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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Eldon on March 29, 2019, 11:33:59 AM
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“Hell yeah it’s different,” Butler said. “Buzz Williams, who is a lot like Thibs in the sense that they’re going to yell at you, they’re going to motherf— you, they’re going to say it all, that’s how they talk to you. I think in the league you can’t really talk to nobody like that. You know what I mean?”
“Yeah,” Evans said, “it’s like a child actor if you’re making more than your parents —
“Exactly.”
“— they kind of can’t tell you to clean your room.”
*crickets*
“I did not say that,” Butler said, “so you’re not going to say I told little kids not to clean their rooms ... something like that. It’s tough to yell at a grown man who potentially is making more money than you. Not saying that you shouldn’t listen to people, but it’s a different level.”
https://sports.yahoo.com/jimmy-butler-shares-why-tom-thibodeaus-coaching-style-isnt-conducive-to-the-nba-192117016.html
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Thibs to the NCAA?
IMO, the management of egos has to be the biggest hurdle in coaching college vs coaching in the NBA.
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For sure. Phil Jackson wasn’t a great x’s and o’s guy, but he was the right guy for those teams because of his ability to manage egos.
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Maybe Wojo can get thibs as an assistant
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Maybe Wojo can get thibs as an assistant
Wojo is plenty salty with the toungue in practice, there is no coddling despite the myth that lives here.
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IMO, the management of egos has to be the biggest hurdle in coaching college vs coaching in the NBA.
And Butler certainly has a huge ego.
NBA is so unappealing to me. This is one reason. Other is just style of play and effort
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Wojo is plenty salty with the toungue in practice, there is no coddling despite the myth that lives here.
Wojo's Dad could have been a character in Season 2 of The Wire. I doubt anyone is surprised he can go full KO in practice.
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Alfred McGuire, anyone?
AL was a lot better Xs and Os guy than he gets credit for - witness the smothering defenses he devised and devastated opponents with.
We fully expected the other guys to NOT inbound against Al's schemes.
We fully expected the other guys to NOT get across mid-court in 10 seconds against Al's traps.
But Al's greatest gift was people.
If anyone has an ounce of good will towards Tom Crean they should compare that c0ck sucker to Al.
'Nuff said.
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I wish we could get a coach likeTibbs to MU but candy ass, politically correct MU won't dare get an "in your face coach" anymore like Buzz. It's the PC Golden Chickens all the way baby!
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I wish we could get a coach likeTibbs to MU but candy ass, politically correct MU won't dare get an "in your face coach" anymore like Buzz. It's the PC Golden Chickens all the way baby!
Lol. Let me guess, you’re a pilot?
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Lol. Let me guess, you’re a pilot?
I'm an alien- no pilot on my craft
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Wojo is plenty salty with the toungue in practice, there is no coddling despite the myth that lives here.
Cuz Chicos has sat in on so many of Wojos MU practices, what an fin douche!!
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And Butler certainly has a huge ego.
NBA is so unappealing to me. This is one reason. Other is just style of play and effort
Effort? Come on, still with this myth? NBA players are so good at what they do that they make the game look easy and effortless. And then 82 games with travel is a long and grueling season, if you're going balls out for 48 min, killing yourself every play, you won't have any juice for the playoffs. Even happens to college players. "NBA players don't try hard" is so dumb. Id rather their lack of effort than TTU-Michigan last night.
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Cuz Chicos has sat in on so many of Wojos MU practices, what an fin douche!!
He runs in the same circles...Herman too...ok i have to get over that.
Been to a few practices...wojo very clean...maybe because people there. He's no Lute.. heard him say dang a few time at U of A practices. That guy had class.
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Lol. Let me guess, you’re a pilot?
;D ;D
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;D ;D
How's the granola up there in Toronto, eh?
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I wish we could get a coach likeTibbs to MU but candy ass, politically correct MU won't dare get an "in your face coach" anymore like Buzz. It's the PC Golden Chickens all the way baby!
It sounds like you need a new team to root for. Don't let the door hit you in the petunie on the way out.
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Effort? Come on, still with this myth? NBA players are so good at what they do that they make the game look easy and effortless. And then 82 games with travel is a long and grueling season, if you're going balls out for 48 min, killing yourself every play, you won't have any juice for the playoffs. Even happens to college players. "NBA players don't try hard" is so dumb. Id rather their lack of effort than TTU-Michigan last night.
Well, I guess I don’t have to argue my point about effort sometimes lacking with you since you go on to agree with me!
Yes, NBA regular season is way too long, and no doubt leads to guys coasting at times. I would love to see the regular season shortened by at least 10-12 games. Playoffs are too long to, a best of 7 opening round is silly.
Less is more often, but we’ll never see it happen because there’s enough fan support the money is too good to pass up by changing it.
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Coach makes more than player: yells, screams, coaches hard, assumes authority
Coach makes less than player: let player do what they want, feels inferior, keeps mouth shut, cant really yell cuz makes less money
This seems to push the notion that if someone has more money than you they are superior in all ways and you should bow down to them. just silly thinking.
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Coach makes more than player: yells, screams, coaches hard, assumes authority
Coach makes less than player: let player do what they want, feels inferior, keeps mouth shut, cant really yell cuz makes less money
This seems to push the notion that if someone has more money than you they are superior in all ways and you should bow down to them. just silly thinking.
It is easier to fire the coach than it is to fire player(s), for financial and other reasons.
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“Hell yeah it’s different,” Butler said. “Buzz Williams, who is a lot like Thibs in the sense that they’re going to yell at you, they’re going to motherf— you, they’re going to say it all, that’s how they talk to you. I think in the league you can’t really talk to nobody like that. You know what I mean?”
“Yeah,” Evans said, “it’s like a child actor if you’re making more than your parents —
“Exactly.”
“— they kind of can’t tell you to clean your room.”
*crickets*
“I did not say that,” Butler said, “so you’re not going to say I told little kids not to clean their rooms ... something like that. It’s tough to yell at a grown man who potentially is making more money than you. Not saying that you shouldn’t listen to people, but it’s a different level.”
https://sports.yahoo.com/jimmy-butler-shares-why-tom-thibodeaus-coaching-style-isnt-conducive-to-the-nba-192117016.html
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Thibs to the NCAA?
IMO, the management of egos has to be the biggest hurdle in coaching college vs coaching in the NBA.
I hadn't thought about it but he would probably kill it in the NCAA if he got some stud recruiter assistants. He seems like the type that would absolutely hate that aspect, but he had GM experience with the Wolves so the roster management experience is there. UCLA might pay him enough to tempt him
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I hadn't thought about it but he would probably kill it in the NCAA if he got some stud recruiter assistants. He seems like the type that would absolutely hate that aspect, but he had GM experience with the Wolves so the roster management experience is there. UCLA might pay him enough to tempt him
Ha ha ha....you actually think he can recruit a kid? Maybe he could at Wisconsin?
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It is easier to fire the coach than it is to fire player(s), for financial and other reasons.
Silly.....yes. But reality just the same. It's the bottom line. Unless the coach is paid over $7 million most times he is not safe.
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And Butler certainly has a huge ego.
NBA is so unappealing to me. This is one reason. Other is just style of play and effort
No he doesn't!
He's an NBA Star. He's earned it! In his profession from where he came from and how he came up. . . you need an "ego" as long as he is not 'egotistical.'
There is a difference.
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Effort? Come on, still with this myth? NBA players are so good at what they do that they make the game look easy and effortless. And then 82 games with travel is a long and grueling season, if you're going balls out for 48 min, killing yourself every play, you won't have any juice for the playoffs. Even happens to college players. "NBA players don't try hard" is so dumb. Id rather their lack of effort than TTU-Michigan last night.
Wags
You need to get your sh1t together. Don't you know that air travel tears a man apart and lays bare his naked soul?
College athlete or pro - no man should be expected to endure the Bataan Death March that is air travel. I read somewhere that Huggins blamed his woeful past season on air travel. In fact, he called the flights from Morgantown to OU and OSU the "Latter Day Trail of Tears."
I think what is needed is a dramatic solution to end the carnage: Have every play nothing but home games.
That way, no man will be asked to subject himself to the horrors of road trips where the cookie tray at the Doubletree might be empty. I have heard of a good man, already greatly inconvenienced by substandard pillows at the Hilton, being denied the simple pleasure of a cheeseburger while on the road because, as I understand it, a tinker or tailor wouldn't let him order room service.
The agony must end, dammit!
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No he doesn't!
He's an NBA Star. He's earned it! In his profession from where he came from and how he came up. . . you need an "ego" as long as he is not 'egotistical.'
There is a difference.
True, you do need a level of ego to rise to the level of success he’s had. But his behavior to force his way out of Minnesota was pathetic and just serves to lump himself in with the rest of the pompous jerks around the league and professional sports for that matter. He has a great story, but then like so many, forgets where he came from and just ends up being another self-indulgent jacka$$.
Giannis is one of the very few in the league who truly seems to appreciate the spoils of his success and hasn’t forgotten his humble roots. No doubt I’m sure his ego is big too, but he carries himself with extreme class. To me, he’s the gold standard of how superstar athletes should behave. I thought Butler had that in him too while at MU. So it is possible to handle success with grace and class with a big ego, which Butler forever ruined and stained by his exit from Minnesota.
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Other is just style of play and effort
You just prefer watching inferior brands of basketball?
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You just prefer watching inferior brands of basketball?
NBA is not my cup of tea. Lots of basketball fans feel the same. So?
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You just prefer watching inferior brands of basketball?
Other levels of basketball are only inferior in terms of skill level of players to the NBA. But great individual skill alone does not make it an attractive product for many.
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Other levels of basketball are only inferior in terms of skill level of players to the NBA. But great individual skill alone does not make it an attractive product for many.
Just checking to make sure you knew what you were saying. I like college basketball, but by no means is it a 1% better than the NBA product in any aspect.
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Wags
You need to get your sh1t together. Don't you know that air travel tears a man apart and lays bare his naked soul?
College athlete or pro - no man should be expected to endure the Bataan Death March that is air travel. I read somewhere that Huggins blamed his woeful past season on air travel. In fact, he called the flights from Morgantown to OU and OSU the "Latter Day Trail of Tears."
That way, no man will be asked to subject himself to the horrors of road trips where the cookie tray at the Doubletree might be empty. I have heard of a good man, already greatly inconvenienced by substandard pillows at the Hilton, being denied the simple pleasure of a cheeseburger while on the road because, as I understand it, a tinker or tailor wouldn't let him order room service.
The agony must end, dammit!
My thoughts exactly. Nothing worse that a first class sleeper seat on a charter jet with your choice of dining selections.
Yes and I heard the Ritz Carlton San Francisco barely holds a candle to the Motel 6 along a deserted interstate in Iowa. And the grub? Rumor has it Oprah’s cocker spaniels are fed better.
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Just checking to make sure you knew what you were saying. I like college basketball, but by no means is it a 1% better than the NBA product in any aspect.
Defensive three second.rule?
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“Giannis is one of the very few in the league who truly seems to appreciate the spoils of his success and hasn’t forgotten his humble roots. No doubt I’m sure his ego is big too, but he carries himself with extreme class. To me, he’s the gold standard of how superstar athletes should behave. I thought Butler had that in him too while at MU. So it is possible to handle success with grace and class with a big ego, which Butler forever ruined and stained by his exit from Minnesota. “
I’ve met many a people who have risen a few tax brackets who won’t dare wash their d!cks with the “unwashed” anymore. Usually the ones with too small a pencil anyways so they overcompensate. The true good person doesn’t lose his/her bearing and constantly reminds thyself of where they’ve been and truly grateful.
Jfb ‘ actions(with the exception of his play) don’t speak well of him, but with his new found riches, he has built a wall around himself. He may very well be grateful, but time will tell who his real friends are.
I believe giannis, being from a very poor country, where our poor are rich by comparison, will maintain his humility
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For sure. Phil Jackson wasn’t a great x’s and o’s guy, but he was the right guy for those teams because of his ability to manage egos.
Popovich, too, although I'm sure that having a humble team-leader like Duncan helped.
I wonder how a guy like Brad Stevens deals with egos. He comes from the NCAA, and I remember reading that one thing that he hated was recruiting, e.g., sitting on a kid's couch, chatting up the parents, etc. I wonder if he hates "ego management" even more.
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True, you do need a level of ego to rise to the level of success he’s had. But his behavior to force his way out of Minnesota was pathetic and just serves to lump himself in with the rest of the pompous jerks around the league and professional sports for that matter. He has a great story, but then like so many, forgets where he came from and just ends up being another self-indulgent jacka$$.
Giannis is one of the very few in the league who truly seems to appreciate the spoils of his success and hasn’t forgotten his humble roots. No doubt I’m sure his ego is big too, but he carries himself with extreme class. To me, he’s the gold standard of how superstar athletes should behave. I thought Butler had that in him too while at MU. So it is possible to handle success with grace and class with a big ego, which Butler forever ruined and stained by his exit from Minnesota.
Butler never asked to be on Minnesota, and he deferred to their young stars Wiggins and Towns the first 20ish games last year. As one of the most intelligent/efficient basketball winners in the game right now, it had to drive him absolutely insane to watch Wiggins jack up contested 20 footers off the dribble with impunity while Towns got tossed around in the post on D and loafed to cover the perimeter.
As soon as Jimmy said eff that and started asserting himself, the Wolves were in position to get the 3 seed in the West before he got hurt. Massive, massive difference. If Thibs was smart, he would have fire sold Wiggins in the off-season and tried to get 85 cents on the dollar for Towns then told Jimmy the team is his. Since it was gonna be more of the same, Jimmy let them know he was not going to re-sign with them and advised that he be traded. Jimmy's window is closing in a couple years, can't waste another year with Wiggins and Towns. Then Thibs played hardball and got owned. No hard feelings, those guys have a deep understanding of each other and how they operate.
Now the narrative is that Jimmy is an egomaniac, when in reality he wants to win and couldn't stand being around losers like Wiggins for one of the few years of his prime. On the Sixers he plays well within the confines of the system and makes winning plays. He was put in a situation where he was surrounded by winners and now you don't hear from him.
He has a chance to make a deep run this year, it would be great if our alum supported him along the way.
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I believe giannis, being from a very poor country, where our poor are rich by comparison, will maintain his humility
Greece? I mean Greece has its issues but I'd never call it "very poor" or where the poor of the US would be living large. You realize he didn't spend any of his youth in Nigeria?
I like Giannis and I think he has his head on straight, but he didn't grow up playing basketball with rolled up socks in a village. His socioeconomic start isn't wildly different than many NBA stars who grew up in housing projects or the like.
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Butler never asked to be on Minnesota, and he deferred to their young stars Wiggins and Towns the first 20ish games last year. As one of the most intelligent/efficient basketball winners in the game right now, it had to drive him absolutely insane to watch Wiggins jack up contested 20 footers off the dribble with impunity while Towns got tossed around in the post on D and loafed to cover the perimeter.
As soon as Jimmy said eff that and started asserting himself, the Wolves were in position to get the 3 seed in the West before he got hurt. Massive, massive difference. If Thibs was smart, he would have fire sold Wiggins in the off-season and tried to get 85 cents on the dollar for Towns then told Jimmy the team is his. Since it was gonna be more of the same, Jimmy let them know he was not going to re-sign with them and advised that he be traded. Jimmy's window is closing in a couple years, can't waste another year with Wiggins and Towns. Then Thibs played hardball and got owned. No hard feelings, those guys have a deep understanding of each other and how they operate.
Now the narrative is that Jimmy is an egomaniac, when in reality he wants to win and couldn't stand being around losers like Wiggins for one of the few years of his prime. On the Sixers he plays well within the confines of the system and makes winning plays. He was put in a situation where he was surrounded by winners and now you don't hear from him.
He has a chance to make a deep run this year, it would be great if our alum supported him along the way.
What exactly have Butler or "the winners" that surround him in Philly won?
Butler didn't ask to be in Minnesota...yet, just like he forced his way out of Minnesota, he forced his way out of Chicago.
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Butler didn't ask to be in Minnesota...yet, just like he forced his way out of Minnesota, he forced his way out of Chicago.
Exactly. The way he handled the situation was acting like a petulant child.
We don't hear from him now as EFR states, yes, because when petulant behavior gets their way, they are quiet...until they're unhappy about something again.
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Wags
You need to get your sh1t together. Don't you know that air travel tears a man apart and lays bare his naked soul?
College athlete or pro - no man should be expected to endure the Bataan Death March that is air travel. I read somewhere that Huggins blamed his woeful past season on air travel. In fact, he called the flights from Morgantown to OU and OSU the "Latter Day Trail of Tears."
I think what is needed is a dramatic solution to end the carnage: Have every play nothing but home games.
That way, no man will be asked to subject himself to the horrors of road trips where the cookie tray at the Doubletree might be empty. I have heard of a good man, already greatly inconvenienced by substandard pillows at the Hilton, being denied the simple pleasure of a cheeseburger while on the road because, as I understand it, a tinker or tailor wouldn't let him order room service.
The agony must end, dammit!
Posts about how soft college kids are because they don't want to fly from Spokane to NYC a couple times a year (when they can simply play 4-5 tough non-con gams, win 2-3 of them, play the rest of their season along the West Coast, lose a max of 1 conference regular season/tournament game the rest of the way, and get a 1 seed out West every year).
Then immediately goes and creates a topic asking the mods to take down the scoreboard.
I love Scoop.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/jimmy-butler-minnesota-timberwolves-76ers-return-032536469.html
While we're on JFB, he says he might join in the booing of himself when he makes a return to Minny.
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Greece? I mean Greece has its issues but I'd never call it "very poor" or where the poor of the US would be living large. You realize he didn't spend any of his youth in Nigeria?
I like Giannis and I think he has his head on straight, but he didn't grow up playing basketball with rolled up socks in a village. His socioeconomic start isn't wildly different than many NBA stars who grew up in housing projects or the like.
You know his story, right?
Parents were”undocumented immigrants” in Greece and giannis as well. Sold sunglasses and dvd’s To help the family.
“He remembers his parents struggling very hard to make ends meet and support a family of eight. On most days, he and his older brother, Thanasis would report for practice on a near empty stomach, in a field close to the modest neighborhood of Sepolia where the family lived.”
35% poverty rate, U.S. 13.5%
Unemployment rate-18%
Debt rate is 170% of gdp, U.S.-104%
Greece kids 15-25 unemployment-50% , U.S.-8%
Wags, I do not post these things to chide, but actually to inform myself as well. Greece is a pretty troubled and stressed country. I do believe if I were poor, I’d rather be here than Greece or any other country for that matter. My point is, I believe these factors will lead giannis to hold onto his humility longer, if not forever as a comparison to the jfb’s of the world. I believe the tightness of the family is a big factor-jfb’s father left him at an early age. Giannis father did leave them as well, but (RIP mr. giannis) due to a very tragic and sudden heart attack about 1 1/2 years ago at the age of 54.
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Heard an interview with Kevin O'Neil and he said he prefers coaching in NBA, to coaching in college at this time. In the pros you're coaching people that have made it and are trying to get better to extend their brand. In college you're coaching some guys that have no chance of reaching the NBA, but think they should be the star so that they can make it. Towards the end of his coaching run he was brutally honest with recruits and their parents. When one player's father asked what he would have to do, to get the player into the NBA. Kevin told him to forget the NBA, work hard and get his degree, the player was lucky that he's even offering him a scholarship for college.
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JFB has "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." written on his shoes. Announcers play 'you're so vain' as he comes out
https://www.nba.com/article/2019/03/30/about-last-night-3-29-19