Murray State, at least via ESPN eyes, goes to 16 and vaults teams seeded higher including Washington, Minnesota, Purdue, Oklahoma, Baylor, LSU (3 seed), Maryland, OSU, Iowa, Florida, UCF, Wofford and FSU.
They were definitely better than a 12 seed. Bad luck for us in the draw....not bad luck for us on the court, they were the better team by far. Better to get a 6, 7, or 8 than a 5 seed.
Meanwhile, Buzzard's opponent is 32nd, and last in the reseed.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26335371/reseeding-2019-ncaa-tournament-field-round-32
you forgot to write "crapshoot" for the 5000th time
Wojo.....unlucky.
Buzz......lucky.
Wish MU would have gotten a six seed.
Keep repeating.....
So?
The bottom line is "Buzzard" is on the way to his 4th Sweet Sixteen. Fortunately, 3 of them were with us. Watching his Virginia Tech team last night brought back some great memories for me.
Their resume wasn't better, though. They got the seed they earned. From a seeding perspective, the committee was pretty much dead on.
Quote from: hairy worthen on March 23, 2019, 11:07:57 AM
you forgot to write "crapshoot" for the 5000th time
Crapshoot. 5001
Or if you want, we can take Mark Few's word for it.
"Are you kidding me?" Few said a few weeks before an Elite Eight loss to eventual champion Duke. "The tournament is a crapshoot. It shouldn't be everything. It's such a shallow thing to pin everything on."
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 23, 2019, 11:12:10 AM
Wojo.....unlucky.
Buzz......lucky.
Wish MU would have gotten a six seed.
Keep repeating.....
Luck is part of it. Ask the coaches from Mark Few, Coach K, etc. Every single one of them has said luck is part of the tournament.
Quote from: AirPunch on March 23, 2019, 11:15:47 AM
So?
The bottom line is "Buzzard" is on the way to his 4th Sweet Sixteen. Fortunately, 3 of them were with us. Watching his Virginia Tech team last night brought back some great memories for me.
Yup, and sometimes the path helps. I recall the year Wisconsin played three double digit seeds...yes, luck matters, too.
Amazes me people deny this reality. Who you play, matters. When you have no control over the opponent and the committee gives you a gift or gives you a bear, it matters. When you are in a bracket and a better team then you has an off day and you now get to avoid playing them, that is pure luck....you didn't do a single thing to effect that outcome but become the beneficiary of it. Yes, luck matters.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 23, 2019, 12:00:54 PM
Yup, and sometimes the path helps. I recall the year Wisconsin played three double digit seeds...yes, luck matters, too.
Amazes me people deny this reality. Who you play, matters. When you have no control over the opponent and the committee gives you a gift or gives you a bear, it matters. When you are in a bracket and a better team then you has an off day and you now get to avoid playing them, that is pure luck....you didn't do a single thing to effect that outcome but become the beneficiary of it. Yes, luck matters.
Buzzards team didn't collapse down the stretch and as a result earned a higher seed. Therefore, it makes sense their path would be easier. Besides, no one remembers the "path" it took to get there. It just matters that you made it.
Quote from: AirPunch on March 23, 2019, 12:05:24 PM
Buzzards team didn't collapse down the stretch and as a result earned a higher seed. Therefore, it makes sense their path would be easier. Besides, no one remembers the "path" it took to get there. It just matters that you made it.
That's not true. Losers usually remember. They're also the ones that usually talk a lot about luck. Loser's mentality.
I want MU to be the team that makes opponent's fans lament the bad luck of their draw.
Quote from: AirPunch on March 23, 2019, 12:05:24 PM
Buzzards team didn't collapse down the stretch and as a result earned a higher seed. Therefore, it makes sense their path would be easier. Besides, no one remembers the "path" it took to get there. It just matters that you made it.
I seem to remember 2011 before Buzz had ever made a sweet 16, we were 9-7 in conference and proceeded to lose two games we were favored in to close the season. People were giving up on him as a coach. People were giving up on the team.
We needed two wins in the BET to make the tournament. We got them. Then made a S16.
And that's why I think judging solely off tournament success is dumb. Buzz made his first S16 with a team that arguably shouldn't have been in the tournament. In my opinion, we had a better year this year than we did that season.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 23, 2019, 11:54:30 AM
Luck is part of it. Ask the coaches from Mark Few, Coach K, etc. Every single one of them has said luck is part of the tournament.
Yep.....and just so happens to fit your agenda.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on March 23, 2019, 12:32:49 PM
I seem to remember 2011 before Buzz had ever made a sweet 16, we were 9-7 in conference and proceeded to lose two games we were favored in to close the season. People were giving up on him as a coach. People were giving up on the team.
We needed two wins in the BET to make the tournament. We got them. Then made a S16.
And that's why I think judging solely off tournament success is dumb. Buzz made his first S16 with a team that arguably shouldn't have been in the tournament. In my opinion, we had a better year this year than we did that season.
We did indeed question Buzz after some of those games, but no one ever questioned those team's toughness and ability to win the next game.
Cheekz, you're hurting the cause.
Yes, luck plays a role. Yes matchups play a role. In a 20 point beatdown against a team you should have beaten, other things played bigger roles. Its okay to support the coach while also saying that Murray State was a poor performance.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on March 23, 2019, 12:32:49 PM
I seem to remember 2011 before Buzz had ever made a sweet 16, we were 9-7 in conference and proceeded to lose two games we were favored in to close the season. People were giving up on him as a coach. People were giving up on the team.
We needed two wins in the BET to make the tournament. We got them. Then made a S16.
And that's why I think judging solely off tournament success is dumb. Buzz made his first S16 with a team that arguably shouldn't have been in the tournament. In my opinion, we had a better year this year than we did that season.
I remember that year and it was stressful. A slightly different situation though. There were 11 big east teams in the tournament that year and the team that finished in 9th place (UCONN) went on to win a national championship. I'm not sure this team would have been able to compete in that big east.
I do agree with you though that judging off tourney success alone is dumb.
Quote from: Badgerhater on March 23, 2019, 12:39:29 PM
We did indeed question Buzz after some of those games, but no one ever questioned those team's toughness and ability to win the next game.
That's absolutely not true. Maybe nobody questioned their "toughness" but plenty of people assumed a first round BET loss to Providence and a season with no NCAA berth. Many people thought we underperformed our talent that season, which we did.
We definitely overperformed our talent in 2010, 2012, and 2013.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 23, 2019, 11:18:06 AM
Their resume wasn't better, though. They got the seed they earned. From a seeding perspective, the committee was pretty much dead on.
Based on body of work, yes. Based on recency...no. MU should have received a 7 to 10 based on recency. Sagarin has Murray State 23rd in recency, which would have been a 5 seed. Again, why it sucks to be in the 5 hole because your opponent is either a team red hot, or a mid major who is damn damn good that no one talks about.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on March 23, 2019, 12:43:12 PM
That's absolutely not true. Maybe nobody questioned their "toughness" but plenty of people assumed a first round BET loss to Providence and a season with no NCAA berth. Many people thought we underperformed our talent that season, which we did.
We definitely overperformed our talent in 2010, 2012, and 2013.
A Wojo team has never overperformed its talent.
Quote from: Badgerhater on March 23, 2019, 01:27:49 PM
A Wojo team has never overperformed its talent.
Not sure I'd agree with that. I'd argue we overperformed our talent last year. That was pretty much best case scenario.
But none of his teams have overperformed their talent AND provided meaningful results.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 23, 2019, 01:15:22 PM
Based on body of work, yes. Based on recency...no. MU should have received a 7 to 10 based on recency. Sagarin has Murray State 23rd in recency, which would have been a 5 seed. Again, why it sucks to be in the 5 hole because your opponent is either a team red hot, or a mid major who is damn damn good that no one talks about.
As that's not a metric, I'm not sure the point. Also, 23rd wouldn't be a 5, it would be a 6. And as their current streak (pre-MU) included exactly 1 top-100 win per Pomeroy or NET, hard to really justify them being as red hot as you infer.
Their last two games are impressive. Nothing else they did this season really was.
Excuses, excuses, ... , excuses and more excuses! When will the BS ever end?
Where's Murray St fall now cheeks? Still 16 or naaaah?
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 23, 2019, 06:26:45 PM
Where's Murray St fall now cheeks? Still 16 or naaaah?
No better than 17 because they won't be playing next week.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 23, 2019, 06:26:45 PM
Where's Murray St fall now cheeks? Still 16 or naaaah?
Losing, to the team I picked to go to the Final Four...Florida State.
Don't believe me, here's my bracket here on Scoop
http://fantasy.espn.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/2019/en/entry?entryID=28961990
It is not luck that certain coaches routinely have their team in the NCAA tourney and in a position to win tourney games. No one is demanding championships...but the ending to this year was disappointing to say the least.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 23, 2019, 06:49:42 PM
Losing, to the team I picked to go to the Final Four...Florida State.
Don't believe me, here's my bracket here on Scoop
http://fantasy.espn.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/2019/en/entry?entryID=28961990
So no?
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 23, 2019, 06:52:35 PM
So no?
Per ESPN ratings, please read the opening post in this thread, no. Not today at least. Not against FSU, which if you also read what I said, FSU will win because of their athletes and depth. Wear them out. Nothing surprising. If you read the first post in this thread, I said per ESPNs POV....the point was, they were no 12 seed, but that doesn't make them better than FSU either. Both can and are true.
Bad luck for Murray St eh? Based on a 30 point drubbing I'd say reeeaaally bad luck
Does this mean FSU would be up 50 on us
Quote from: Cheeks on March 23, 2019, 10:44:56 AM
Murray State, at least via ESPN eyes, goes to 16 and vaults teams seeded higher including Washington, Minnesota, Purdue, Oklahoma, Baylor, LSU (3 seed), Maryland, OSU, Iowa, Florida, UCF, Wofford and FSU.
They were definitely better than a 12 seed. Bad luck for us in the draw....not bad luck for us on the court, they were the better team by far. Better to get a 6, 7, or 8 than a 5 seed.
Meanwhile, Buzzard's opponent is 32nd, and last in the reseed.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26335371/reseeding-2019-ncaa-tournament-field-round-32
I wonder how they will be reseeded for the next round.
Oh. Wait... They got crushed at the hands of a great game plan.
Quote from: jonny09 on March 23, 2019, 07:01:10 PM
Does this mean FSU would be up 50 on us
LOL. Yes, the transitive property in sports is usually the correct answer.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on March 23, 2019, 07:03:16 PM
I wonder how they will be reserved for the next round.
Oh. Wait... They got crushed at the hands of a great game plan.
Yes, by a team that I think goes to the Final Four...indeed they did.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 23, 2019, 10:44:56 AM
Murray State, at least via ESPN eyes, goes to 16 and vaults teams seeded higher including Washington, Minnesota, Purdue, Oklahoma, Baylor, LSU (3 seed), Maryland, OSU, Iowa, Florida, UCF, Wofford and FSU.
They were definitely better than a 12 seed. Bad luck for us in the draw....not bad luck for us on the court, they were the better team by far. Better to get a 6, 7, or 8 than a 5 seed.
Meanwhile, Buzzard's opponent is 32nd, and last in the reseed.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26335371/reseeding-2019-ncaa-tournament-field-round-32
Turns out MSU struggles when they play a decent team with a decent gameplan.
Today's game just sours me on Wono even more. MSU is very beatable. Just need the right plan and the right coaching. Which we obvious lack.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 23, 2019, 07:13:27 PM
Turns out MSU struggles when they play a decent team with a decent gameplan.
Today's game just sours me on Wono even more. MSU is very beatable. Just need the right plan and the right coaching. Which we obvious lack.
Yeah, but Cheeks/Chico's had FSU going to the final four, as he said in a response to my post, so it explains everything. No fault on Wojo whatsoever, apparently.
Classic Chico's.
Murray St is exactly who we thought they were and Wojo made them look elite. Shame!
Quote from: Cheeks on March 23, 2019, 10:44:56 AM
Murray State, at least via ESPN eyes, goes to 16 and vaults teams seeded higher including Washington, Minnesota, Purdue, Oklahoma, Baylor, LSU (3 seed), Maryland, OSU, Iowa, Florida, UCF, Wofford and FSU.
They were definitely better than a 12 seed. Bad luck for us in the draw....not bad luck for us on the court, they were the better team by far. Better to get a 6, 7, or 8 than a 5 seed.
Meanwhile, Buzzard's opponent is 32nd, and last in the reseed.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26335371/reseeding-2019-ncaa-tournament-field-round-32
ESPN "eyes" - LOL. Murray St over FSU, FSU wins by 28. Villanova over Purdue, Purdue wins by 28. Not surprised they're your "experts" - great minds think alike.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 23, 2019, 01:15:22 PM
Based on body of work, yes. Based on recency...no. MU should have received a 7 to 10 based on recency. Sagarin has Murray State 23rd in recency, which would have been a 5 seed. Again, why it sucks to be in the 5 hole because your opponent is either a team red hot, or a mid major who is damn damn good that no one talks about.
1. The 23rd ranked team does not equate to a 5 seed. #1s are 1-4, #2s 5-8, #3s 9-12, #4s 13-16, #5s 17-20, #6s 20-24.
2. Ask Auburn how much it sucks to be a 5 seed. You can catch up with them in Minneapolis this coming weekend.