40-18 at the half.
We were always tanned, rested, and ready under the Bald Cowpoke. We expected Sweet 16s and were rarely disappointed.
Those days are gone.
Quote from: Jon on March 22, 2019, 10:35:46 PM
40-18 at the half.
We were always tanned, rested, and ready under the Bald Cowpoke. We expected Sweet 16s and were rarely disappointed.
Those days are gone.
Always? Uhm, no. I was in San Jose when we lost to Washington after having a huge lead.
Why wasn't Tech tanned, rested and ready last year or the year prior? Could it possibly be they are playing the 104th ranked team right now? Facts
Quote from: Jon on March 22, 2019, 10:35:46 PM
40-18 at the half.
We were always tanned, rested, and ready under the Bald Cowpoke. We expected Sweet 16s and were rarely disappointed.
Those days are gone.
Buzz wins...that's what he does. It is so sad what the admin at MU did to him...He was on the cusp of making MU Elite again. Now we have this steaming pile of mediocrity.
Buzz just riding that wave of good luck! Go Buzz go. Hold on to the reins of luck!
Quote from: muguru on March 22, 2019, 10:42:41 PM
Buzz wins...that's what he does. It is so sad what the admin at MU did to him...He was on the cusp of making MU Elite again. Now we have this steaming pile of mediocrity.
Except last year and the year prior, and the year prior and the year prior. And apparently his last year in the Big East, as the "professional" that he was, decided just to mail it in because "Buzz wins....that's what he does".
Buzz his last year in the Big East
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Quote from: Cheeks on March 22, 2019, 10:47:11 PM
Except last year and the year prior, and the year prior and the year prior. And apparently his last year in the Big East, as the "professional" that he was, decided just to mail it in because "Buzz wins....that's what he does".
Buzz his last year in the Big East
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/M6ijFnSLjlc/maxresdefault.jpg)
Way to single out one year Chicos...You da man...I can't say as I blame him given how he was being treated. F You Larry and father Pilrsz for ruining a great thing.
Oh, by the way, why didn't you mention the fact that he went to Elite 8's and Sweet 16's while at MU...?? That my friend is winning. 8 tournament wins at the 5 year mark...more than double any other MU Coach(TC had 4). Wojo has.....*crickets chirping* One hell of an impressive resume....NOT.
With all the talk of trajectory is there anyone who wouldn't trade Wojo's for Buzzard's?
Watching VT right now and they are fun to watch. Makes me think back to how great we were under Bert. Our teams back then played with fire in their bellies. They were ferocious. They were Warriors.
Quote from: Jon on March 22, 2019, 10:58:21 PM
With all the talk of trajectory is there anyone who wouldn't trade Wojo's for Buzzard's?
Watching VT right now and they are fun to watch. Makes me think back to how great we were under Bert. Our teams back then played with fire in their bellies. They were ferocious. They were Warriors.
I loved the character and identity of his teams. Every game broadcast they'd mention how we were tough as nails and everything had to be earned. Junkyard dogs. Not even sure what our identity is under Wojo. Wholesome?
Quote from: Jon on March 22, 2019, 10:58:21 PM
With all the talk of trajectory is there anyone who wouldn't trade Wojo's for Buzzard's?
Watching VT right now and they are fun to watch. Makes me think back to how great we were under Bert. Our teams back then played with fire in their bellies. They were ferocious. They were Warriors.
You sure Buzz's upcoming year or two will be that good?
You know what would really be humiliating...
Quote from: Jon on March 22, 2019, 10:58:21 PM
With all the talk of trajectory is there anyone who wouldn't trade Wojo's for Buzzard's?
Watching VT right now and they are fun to watch. Makes me think back to how great we were under Bert. Our teams back then played with fire in their bellies. They were ferocious. They were Warriors.
I miss those days...so much. But...this is where Chicos will chime in and cite the problems he caused MU blah blah blah. He won...and won a lot...Pretty sure that's the #1 job as a Coach. Bryce Drew just got crap canned after 3 years at Vandy..He had great kids, never got the program in trouble...but he didn't win...and guess what?? he lost his job.
Chico's problem with Buzz was simply a matter of complexion.
Quote from: Jon on March 22, 2019, 10:58:21 PM
With all the talk of trajectory is there anyone who wouldn't trade Wojo's for Buzzard's?
Watching VT right now and they are fun to watch. Makes me think back to how great we were under Bert. Our teams back then played with fire in their bellies. They were ferocious. They were Warriors.
Buzz is about to leave Tech for Texas A&M. VaTech will lose a good chunk of their roster and their incoming class is pretty pedestrian. I guess that game Sunday will be fun?
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 22, 2019, 11:02:46 PM
You know what would really be humiliating...
Was this rhetorical?
He gowne.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 22, 2019, 11:14:27 PM
Was this rhetorical?
When I posted that, SLU had a chance to cut it to single digits. But now have apparently forgotten how to make layups
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 22, 2019, 11:19:04 PM
When I posted that, SLU had a chance to cut it to single digits. But now have apparently forgotten how to make layups
Haha I gotcha. Yeah it ain't over yet
Quote from: Jon on March 22, 2019, 10:58:21 PM
With all the talk of trajectory is there anyone who wouldn't trade Wojo's for Buzzard's?
Watching VT right now and they are fun to watch. Makes me think back to how great we were under Bert. Our teams back then played with fire in their bellies. They were ferocious. They were Warriors.
Buzz did a helluva job with VT the past few years. I would trade his last five for Wojo's last five in a heartbeat.
That being said, I would bet a fair sum of money that Marquette will be better than VT next year. Buzz is ahead in the race but we'll see if Wojo catches him....it will especially sting if Buzz dumps VT right as they're about to go into a rebuild year.
Quote from: Mutaman on March 22, 2019, 11:06:54 PM
Chico's problem with Buzz was simply a matter of complexion.
No, I'm just not that into rape and stuff. He's a very good coach as I often said, it was the other crap.
But glad to see you played the race card....it's what you do.
Quote from: muguru on March 22, 2019, 10:51:05 PM
Way to single out one year Chicos...You da man...I can't say as I blame him given how he was being treated. F You Larry and father Pilrsz for ruining a great thing.
Oh, by the way, why didn't you mention the fact that he went to Elite 8's and Sweet 16's while at MU...?? That my friend is winning. 8 tournament wins at the 5 year mark...more than double any other MU Coach(TC had 4). Wojo has.....*crickets chirping* One hell of an impressive resume....NOT.
Very professional of him, sort of like bailing out on New Orleans. I didn't mention them because YOU said all he does is win. A few nanoseconds later showing how full of crap that statement was is the reply you got.
What happens when Buzz and WOJO offer the same recruit?
Does the BOT call an emergency meeting and withdraw the offer to the kid?
If BUZZ makes an offer then the kid must be flawed, of low I.Q., lacking character, immature.
Or, is WOJO turning into a BUZZ and its time to reign him in or let him go for a more pristine coach fitting for our high class image.
Maby Marquette could get into the Ivy League, I hear they are considering expanding to 12 teams. A low budget football program should not be too dificult to muster up.
High risk high reward, low risk low reward, its as simple as that.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 23, 2019, 03:20:48 AM
No, I'm just not that into rape and stuff. He's a very good coach as I often said, it was the other crap.
Hypocrite.
Buzz is extremely good at making lotsa money for himself. He wins and he wins in March when it counts. If Buzz were to be a free agent, the list of suitors would be endless. Can't say the same for our current coach who played his way out of a 2 or 3 seed and an easier 1st rd. match up. 1-6 record to close out the season should get ya fired, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 23, 2019, 07:00:44 AM
Buzz is extremely good at making lotsa money for himself. He wins and he wins in March when it counts. If Buzz were to be a free agent, the list of suitors would be endless. Can't say the same for our current coach who played his way out of a 2 or 3 seed and an easier 1st rd. match up. 1-6 record to close out the season should get ya fired, aina?
Would 2-6 be ok?
Quote from: vogue65 on March 23, 2019, 04:34:44 AM
What happens when Buzz and WOJO offer the same recruit?
Does the BOT call an emergency meeting and withdraw the offer to the kid?
If BUZZ makes an offer then the kid must be flawed, of low I.Q., lacking character, immature.
Or, is WOJO turning into a BUZZ and its time to reign him in or let him go for a more pristine coach fitting for our high class image.
Maby Marquette could get into the Ivy League, I hear they are considering expanding to 12 teams. A low budget football program should not be too dificult to muster up.
High risk high reward, low risk low reward, its as simple as that.
Already happened with Dexter Akanno
Quote from: muguru on March 22, 2019, 10:51:05 PM
Way to single out one year Chicos...You da man...I can't say as I blame him given how he was being treated. F You Larry and father Pilrsz for ruining a great thing.
Oh, by the way, why didn't you mention the fact that he went to Elite 8's and Sweet 16's while at MU...?? That my friend is winning. 8 tournament wins at the 5 year mark...more than double any other MU Coach(TC had 4). Wojo has.....*crickets chirping* One hell of an impressive resume....NOT.
There really is no doubt that Buzz is a better coach than Wojo. But he deserves a ton of the blame why he's no longer at MU. Remember that Larry and Pilarz were long gone when he left.
I don't think you fully grasp what the University wants here. Winning of course. But within certain boundaries. Buzz wasn't willing to do that.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 23, 2019, 04:34:44 AMHigh risk high reward, low risk low reward, its as simple as that.
In basketball recruiting? Yeah...no. That's not how it works.
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 22, 2019, 11:19:04 PM
When I posted that, SLU had a chance to cut it to single digits. But now have apparently forgotten how to make layups
Great game plan and prep by Buzz. His kids were ready to play. SLU's run has been fueled by slow starts and strong second halfs. And that was the case last night. But the achilles heel of their team has been knocking down shots and free throws. Strengths have been defense and rebounding. They made it a game.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 23, 2019, 03:20:48 AM
No, I'm just not that into rape and stuff. He's a very good coach as I often said, it was the other crap.
The real problem is that people just make accusations and it ruins people's lives. Where's the proof Cheekz?
Buzz is a great coach. Wojo isn't. I hope Wojo becomes one but we've given him...5 years. And he isn't. It's that simple.
Quote from: Jon on March 22, 2019, 10:58:21 PM
With all the talk of trajectory is there anyone who wouldn't trade Wojo's for Buzzard's?
Watching VT right now and they are fun to watch. Makes me think back to how great we were under Bert. Our teams back then played with fire in their bellies. They were ferocious. They were Warriors.
Not sure about fire in their bellies but they played like their hair was on fire, eh?
Five years in and Va Tech has accomplished more than us. Maybe you want to argue Buzz cuts corners? Let say for the sake of argument he does. Marquette's program should still be able to rise above Va Tech even with the corner cutting.
Next year better be really good to offset these past five.
Anyone that thinks Buzz is going experience any serious or long term setbacks with on court success is not being honest with themselves. Buzz will always retool and his 'down years" will likely look out season this year. He gets players, always gets players, and they play hard nosed ball.
My only disagreement to the Buzz backers, which I am as well, is I do not think he is a basketball genius. He is not vastly better to Wojo as a game coach, but in every other area is vastly superior. Buzz recruits and motivates like his kids dinner is on the line. There lies the genius of Buzz.
Buzz has done a great job at VT in a very competitive ACC Conference. He did this without his second best player from two years ago, Chris Clarke, who was kicked off the team for reasons still unknown, so some discipline was in place. I don't recall any other player incidents or problems during his tenure at VT. It is highly probable that VT will beat Liberty and move on to the Sweet Sixteen, quite an accomplishment for VT.
But things will not be as great next year. If Blackshear enters the draft, VT will lose it's entire starting five. I fully expect Buzz to leave VT for Texas A&M, then wait for the Shaka dismissal in a few years.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 23, 2019, 07:00:44 AM
Buzz is extremely good at making lotsa money for himself. He wins and he wins in March when it counts. If Buzz were to be a free agent, the list of suitors would be endless. Can't say the same for our current coach who played his way out of a 2 or 3 seed and an easier 1st rd. match up. 1-6 record to close out the season should get ya fired, aina?
Wojo is milk toast and that is what administration wants. Clean cut, no nonsense and does not bring any drama to the program. The current admin likely would not employ Al the way he behaved. Different era today. Wojo is winning enough to keep his job. We are all disappointed with his post season record. Let's see what happens in the offseason. If we finish year six and still flame out in the post season I probably would advocate a serious evaluation of the coaching situation.
Quote from: Babybluejeans on March 23, 2019, 08:38:53 AM
The real problem is that people just make accusations and it ruins people's lives. Where's the proof Cheekz?
Buzz is a great coach. Wojo isn't. I hope Wojo becomes one but we've given him...5 years. And he isn't. It's that simple.
Buzz is a great coach. Wojo isn't yet. In terms of accusations....check the settlements which don't happen just cuz.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 23, 2019, 04:34:44 AM
What happens when Buzz and WOJO offer the same recruit?
Does the BOT call an emergency meeting and withdraw the offer to the kid?
If BUZZ makes an offer then the kid must be flawed, of low I.Q., lacking character, immature.
Or, is WOJO turning into a BUZZ and its time to reign him in or let him go for a more pristine coach fitting for our high class image.
Maby Marquette could get into the Ivy League, I hear they are considering expanding to 12 teams. A low budget football program should not be too dificult to muster up.
High risk high reward, low risk low reward, its as simple as that.
Wojo just beat out Buzz for the same recruit. Good try Vogue, another swing and miss.
Quote from: muguru on March 22, 2019, 10:51:05 PM
F You Larry and father Pilrsz for ruining a great thing.
Over in the other post you guys bash me over my old handle, pointing out the abhorrent behavior of Majerus.
Out comes the Victorian age outrage and the smelling salts.
Meanwhile guru is considered a paragon around here even though he said this about a man that devoted his life to god and education (and poetry). All because a basketball coach left.
Why isn't guru sent on a holiday for this? What an absolutely terrible thing to say about a man of the cloth.
Towel
Not you guys, it was me that pointed out your disrespect for Rick. It was not bashing, it was a respectful post stating I found your handle as offensive.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on March 23, 2019, 10:19:38 AM
Over in the other post you guys bash me over my old handle, pointing out the abhorrent behavior of Majerus.
Out comes the Victorian age outrage and the smelling salts.
Meanwhile guru is considered a paragon around here even though he said this about a man that devoted his life to god and education (and poetry). All because a basketball coach left.
Why isn't guru sent on a holiday for this? What an absolutely terrible thing to say about a man of the cloth.
You might want to check your facts
Quote from: Goose on March 23, 2019, 10:22:25 AM
Towel
Not you guys, it was me that pointed out your disrespect for Rick. It was not bashing, it was a respectful post stating I found your handle as offensive.
And I now find guru's existence offensive for this awful remark ... supposedly from someone that got a Jesuit education.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 23, 2019, 10:24:02 AM
You might want to check your facts
You defending this language directed at a priest because you were dissatisfied with a basketball record?
Towel
No one cares what you find to be offensive.
Quote from: Goose on March 23, 2019, 10:28:47 AM
Towel
No one cares what you find to be offensive.
You ok with this too. What Pilar's was not nice to you last century so you have nothing hate for him?
Quote from: Cheeks on March 23, 2019, 09:51:36 AM
Buzz is a great coach. Wojo isn't yet. In terms of accusations....check the settlements which don't happen just cuz.
Settlements are a poor indication of truth, particularly in this situation.
Towel
I have no idea what you are ranting about, nor do I care. Unlike you, I only post on topics that I am knowledgeable on. Again, I could not care less about anything you say, think or believe in.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on March 23, 2019, 10:28:18 AM
You defending this language directed at a priest because you were dissatisfied with a basketball record?
I am questioning the merit of your insight to the entire situation. You are off the rails.
So, like, you guys know Buzz chose to leave, right? Nobody forced him out. Nobody told him to leave. Nobody fired him.
Hell, both of his so-called nemeses were out the door. Whatever power struggle there was, he'd won ... a fact conveniently ignored by the "they messed with Buzz's happy" crowd.
He got what he wanted and then left because he wanted to leave.
Some of you are like dumped boyfriends still pining for the one who got away while making excuses for the fact she kicked you to the curb to hook up with another guy.
Ger. Over. It
Quote from: Cheeks on March 23, 2019, 09:51:36 AM
Buzz is a great coach. Wojo isn't yet. In terms of accusations....check the settlements which don't happen just cuz.
Good point. The NFL's settlement with Kap means the league colluded.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on March 23, 2019, 10:24:11 AM
And I now find guru's existence offensive for this awful remark ... supposedly from someone that got a Jesuit education.
Gurus stated before he did not go to MU so the whole "got a Jesuit education" thing is out the window depending his high school
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on March 23, 2019, 10:30:29 AM
You ok with this too. What Pilar's was not nice to you last century so you have nothing hate for him?
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I am just going to say this: there is some ugliness with Scotty that hasn't been made public. Man of the cloth...
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2019, 10:48:41 AMSo, like, you guys know Buzz chose to leave, right? Nobody forced him out. Nobody told him to leave. Nobody fired him.
Relatively speaking. He left, but no one from Marquette was standing in his way. Sort of like "I'm leaving" and admin said "great, can we get the door for you?"
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 23, 2019, 11:25:01 AM
Relatively speaking. He left, but no one from Marquette was standing in his way. Sort of like "I'm leaving" and admin said "great, can we get the door for you?"
They gave him a shot to be a head coach at a major program when almost nobody thought he deserved it (including
many, many people here); gave him a raise virtually every time he publicly batted his eyes at another program; publicly stood by him through the assault accusations and other off-court issues; allowed him to bring in players who wouldn't have been admitted under prior administrations; ousted the AD with whom he clashed; ousted the president who tried to rein him in; and brought back the
AD and president who hired him.
And
he still wasn't happy and said he was leaving. What more do you want the administration to do at that point? Give more money and power to a guy who'd just sleepwalked through the previous season? Hand him the keys to Marquette Hall and the Gesu? Beyond it being a really dumb idea, what would that say about the priorities of Marquette University? Hey, this guy made it all the way to one Elite Eight (where Jim Boeheim promptly tore him a new one) ... let's make him the most powerful person on campus?
I have no problem with Buzz choosing to leave (the things he said - and leaked - on the way out are another matter). If he wasn't happy and thought he'd be happier elsewhere, fine. Go.
The narrative that Buzz was pushed out the door is horsesh*t and people ought to stop telling it because they'd rather not believe their guy dumped them for what he thought was a prettier girl.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2019, 01:04:34 PM
They gave him a shot to be a head coach at a major program when almost nobody thought he deserved it (including many, many people here); gave him a raise virtually every time he publicly batted his eyes at another program; publicly stood by him through the assault accusations and other off-court issues; allowed him to bring in players who wouldn't have been admitted under prior administrations; ousted the AD with whom he clashed; ousted the president who tried to rein him in; and brought back the AD and president who hired him.
And he still wasn't happy and said he was leaving. What more do you want the administration to do at that point? Give more money and power to a guy who'd just sleepwalked through the previous season? Hand him the keys to Marquette Hall and the Gesu? Beyond it being a really dumb idea, what would that say about the priorities of Marquette University? Hey, this guy made it all the way to one Elite Eight (where Jim Boeheim promptly tore him a new one) ... let's make him the most powerful person on campus?
I have no problem with Buzz choosing to leave (the things he said - and leaked - on the way out are another matter). But if he wasn't happy and thought he'd be happier elsewhere, fine. Go.
The narrative that Buzz was pushed out the door is horsesh*t and people ought to stop telling it because they'd rather not believe their guy dumped them for what he thought was a prettier girl.
One nitpick. Cords didn't hire Buzz as head coach. Cottingham did.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 23, 2019, 01:18:06 PM
One nitpick. Cords didn't hire Buzz as head coach. Cottingham did.
You're correct, of course. Fixed.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2019, 01:04:34 PMWhat more do you want the administration to do at that point? Give more money and power to a guy who'd just sleepwalked through the previous season?
Nothing. I'm not complaining. I'm just saying that while he left, Marquette was totally fine with him leaving.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 23, 2019, 07:00:44 AM
Buzz is extremely good at making lotsa money for himself. He wins and he wins in March when it counts. If Buzz were to be a free agent, the list of suitors would be endless. Can't say the same for our current coach who played his way out of a 2 or 3 seed and an easier 1st rd. match up. 1-6 record to close out the season should get ya fired, aina?
Buzz wins in March? Are you not including the last 5 years?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2019, 10:48:41 AM
So, like, you guys know Buzz chose to leave, right? Nobody forced him out. Nobody told him to leave. Nobody fired him.
And the beauty for Buzzard is that he left, still got to roam the sidelines with the title of MU coach and get paid millions of dollars while acting as the MU coach, even though he didn't do a damn bit of coaching his final year, then a year later officially left. The double leave....what a pro.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 23, 2019, 09:53:17 AM
Wojo just beat out Buzz for the same recruit. Good try Vogue, another swing and miss.
Not to be a Buzz Kill, but please, Buzz is gone. Why we still obsessing?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 23, 2019, 01:39:42 PM
Not to be a Buzz Kill, but please, Buzz is gone. Why we still obsessing?
Because things were looking really good----then turned REALLY bad.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 23, 2019, 01:39:42 PM
Not to be a Buzz Kill, but please, Buzz is gone. Why we still obsessing?
Our coach kind of stinks, so why wouldn't we swim in memories of those halcyon days? People may have pooped on Crean (appropriately I think), but no one pined for him after he left - because we were gifted a better coach. Different story this time. Alas.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 23, 2019, 01:39:42 PM
Not to be a Buzz Kill, but please, Buzz is gone. Why we still obsessing?
Shouldn't we at least be rid of the obsessing over Tom Crean first?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2019, 02:01:22 PM
Shouldn't we at least be rid of the obsessing over Tom Crean first?
Who? The Antarctic explorer?
Quote from: connie on March 23, 2019, 01:43:36 PM
Because things were looking really good----then turned REALLY bad.
They turned bad while he was still at MU, in terms of record and performance. Off the court and in the classroom it was only getting worse
Quote from: vogue65 on March 23, 2019, 04:34:44 AM
What happens when Buzz and WOJO offer the same recruit?
Does the BOT call an emergency meeting and withdraw the offer to the kid?
If BUZZ makes an offer then the kid must be flawed, of low I.Q., lacking character, immature.
Or, is WOJO turning into a BUZZ and its time to reign him in or let him go for a more pristine coach fitting for our high class image.
Maby Marquette could get into the Ivy League, I hear they are considering expanding to 12 teams. A low budget football program should not be too dificult to muster up.
High risk high reward, low risk low reward, its as simple as that.
Was Dexter that Recruit?
Quote from: Babybluejeans on March 23, 2019, 01:47:35 PM
Our coach kind of stinks, so why wouldn't we swim in memories of those halcyon days? People may have pooped on Crean (appropriately I think), but no one pined for him after he left - because we were gifted a better coach. Different story this time. Alas.
For being one of the biggest SJWs on this board, it's amazing you tolerated the winning of Buzz with the other stuff going on.... interesting.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 23, 2019, 01:37:21 PM
?? You quoted me, but nothing. If you were asking me whom, I will gladly tell you.
Dexter Akanno was offered by MU and Va Tech, he chose MU and will be on the club next year.
Quote from: Babybluejeans on March 23, 2019, 01:47:35 PM
Our coach kind of stinks, so why wouldn't we swim in memories of those halcyon days? People may have pooped on Crean (appropriately I think), but no one pined for him after he left - because we were gifted a better coach. Different story this time. Alas.
Imagine how smug some people would be if after five years in Blacksburg all Buzz had to show for it were two first round blowouts.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 23, 2019, 02:34:15 PM
They turned bad while he was still at MU, in terms of record and performance. Off the court and in the classroom it was only getting worse
We are obsessing over the past because of the way this season ended, not 2013/14. To be fair, had we won a few more games there would still be those pining for the past, but I responded because I'm still scratching my head about how this year went off the rails so far and so fast.
Quote from: Jon on March 23, 2019, 11:20:05 AM
I am just going to say this: there is some ugliness with Scotty that hasn't been made public. Man of the cloth...
Are we all just going to ignore this?
Quote from: connie on March 23, 2019, 03:17:07 PM
I'm still scratching my head about how this year went off the rails so far and so fast.
That's fair. And I think the answer is mostly "Markus" - but mostly because *I believe* he was not 100%, and Wojo didn't have a good backup PG plan (Chartouny didn't pan out).
Jams,
I gotta call you on it: You said that it takes 5 years to judge a coach's body of work.
5 years in and Wojo has not delivered any results the Marquette Faithful have every right to expect.
So, is it really the "6 Year Rule" or "Add a Year to The 5 Year Rule Because It Really Isn't The 5 Year Rule?"
Quote from: Bocephys on March 23, 2019, 03:36:48 PM
Are we all just going to ignore this?
Yes, has nothing to do with Buzz and basketball whatsoever.
Quote from: Bocephys on March 23, 2019, 03:36:48 PM
Are we all just going to ignore this?
I ignore most of what Jon says.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 23, 2019, 03:51:07 PM
I ignore most of what Jon says.
Most folks find you both ill-informed and rather pedestrian in your breadth of knowledge.
Quote from: Jon on March 23, 2019, 03:52:57 PM
Most folks find you both ill-informed and rather pedestrian in your breadth of knowledge.
Fortunately for me I don't live and die by what anonymous posters on MUScoop think of my breadth of knowledge. So not a problem by me.
Buzz is a good coach, had prior experience as a head coach, can recruit esp in the ACC and is at home in the south.
Wojo-? coach, rookie head coach, has had some good recruits and ? at home in the mid-West/BigEast conf.
Added up, that's 4+'s for Buzz, 1.5+ for Wojo
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 23, 2019, 03:37:29 PM
That's fair. And I think the answer is mostly "Markus" - but mostly because *I believe* he was not 100%, and Wojo didn't have a good backup PG plan (Chartouny didn't pan out).
Yeah, nothing else I can think of makes sense. Very disappointing that no one else could step up.
Quote from: AlienWarrior on March 23, 2019, 04:00:04 PM
Buzz...is at home in the south.
I wouldn't say that in the Republic of Texas because it ain't the South
Quote from: Jon on March 23, 2019, 09:02:17 PM
I wouldn't say that in the Republic of Texas because it ain't the South
Jon speaks the truth
Buzz just took a program to the sweet 16 that was far worse than the one he left at MU 5 years ago......
Quote from: jutaw22mu on March 24, 2019, 08:57:38 PM
Buzz just took a program to the sweet 16 that was far worse than the one he left at MU 5 years ago......
Congrats to Bazz.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 24, 2019, 08:58:38 PM
Congrats to Bazz.
MU has two ex-coaches who are now S16 head coaches.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 24, 2019, 08:59:36 PM
MU has two ex-coaches who are now S16 head coaches.
Hmm...what about Al and Rick. Yeah, you are a short lifer.
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 24, 2019, 09:02:07 PM
Hmm...what about Al and Rick. Yeah, you are a short lifer.
We are talking 2019, sir. Benford and Williams. Short-term memory an issue?
Happy for Tony Benford. He was a great guy who has put in the hard work.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 24, 2019, 09:04:21 PM
We are talking 2019, sir. Benford and Williams. Short-term memory an issue?
Was trying to remember yesterday when they were interviewing him (didn't even realize he was taking over for Wade until yesterday), didn't he have a low major head coaching job? Maybe North Texas?
Quote from: wadesworld on March 24, 2019, 09:14:23 PM
Was trying to remember yesterday when they were interviewing him (didn't even realize he was taking over for Wade until yesterday), didn't he have a low major head coaching job? Maybe North Texas?
Yes and bombed. A great assistant, though.
Go Buzz- Beat Duke!
Quote from: wadesworld on March 23, 2019, 03:55:01 PM
Fortunately for me I don't live and die by what anonymous posters on MUScoop think of my breadth of knowledge. So not a problem by me.
"Who cares"
I'm trying to remember if I've ever read a Scooper claim that Buzz isn't a better coach than Wojo.
Maybe I have. I just don't remember it. So I'm not sure what the idea of this thread was.
Buzz did a great job at Marquette. I was glad he was our coach. Had many, many, many very enjoyable moments watching his Warrior teams.
I wish him no ill will at VaTech and look forward to their game against the Dookies. Should be a good one.
I'm one of the stupid Scoopers who even appreciates what Crean did for our program, too.
And I like Wojo.
I like seeing Buzz do well with VT. A little bittersweet. Ahmed Hill turned into quite the guard.
Quote from: Markusquette on March 24, 2019, 11:12:28 PM
I like seeing Buzz do well with VT. A little bittersweet. Ahmed Hill turned into quite the guard.
Can't believe he's still playing. Mariol shayok as well (now done though). Couple of MU commits that turned out to be pretty good players.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on March 24, 2019, 08:57:38 PM
Buzz just took a program to the sweet 16 that was far worse than the one he left at MU 5 years ago......
Exactly.
There is nothing more condemning than VA Tech in the Sweet 16 while we suffered a humiliating One and Done loss to a mid major.
Buzzard is a weird f#ck but the man wins. And last I checked, the Marquette brand has always been Renegade. Buzz was a natural standard barrier for a program that always defined its own path with a Damn the Torpedoes mentality.
Instead, the face of MBB is an unsophisticated, bland, not particularly bright guy who is afraid to make an actual statement about anything. How many times have we seen him on the sidelines flashing that "Dan Quayle in the Headlights look of confusion?"
Enough. Dear God correct this mistake.
Quote from: Jon on March 25, 2019, 04:34:18 AM
Exactly.
There is nothing more condemning than VA Tech in the Sweet 16 while we suffered a humiliating One and Done loss to a mid major.
Buzzard is a weird f#ck but the man wins. And last I checked, the Marquette brand has always been Renegade. Buzz was a natural standard barrier for a program that always defined its own path with a Damn the Torpedoes mentality.
Instead, the face of MBB is an unsophisticated, bland, not particularly bright guy who is afraid to make an actual statement about anything. How many times have we seen him on the sidelines flashing that "Dan Quayle in the Headlights look of confusion?"
Enough. Dear God correct this mistake.
You're acting like Marquette made a binary choice between Buzz and Wojo.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 25, 2019, 04:42:51 AM
You're acting like Marquette made a binary choice between Buzz and Wojo.
A couple of us know for a fact that Wojo was seen as a refreshing counterpoint to Buzz' schtick and that was a crucial factor in his hire.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 25, 2019, 04:42:51 AM
You're acting like Marquette made a binary choice between Buzz and Wojo.
Not acting like, they did.
A choice about style, image, admission policy, basketball philosophy etc..
I don't know if "binary choice" is the correct use of the term, but as it turned out, Buzz and Wojo are extreme opposites.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 25, 2019, 04:56:37 AM
Buzz and Wojo are extreme opposites.
Yea, Buzz is playing in the second weekend again while Wojo not only failed to win but thoroughly humiliated in the Opening Round by a mid major of rather slender accomplishment.
And if there was any doubt that mid major got smoked by 30 two nights later.
Buzz and Wojo extreme opposites? No sh1t.
Quote from: Jon on March 25, 2019, 04:51:38 AM
A couple of us know for a fact that Wojo was seen as a refreshing counterpoint to Buzz' schtick and that was a crucial factor in his hire.
But that really has nothing to do with his coaching ability. Coaches can win with all sorts of personalities.
Buzz is a better coach no doubt. No one disputes this. But Buzz left on his own.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 25, 2019, 06:38:57 AM
But that really has nothing to do with his coaching ability. Coaches can win with all sorts of personalities.
Buzz is a better coach no doubt. No one disputes this. But Buzz left on his own.
If you need to believe that I understand.
When someone is persona non grata, it's time to leave.
Loking back on my career I see a few times when I should have left, but my mind set was to never be a quitter, what horse s$$t. Losers stay with losers.
We've talked ad nauseum in this thread about the Buzz part of "Meanwhile Buzz is humiliating SLU," but what about the SLU part?
If SLU isn't careful, they could turn into the next Marquette. Talk about the ApocaSLUypse for that proud basketball institution!!!
Quote from: MU82 on March 25, 2019, 07:48:37 AM
We've talked ad nauseum in this thread about the Buzz part of "Meanwhile Buzz is humiliating SLU," but what about the SLU part?
If SLU isn't careful, they could turn into the next Marquette. Talk about the ApocaSLUypse for that proud basketball institution!!!
I agree, the landscape is littered with formerly great basketball traditions. Buzz is proving that basketball traditions are higly overrated. VaTec has not been in the final 16 since 1968 or something, amazing.
Good for Buzz. I loved the bit in the Liberty game broadcast where they were talking about the Liberty coach singing the praises of Buzz, all he does for other coaches, all he does for the community. I cannot lie, I smirked a little bit. A good coach. Sadly, the relationship between him and the powers that be had reached the point that it was time to go. It happens in many places and in many professions.
Buzz was the true spiritual successor to Al.
Wojo is the spiritual successor to Crean.
Crean had a longer leash because he was replacing Deane, a secondary nadir in the storied history of MU basketball. Plus, he caught lightning in a bottle with Wade and the final 4 and that meant that the MU world was willing to tolerate only one other NCAA tourney win in his 8 years, NIT bids due to injuries, etc.
Wojo game coaches a lot like Crean. But he is replacing Buzz, who had gone S-16, S-16, E-8. Expectations are raised and the fanbase, having so recently tasted what it is like to be on the cusp of something special, are not nearly as patient with Wojo as they were with Crean. Wojo came in after one bad year, not the sense of malaise that was setting in under Deane. And he has not caught lightning in a bottle. So the pitchforks are being sharpened sooner.
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2019, 08:27:16 AM
Good for Buzz. I loved the bit in the Liberty game broadcast where they were talking about the Liberty coach singing the praises of Buzz, all he does for other coaches, all he does for the community. I cannot lie, I smirked a little bit. A good coach. Sadly, the relationship between him and the powers that be had reached the point that it was time to go. It happens in many places and in many professions.
Buzz was the true spiritual successor to Al.
Wojo is the spiritual successor to Crean.
Crean had a longer leash because he was replacing Deane, a secondary nadir in the storied history of MU basketball. Plus, he caught lightning in a bottle with Wade and the final 4 and that meant that the MU world was willing to tolerate only one other NCAA tourney win in his 8 years, NIT bids due to injuries, etc.
Wojo game coaches a lot like Crean. But he is replacing Buzz, who had gone S-16, S-16, E-8. Expectations are raised and the fanbase, having so recently tasted what it is like to be on the cusp of something special, are not nearly as patient with Wojo as they were with Crean. Wojo came in after one bad year, not the sense of malaise that was setting in under Deane. And he has not caught lightning in a bottle. So the pitchforks are being sharpened sooner.
Superb analysis.
I wish we were winning more, too.
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2019, 08:27:16 AM
Good for Buzz. I loved the bit in the Liberty game broadcast where they were talking about the Liberty coach singing the praises of Buzz, all he does for other coaches, all he does for the community. I cannot lie, I smirked a little bit. A good coach. Sadly, the relationship between him and the powers that be had reached the point that it was time to go. It happens in many places and in many professions.
Buzz was the true spiritual successor to Al.
Wojo is the spiritual successor to Crean.
Crean had a longer leash because he was replacing Deane, a secondary nadir in the storied history of MU basketball. Plus, he caught lightning in a bottle with Wade and the final 4 and that meant that the MU world was willing to tolerate only one other NCAA tourney win in his 8 years, NIT bids due to injuries, etc.
Wojo game coaches a lot like Crean. But he is replacing Buzz, who had gone S-16, S-16, E-8. Expectations are raised and the fanbase, having so recently tasted what it is like to be on the cusp of something special, are not nearly as patient with Wojo as they were with Crean. Wojo came in after one bad year, not the sense of malaise that was setting in under Deane. And he has not caught lightning in a bottle. So the pitchforks are being sharpened sooner.
His only saving grace is that he recruits better than Crean.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 25, 2019, 10:19:26 AM
His only saving grace is that he recruits better than Crean.
Does he though?
Also, he has many advantages recruiting that Crean did not have, specifically the Al, and the Big East, and to a lesser extent, the attendance and atmosphere at games, the new arena and every game televised nationally. And yet, Crean produced multiple NBA players in Wade, Travis, Wes and Novak (and, Jerel, I guess, if he hadn't smoked his opportunities away).
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 25, 2019, 12:17:13 PM
Does he though?
Also, he has many advantages recruiting that Crean did not have, specifically the Al, and the Big East, and to a lesser extent, the attendance and atmosphere at games, the new arena and every game televised nationally. And yet, Crean produced multiple NBA players in Wade, Travis, Wes and Novak (and, Jerel, I guess, if he hadn't smoked his opportunities away).
Jerel is just another in a long list of really good 6'2 college shooting guards who came to learn there is no spot in the NBA for a 6'2 shooting guard.
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2019, 12:27:32 PM
Jerel is just another in a long list of really good 6'2 college shooting guards who came to learn there is no spot in the NBA for a 6'2 shooting guard.
He did get 6 games in the NBA. He may have gotten more if he hadn't tested positive when trying out with Charlotte pre-draft.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 25, 2019, 01:17:34 PM
He did get 6 games in the NBA. He may have gotten more if he hadn't tested positive when trying out with Charlotte pre-draft.
Of all the things that the NBA cares about when allocating roster spaces and playing time, this one is very low on the list.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 25, 2019, 01:21:00 PM
Of all the things that the NBA cares about when allocating roster spaces and playing time, this one is very low on the list.
Not during the draft evaluation process when you're looking for a 13-15th man on the bench. If we're talking a guy who's going to get significant playing time then sure, you ignore it, but not for an end of the bench guy. The same thing happened with Amal after his rookie season in Orlando.
It comes down to judgment. If you have interchangeable individuals for the last spot do you take the guy who smokes up during what is essentially a job interview, especially knowing a drug test is likely coming? I'm all about decriminalizing weed but again, this was about judgment on the part of Jerel.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 25, 2019, 01:27:17 PM
Not during the draft evaluation process when you're looking for a 13-15th man on the bench. If we're talking a guy who's going to get significant playing time then sure, you ignore it, but not for an end of the bench guy. The same thing happened with Amal after his rookie season in Orlando.
It comes down to judgment. If you have interchangeable individuals for the last spot do you take the guy who smokes up during what is essentially a job interview, especially knowing a drug test is likely coming? I'm all about decriminalizing weed but again, this was about judgment on the part of Jerel.
Nah.
The NBA cares about players using weed about as much as the NFL cares about players using painkillers.
Wonder if the VaTech boards will still be talking about Buzz five years from now
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2019, 01:31:57 PM
Wonder if the VaTech boards will still be talking about Buzz five years from now
Yes, but probably not kindly. And, a lot will depend on who replaces him. And, if football surges but basketball falls off, will anybody care?
Quote from: #UnleashCain on March 24, 2019, 10:36:18 PM
"Who cares"
I remember the first time I used those words.
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2019, 08:27:16 AM
Good for Buzz. I loved the bit in the Liberty game broadcast where they were talking about the Liberty coach singing the praises of Buzz, all he does for other coaches, all he does for the community. I cannot lie, I smirked a little bit. A good coach. Sadly, the relationship between him and the powers that be had reached the point that it was time to go. It happens in many places and in many professions.
Buzz was the true spiritual successor to Al.
Wojo is the spiritual successor to Crean.
Crean had a longer leash because he was replacing Deane, a secondary nadir in the storied history of MU basketball. Plus, he caught lightning in a bottle with Wade and the final 4 and that meant that the MU world was willing to tolerate only one other NCAA tourney win in his 8 years, NIT bids due to injuries, etc.
Wojo game coaches a lot like Crean. But he is replacing Buzz, who had gone S-16, S-16, E-8. Expectations are raised and the fanbase, having so recently tasted what it is like to be on the cusp of something special, are not nearly as patient with Wojo as they were with Crean. Wojo came in after one bad year, not the sense of malaise that was setting in under Deane. And he has not caught lightning in a bottle. So the pitchforks are being sharpened sooner.
Like this analysis, but uncertain of the quoted statement. Crean always struck me as the car salesman that you knew was going to be pushy, but tolerated because you only had to deal with him for a little while. We were all excited at first because we were getting a new car that we desperately needed, and he was quick to point out all the cool new features. As time went on it just became annoying and you started to focus on the nothing that was really there. With Wojo, (and this may be unfair because I am not as close a follower of the program as I used to be) I just get the nothing. I don't have a feel for him at all. He's not even vanilla enough to be vanilla. So I am curious as to why you think he's Clappy's spiritual successor.
From a game coaching perspective. A lack of in game adjustment perspective. And, to a lesser degree, a roster creating perspective.
Although, an argument can be made they are somewhat related.
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2019, 08:27:16 AMWojo came in after one bad year, not the sense of malaise that was setting in under Deane.
The sense of malaise could be back. I don't see MU getting rid of Wojo anytime soon. It is all on him now to show he has learned over the last several years and can take this to the next level. If not, malaise could be back in vogue.
Quote from: SERocks on March 25, 2019, 05:06:42 PM
The sense of malaise could be back. I don't see MU getting rid of Wojo anytime soon. It is all on him now to show he has learned over the last several years and can take this to the next level. If not, malaise could be back in vogue.
A question for Mr. Nielsen is what is the turnout for the young alumni tickets? Between student turnout at games and what I hear talking to students, a bit of apathy is settling in. I was there at the start of the Buzz era and my friends and I are pretty engaged. However, even amongst our group, there is a lot of frustration.
From an engagement perspective, I worry the Wojo era is losing some of the future season ticket base.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 25, 2019, 07:48:21 AM
If you need to believe that I understand.
When someone is persona non grata, it's time to leave.
Loking back on my career I see a few times when I should have left, but my mind set was to never be a quitter, what horse s$$t. Losers stay with losers.
Preach it. So true.
Not sure I would call Wojo a "loser," but the word "average" comes to mind. If Marquette wants an average program, then Wojo is the guy.
That really is the question, what do Marquette and the BOT want?
Quote from: nyg on March 23, 2019, 09:15:27 AM
Buzz has done a great job at VT in a very competitive ACC Conference. He did this without his second best player from two years ago, Chris Clarke, who was kicked off the team for reasons still unknown, so some discipline was in place. I don't recall any other player incidents or problems during his tenure at VT. It is highly probable that VT will beat Liberty and move on to the Sweet Sixteen, quite an accomplishment for VT.
But things will not be as great next year. If Blackshear enters the draft, VT will lose it's entire starting five. I fully expect Buzz to leave VT for Texas A&M, then wait for the Shaka dismissal in a few years.
The Atlantic Coast Conference Conference is always great eh? :P
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 25, 2019, 06:23:22 PM
A question for Mr. Nielsen is what is the turnout for the young alumni tickets? Between student turnout at games and what I hear talking to students, a bit of apathy is settling in. I was there at the start of the Buzz era and my friends and I are pretty engaged. However, even amongst our group, there is a lot of frustration.
From an engagement perspective, I worry the Wojo era is losing some of the future season ticket base.
how much is apathy, how much is more alumni moving away and how much is young alumni being burdened with debt and choosing not to buy tickets?
In the previous two seasons (Before Zion), Duke was having trouble filling the Cameron Crazies section.
https://balldurham.com/2017/01/19/student-attendance-dropping-duke-mens-basketball-games/
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 25, 2019, 07:34:50 PM
how much is apathy, how much is more alumni moving away and how much is young alumni being burdened with debt and choosing not to buy tickets?
In the previous two seasons (Before Zion), Duke was having trouble filling the Cameron Crazies section.
https://balldurham.com/2017/01/19/student-attendance-dropping-duke-mens-basketball-games/
Wojo's fault.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 25, 2019, 06:23:22 PM
A question for Mr. Nielsen is what is the turnout for the young alumni tickets? Between student turnout at games and what I hear talking to students, a bit of apathy is settling in. I was there at the start of the Buzz era and my friends and I are pretty engaged. However, even amongst our group, there is a lot of frustration.
From an engagement perspective, I worry the Wojo era is losing some of the future season ticket base.
The 5 year young student alumni section was sold out. Not sure what the turnout was. That section look mostly filled most games. Many people I have learned who have upper deck seats at the lower cost, don't even sit in their seats at Fiserv Forum because of the Panorama Club and such.
As for the student section, weekends are a event to go to the games. School nights, many say they have a class until 6:45 or 7:30 and just don't want to go. Or need to study for an exam. It just depends who you ask.