Europe on business. Prior to that, he tried to get Tony Bennett and actually filed to Pullman trying to convince him to go to MU. Since LSU was open and Bennett's wife was from that area, he wanted to see if he could get LSU. Shaka was offered and he told Rivers he accepted. So Strong heads to Europe, Shaka backs out and Lovell interviews Wojo. Wojo supposedly gave Lovell 24 hours. Lovell moved ahead without speaking to Strong. Strong was rightly pissed. I hear Bennett called MU as soon as LSU told him no but it was too late. I don't think anyone knows Strong's giving level, if any. He always donated anonymously. His legal issues cost him some money but he is still a billionaire. All Eliot Spitzer did was take some charitable contributions away from him since it would never affect his life style or several generations thereafter. One of Dick Strong' s best days in his life had to be the day the Spitzer prostitution thing broke. I hope he is still supporting MU behind the scenes—he might be doing that but we will never know.
This is what I don't get. Why should any donor expect to be informed of any decision that isn't directly involved with a restricted donation? And why would you agree that he has the right to be pissed about it?
Jockey
Do you know Dick Strong? Do you know his history? If what you believe is true, MU has happily taking dirty money. Are you saying MU had no problem taking dirty money? Come on, you are smarter than that.
Chick
No different than being a donor of building. Do you think they have say in the building they are paying for? In addition, who do you think was paying Buzz and Crean?
Quote from: warriorchick on April 01, 2019, 08:05:34 PM
This is what I don't get. Why should any donor expect to be informed of any decision that isn't directly involved with a restricted donation? And why would you agree that he has the right to be pissed about it?
I believe it was restricted. I also believe that's how Buzz's Bunch got funded (although not certain).
Quote from: Gato78 on April 01, 2019, 07:40:30 PM
Dick Strong helped MU get where it is right now. He loved Crean and Buzz. He was less visible and quit going to games when his wife had some health problems but also after the Wojo hiring. He still has 8 floor seats but let's others use them. He was pissed in the way Wojo was hired as he wanted MU to hire Ben Howland. Lovell hired Wojo when Strong was in Europe on business. Prior to that, he tried to get Tony Bennett and actually filed to Pullman trying to convince him to go to MU. Since LSU was open and Bennett's wife was from that area, he wanted to see if he could get LSU. Shaka was offered and he told Rivers he accepted. So Strong heads to Europe, Shaka backs out and Lovell interviews Wojo. Wojo supposedly gave Lovell 24 hours. Lovell moved ahead without speaking to Strong. Strong was rightly pissed. I hear Bennett called MU as soon as LSU told him no but it was too late. I don't think anyone knows Strong's giving level, if any. He always donated anonymously. His legal issues cost him some money but he is still a billionaire. All Eliot Spitzer did was take some charitable contributions away from him since it would never affect his life style or several generations thereafter. One of Dick Strong' s best days in his life had to be the day the Spitzer prostitution thing broke. I hope he is still supporting MU behind the scenes—he might be doing that but we will never know.
Wow, you mean we might've had Tony Bennett instead of Wojo? Ugh. And who the heck was Wojo to give Lovell 24 hours, and why did Lovell fold? Because there were so many other top schools courting Wojo? This whole story makes Lovell look like a bumbling novice.
Quote from: Research Report on April 01, 2019, 08:13:19 PM
Wow, you mean we might've had Tony Bennett instead of Wojo? Ugh. And who the heck was Wojo to give Lovell 24 hours, and why did Lovell fold? Because there were so many other top schools courting Wojo? This whole story makes Lovell look like a bumbling novice.
No. His timeline is wrong. TB was post-Crean.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 01, 2019, 07:58:51 PM
Gato, I think you got the Pullman story slightly wrong as TB was already at UVA. That run was when MU hired Buzz and MU wasn't at the Final Four with all the other coaches as they ran the search out of MKE. TB called and said he'd now consider it but they had rushed and signed Buzz 20 minutes before. I could be wrong so I will trust your take.
TB has been at UVA since 3/31/09 so he wouldn't have been involved "from Pullman" when Wojo was hired.
Quote from: Research Report on April 01, 2019, 08:13:19 PM
Wow, you mean we might've had Tony Bennett instead of Wojo? Ugh. And who the heck was Wojo to give Lovell 24 hours, and why did Lovell fold? Because there were so many other top schools courting Wojo? This whole story makes Lovell look like a bumbling novice.
Not unless TB was going to leave Virginia...
I have no doubt that there were those that thought TB would come to Marquette in 2014. I also have no doubt that those individuals were incorrect.
Quote from: Jockey on April 01, 2019, 08:02:49 PM
I don't question what you say, but Strong offers nothing but his money. He is a crook who was rightfully taken down.
Marquette does not need to be associated with his type. Personal values are much more important than money.
100% agree
Let me say this S L O W L Y
Strong was FINED $60 million and banned for life because he was a crook that stole money from his customers via unfair trades.
He was never a billionaire. He maxed out about $800 million and lost about 2/3 of that thanks to his criminal behavior.
But yes In the 90s and 00s he was helpful to MU. His ship sailed when he became a two-bit thief.
Goose your defense of questionable people is worrisome.
I stand corrected, it was the Buzz search that TB contacted MU. That said, they did reach out to him during the Wojo hire process.
Quote from: Goose on April 01, 2019, 08:06:02 PM
Jockey
Do you know Dick Strong? Do you know his history? If what you believe is true, MU has happily taking dirty money. Are you saying MU had no problem taking dirty money? Come on, you are smarter than that.
His money was dirty wasnt it? Buying and selling his own funds to drive up profits?
Towel
Then why was MU accepting dirty money? If you know it was dirty, MU sure should know. For the record, Dick was a billionaire and is a billionaire. You should do some homework on his current endeavors.
Quote from: Goose on April 01, 2019, 08:07:56 PM
Chick
No different than being a donor of building. Do you think they have say in the building they are paying for? In addition, who do you think was paying Buzz and Crean?
I don't know who was paying Buzz and Crean. I have never seen anything about other than what's been posted here on Scoop, so I don't treat it any differently than any other unsubstantiated comment.
Avid
Then MU should be ashamed of themselves for taking millions and millions from Mr. Striong. I hope you are smarter than to believe that.
Chick
I misunderstood, I thought you sent out a question to the board and I replied. Agreed, take it for what you believe it is worth.
Quote from: Goose on April 01, 2019, 08:24:54 PM
Avid
Then MU should be ashamed of themselves for taking millions and millions from Mr. Striong. I hope you are smarter than to believe that.
I know little about it...but do know my brother had $ in a college savings fund that was involved. I never read into it. I thought it was well known...brother used to joke about helping Strong donate to MU.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2019, 07:55:05 PM
I think you have some things confused here.
Bennett landed the Virginia job in 2009, so why would Dick Strong have flown out to Pullman to talk to him about the MU job before Wojo was hired in 2014?
Also, the LSU job wasn't open in 2014 (they'd just hired Johnny Jones the year prior) , so I'm not sure why Bennett was thinking it might be offered to him.
Maybe you're thinking about 2008, before Buzz was hired? But if that's true, why would Strong be working so hard to get Bennett - and perhaps be angry that MU didn't hire him - when he "loved" Buzz? Maybe he learned to love Buzz.
And, no, Strong was not "rightly" pissed. His support of the program surely is appreciated, but it doesn't mean he's entitled to overrule the president on hiring decisions.
Gato's order of events jumps back and forth between the two hires. Strong pitched Bennett in 2009 before we hired Buzz. Bennett wanted to go for the LSU job because his wife is from Louisiana. So Bennett pursued the LSU job while Marquette moved on to other candidates (Buzz) believing they would not be able to get Bennett. LSU decided to go with Johnny Jones instead. When Bennett learned he didn't get LSU in 2009, he called Marquette to ask if the head coaching job was still available. That phone call was made about a half hour after Buzz Williams put pen to contract.
The next hiring involvement was when Strong was involved in pitching Shaka in Richmond. They came to a tentative agreement that was later scuppered when Mrs. Smart decided she didn't want to go to Milwaukee. Strong's second choice was Howland but he was overseas when Marquette interviewed Cuonzo Martin & Steve Wojciechowski. From what I heard, the initial expectation was to hire Martin, but he didn't interview well at all. Meanwhile, Wojo knocked the interview out of the park and had a clear cohesive plan to restore Marquette basketball to its glory (the oft-mentioned powerpoint). The comment I heard was that Martin was running from something & Wojo was running to something. That may have been repeated here in recent days, but Martin didn't come off well at all. Lovell & company decided to go with Wojo and didn't consult Strong, which upset him.
Two totally different stories mixed together in Gato's post. I agree with what he said and it comports with what I've heard in the past.
Quote from: Goose on April 01, 2019, 08:23:03 PM
Towel
Then why was MU accepting dirty money? If you know it was dirty, MU sure should know. For the record, Dick was a billionaire and is a billionaire. You should do some homework on his current endeavors.
I do want to add, if you question my integrity one more Fxxkin time on here, it will be the last. For the last time, show some respect for others.
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/12aW6JtfvUdcdO/giphy.gif)
What stands out to me is Wojo's ballsy 24-hour ultimatum. Ugh on Lovell, if true.
Avid
If you do not know the facts, why would you call a man's money dirty. I have far too much respect for MU to believe they knowingly took money that was dirty.
Quote from: Goose on April 01, 2019, 08:35:07 PM
Avid
If you do not know the facts, why would you call a man's money dirty. I have far too much respect for MU to believe they knowingly took money that was dirty.
1. I didnt call it dirty...asked two questions asking if it was dirty.
2. Just did a quick read...sure seems like he did and admitted to doing sh1t he shouldnt have. Im sure there are plenty of sides to the story.
3. Dont have any clue where MU's standards are on donors. Born and raised catholic...lets just say nothing surprises me anymore and MU surely isnt exempt from that.
4. My brother does know this stuff pretty well...investment banker...wasnt thrilled with Strong funds when he was notified of the issue.
5. Really dont care about strong himself...was just curious as to if anyone knew how his lack of support effected the bball program.
6. Go brewers
7. Go bucks
jesmu
Not sure why you find that to be amusing. I do not think there is a need to continually make personal jobs on here. I try not to cross lines and expect the same from others. When I have crossed lines I have always tried to reach out to the person(s) I have crossed line with.
Quote from: Goose on April 01, 2019, 08:49:39 PM
jesmu
Not sure why you find that to be amusing. I do not think there is a need to continually make personal jobs on here. I try not to cross lines and expect the same from others. When I have crossed lines I have always tried to reach out to the person(s) I have crossed line with.
I just enjoy bickering between people. Not laughing at you.
And it's even better when it's heisy. Just look at his post history.
And also, you're threatening someone on a message board. Where's that going to go?
jesmu
I am a born smart ass and have very thick skin, but he crosses lines that should not be crossed. I get kick out of bickering as well, but I guess the Dahmer post followed by others questioning integrity is going too far.
Fair point on the veiled threat. What am I going to do, place him on ignore?
Should we rename this thread the "Dick Strong Pissing Match"?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 01, 2019, 07:58:51 PM
I'll just add to the Strong tale that he pushed hard for MU to hire local with Lovell (and I believe ponied up some $$). When Lovell and Ferraro didn't inform DS on Wojo, I think that was it for MU basketball. I know the annual AD checks stopped for the coach salary and I think that Heartland isn't even involved with MU any more.
Gato, I think you got the Pullman story slightly wrong as TB was already at UVA. That run was when MU hired Buzz and MU wasn't at the Final Four with all the other coaches as they ran the search out of MKE. TB called and said he'd now consider it but they had rushed and signed Buzz 20 minutes before. I could be wrong so I will trust your take.
You are correct. Got the Buzz and Wojo hiring mixed up on the Pullman trip. Rest is accurate. Was pissed while typing.
Let's add that Spitzer demanded $$ from Strong so he wouldn't be charged playing a game of chicken. Strong paid the asking price and it did not affect his lifestyle in the least. Who wouldn't? Unethical by Spitzer in my mind. Either charge or do not. Threatened charges that can be bought for $$. Where is that ethical?
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 01, 2019, 08:30:35 PM
Gato's order of events jumps back and forth between the two hires. Strong pitched Bennett in 2009 before we hired Buzz. Bennett wanted to go for the LSU job because his wife is from Louisiana. So Bennett pursued the LSU job while Marquette moved on to other candidates (Buzz) believing they would not be able to get Bennett. LSU decided to go with Johnny Jones instead. When Bennett learned he didn't get LSU in 2009, he called Marquette to ask if the head coaching job was still available. That phone call was made about a half hour after Buzz Williams put pen to contract.
Marquette probably could have waited a little longer in 2009. Coach Williams was only an assistant.
Quote from: WarriorDad on April 01, 2019, 09:18:29 PM
Marquette probably could have waited a little longer in 2009. Coach Williams was only an assistant.
Someone else banged that drum repeatedly.....
Quote from: connie on April 01, 2019, 05:38:22 PM
And your agreement with paragon of virtue Elliot Spitzer that there was a serious crime committed by Strong is highly suspect (as is limiting Lovell's errors to the basketball program).
Marylou Whitney (yes, descendant of Eli Whitney) is a prominent owner and breeder of thoroughbreds in NY. Her efforts to improve the NY breeding program were often rebuffed by a recalcitrant Governor Eliot Spitzer, so after the details started emerging about Eliot's dalliances, she got back at him in a manner any good horse owner would...equine nomenclature...Whitney promptly named one of her homebred foals "LuvGuv"....wasn't much of a runner.
Quote from: Gato78 on April 01, 2019, 09:13:01 PM
Let's add that Spitzer demanded $$ from Strong so he wouldn't be charged playing a game of chicken. Strong paid the asking price and it did not affect his lifestyle in the least. Who wouldn't? Unethical by Spitzer in my mind. Either charge or do not. Threatened charges that can be bought for $$. Where is that ethical?
He lost his freaking company!
And while we're at it, stop this silliness that he is a billionaire. Unless he was a bigger thief than we all knew and stole a lot more than advertised.
And why didn't MU cut ties with him after this came he was stealing money from customers vis bogus trades? sh!t walks and money talks.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 01, 2019, 08:43:28 PM
1. I didnt call it dirty...asked two questions asking if it was dirty.
2. Just did a quick read...sure seems like he did and admitted to doing sh1t he shouldnt have. Im sure there are plenty of sides to the story.
3. Dont have any clue where MU's standards are on donors. Born and raised catholic...lets just say nothing surprises me anymore and MU surely isnt exempt from that.
4. My brother does know this stuff pretty well...investment banker...wasnt thrilled with Strong funds when he was notified of the issue.
5. Really dont care about strong himself...was just curious as to if anyone knew how his lack of support effected the bball program.
6. Go brewers
7. Go bucks
Technical (maybe) violations of very intensive rules that Spitzer read like they had not been interpreted before because he was looking for a scalp. The NYT summary is about a 2nd grade understanding and the story is horribly biased and uninformed. Beware of self righteous prosecutors selling their souls for higher office while literally buying the bodies of others to get their jollies.
Multiple accounts on Twitter reporting Buzz is indeed gone to TAMU. Announced to the team tonight.
https://twitter.com/henryskutt/status/1112886705235939328?s=21
https://twitter.com/mbprivals/status/1112906346293334016?s=21
https://twitter.com/heregojayagain/status/1112875812179623936?s=21
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 01, 2019, 08:30:35 PM
Gato's order of events jumps back and forth between the two hires.
Oh, I know. I just enjoy how we can't keep our Marquette basketballl urban legends straight anymore.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 01, 2019, 09:01:34 PM
Should we rename this thread the "Dick Strong Pissing Match"?
Others were too busy pissing in each other's cornflakes to notice this, Doc, but I chuckled!
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 01, 2019, 09:44:16 PM
Multiple accounts on Twitter reporting Buzz is indeed gone to TAMU. Announced to the team tonight.
https://twitter.com/henryskutt/status/1112886705235939328?s=21
https://twitter.com/mbprivals/status/1112906346293334016?s=21
https://twitter.com/heregojayagain/status/1112875812179623936?s=21
Oh sure, brewski, way to ruin the thread by putting it back on topic. I want to hear more about Dick Strong, a hard subject to ignore!
Quote from: Goose on April 01, 2019, 08:06:02 PM
Jockey
Do you know Dick Strong? Do you know his history? If what you believe is true, MU has happily taking dirty money. Are you saying MU had no problem taking dirty money? Come on, you are smarter than that.
You missed my point, Goose. I do not say that all of his money was dirty. I am also not saying he gave dirty money to MU.
I was saying that he has done bad things, he has paid for them with both money and reputation, and it is time to move on. He paid for his crimes (which is all anyone should ask) but I still feel the association taints MU a bit.
Don't let Heisy bother you - everyone knows what he is. I don't know you and disagree with you a lot, but I would guess you have more integrity in your little finger than he has in his entire being.
Quote from: connie on April 01, 2019, 09:40:05 PM
Technical (maybe) violations of very intensive rules that Spitzer read like they had not been interpreted before because he was looking for a scalp. The NYT summary is about a 2nd grade understanding and the story is horribly biased and uninformed. Beware of self righteous prosecutors selling their souls for higher office while literally buying the bodies of others to get their jollies.
You don't pay a $60 million fine, accept a lifetime ban and sell your company for 1/3 its value because of a dubious interpretation of a rule by an overzealous prosecutor. You spend a small part of that $60 million fighting it.
I have to assume you worked at Strong (or have a partner, family member) and is not electing to blame Strong for his terrible choices but looking for someone else to blame.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on April 01, 2019, 09:49:35 PM
You don't pay a $60 million fine, accept a lifetime ban and sell your company for 1/3 its value because of a dubious interpretation of a rule by an overzealous prosecutor. You spend a small part of that $60 million fighting it.
I have to assume you worked at Strong (or have a partner, family member) and is not electing to blame Strong for his terrible choices but looking for someone else to blame.
Wrong, on all counts. It was arguably a technical violation, which was the basis of the prosecutorial hook. I think it was bs, but admit there was a chance of a violation if it reached an envious jury, and a NY judge would likely be less inclined to dismiss against some guy from Wisconsin. Fighting it would probably have destroyed the entire fund and as a result cost far more than 60m, so he salvaged what he could when Spitzer turned a level 1 into a 10. There are a lot of other factors at play in these prosecutions that you have to consider, but your analysis to this point shows you won't. Anyway, looks like Buzz is gone from VT.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 01, 2019, 09:44:16 PM
Multiple accounts on Twitter reporting Buzz is indeed gone to TAMU. Announced to the team tonight.
https://twitter.com/henryskutt/status/1112886705235939328?s=21
https://twitter.com/mbprivals/status/1112906346293334016?s=21
https://twitter.com/heregojayagain/status/1112875812179623936?s=21
I'm just glad we aren't the only schmucks that got left standing at the alter on April 1.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 01, 2019, 09:44:16 PM
Multiple accounts on Twitter reporting Buzz is indeed gone to TAMU. Announced to the team tonight.
https://twitter.com/henryskutt/status/1112886705235939328?s=21
https://twitter.com/mbprivals/status/1112906346293334016?s=21
https://twitter.com/heregojayagain/status/1112875812179623936?s=21
Honestly, Brew, keep up with twitter...
https://mobile.twitter.com/RTD_MikeBarber/status/1112891571886800898 (https://mobile.twitter.com/RTD_MikeBarber/status/1112891571886800898)
Quote from: Goose on April 01, 2019, 08:49:39 PM
jesmu
Not sure why you find that to be amusing. I do not think there is a need to continually make personal jobs on here. I try not to cross lines and expect the same from others. When I have crossed lines I have always tried to reach out to the person(s) I have crossed line with.
With all due respect this is untrue. You've jabbed plenty of times at me once even unprovoked when I was jabbing Chicos. While his jab at you was way too far please do not pretend you are above the fray of personal jabs on this site.
Galway
Did you read my whole post? Of course I throw jabs, but try not to cross certain lines. If I crossed the with you, it was unintentional and apologies. Just curious, what do you think is untrue on the post you noted? There is a need for personal attacks on here?
Quote from: Goose on April 02, 2019, 04:47:02 AM
Galway
Did you read my whole post? Of course I throw jabs, but try not to cross certain lines. If I crossed the with you, it was unintentional and apologies. Just curious, what do you think is untrue on the post you noted? There is a need for personal attacks on here?
I felt it was hypocritical to say there's no need for personal jabs when you have thrown them yourself, perhaps untrue was the wrong wording as you could be going off a do as I say not as I do. Yes you do insult less often than others. However I felt it warranted being called out that either you don't live up to your feelings about personal jabs, or were portraying yourself above the fray.
Galway
There are degrees of personal jabs and personal attacks, and maybe I should have used the word attack. Towel has attacked Rick Majerus, a very good family friend, and Dick Strong, a very good friend of my sisters, and takes it too far.
Hey, I used the wrong word and that is on me. I jab and will continue to jab. Try not to throw personal attacks towards people I do not know.
Quote from: connie on April 01, 2019, 10:34:39 PM
Wrong, on all counts. It was arguably a technical violation, which was the basis of the prosecutorial hook. I think it was bs, but admit there was a chance of a violation if it reached an envious jury, and a NY judge would likely be less inclined to dismiss against some guy from Wisconsin. Fighting it would probably have destroyed the entire fund and as a result cost far more than 60m, so he salvaged what he could when Spitzer turned a level 1 into a 10. There are a lot of other factors at play in these prosecutions that you have to consider, but your analysis to this point shows you won't. Anyway, looks like Buzz is gone from VT.
Is there is no end to the rationalizations of criminal activity for you?
Hint, the funds were destroyed as was his reputation and career (remember that lifetime ban?)
Quote from: Goose on April 02, 2019, 05:02:15 AM
Galway
There are degrees of personal jabs and personal attacks, and maybe I should have used the word attack. Towel has attacked Rick Majerus, a very good family friend, and Dick Strong, a very good friend of my sisters, and takes it too far.
Hey, I used the wrong word and that is on me. I jab and will continue to jab. Try not to throw personal attacks towards people I do not know.
Thank you for admitting that they are friends of yours and your opinion is colored. Facts are they both did bad things and one is an outright criminal.
I'll keep this in mind when you riff in other threads about cheating coaches. I guess I'll introduce them to one of your family members and then ... boom ... they become good guys and it's all technical violations and the prosecutor's fault, not that guy any of them broke any rules.
Hey look, the thread that got deleted is slowly reappearing before our very eyes
MUeng
I am done with the thread.
Strong may not have been perfect, but he got taken advantage of a politically motivated attorney general who was basically holding him up for money. All done through the media from NYC. Strong, if he wanted to challenge, would have seen Strong Funds in the media for years and the outflows would have killed Strong Funds by the time the case was done through the courts. He had no choice to but settle it and sell. At least he came out with 500M or so. Strong was put in a really bad position by a prosecutor that had motives beyond any criminal type of issues. He was not perfect.
MU needs a guy like Strong, and I'm not sure that we have anyone at his level who has stepped up financially. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I've not heard of anyone. If the going rate for Wojo is 3.5 Million a year, we need someone like Strong to keep pace and pay the coach's salary or at least most of it. Otherwise, MU will continue to lose successful or semi-successful coach's and we will be a stepping stone job (if we are not already; I had hopes that Wojo would be a guy that would stick around). If Wojo in fact is offered 3.5 a year for 5 years, we better be ready to pay him or the next guy at least that much if not more.
I really have become turned off by college sports and the money.
Maybee Boone Pickens is lookin' four a program ta fund, hey?
Quote from: connie on April 01, 2019, 09:40:05 PM
Technical (maybe) violations of very intensive rules that Spitzer read like they had not been interpreted before because he was looking for a scalp. The NYT summary is about a 2nd grade understanding and the story is horribly biased and uninformed. Beware of self righteous prosecutors selling their souls for higher office while literally buying the bodies of others to get their jollies.
This is correct. What Strong et al were doing was not illegal, but they did not disclose to stakeholders that they were doing it. That is how they got dinged. Other funds doing the same thing (after-hours market-timing arbitrage) that had disclosed their practices were let off the hook becuase they were transparent about what they were doing. Normally this sort of violation would have resulted in a slap on the wrist for String Funds but opportunistic Spitzer was out for blood.
How 'bout Buzz going to TAMU, baby?
Nobody coulda seen that coming. Not Rick or Dick or anybody!
Quote from: GOO on April 02, 2019, 09:20:09 AM
Strong may not have been perfect, but he got taken advantage of a politically motivated attorney general who was basically holding him up for money. All done through the media from NYC. Strong, if he wanted to challenge, would have seen Strong Funds in the media for years and the outflows would have killed Strong Funds by the time the case was done through the courts. He had no choice to but settle it and sell. At least he came out with 500M or so. Strong was put in a really bad position by a prosecutor that had motives beyond any criminal type of issues. He was not perfect.
MU needs a guy like Strong, and I'm not sure that we have anyone at his level who has stepped up financially. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I've not heard of anyone. If the going rate for Wojo is 3.5 Million a year, we need someone like Strong to keep pace and pay the coach's salary or at least most of it. Otherwise, MU will continue to lose successful or semi-successful coach's and we will be a stepping stone job (if we are not already; I had hopes that Wojo would be a guy that would stick around). If Wojo in fact is offered 3.5 a year for 5 years, we better be ready to pay him or the next guy at least that much if not more.
I really have become turned off by college sports and the money.
Bill Stone
Charles Besser
Marcus Lemonis
John Ferraro
Richard Uihlein
Money is not the problem
Quote from: GOO on April 02, 2019, 09:20:09 AM
Strong may not have been perfect, but he got taken advantage of a politically motivated attorney general who was basically holding him up for money. All done through the media from NYC. Strong, if he wanted to challenge, would have seen Strong Funds in the media for years and the outflows would have killed Strong Funds by the time the case was done through the courts. He had no choice to but settle it and sell. At least he came out with 500M or so. Strong was put in a really bad position by a prosecutor that had motives beyond any criminal type of issues. He was not perfect.
MU needs a guy like Strong, and I'm not sure that we have anyone at his level who has stepped up financially. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I've not heard of anyone. If the going rate for Wojo is 3.5 Million a year, we need someone like Strong to keep pace and pay the coach's salary or at least most of it. Otherwise, MU will continue to lose successful or semi-successful coach's and we will be a stepping stone job (if we are not already; I had hopes that Wojo would be a guy that would stick around). If Wojo in fact is offered 3.5 a year for 5 years, we better be ready to pay him or the next guy at least that much if not more.
I really have become turned off by college sports and the money.
It took way too long but we finally have a post that properly captures the gist of the situation. Strong was basically hit with 12 years in prison for dropping a candy wrapper on the street while jaywalking. If Strong was a large, well connected, east coast, old money asset manager, it's a non-issue.
It was that POS Elliot Spitzer right? Justice system needs to be tweaked so you can't just bankrupt a guy with an accusation.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on April 02, 2019, 09:52:14 AM
Bill Stone
Charles Besser
Marcus Lemonis
John Ferraro
Richard Uihlein
Money is not the problem
Maybe Rocky and Topper could donate some of their sweet, sweet 'Scoop cash to support the program.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on April 02, 2019, 09:52:14 AM
Bill Stone
Charles Besser
Marcus Lemonis
John Ferraro
Richard Uihlein
Money is not the problem
No Heise mention?
Towel
Pretty funny that you mentioned Charlie Besser.
Still married to Noreen?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 02, 2019, 10:15:46 AM
No Heise mention?
Maybe I did?
Quote from: Goose on April 02, 2019, 10:18:53 AM
Towel
Pretty funny that you mentioned Charlie Besser.
Why not? Besser has a ton of money. Not all of it is directed to Duke (his son Brendon was a walk-on for Duke and Allen Grayson interned for inter-media and spent the summer at his house in Chicago.)
Besser has been close to Coach K for many years. I think Besser was the "man behind the screen" that got Wojo to MU.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 02, 2019, 10:22:51 AM
Still married to Noreen?
Divorced many many years ago.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on April 02, 2019, 09:52:14 AM
Bill Stone
Charles Besser
Marcus Lemonis
John Ferraro
Richard Uihlein
Money is not the problem
Jesse D AKA MUpilot.
Heard he's a very charitable entrepreneur living in Fox Point.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 02, 2019, 10:37:56 AM
Jesse D AKA MUpilot.
Heard he's a very charitable entrepreneur living in Fox Point.
Agree, throw my name up there, along with crash.
Quote from: MUpilot on April 02, 2019, 10:49:49 AM
Agree, throw my name up there, along with crash.
Crash hasn't spoken to how charitable he is or if he lives in a wealthy part of Seattle, so I can't speak to that. But I do know he can lift a lot of weights so that's cool.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on April 02, 2019, 09:52:14 AM
Bill Stone
Charles Besser
Marcus Lemonis
John Ferraro
Richard Uihlein
Money is not the problem
Good to hear. I hope they are as open with their check books in support of the program as Strong was... because with the way head coach prices are going, unless we want a bargain coach, the program is going to need some of their cash :(
For anyone waiting on a more "official" name to confirm Buzz to A&M is happening...
Quote from: @GoodmanHoopsMost people close to Buzz Williams anticipate he will wrap things up with Texas A&M prior to this weekend (Thursday is the day I've been told). But with Buzz, honestly, you never know.
Teams like to announce big name hires during FF weekend. Buzz will get a lot of air time as the new A&M coach this weekend.
Quote from: Goose on April 02, 2019, 11:16:30 AM
Teams like to announce big name hires during FF weekend. Buzz will get a lot of air time as the new A&M coach this weekend.
He's making sure he's got his A&M lapel pin for CBS before announcing.
# D I C K S T R O N G
Quote from: MU82 on April 02, 2019, 09:41:58 AM
How 'bout Buzz going to TAMU, baby?
Nobody coulda seen that coming. Not Rick or Dick or anybody!
Nice try turning this thread back.
https://www.gobblercountry.com/2019/4/1/18291257/a-letter-to-buzz-williams-from-the-gc-staff-letter-writer-acc-mens-basketball
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 02, 2019, 01:40:20 PM
https://www.gobblercountry.com/2019/4/1/18291257/a-letter-to-buzz-williams-from-the-gc-staff-letter-writer-acc-mens-basketball
Lmao, that poor guy. Buzz is absolutely, 100% gone. Its his nature.
Quote from: MUunderpants on April 02, 2019, 09:40:34 AM
This is correct. What Strong et al were doing was not illegal, but they did not disclose to stakeholders that they were doing it. That is how they got dinged. Other funds doing the same thing (after-hours market-timing arbitrage) that had disclosed their practices were let off the hook becuase they were transparent about what they were doing. Normally this sort of violation would have resulted in a slap on the wrist for String Funds but opportunistic Spitzer was out for blood.
I'm certain Strong didn't do any afterhours trading. That was the 2 other named firms that Spitzer went after. Canary capital was the primary issue. And Dick doing some unwise personal trades with his own money in the funds.
Quote from: Goose on April 02, 2019, 11:16:30 AM
Teams like to announce big name hires during FF weekend. Buzz will get a lot of air time as the new A&M coach this weekend.
Bingo.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 02, 2019, 01:40:20 PM
https://www.gobblercountry.com/2019/4/1/18291257/a-letter-to-buzz-williams-from-the-gc-staff-letter-writer-acc-mens-basketball
Awwwww how cute.
Buzz will be great at TAMU. I also wouldn't be surprised if he ends up getting seriously paid by KU if/when Self ever gets pinched by the NCAA. I believe others have said it, but this is not BW's last big pay day.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 02, 2019, 02:05:57 PM
Lmao, that poor guy. Buzz is absolutely, 100% gone. Its his nature.
Did someone mess with Buzz's happy?
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on April 01, 2019, 03:06:09 PM
Now Buzz has become a political lightning rod. Blue state Virginia has to stop red state Texas from stealing Buzz with "dirty" oil money.
Woke up!
Virginia Tech fan starts GoFundMe to keep 'Oil barons' from hiring Buzz Williams at Texas A&M
19:07 GMT - The Dallas News
https://tech.einnews.com/article__detail/480917491-virginia-tech-fan-starts-gofundme-to-keep-oil-barons-from-hiring-buzz-williams-at-texas-a-m?vcode=XIbw
By Alex Miller , Texas A&M blogger Contact Alex Miller on Twitter: @AlexMill20 There's been soft buzz about Texas A&M hiring Virginia Tech's Buzz Williams to be the Aggies' next head basketball coach over the weekend, which has given Hokie fans time to try and keep their head man. One Virginia Tech fan has started a GoFundMe titled "Keep Buzz in Blacksburg ...
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Blue State Virginia? My guess is you don't spend a lot of time in Blacksburg or the surrounding areas. I go there about once a month these days. Not exactly a bastion of blue or red there.
"I'll stay as long as they'll have me."
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 02, 2019, 07:56:43 PM
"I'll stay as long as they'll have me."
With the obvious unspoken being "they'll only have me as long as I choose to stay."
Toasted Bagel with Knox
@AmazinKnicks
I really don't get Buzz Williams's career path. Went from Marquette, to Virginia Tech, to now Texas A&M. It feels like these are downgrades at every step. Marquette is a much better basketball program than the other two.
4:40 AM - 3 Apr 2019
Goodman tweeting done deal. Now the fun begins.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26429544/texas-hire-va-tech-williams
Yep, starting to be reported.
Quote from: tower912 on April 03, 2019, 07:46:46 AM
Goodman tweeting done deal. Now the fun begins.
Can't wait for the article about how he did an analysis about ACC public schools and how unlikely it would be for him to get to the final four
Quote from: tower912 on April 03, 2019, 07:46:46 AM
Goodman tweeting done deal. Now the fun begins.
He still hasn't changed the color scheme at coachbuzzwilliams.com, but I'm sure it's coming soon. Any bets on whether that happens before or after the official announcement?
I'm really hoping VT's article announcing Buzz's departure includes a picture of Scott Monarch. Would be nice to end the relationship the way it started.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on April 03, 2019, 08:01:23 AM
He still hasn't changed the color scheme at coachbuzzwilliams.com, but I'm sure it's coming soon. Any bets on whether that happens before or after the official announcement?
Aren't both schools a pukey brown color already?
Get ready for the usual Buzz stories:
- ## days on the job
- Going to Final Four with no money looking for a job
- Writing X letters each day
- Naming all Presidents
- "Buzzing" around as a student assistant
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 03, 2019, 08:57:52 AM
Get ready for the usual Buzz stories:
- ## days on the job
- Going to Final Four with no money looking for a job
- Writing X letters each day
- Naming all Presidents
- "Buzzing" around as a student assistant
Rinse and repeat.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 03, 2019, 08:57:52 AM
Get ready for the usual Buzz stories:
- ## days on the job
- Going to Final Four with no money looking for a job
- Writing X letters each day
- Naming all Presidents
- "Buzzing" around as a student assistant
You forgot the story about him sweeping the corners of a gym
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on April 03, 2019, 06:59:51 AM
Toasted Bagel with Knox
@AmazinKnicks
I really don't get Buzz Williams's career path. Went from Marquette, to Virginia Tech, to now Texas A&M. It feels like these are downgrades at every step. Marquette is a much better basketball program than the other two.
4:40 AM - 3 Apr 2019
Time for us to accept that the new Big East isn't all that respected. Sure it's a cute little basketball conference but definitely well behind the big 4. VaTech is bottom of barrel job in ACC and is on Verge of poaching two big east coaches.
Quote from: Bocephys on April 03, 2019, 08:45:59 AM
Aren't both schools a pukey brown color already?
I've been looking for him to drop the orange from the landing page.
Hey guys, it's me, Dick Strong. I am indeed a billionaire and very happy for Buzz.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on April 03, 2019, 09:27:11 AM
Time for us to accept that the new Big East isn't all that respected. Sure it's a cute little basketball conference but definitely well behind the big 4. VaTech is bottom of barrel job in ACC and is on Verge of poaching two big east coaches.
KenPom Conference Rankings Since The New Big East Began
2019: 5th
2018: 3rd
2017: 3rd
2016: 3rd
2015: 2nd
2014: 5th
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 03, 2019, 09:31:14 AM
KenPom Conference Rankings Since The New Big East Began
2019: 5th
2018: 3rd
2017: 3rd
2016: 3rd
2015: 2nd
2014: 5th
Also, two national championships.
It was undeniably a down year for the Big East this year. But I think it's probably a little premature to bury the conference.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on April 03, 2019, 09:34:53 AM
Also, two national championships.
It was undeniably a down year for the Big East this year. But I think it's probably a little premature to bury the conference.
Agreed, I am a bit concerned about some of the $ these $crap schools in the power football conferences are throwing at coaches though. If the BEast can't pony up to match over time, it will become a coaching feeder conference for the majors.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on April 03, 2019, 09:27:11 AM
Time for us to accept that the new Big East isn't all that respected. Sure it's a cute little basketball conference but definitely well behind the big 4. VaTech is bottom of barrel job in ACC and is on Verge of poaching two big east coaches.
It more has to do with the TV money the ACC gets because of football. Also, the new ACC Network that starts in fall.
We are in the field with Texas A&M in the Orlando Invitational next season
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on April 03, 2019, 09:50:04 AM
We are in the field with Texas A&M in the Orlando Invitational next season
I mean ESPN has to make that a first round matchup right? Buzz vs old school?
Quote from: Hubert Davis on April 03, 2019, 09:30:36 AM
Hey guys, it's me, Dick Strong. I am indeed a billionaire and very happy for Buzz.
gotta love dick's parents for choice of names, eyn'a? whatya name the 2nd born? ...this is my other brother dick?
Interesting wrinkle to the Buzz to TAMU story. TAMU hired Jeff Reynolds as an assistant coach last summer. Reynolds most recent stop was as Director of Scouting at Virginia Tech. Possible that Reynolds was sent there ahead of Buzz to do some recruiting?
Quote from: esotericmindguy on April 03, 2019, 09:27:11 AM
Time for us to accept that the new Big East isn't all that respected. Sure it's a cute little basketball conference but definitely well behind the big 4. VaTech is bottom of barrel job in ACC and is on Verge of poaching two big east coaches.
For most of its existence it has not been behind the big 4. Without football money this is the best we are going to do, so make the best of it.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 03, 2019, 10:23:43 AM
Interesting wrinkle to the Buzz to TAMU story. TAMU hired Jeff Reynolds as an assistant coach last summer. Reynolds most recent stop was as Director of Scouting at Virginia Tech. Possible that Reynolds was sent there ahead of Buzz to do some recruiting?
Isaac Chew was there until January as well (left for personal reasons). Nothing Buzz does surprises me.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 03, 2019, 10:23:43 AM
Interesting wrinkle to the Buzz to TAMU story. TAMU hired Jeff Reynolds as an assistant coach last summer. Reynolds most recent stop was as Director of Scouting at Virginia Tech. Possible that Reynolds was sent there ahead of Buzz to do some recruiting?
Could be - but Chew was also an assistant coach there who left the team for "family reasons" a while ago. Some suspect that he was the conduit through which Buzz talked to A&M officials.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 03, 2019, 09:31:14 AM
KenPom Conference Rankings Since The New Big East Began
2019: 5th
2018: 3rd
2017: 3rd
2016: 3rd
2015: 2nd
2014: 5th
That's my point, it doesn't matter. Coaches want to be in the power 4 conferences. It's pretty obvious.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on April 03, 2019, 09:27:11 AM
Time for us to accept that the new Big East isn't all that respected. Sure it's a cute little basketball conference but definitely well behind the big 4. VaTech is bottom of barrel job in ACC and is on Verge of poaching two big east coaches.
Assuming Willard goes to Blacksburg you leave out an important fact about these coaching hires: both guys were running away from something.
It's easier to "poach" when the animal walks into your trap voluntarily.
My, my......that Buzz Williams can sure recruit and coach some!
And he gets the guys to play like their hair is on fire.
Seriously, he's a winner. Doubt he'll stay 5 years at this stop.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on April 03, 2019, 10:32:08 AM
That's my point, it doesn't matter. Coaches want to be in the power 4 conferences. It's pretty obvious.
Did you just make up the term Power 4 conferences?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 03, 2019, 10:23:43 AM
Interesting wrinkle to the Buzz to TAMU story. TAMU hired Jeff Reynolds as an assistant coach last summer. Reynolds most recent stop was as Director of Scouting at Virginia Tech. Possible that Reynolds was sent there ahead of Buzz to do some recruiting?
Virginia Tech people agree with you.
https://247sports.com/college/virginia-tech/Board/59428/Contents/Buzz-SENT-Reynolds-to-TAMU-one-year-ago-130836143/
Quote from: Pakuni on April 03, 2019, 10:43:20 AM
Did you just make up the term Power 4 conferences?
Yes, he no longer considers Big East a Power Conference, so now there are only 4.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on April 03, 2019, 10:32:08 AM
That's my point, it doesn't matter. Coaches want to be in the power 4 conferences. It's pretty obvious.
So far three "New" Big East coaches have been "poached" by power 4 conferences.
Buzz was running from Marquette.
Chris Holtmann was poached from Butler to Ohio State. So he was going from a top 40ish program to a top 15 program.
Chris Mack was poached from Xavier to Louisville. So he was going from a top 25ish program to a top 10 program.
None of these are really examples of coaches "wanting to be in the Power 4 conferences". One is an example of an employee wanting a change of scenery. The other two are examples of coaches leaving worse jobs for better ones. I assume "Power 4" doesn't include the PAC 12. Jamie Dixon is leaving the "Power 4" Big 12 for the Pac 12. Why? Because UCLA is a better program than TCU.
If Wojo were to go to VT (I highly doubt it) then you might be on to something. If Willard goes to VT that's a lateral move at worse, likely for more money.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on April 03, 2019, 09:27:11 AM
Time for us to accept that the new Big East isn't all that respected. Sure it's a cute little basketball conference but definitely well behind the big 4. VaTech is bottom of barrel job in ACC and is on Verge of poaching two big east coaches.
This is sarcastic, right?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 03, 2019, 10:46:07 AM
Virginia Tech people agree with you.
https://247sports.com/college/virginia-tech/Board/59428/Contents/Buzz-SENT-Reynolds-to-TAMU-one-year-ago-130836143/
I've seen reports that Buzz was already letting people know (including apparently a recruit) that he wasn't going to be staying at VPI very long.
So this planting seeds at TAMU line of rumors likely has some legs.
Quote from: MU B2002 on April 03, 2019, 10:48:09 AM
Yes, he no longer considers Big East a Power Conference, so now there are only 4.
So, I know the Pac 12 has been bad of late, but is that also a mid-major conference these days?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 03, 2019, 10:43:20 AM
Did you just make up the term Power 4 conferences?
I believe he did.
"Power Five" refers to football and NCAA legislation purposes. Autonomy legislation applies to them, for the rest, it's permissive legislation. However, in basketball, it is common to refer to the "Power Six" with the Big East included.
In a down year the Big East got three at-large bids. They did not need a team to run the table in the conference tournament to get an additional bid, as the Pac-12 did.
People complain about the money the "Power Five" conferences have but it doesn't equate to success in basketball. Throwing money at coaches doesn't make programs better than MU, Nova, etc.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 03, 2019, 10:23:43 AM
Interesting wrinkle to the Buzz to TAMU story. TAMU hired Jeff Reynolds as an assistant coach last summer. Reynolds most recent stop was as Director of Scouting at Virginia Tech. Possible that Reynolds was sent there ahead of Buzz to do some recruiting?
Chew coached with Kennedy at Murray State. Reynolds and Chew are close.
That said, when Buzz quit MU, still under contract MU assistants (and soon to be VPI assistants) were seen trying to take recruiting books out of The Al, and Cords then locked them all out except Jerry.
https://twitter.com/TeamCoachBuzz
Already has his social media rebranded.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 03, 2019, 12:16:37 PM
https://twitter.com/TeamCoachBuzz
Already has his social media rebranded.
Does he have a photo editor on retainer?
Can't wait to see him on CBS this weekend with his Aggie tie on.
Lots of posts here on the phony cowboy. Who really cares?
Quote from: willie warrior on April 03, 2019, 01:25:46 PM
Lots of posts here on the phony cowboy. Who really cares?
Amen Brother Willie
Some VT recruits have recently begun following A&M's basketball account. VT's cupboard is about to become incredibly empty.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 03, 2019, 01:25:46 PM
Lots of posts here on the phony cowboy. Who really cares?
Kick back and enjoy the ride Willie. There are like 8 threads, we have people following flights, airports, hotels, VT fan basketball sites, UNLV fan basketball sites, the millionth Crean/Buzz, Wojo/Buzz comparisons, what colors Buzz is going to wear, the upcoming MU vacancy, the Wojo would be no big loss, social media, and many more. I think its great to just kick back and read.
Buzzy changes colors like a chameleon with money
Did anyone email OP yet?
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 03, 2019, 01:57:37 PM
Did anyone email OP yet?
Pssst ... the answer is "yes."
Quote from: MattyWarrior on April 03, 2019, 01:50:08 PM
Buzzy changes colors like a chameleon with money
In fairness, he only had to change one color this time.
The real question is whether TAMU (school) is being proactive with TAMU's (poster) salary given the increase in work load he is taking on with Buzz coming aboard...
Quote from: wadesworld on April 03, 2019, 05:41:53 PM
The real question is whether TAMU (school) is being proactive with TAMU's (poster) salary given the increase in work load he is taking on with Buzz coming aboard...
They've already increased his towel per-diem by 800%
Quote from: willie warrior on April 03, 2019, 01:25:46 PM
Who really cares?
Apparently you do since you clicked a thread titled "Is Buzz Going To A&M".
Quote from: Bocephys on April 03, 2019, 05:44:02 PM
They've already increased his towel per-diem by 800%
You mean Heisy 2.0 will post 8 times a day on A&M Scout?
TAMU, what do you think about being reunited with coach Williams? What is the buzz on campus?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 03, 2019, 09:53:42 AM
I mean ESPN has to make that a first round matchup right? Buzz vs old school?
I really kind of hope not. If we beat an average A&M team with our best team on paper in years, great. But if we get out scrapped, out lunch pailed and out junk yard dogged by a Buzz coached team it will be brutal for Wojo and this board
Do you mean to say that a Buzz team is going to be agressive, come on.